Topic: Boxing thread

[Moldyman]

It's clear the ref DID bring tell them to box on, the confusing part is that he was looking at the timekeeper instead if the fighters shortly after.

[royhendo]

Fuck Mayweather. The interviewer was brilliant. "I wish I was 50 years younger!"

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

If he butted him on purpose I don't blame him sparking him.

His reflexes and boxing ability still looks top-notch.

[Barrowboy]

How many times did Ortiz want to apologise? I think he knew he was out of his depth and was looking for a way out, no way was that a knockout blow from Mayweather.

[Dr Manhattan]

Wow, that was fucking bizarre.

I have to agree with others on here and say that it's Ortiz's fault for turning the fight dirty at that point. Did he think Floyd was just going to come back in to the middle of the ring all nice about it, shake hands, hug it out, etc? The ref restarts the fight and at that point his hands should be up, it's not a time to chat about what just happened, and it's not on Mayweather to worry about whether his hands are up or down, the fight is in action and Mayweather throws a quick one two. Tough shit, you're out.

Thought Floyd still looked the absolute shit, and can't see Khan getting anywhere near him if that fight happens.

[Fordy]

It's a joke khan even talking about fighting floyd.

Manny v floyd is the fight everyone wants to see. Khan has to prove himself at floyds weight 1st of all.

[Kite]

Just goes to show some sportsmen can do absolutely anything and still fans won't see the truth.  The headbutt was clearly intentional, but how you can even remotely claim that justifies what Mayweather does next ?

If Mayweather dodges Pacman yet again he should retired being known for the big mouth full of shit pussy he is.

[INABITSKI]

Fuck Mayweather. The interviewer was brilliant. "I wish I was 50 years younger!"

  Only just seen this.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/G6Knyu4-6wM" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/G6Knyu4-6wM</a>

[Dr Manhattan]

Who is that dude who who said that anyway. I've seen him on it loads before and he does my head in. Takes about 5 minutes to ask one question.

[1892tillforever]

To be fair, Mayweather looked brilliant. However, I expected a KO as Ortiz is 3-4 levels below him. Khan would be molested by Mayweather if they fight. The KO was a shithouse move by a shithouse person, again no surprise. Ortiz is an idiot though, you NEVER let your guard down.
Anyone suggesting that Mayweather would beat Pacman based on that performance is overreacting. Mayweather will always ruin the Ortiz's of this world. I think Pac would KO Ortiz just as fast to be honest.
I really want to see Mayweather vs Martinez at 154 but that is as likely as Pac vs Mayweather.

Also, laughed at Mick Hennessey saying Tyson Fury would KO both Klit brothers in 18 months. He was lucky not to be KO'd by a journeyman last night. Would love to see Fury vs Mike Perez, would bet big on Perez via KO inside 3 rounds.

[1892tillforever]

Who is that dude who who said that anyway. I've seen him on it loads before and he does my head in. Takes about 5 minutes to ask one question.

The legendary Larry Merchant?

[Mirra]

Merchant these days likes to be the star instead of concentrating on the fighter, hes good at what he does but him and Floyd have a bit history, Merchant winds him up and Floyd always says your just a commentator etc

Floyd done nothing wrong there for me, Ortiz was getting no where near him, Floyd looked amazing as usual, love him or hate him hes a legend. But how many times did Ortiz want to say sorry? It isnt MMA where you have a thousand hugs and kisses and all that shit, just get on with it.  Protect yourself at all times, Floyd quick thinking knocked him out. I agree it looked like Ortiz wanted a way out, he had no chance there. Now its up to Manny to beat an opponent Floyd toyed with. Its going to take something special to beat Floyd though, im just happy ive got to see one of the all time greats, and he is that dont make any mistake about it, im just happy ive got to see many of his fights. He is special.

[Dr Manhattan]

The legendary Larry Merchant?

I guess so, I don't know, that's why I asked. The quickest he ever spoke was when he said he'd kick Floyd's ass though.

[Dr Manhattan]

Floyd done nothing wrong there for me, Ortiz was getting no where near him, Floyd looked amazing as usual, love him or hate him hes a legend. But how many times did Ortiz want to say sorry? It isnt MMA where you have a thousand hugs and kisses and all that shit, just get on with it.  Protect yourself at all times, Floyd quick thinking knocked him out. I agree it looked like Ortiz wanted a way out, he had no chance there. Now its up to Manny to beat an opponent Floyd toyed with. Its going to take something special to beat Floyd though, im just happy ive got to see one of the all time greats, and he is that dont make any mistake about it, im just happy ive got to see many of his fights. He is special.

Spot on. I fucking love Floyd. He's the best of his generation and he knows it, nothing wrong with that. And yeah, protect yourself at all times, don't come back and stand there looking to chat about it. Even after the left he just stands there looking at the ref. Get your fucking hands up!

[Kite]

America has such a perfect word for Mayweather.  Douchebag!

[Kite]

Spot on. I fucking love Floyd. He's the best of his generation and he knows it, nothing wrong with that. And yeah, protect yourself at all times, don't come back and stand there looking to chat about it. Even after the left he just stands there looking at the ref. Get your fucking hands up!

He'll still be the best of his generation if he continues to dogdge Pacman ?

[1892tillforever]

Yes he did, as did mosely before, and marquez and anyone floyd fights. Theyre all willing to take it and agree to it with no fuss so dont hear much about it. A little strange how manny makes it into a big thing and point blank refuses?

What like fighting mosely after an impressive victory and beating him? Fighting marquez after an impressive victory and beating him? Fighting Ricky hatton at his prime and still undefeated and beating him? 

Compare that to paquiao who fought hatton after mayweather had already beat him, fought de la hoya after mayweather had already beat him, fought shane mosely after mayweather had already beat him, now fighting marquez after mayweather recently beat him.

Looks like its floyd who is fighting people on the back of victories and manny who is fighting them after floyds already beaten them

He never 'got round' to fighting Casamayor, Cotto, Margarito, Pacman. Fact is, Floyd is an amazing boxer but he has cherry picked the majority of his fights:

Victoriano Sosa: Not very good and KO's in 4 by Cotto a year later
Philip N'dou: Average fighter
Chop Chop Corley: Lost to Zab Judah in his previous fight
Henry Bruseles: lol! Technical draw with Ener Julio previous fight
Arturo Gatti: Loved Gatti but a limited brawler. This was late in Gatti's career after his Ward Trilogy which probably drained everything he had left and also a KO defeat to De La Hoya
Sharmba Mitchell: Coming off a technical victory and brutal KO loss to Kostya Tszyu
Zab Judah: Coming off a loss to Carlos Baldomir
Carlos Baldomir: No one knew who he was untilhe beat Judah. Had 9 losses and 6 draws prior to that fight.
De La Hoya: Golden Boy was faded to shit, beat Mayorga before this fight but the fight before was Annhiliated by Hopkins.
Ricky Hatton: Always liked watching Ricky fight but he was moving up a weight division and had looked awful vs Collazo and was lucky get a decision IMO.
JMM: Moving up several weight divisions, a joke fight. JMM will be filleted by Pac in November.
Shane Mosley: Yes, he beat Maragrito whose head was fried before that fight because of the gloves scandal. Most people has Shane written off by that time. He was shot and was proven in his next fight vs Mora.
Ortiz: KO'd by Maidana and lookeed vulnerable in many fights. Levels below Floyd.

Is Floyd a great fighter? Unquestionably yes, one of the best I have seen in my generation.
Is he a cherry-picking son of a bitch? Absolutely! If he fights Pac and Martinez and wins, no one can deny his place in the upper echelons of the sport in all-time terms. Otherwise, it really is a case of what might have been? But he doesn't give a shit. He gets paid millions for easy fights and fair play to him.

P.S: This is not a Pac vs Floyd debate. Pac is cherry picking as bad, if not worse than Floyd these days.

[1892tillforever]

I guess so, I don't know, that's why I asked. The quickest he ever spoke was when he said he'd kick Floyd's ass though.

Yeah, Merchant is a legend in boxing commentary terms. Can be annoying as fuck though, same as Jim Lampley.

[1892tillforever]

Just goes to show some sportsmen can do absolutely anything and still fans won't see the truth.  The headbutt was clearly intentional, but how you can even remotely claim that justifies what Mayweather does next ?

If Mayweather dodges Pacman yet again he should retired being known for the big mouth full of shit pussy he is.

I actually think he would beat Pacman via UD if they ever fought. Problem is, Pac presents too high a risk. He (Pacman) has a 40-50% chance of winning. Floyd likes to have a 90%+ chance of winning before getting in the ring. He would get concussed by Martinez IMHO. Mayweather is as good as choosing opponents as he is at being masterful in the ring.

[gazzalfc]

Better quality vid

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/n6hFwMqf7qQ" target="_blank" class="new_win">http://www.youtube.com/v/n6hFwMqf7qQ</a>

[Dr Manhattan]

Haha! Cortez is awful.

[gazzalfc]

At 33 secs in that vid the ref said 'lets go' and brought his hands together. That's box on IMO.

But the ref should have had his eyes on the fight.

[jDJ]

Larry Merchant looking for column inches as usual... Boring.

If you headbutt someone probably a reasonable idea to not give them a free punch shortly after.

May weather is a cock but his opponents always seem to be regarded a lot shitter after he's beaten them.

[1892tillforever]

Not as bad as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Jz0HNgoII

Tragic story this. Grant's career was more or less finished by that punch. Took him months to recover from the injuries, and fought once more, losing by KO before retiring.
Butler was jailed for this assault and later, he was convicted of the murder of Max Kellerman's (boxing commentator) brother Joel, hitting him in the head with a hammer. But I digress.

Yes, Cortez is hard but shit!

[JLStretton]

Fair play to Floyd, what did Ortiz expect a kiss and a cuddle after head butting someone!

[AriGold]

I hope to fuck Manny gets a shot at Floyd, he'd take him down.

[Lebron]

The ref never told them to box on.  He had just cleared with the timekeeper to start the clock again, he never got a chance to tell them to box on.  Mayweather cheated.  And now he will keep running to avoid Pac man.  Even at the weigh in Mayweather was first to react by grabbing Ortiz by the neck after some verbals.  Something else seems to be bothering this kid.

[U13]

Talk is cheap....like i said, i`ll fight jack the ripper dressed as a hooker.
Mosely`s prime was at lightweight before Forrest beat him badly at welter.

He wanted to fight Mosley and Tszyu but neither were willing to give him a chance. It was when Floyd was still climbing the ranks but wasn't a big draw. The funny thing is where Mayweather's concerned people put the onus on him to make every fight as if he can force other people to get in the ring with him when it obviously doesn't work like that.

Arum has done a masterful job of portraying Floyd as a ducker all because he outsmarted Arum by buying himself out of his contract to make more money than he thought was possible.

[1892tillforever]

He wanted to fight Mosley and Tszyu but neither were willing to give him a chance. It was when Floyd was still climbing the ranks but wasn't a big draw. The funny thing is where Mayweather's concerned people put the onus on him to make every fight as if he can force other people to get in the ring with him when it obviously doesn't work like that.

Arum has done a masterful job of portraying Floyd as a ducker all because he outsmarted Arum by buying himself out of his contract to make more money than he thought was possible.

He fought Baldomir instead of Margarito. He claimed that he got more money for the Baldomir fight which is horseshit. That is a fight he did avoid. Also, when you claim to be the greatest in history, the onus IS on you to make fights. He never went looking for Cotto when that fight was a major draw. Apparently, he also avoided Casamayor back in the day.

[Bobby_D]

Just goes to show some sportsmen can do absolutely anything and still fans won't see the truth.  The headbutt was clearly intentional, but how you can even remotely claim that justifies what Mayweather does next ?

Because even if there were no headbutt preceding that and they'd been broken for whatever other reason, Floyd would still be entitled to hit Ortiz.  They'd been brought back together and Ortiz was too busy giving Floyd a hug.

[U13]

He fought Baldomir instead of Margarito. He claimed that he got more money for the Baldomir fight which is horseshit. That is a fight he did avoid. Also, when you claim to be the greatest in history, the onus IS on you to make fights. He never went looking for Cotto when that fight was a major draw. Apparently, he also avoided Casamayor back in the day.

Baldomir had the WBC belt so of course he did, he's held the WBC belt at every weight class he's fought at.

He tried to fight Cotto for a unification fight but Arum said at the time Cotto was 'too green'. Before Arum realised he got outsmarted by Mayweather RE his contract his opinions were a million miles away from what they are today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

[Bobby_D]

Mix of your two posts here mate...

Anyone suggesting that Mayweather would beat Pacman based on that performance is overreacting. Mayweather will always ruin the Ortiz's of this world. I think Pac would KO Ortiz just as fast to be honest.

...

I actually think he would beat Pacman via UD if they ever fought. Problem is, Pac presents too high a risk. He (Pacman) has a 40-50% chance of winning. Floyd likes to have a 90%+ chance of winning before getting in the ring. He would get concussed by Martinez IMHO. Mayweather is as good as choosing opponents as he is at being masterful in the ring.

I had thought Floyd would beat Manny based on showings from other fights, before anything that went on tonight.  I agree in that any fight between the two would be the closest to a pickem that Floyd would be in and that's the problem as you say.  Floyd is very astute in picking his opponents and will want to maximize any advantage coming into the fight.

Boxing, though, is a business and the matchmaking side of it pisses a lot of people off who want to see the true tests to fighters that are out there.  It doesn't always get to happen the way we want.  He's not obliged to do that and I think it was summed up well by Emmanuel Steward after the KO of Ortiz when he said if Floyd is happy with himself, which clearly he is, then that's all that matters (to him) at the end of the day.  - or words to that effect.  Same with people questioning his record and opponents - Floyd won't care what the public think of him or whether he's adored long after he's hung up his gloves for good.  But that's the real shame, as a fighter of his generational talent could look back and really have left a legacy.

[rushyman]

Love Mayweather.

Interviewer is decrepit

[1892tillforever]

Baldomir had the WBC belt so of course he did, he's held the WBC belt at every weight class he's fought at.

He tried to fight Cotto for a unification fight but Arum said at the time Cotto was 'too green'. Before Arum realised he got outsmarted by Mayweather RE his contract his opinions were a million miles away from what they are today.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2420382

Two sides to every story mate:

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/flashback-how-floyd-ducked-margarito-cotto/

For every source that says Floyd ducked fighter X, there will be one that says he did not.

Also, Floyd has repeatedly claimed that 'belts don't define me'. Baldo was a handy win for a handy paycheck. Don't get me wrong, he is absolutely right to fight for big bucks in fights that present little or no risk to him. He is very very smart, I would do the same. Thing is, he can't then claim to be an all-time great as he really hasn't challenged himself like he should have done. IMO of course.

Mix of your two posts here mate...
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I had thought Floyd would beat Manny based on showings from other fights, before anything that went on tonight.  I agree in that any fight between the two would be the closest to a pickem that Floyd would be in and that's the problem as you say.  Floyd is very astute in picking his opponents and will want to maximize any advantage coming into the fight.

Boxing, though, is a business and the matchmaking side of it pisses a lot of people off who want to see the true tests to fighters that are out there.  It doesn't always get to happen the way we want.  He's not obliged to do that and I think it was summed up well by Emmanuel Steward after the KO of Ortiz when he said if Floyd is happy with himself, which clearly he is, then that's all that matters (to him) at the end of the day.  - or words to that effect.  Same with people questioning his record and opponents - Floyd won't care what the public think of him or whether he's adored long after he's hung up his gloves for good.  But that's the real shame, as a fighter of his generational talent could look back and really have left a legacy.

Can't disagree with anything you have said there mate.

[flynnyyy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHIUpWnr8E4

[Bobby_D]

Not as bad as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Jz0HNgoII

Tragic story this. Grant's career was more or less finished by that punch. Took him months to recover from the injuries, and fought once more, losing by KO before retiring.
Butler was jailed for this assault and later, he was convicted of the murder of Max Kellerman's (boxing commentator) brother Joel, hitting him in the head with a hammer. But I digress.

In fairness mate, that' a different situation altogether in that the punch was thrown after the fight was finished.  They'd even had their gloves removed and were hearing the result come in.  Cortez had brought both Floyd and Ortiz back together last night.  Bad bad situation that, with Butler, definitely, but different scenarios between those two.

Yes, Cortez is hard but shit!

"I'm fair, but I'm firm, but I'm shit"         

[U13]

Two sides to every story mate:

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/flashback-how-floyd-ducked-margarito-cotto/

I find it difficult to take an article seriously when the opening sentence is 'To celebrate the greatest coward in boxing history – who is rumored to be in the process of ducking Shane Mosley'. He went on to fight Mosley 4 months after this article was written and pretty much shut him out.

Also the fact Arum said Mayweather agreed to fight Margarito and Cotto trumps that article which is mostly the opinion of the 'journalist'.  The original article is from October 06 and Mayweather's next fight after that was De La Hoya, only an idiot of the highest order would pass up ODLH to fight Margarito.

Yeah I agree boxing is all about weighing up what makes sense financially and taking on challenges. The problem for Mayweather is that he's so many levels above most fighters out there that his fights look like easy work. Pac and Maravilla are the only challenges out there for him imo and I think the former will be relatively comfortable for him.

[Joey C]

Not as bad as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7Jz0HNgoII

Tragic story this. Grant's career was more or less finished by that punch. Took him months to recover from the injuries, and fought once more, losing by KO before retiring.
Butler was jailed for this assault and later, he was convicted of the murder of Max Kellerman's (boxing commentator) brother Joel, hitting him in the head with a hammer. But I digress.

Yes, Cortez is hard but shit!

Absolutely disgraceful, hope he's locked up and getting his asshole raped on a daily basis. c*nt.

As for last night, I think Mayweather is not in the wrong here, the ref is. He clearly brought the fighters together, had a quick touch up and Mayweather went to work on Ortiz, who was also being far too nice. Where the ref was looking, I have no clue but he should NOT referee any more major fights, he's a liability.

In an ideal world, Mayweather will fight Khan next, as a tune-up for Manny Pacquaio (please for the love of god, let it happen) but hope these two can stop acting like kids and get their shit in the ring.

[1892tillforever]

I find it difficult to take an article seriously when the opening sentence is 'To celebrate the greatest coward in boxing history – who is rumored to be in the process of ducking Shane Mosley'. He went on to fight Mosley 4 months after this article was written and pretty much shut him out.

Also the fact Arum said Mayweather agreed to fight Margarito and Cotto trumps that article which is mostly the opinion of the 'journalist'.  The original article is from October 06 and Mayweather's next fight after that was De La Hoya, only an idiot of the highest order would pass up ODLH to fight Margarito.

I know that the writer is biased as fuck! I honestly don't think Floyd wanted Margarito because it was a fight where he may get hit. He would win to be honest, but it wouldn't be as easy as the scrubs he did fight. DLH was shot when Floyd fought him. I will try and dig out more stuff later (that isn't full of biased shite )

You should read the shit Dave Lahr writes! How does he get paid? Seriously, check it out!



Links on the Margo fight which collaberate what you are saying actually.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/chris_mannix/09/17/mayweather-marquez/index.html
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/49602-good-defense-is-floyd-mayweather-ducking-antonio-margarito

Seems common knowledge that he 'avoided' Margarito. Totally understand when a fight with DLH was on the table. Not afterwards when the fight would have been a cracker.
That said, I am being too harsh saying he ducked Margo. He is a smart businessman, no doubt and I would have done the same.

[Jon R]

why does it matter where cortez was looking. yea he should have eyes on the action, but surely the same thing would still have happened? And he couldnt disqualify floyd because the ref clearly shouts lets go. so would it have made much difference?