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My Eyes Have Seen The Glory - What Next?
« on: August 21, 2005, 08:14:10 PM »
I think in a way we all knew our lives had changed in just a small way on May 25th 2005.  Some people, they might have been around a while, they might have seen it all, 77,78,81,84…some might even have seen the bulk of our 18 championships during their lifetime of supporting the club that these days I call my religion.  They could have seen those greats, Barnes, Rush, Dalglish.  Some might even remember the days of A-L-B…-E-R-T…Albert Stubbins.

But I wasn’t one of them.  All I ever was until that night was a young 15 year old, forced, sometimes unbelievably, to sit through stories and stories of our glorious history.  Yeah, I loved it.  Always have done.  But for whatever reason part of me just wanted to live all the glory of those years…and for one night I just wanted to remember those heroes, and create some of my generation.  I wanted to stand together with those supporters of yesteryear I knew, and I wanted to say ‘I remember a night of our glorious history’.  I remember the night when the players I idolised became heroes.  And it wasn’t long ago I never thought it could happen.

For many years I was still on the sidelines.  Sure, we had some good times, the 2001 season, those glorious Anfield nights like Roma…but there was still something missing.    I couldn’t say the players I watched were legends.  I couldn’t say they compared to the likes of Rush and Dalglish.  And most of all, I still couldn’t tell you I saw the night they became Anfield legends.  Alright, I enjoyed every cup run, every glorious game, but where was it leading?  Were Liverpool FC, the greatest team of all, ever going to come back to their glorious history, the likes of which corrupted oil billionaires couldn’t buy, no matter how hard they tried?  Or were we just reduced to Europe’s lesser competition?  Dortmund was great, and you won’t find many say otherwise, but the thing is…I just couldn’t see where the players were going to be immortalized.

I’d watched Evans’ team self-destruct, despite being perhaps the most talented group of young players I ever saw play.  They aimed for the moon, but they were shot down.  And last year, it appeared the same had happened to Houllier’s treble winners…the ones who had made me believe again.  They had failed in THEIR shot at immortality.  Where next?

I don’t believe I’ve ever been more downhearted, by the way, than Leverkusen 02- when Houllier was in charge.  I felt that was the night for us to be heroes.  I still firmly believe we could have been European Champions then.  But we blew it, like so many opportunities.  It seemed like I was doomed to simply being a footnote in Liverpool’s past- we were there, but we still hadn’t scaled the heights.  We were close, but yet again, thwarted as the promise of immortality was there.   Could we ever experience nights like St Etienne, Roma...etc. ever again?

And so came THAT night.  I’ll be honest, I was in tears.  That was the night.  Something I’d been waiting for, for a long time.  And to get it in that fashion…?  Well, those players simply would never be forgotten.  And to me, you can say what you wish about Luis Garcia, or Joesmi, or Djimi Traore…but somewhere in Liverpool’s glorious history book, they will be there.  As will Rafael Benitez.  Could we have possibly imagined a night like the one we had back in May 2004, when we were all despondent?  We had lifted the European Cup for a magnificent FIFTH time, after one of the greatest sporting comebacks- perhaps THE greatest sporting comeback- in history.  It was and is the pinnacle of my support so far.

Therein lies the problem for me and so many more fans.  We’ve seen the glory.  We’ve sat there with our mouths agape as those players we idolise write themselves into the Anfield records.  We’ve seen Stevie and Carra dancing, singing Ring Of Fire, as they held OUR European Cup.  We saw close to a million people (not scousers, clearly, they’re Everton fans) pack the streets of Liverpool to welcome our religion, in some cases (particularly mine) our lives, home with a trophy from a victory we could never have imagined in all our lives.

So what do we do now?

Some Liverpool fans, even me, know that they will never forget that night. When you’ve had Cheryl Tweedy(for Kri5tian!) covered in Nutella, it’s a bit of a comedown to in the bus shelter with Cilla.  But it’s easy to say that it’s a comedown and all that, or that we’ll never experience another night like it.  But how true is that statement?  It’s impossible to know just yet.

However, the Miracle Of Istanbul was indeed memorable.  It’s something I’ll never forget.  But never forget something.  We’re Liverpool FC.  We’ve had a glorious past. We’re in a promising present.  Now it’s time to write those history books of the future, and carve yet more names into that book of Anfield folklore.  But most of all, it’s time to give us all more nights that will live in immortality.

© John Porter, 2005.
« Last Edit: August 21, 2005, 09:14:27 PM by Pheeny »
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Re: My Eyes Have Seen The Glory - What Next?
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2005, 08:24:40 PM »
Excellent read - are you sure you're only fifteen?  :o

We were talking about this on the way to the game the other day - will it ever be as good as Istanbul again? Fact is your conclusion is spot on. There may never be a game like Istanbul in all the time you or I watch the reds for as long as we live. But what we can do is write a great new chapter in our history - memorable nights like that will make legends of our players, and we will always be able to say we saw the beginning of the new dawn - the day our current crop began on that road to proper legendary status.

Kudos again on an excellent post.
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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2005, 08:25:25 PM »
Cheers mate, and yeah I am.  Nowhere near the legends Tomkins and Garstonite's level though.
I've always supported the club not the individual. I'd like to see the club back where I most fondly remember it, at the top. That means there's no place for Carragher or anyone else who is past their sell by date.

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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2005, 08:27:31 PM »
You're still a bloody good writer though.
Look forward to reading more of your posts in the future.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2005, 08:28:07 PM »
Thanks very much :)
I've always supported the club not the individual. I'd like to see the club back where I most fondly remember it, at the top. That means there's no place for Carragher or anyone else who is past their sell by date.

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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2005, 08:33:01 PM »
Enjoyed that John - read it with a beaming smile, nice one.

Sometimes, since May, I stop and think I’ve done it not the team me, I’ve achieved everything I always dreamed about as a Liverpool fan.  I’ve seen us win every trophy that matters, and sometimes I wonder if in reaching that fantastic milestone things will ever be the same again.

Like you I wanted a story of my own, just like Carra said we needed, and boy do we have one  ;D
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2005, 08:33:47 PM »
Cheers mate, and yeah I am.  Nowhere near the legends Tomkins and Garstonite's level though.

Not fair to make such a comparison mate - it's not so long ago I was fifteen and I know what the standard of writing is for most people your age. You'll go far mate, if writing is something you want to pursue.
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2005, 08:35:23 PM »
Enjoyed that John - read it with a beaming smile, nice one.

Sometimes, since May, I stop and think I’ve done it not the team me, I’ve achieved everything I always dreamed about as a Liverpool fan.  I’ve seen us win every trophy that matters, and sometimes I wonder if in reaching that fantastic milestone things will ever be the same again.

Like you I wanted a story of my own, just like Carra said we needed, and boy do we have one  ;D
Yeah, indeed.  It's just the way being a fan is I guess...for such a long time now it's all been history, but I just wanted something where if in 20 years I've got a kid I can say...'Son I remember...'
I've always supported the club not the individual. I'd like to see the club back where I most fondly remember it, at the top. That means there's no place for Carragher or anyone else who is past their sell by date.

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Re: My Eyes Have Seen The Glory - What Next?
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2005, 08:56:39 PM »
called my wife from istanbul all emotional said to her thats it for me it wont get any better than that i aint goin any more(bin goin home and away since 84ish).She said "you fuckin well are,speak to the kids".At that point she put my 2 lads on the phone(10 and 8)they were buzzing asking question after question like only kids can.I came off me phone in tears.Your right kid there is always a bright future and there will be for me and my kids watching LFC.

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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2005, 09:01:52 PM »
Cheers mate, and yeah I am (15 years old).  Nowhere near the legends Tomkins and Garstonite's level though.

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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2005, 09:03:47 PM »
Not sure if that's a compliment or an insult.  I'll presume compliment. Hahahaha.
I've always supported the club not the individual. I'd like to see the club back where I most fondly remember it, at the top. That means there's no place for Carragher or anyone else who is past their sell by date.

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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2005, 09:09:35 PM »
Cheers mate, and yeah I am.  Nowhere near the legends Tomkins and Garstonite's level though.


Your writing is streets ahead of mine was when aged 15, believe me  :wave

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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2005, 09:09:47 PM »
I'm wondering if you're 15 too.  Beautifully written piece - a real pleasure to read and much better than I could ever hope to do.

I look forward to reading more of your pieces.

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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2005, 09:11:32 PM »

Your writing is streets ahead of mine was when aged 15, believe me  :wave

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RIP Ray Osbourne & The 96 (Justice)

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2005, 09:15:59 PM »
Great read mate. I'd love to read your stuff in 10 years time, when you've had time to develop even more.

As for Istanbul being a pinnacle that can't be bettered, I think you're wrong. As hard as it is, there's always a chance that we can be involved in a game better than that (hard to imagine I know).  We may have to come back from 4-nil at half time, or win it normal time without penalties. It's possible. That's way it's the beautiful game. That's why we keep watching.

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Istanbul can be bettered. Why, or why didn't Hamman smack that free kick in at the end of extra time...
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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2005, 09:16:41 PM »
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2005, 09:17:26 PM »
I did add 'So far'.  I think it can be bettered, that's what i was saying.
I've always supported the club not the individual. I'd like to see the club back where I most fondly remember it, at the top. That means there's no place for Carragher or anyone else who is past their sell by date.

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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2005, 09:52:18 PM »
Fantastic read mate.....well done keep em coming!   



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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2005, 10:32:32 PM »
Fantastic read mate.....well done keep em coming!     just a small note hope you don't mind,  i may be reading this wrong and if so i apologise, should this mean 2005?   




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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2005, 10:46:09 PM »
Great read that. I feel the same sometimes. I know what you mean, we've seen our team win the biggest prize there is in the most amazing way and you've just got to wonder if we'll ever see anything that good again. But then I think about it, and yeah, we are so lucky to have been a part of Istanbul, but there is still loads for us to achieve. I've never felt a part of us winning the league because I was quite young back then and had never been to a game. Once I've seen us win the league, the next step is to retain our title and then to win the European Cup while being Champions of our own league. Maybe once I've seen us do that I'll feel that I've seen us do everything there is left to do. But not now. Istanbul has just made me want to feel the high even more. I know it was just so good, but I cant help but feel that winning the league again will more than match up to it.

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« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2005, 12:24:14 AM »
Once I've seen us win the league, the next step is to retain our title and then to win the European Cup while being Champions of our own league. Maybe once I've seen us do that I'll feel that I've seen us do everything there is left to do.

Retiring in a couple of years then hun? :wave
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« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2005, 05:57:08 PM »
Retiring in a couple of years then hun? :wave

No, I'll just start sitting in the main stand and moan about how "it wasnt like this in my day". :)
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