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DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« on: June 8, 2005, 12:42:00 PM »
“Oh no, not this thorny old subject again” I hear you say. Surely it’s been done to death. Everybody knows about the Sun boycott and why we actually refuse to have anything to do with it. Or do they? Unfortunately more and more Liverpool fans are buying the Sun. It’s a hard thing for me personally, and I’m sure thousands of others, to accept but it is a fact. Who are these people breaking the boycott? Well, not to beat about the bush and also not wishing to upset anybody but they are, from what I’ve seen, mostly nouveau fans and OOT’s. I never have had and never will have any problem whatsoever with OOT’s, in fact I have been one of their most vigorous champions but I’m sorry, if you want to break a 16 year long boycott then I suggest you go elsewhere to watch your football. I have seen some Scousers with the Sun too and that is harder to take than nouveaus and OOT’s with it.  My idea of dealing with is to burn any copy I see a Liverpool supporter holding. Unfortunately it wouldn’t go down too well to set anything alight in a football stadium or aeroplane so I go for the next best option and tell the people involved exactly what I think of them and their attitude. Do these people know about the boycott? Some of the “talk to them and educate them” brigade seem to think they don’t. Of the last four people I’ve had a go at after seeing them reading the rag I know for a fact that at least two of them did as their “explanation” for reading it was “It was the only British paper they had left.” Well I’d rather read the back of a cornflake packet in Turkish than have anything whatsoever to do with the Sun but the “explanation” intimates yes that they knew about the boycott and the reasons why but they were going to read it anyway. Why do they do this? Surely they know that by having anything to do with the Sun they are sullying the memories of 96 dead football fans, and our fans at that.

What of the nouveaus, OOT’s and Scousers alike who are supposedly ignorant of the boycott and the reasons why? To me, that’s just a load of old bullshit. As far as I’m concerned there has been enough publicity about the boycott and the reasons why to make even the thickest of thickos aware of it no matter who they are, their age or their geographical location. People must surely be aware of it even if they’ve never attended a match. For those who have attended even one match they must surely have seen thousands of people wearing “Don’t Buy The Sun” stickers produced and distributed by the marvellous people at the Hillsborough Justice Campaign. Don’t they realise why those people are wearing those stickers? Don’t they realise why ordinary Liverpool fans, the HJC and the Hillsborough Family Support Group go to such lengths to urge people to boycott the Sun? Trevor Hicks and his successor as chairman of the HFSG, Phil Hammond, have always said they would never have anything to with the Sun, Mr. Hammond most notably making a positive statement about it during his speech at this year’s Anniversary Memorial Service. Mr. Hammond looked positively embarrassed to even be in the company of Graham Dudman on his much publicised, televised, trumpet blaring fanfare visit to Liverpool to try to get the HFSG to urge people to stop the boycott. Good on the people of the HFSG to come to the right decision, the only decision, and send Dudman on his way home sulking with his tail clamped firmly between his legs. As for the people at the HJC such as Gerry McIver, Sheila White, Ann Williams and Pete Carney and the families connected to the HJC they refused to even see Dudman. Good on them for that too. So if it’s good enough for the HFSG, the HJC and many thousands of ordinary Liverpool fans why is it not good enough for those who break the boycott?

Because of our success in winning the European Cup and the inestimably higher profile it brings the club we will be getting many thousands of nouveaus and a broadening of our fan base. It falls to us, the activists in this boycott, not to give them a chance of using the excuse of ignorance whether it’s true or not. We must hammer home the message that this boycott MUST continue to protect the memory of the 96 and the good name of our supporters accused so disgracefully by the Sun of robbing our own dead and urinating on and assaulting policemen trying to come to the aid of the injured and dying.
YES, THAT’S WHAT THE SUN CALLED THE TRUTH! YES, THAT’S WHY I HATE THE SUN WITH A WILL AND A PASSION! YES, THAT’S WHY I’M SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS SUBJECT AND WHY I GIVE SHORT SHRIFT TO ANYBODY ASKING ME TO JUST TALK TO BOYCOTT BREAKERS IN A BID TO “EDUCATE” THEM! YES, THAT’S WHY I WILL NEVER TAKE ANY OTHER STANCE ON THE SUBJECT.

I love Liverpool Football Club. I love Liverpool Football Club supporters, their spirit and everything they stand for. I love the wit and the songs. I love the banners. That is why I get so upset at the Sun sullying our name. It’s like a family – if you harm my son you’ve got me to answer to. Liverpool supporters are my sons, brothers, sisters and grandchildren.

Please be pro-active, visit the HJC shop and get as many rolls of “DON’T BUY THE SUN” stickers you can get hold of. Pass a couple of quid or so to the fund for the stickers. Please then give these stickers to as many people as you possibly can at the first few matches, friendlies and League games, next season so that NOBODY can come up with the ignorance excuse. Please, if you see any Liverpool supporter with a copy of the Sun rip it out of their hands and THEN explain why you’ve done it. If we all do our bit then the word will spread to such an extent that NOBODY will be able to claim ignorance and if they do then read the Sun it’s because they are ignorant (in a “couldn’t give a shit” way) bastards.

Let’s not forget either that the boycott is not solely confined to Liverpool supporters. Even a lot of our fiercest rivals (and I mean Everton NOT Manchester United; Everton will always be our fiercest rivals) refuse to buy the Sun because of the lies they told about fellow Scousers, fellow football supporters. A lot of Manchester United fans I know also refuse to buy the Sun for the same reason that they sullied fellow football supporters. The boycott has even spread to Newcastle University where some Reds there were vociferous in their condemnation of the Sun. Good on those lads. Good to on Newcastle supporters I know who refuse to buy the Sun in support of us. Good to on Southampton supporters who asked me what my sticker was all about when I was in the pub near St. Mary’s after the game there this season and vowed never to buy the Sun again in support of us. The same also goes for Portsmouth supporters I’m friendly with. If we can get this kind of support from fans of other clubs why can’t we get it amongst SOME of our own. There is a saying that ignorance is bliss but in this case ignorance is a lie.

Remember that at the time of Hillsborough the people of Merseyside were hated by the government of the time and most of all by its leader, Margaret Thatcher. Remember that we got the tag of being a shower of lazy bastards by the Tory party’s very own Mr. Norman Tebbitt who told us that there were jobs out there, it was just that we were too lazy to go out and get one and we should just get on our bikes and look for work. Well Mr. Tebbitt, a lot of us couldn’t even afford a bike! Remember at the time of Hillsborough that we were slap bang in the middle of 18 years of Tory misrule. Perhaps that’s why the Sun thought they were justified in vilifying Scousers with their terrible lies. Perhaps they thought that as everybody hated Scousers anyway they could get away with their “THE TRUTH” front page lies. Perhaps they thought the government would back them. Remember this was a general attack against Scousers not just the people at Hillsborough. The Sun called us thieves, drunkards and hooligans. Remember about us – Scousers. They said it about you, me, your sister, your Granny, your Dad, your Mum and your mates. They said it about the woman next door and your 15 year old brother who hadn’t even been born then because they said it about US - Scousers, not just one particular set of people.

It matters not whether you’ve been going the match 50 years or 5 minutes – if you want to call yourself a Liverpool supporter DON’T BUY THE SUN!


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« Last Edit: June 8, 2005, 10:02:54 PM by Peter_Evo »
96 Liverpool fans lost their lives at Hillsborough. Thousands more were deeply affected. The Sun said Liverpool fans robbed their own dead and urinated on policemen and other fans doing their best to save them. The Sun said Liverpool fans were to blame for causing the crush by turning up ticketless and drunk. The Sun told lies. DON'T BUY THE SUN!

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« Reply #1 on: June 8, 2005, 12:44:50 PM »
TopMan Evo another great read!!

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« Reply #2 on: June 8, 2005, 12:49:23 PM »
Going off your point that some peoples excuse was it was the only British paper left - I was just wondering if these people went to a sports shop to buy a Liverpool shirt but none were left would they buy a Manc one or BS. Simply there is no excuse for it don't buy it, simple as!
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #3 on: June 8, 2005, 12:49:56 PM »
Couldn't believe the amount of people in Istanbul reading the shit,

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« Reply #4 on: June 8, 2005, 12:52:02 PM »
Dunno why i am an OOT/ Out of country at the mo but i will not even physically touch that rag!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: June 8, 2005, 12:53:00 PM »
I'm an OOT and have followed the club for 26 years, I'd rather not have a paper than read that dispicable fucking rag!

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« Reply #6 on: June 8, 2005, 12:53:52 PM »
Couldn't believe the amount of people in Istanbul reading the shit,

Have to agree with you on that one!!

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« Reply #7 on: June 8, 2005, 12:54:22 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: June 8, 2005, 12:56:28 PM »
The truth is a lot of people still don't realise.
A lot of daytrippers who claim to be supporters will watch as many games on Sky as poss and get up for one game a season.
They won't go on an internet forum either and simply don't know about the boycott.

Others are just ignorant pricks.

There's many ways of dealing with a S*n reader, but I believe you should always start off with:

"Mate, why are you reading that fucking rag?"

and take it from there.
After the response you'll soon see whether they are genuinely uneducated or just an ignorant fuck and then make the decision to either get out a roll of stickers or a zippo.

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« Reply #9 on: June 8, 2005, 12:59:41 PM »
Well I think you covered everything, I'm from Cardiff, supported LFC since 77 (call me a glory boy if you like) but I will never forgive and I'll never forget what the SCUM wrote, because at the time (in my youthful inexperience) I thought 'They can't print lies and sick stuff like that so it may be true', well they feckin well can and they feckin well did and if they did it then to sell papers, they'll do it again, and probably have.

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« Reply #10 on: June 8, 2005, 01:01:37 PM »
Great read Evo - agree 100%

Reading the S*n's boasts about how many extra copies they had sold in Istanbul and the extra 10,000 sold on Merseyside made me feel sick, there really is no excuse.

I live on the south coast and therefore I guess I am an OOT, anyone who uses geography as an excuse is talking out of their arse. I was 10 in 1989 and don't remember anything, I've been a regular at Anfield since 92, I made it my business to find out about the history of our great club and what it means to support LFC, as everyone should. I wear my HJC badge, wristband and Don't Buy The Sun badge with pride and explain to anyone who comes close the reasons why and just what we and the HJC are fighting for.

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« Reply #11 on: June 8, 2005, 01:02:13 PM »
The truth is a lot of people still don't realise.
A lot of daytrippers who claim to be supporters will watch as many games on Sky as poss and get up for one game a season.
They won't go on an internet forum either and simply don't know about the boycott.

Others are just ignorant pricks.

There's many ways of dealing with a S*n reader, but I believe you should always start off with:

"Mate, why are you reading that fucking rag?"

and take it from there.
After the response you'll soon see whether they are genuinely uneducated or just an ignorant fuck and then make the decision to either get out a roll of stickers or a zippo.



That's the point I'm making Jim - we must MAKE them realise.

The one in the departure lounge at Ataturk and the one sat next to me on the aeroplane were the ignorant fucks who said "Only British paper left." Yeah, couldn't they fuckin guess WHY it was the only one left? Wasn't appropriate to get the zippo out there so I just shouted at them instead. I didn't start with the word "mate" though cos I love my mates and any LFC fan reading that shit is no fuckin mate of mine, much less love them. c*nts!
96 Liverpool fans lost their lives at Hillsborough. Thousands more were deeply affected. The Sun said Liverpool fans robbed their own dead and urinated on policemen and other fans doing their best to save them. The Sun said Liverpool fans were to blame for causing the crush by turning up ticketless and drunk. The Sun told lies. DON'T BUY THE SUN!

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« Reply #12 on: June 8, 2005, 01:02:14 PM »
I'm afraid I fall somewhere between your stance and the 'educate them' brigade. I didn't know about the boycott until I started going to matches, and if I wasn't going so regularly it's possible I might have missed it. I'm well aware it's slightly different these days, with the prominence of the HJC on matchdays and the press it has got over the last year, but speaking to people around my area (some Liverpool fans, some not) there are still plenty of people unaware of the reasons for the boycott. I'd hate to think that someone would have started on me if I'd have been reading it before I knew the reasons why I shouldn't. I'm not sure it would have been the best way to get me on side, although I know I'd still have agreed with the boycott.

Undoubtedly there are people out there who choose to ignore the boycott, but if you begin to educate them and it becomes apparent that they're already aware then is probably the more sensible time to get really angry about it.

I wouldn't wish to question your view on the subject though Peter, as you probably know I respect your views and your passion for LFC as much if not more than most, and I know that the anger you feel at the vile rag must be many hundreds of times worse having been at Hillsborough, where I was merely a six year-old child staring at a TV screen and not understanding the magnitude of what I was seeing. I just wonder if maybe the more forceful approach is pushing people away from the boycott rather than towards it.

A further reminder to those who don't know why we don't read the scum rag:

The Truth

"Them scousers are theives, and robbers and such
I can't say I care for them very much.
Sure, they're quite funny in the things that they say,
But they'll probably pick your pocket that very same day."

"They're dirty, they're poor, they're always in fights,
I saw it on Harry Enfield just the other night.
I believe what I see, I believe what I read,
They're telling 'the truth', what else do I need?"

"It's a stereotype, yes. But it's hardly treason,
It wouldn't be there if there weren't any reason.
Why would someone say it if it weren't really true?
And why should I listen to someone like you?"

"I know that it's true, that place is a dive,
I know it, though I've never gone past the M25.
I know it, and what's more everyone knows,
And why do we all know it? Because the S*n told us so."

Well I am from London, I get this all the time,
And a lot can be traced back to eighty nine.
It came from a paper, who could ever dispute?
This deep web of lies, The S*n at the root.

I'll tell you the real truth, for those willing to listen,
The truth about these people you are mindlessly dissing.
Most are generous and friendly, the salt of the earth,
And the S*n is just paper, without any worth.

Never buy or read the S*n.
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« Reply #13 on: June 8, 2005, 01:02:28 PM »
Great post Evo.
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« Reply #14 on: June 8, 2005, 01:03:22 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: June 8, 2005, 01:03:25 PM »
"Oh no, not this thorny old subject again"

Don't apologise Evo, most of us know why, but everytime these subjects are raised more people will learn from it and hopefully educate there family and friends around this subject.

It needs raising after the disgrace that was turkey, with people reading the s*n all over the place, while we are passing out as many don't buy the s*n stickers round as we had.  We need to keep pushing this subject as I'm sure I read somewhere on this forum that the S*n's circulation is on the increase in Liverpool.

Maybe a leaflet campain is required for the first game of the season because there are obviously people at LFC who need educating still about this subject and the HJC (just a thought)

Evo keep bringing up this subject so that we dont have a debarcle like happened at the airport in Turkey.  If a hack had been there, he could have easily wrote a story about how LFC fans have given up there bouycot and had the pictures to prove it!!  Of groups of reds sitting around basking in glory and reading the sun, a bit like the cock yesterday who won there footy manager game and said he was a big LFC fan!!

Lets keep educating and don't feel the need to apologise
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« Reply #17 on: June 8, 2005, 01:06:44 PM »
Great read Evo - agree 100%

Reading the S*n's boasts about how many extra copies they had sold in Istanbul and the extra 10,000 sold on Merseyside made me feel sick, there really is no excuse.
 

Thats part of their problem - they can't just accept being hated by a city and millions of Reds and be silent about it, any opportunity to gloat about 'scousers' or 'liverpool fans'(used very loosely) buying copies.  They have never published an apology with any sincerity but any chance to say Paul Smith from Birmingham who had scouse for his tea in 1976 bought our paper seems to be ok.  How about they publish this 'Steve Murray from Liverpool wouldn't wipe his arse with it!'
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« Reply #18 on: June 8, 2005, 01:08:58 PM »
their is absolutley no fuckin excuse at all, wherever yo uare from.

I personally am a New Zealander (now live in Australia), and am 19 years old, so only 3 whwn Hillsborough occurred.

However I see it as a duty as a Liverpool fan to at least educate myslef about it. I know about all the boycott , and since the S*n is not sold over here, I boycott it by not reading any article over the internet that is from the Sun, and if I see the sun quoted I immediatley stop reading it.

Hillsborough is the most significant even that has ever happened at this club, which is very sad as it should never have happened, and I persoanlly hope to make it to Liverpool fr the 20th Anniversary.

Now if a 19 year old kiwi can understand, then surely a brit, or a scouser should.

I agree with you peter, if you buy or read the S*n and know about the boycott then you shouldn't be supporting this club, simple as that. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 8, 2005, 01:10:07 PM »
their is absolutley no fuckin excuse at all, wherever yo uare from.

I personally am a New Zealander (now live in Australia), and am 19 years old, so only 3 whwn Hillsborough occurred.

However I see it as a duty as a Liverpool fan to at least educate myslef about it. I know about all the boycott , and since the S*n is not sold over here, I boycott it by not reading any article over the internet that is from the Sun, and if I see the sun quoted I immediatley stop reading it.

Hillsborough is the most significant even that has ever happened at this club, which is very sad as it should never have happened, and I persoanlly hope to make it to Liverpool fr the 20th Anniversary.

Now if a 19 year old kiwi can understand, then surely a brit, or a scouser should.

I agree with you peter, if you buy or read the S*n and know about the boycott then you shouldn't be supporting this club, simple as that. 

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« Reply #20 on: June 8, 2005, 01:10:40 PM »
Couldn't believe the amount of people in Istanbul reading the shit,

I was stunned, especially after the party outside the stadium and Taksim Square where almost everyone was walking around with a "dont buy the S*n" badge on their chest. You would think people would realise dont buying that rag.

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« Reply #21 on: June 8, 2005, 01:11:09 PM »
im an OOT and was only a year old when hillsborough tragedy occured, but ive its just second nature to me that i dont buy the sun

i dont even think about the reasons anymore, i just know that it is a crime to buy it

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« Reply #22 on: June 8, 2005, 01:12:46 PM »
It isn't a thorny old topic. If anything it needs to be followed and preached with even more evangelical zeal. Those pricks in that tent in Istanbul made me sick. When I asked the bloke near me why he was reading it, he looked at me as though I was a nutter. His 'excuse' was he was from Middlesborough. Knobhead.

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« Reply #23 on: June 8, 2005, 01:14:46 PM »
Nobody need ever apologise for starting this debate again.

The longer the days go on without mentioning this shite of a rag and what was printed, etc....., the more people will forget and let it slip.

Keep up the awareness everywhere you go - family, friends, work, etc......and hit them in the pocket the fucking scumbags.
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« Reply #24 on: June 8, 2005, 01:15:53 PM »
Peter, Jimbo, the kiwi you are all spot on.
I worry that sales of the S*n in liverpool do seem to be increasing, and about the people reading it in Istanbul as well.
I can't understand how anyone can support a club that was defamed in such a sick way and read the paper when their has never been a proper apology (bearing in mind Dudman on the TV programme, supercillious twat).
Also can't understand how any scouser can read the paper either when it defamed the City, not just our fans (and full credit to a lot of Everton fans over this issue for boycotting the rag as well).
1989 is personal for me and I like Peter and many others would never buy the S*n for those reasons.  But I do worry the numbers of people at matches and in the city reading it seem to my untrained eye (live in London now) to be increasing.  Hope I'm wrong about that.
But I'm not sure I am.  The HJC have been great, the number of stickers at games in the last year or two has been really good to see.  But a leaflet campaign first game next season might be a good idea as well.
For younger OOT fans and the like I do think their's an argument some are ignorant of the facts.  Education is no bad thing.  For the fuckers who know but still buy it well I agree with what's said above, they ain't Liverpool fans in my eyes.

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« Reply #25 on: June 8, 2005, 01:18:00 PM »
Good post Evo  ;)
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #26 on: June 8, 2005, 01:19:01 PM »
It isn't a thorny old topic. If anything it needs to be followed and preached with even more evangelical zeal. Those pricks in that tent in Istanbul made me sick. When I asked the bloke near me why he was reading it, he looked at me as though I was a nutter. His 'excuse' was he was from Middlesborough. Knobhead.

Yes, Dick and others, the people reading it out in Istanbul were nouveaus and hangers-on, people who decided just to go the Final who'd hardly been a match before. The kind of shits we don't want. They weren't the average, match-going, battle hardened Reds we all know and love who would sooner shag their granny than read the Su. So it's the nouveaus we need to get at next season. Get into them right from the very start. Sticker them up to fuck and if they complain when you rip the rag out of their hands then set fuckin fire to it!

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« Reply #27 on: June 8, 2005, 01:21:49 PM »
About 2 years ago I was watching an advertisement for a movie on the tele and when it cut to the movie sponsors it had a big sun ad on the bottom - told the missus there is no way I'm going the flicks til the sun ad is removed from the posters.  Since every movie has this ad now and the thought/sight of it puts me off going to watch the movie I've not been the pictures in years.  Is anybody else suffering with this much hatred of the sun sponsoring stuff and has this happened to anybody else?
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #28 on: June 8, 2005, 01:23:29 PM »
anyone seen with a copy should not be allowed within a certain radius of Liverpool, let alone reading it at the fuckin game! Disgraceful  :no

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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #29 on: June 8, 2005, 01:25:24 PM »
About 2 years ago I was watching an advertisement for a movie on the tele and when it cut to the movie sponsors it had a big sun ad on the bottom - told the missus there is no way I'm going the flicks til the sun ad is removed from the posters.  Since every movie has this ad now and the thought/sight of it puts me off going to watch the movie I've not been the pictures in years.  Is anybody else suffering with this much hatred of the sun sponsoring stuff and has this happened to anybody else?

I think most would feel the same mate. If you boycott the S*n, then wouldn't paying for something that is sponsored by that gutter rag be completely hypocritical?

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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #30 on: June 8, 2005, 01:25:39 PM »
Great article. The sticker campaign is great and needs to continue and flyers sound like a great idea. How about posters on the doors and windows of every boozer near the ground on match day. Another (more costly) idea would be to buy a billboard at a game, funding may be possilbe from a 'rival' paper. Just ideas as i know other papers also told lies about Hillsborough. keep up the good work.
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #31 on: June 8, 2005, 01:26:52 PM »
If education is the problem how about a big, fat banner along the lines of:

'The Truth...' etc

That's what I reckon we should do for the massive RAWK flag. That would get the fucking message across.
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #32 on: June 8, 2005, 01:27:01 PM »
The events of May 15th 1989, the HJC, HFSG and the boycott are just as intertwined with this Football Club as our great success, and yet some so-called fans still appear to be ignorant to it all. The bottom line for me is, if you read that paper, you are not a fan of this club and as such don’t deserve any respect or ‘touchy-feely’ education from me.

As the subject appears to be a pet-hate of the media, maybe we need to be more high-profile than we are at present. Perhaps we can arrange a floating banner at next seasons aways of the white DBTS sticker?
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #33 on: June 8, 2005, 01:28:18 PM »
I believe it's mostly a matter of education, there are many, many oot's who are in the know about these kinds of things and really feel for the victims in what was a world-wide event, and the ones that aren't are, I feel, simply ignorant, and may well just turn around if they knew the full deal. The minority who claim to be real fans and also dont care about the boycott, well they deserve any slap they get. I guess the issue really is how do you spread the word, when teens were not even born in 89 are now fanatic reds? Not everyone reads on these boards, nor hangs out with a group of passionate reds, there are possibly many fans from towns where being a red is a lonely thing.

The best policy I think is give the benefit of the doubt, and if the opportunity presents itself, guide them to the knowledge. Me personally, when I was working the UK some years back, some twat would bring the rag in each day, I would felt pen the cover as often as I could with the words "FUCKING RAG". Never cottoned on who it was and why. ;)
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #34 on: June 8, 2005, 01:30:00 PM »
No point putting it down purely to OOTs and day-trippers, I saw match-going scouse lads reading it in Istanbul and in Germany on the way back.
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #35 on: June 8, 2005, 01:41:05 PM »
Yes, Dick and others, the people reading it out in Istanbul were nouveaus and hangers-on, people who decided just to go the Final who'd hardly been a match before. The kind of shits we don't want. They weren't the average, match-going, battle hardened Reds we all know and love who would sooner shag their granny than read the Su. So it's the nouveaus we need to get at next season. Get into them right from the very start. Sticker them up to fuck and if they complain when you rip the rag out of their hands then set fuckin fire to it!

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Evo - is it just me or do there seem to be a fair few noveaus reading that rag at away days too - particularly the southern aways (crystal palace springs to mind)

Gonna plaster them in stickers and educate as best I can (by whatever method that may be).

Good post.  We can't let the boycott die down.  Education, education, education.
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #36 on: June 8, 2005, 01:55:31 PM »
Great post Evo  :thumbup
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #37 on: June 8, 2005, 01:56:57 PM »
Great post Evo. I have lived in Germany for a great number of years now and I don´t buy the rag. So nobody in UK can claim ignorance.
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #38 on: June 8, 2005, 01:57:59 PM »
here, here.

It's our responsibility to make sure the message continues to be passed to the newbies, and to tell the ''couldn't care'' knob heads to fuck right off. No excuses for anyone, as far as I'm concerned it's not even about who you support.
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Re: DON'T BUY THE SUN and the reasons why.
« Reply #39 on: June 8, 2005, 02:03:07 PM »
Well in Evo, we must keep reminding everyone about the lies that rag wrote about us. On this occasion time is most definitely not a great healer.Some Arsenal fans I know still crack that old joke that you've more chance of finding a Scouser with an O-level than a copy of the S*n!So even Cockney empty-heads know what it means to us!