Author Topic: Dear Unlcle Rick (Read 2272 times)

mikeh · « **on:** May 6, 2005, 04:41:17 PM »

Dear Rick,

im writing to you about the fan card situation that we have at the club. Personally i feel it stinks, in mine and many other fans eyes we know this loyalty scheme isn't worth a carrott.
Take for instance the Chelsea game, fan card holders only had to have gone to two european games, i got a ticket for the game so it wasnt much of a problem to me but many fans who are season ticket holders cant afford to go the European games and fork out another thirty pounds when its on the box. So fan card holders who had been to two European games got a ticket over the loyal season ticket holders you have had at the club for many years. So their Loyalty of five hundered pounds counts for nothing or does it?
The Carling Cup Final, now theres a joke in itself, again i cant afford to go to these mid week games, yet people who had been to poor games qualified before me, as it happens i was lucky and i stress lucky to get a ticket for this one again, but in my eyes i should of been ahead of some of the minor fans who got a ticket. You say its a loyalty scheme, but i think its a joke, there is no loyalty to season ticket holders what so ever.
I know someone who wrote to you about this matter and you basically told them; you knew before you bought the season ticket, read the small print and you can shove it up your arse.
I dont think this is good enough, if everyone was take the tole of ill only turn up for the big games, then we'd never get a decent gate week in week out. I ask where these so called fans against Blackburn, when we had over 8,000 seats empty? I'll tell you, they were at home laughing at all us with mug written across our heads.
Fair enough that the people who went to the Champions League games should be rewarded, but season ticket holders should be shown some loyalty by the club.
I like the way Man City hold a points system, and you need points to qualify for games, and i have a much fairer option:

1. At the start of season, it is reviewed how many games you went to last season and you are awarded X amount of points for the amount of games you attended last season.
2. After each home league game season ticket holders are awarded with say thirty points and fan card holders who attended the game say twenty, this way season ticket holders are being rewarded for their 500 pound they are shelling out at the start of the season, which the club depend on so much.
3. Forty points for an away game.
4. Fifty for an away European game.
4. Thirty Points for each cup game including Champions League.
5. Ten points is knocked of your tally if you dont attend a game and there are more than 3,000 seats. (so your given a black line so to speak for not turning up against Blackburn an co)

This way for Chelsea and Istanbul the real fans, who show loyalty are rewarded.

I look forward to hearing from you, and hearing an exuse. Because you can not honestly tell me that the current situation is fair.

Reagrds.......

(what do you think?)

Pooch · « **Reply #1 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:43:20 PM »

but in my eyes i should of been ahead of some of the minor fans...

I stopped reading after that mate. No such thing is there?

ratcatcher · « **Reply #2 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:43:57 PM »

Spot on. Funny how if you shell out over 500 sods up front before a ball is kicked for seassie, you get no reward nowadays.

mikeh · « **Reply #3 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:48:53 PM »

Quote from: Pooch on May 6, 2005, 04:43:20 PM

but in my eyes i should of been ahead of some of the minor fans...

I stopped reading after that mate. No such thing is there?

i meant minor as in, money wise. i worded that bit wrong.

hoonin · « **Reply #4 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:48:55 PM »

Oh boy, are you for real?

The ST vs Loyalty scheme argument has been done plenty of time and its the same as the OOT debate, in that theres never going to be an answer and never going to be an outcome that satisfies everyone.

As for your letter, its fucking awful. I think I'll stop now before I say what I really think. Fair play for posting what are your genuine held views, but expect a rough ride when people read that and respond...including seasie holders...

If you couldnt afford a 20 quid ticket for a early round game, how could you afford a trip to cardiff and a cup final ticket?

gramck24 · « **Reply #5 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:49:40 PM »

What about the fans who are dying to get there hands on a season ticket and go all the games anyway??

The points system wouldn't work for me!!

Skeeve · « **Reply #6 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:50:54 PM »

Being certain to see 19 home league games sounds like a good enough reward to me and if you disagree, I am sure there are many people that would be happy to take that ticket off your hands.

LES · « **Reply #7 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:55:16 PM »

Why should you get priority over someone like me who isn't a season ticket holder ( But have been on the list for an enternity), travels from Scotland and goes to 90% of league games, the odd away, every champs league, league cup games and fa cup games. for instance sitting freezing my arse off at the Watford game and then come the final i get nothing for it, IMO the fancard is the best thing the club has done for a long time.

themule · « **Reply #8 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:57:44 PM »

I'll have your seasie if its all such a farce and the world is such a terrible place.

-HH- · « **Reply #9 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:57:48 PM »

Quote from: Gareth on May 6, 2005, 04:48:55 PM

If you couldnt afford a 20 quid ticket for a early round game, how could you afford a trip to cardiff and a cup final ticket?

*sound of nail being hit on head*

ryanh234 · « **Reply #10 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:58:28 PM »

Hang on a minute -

you do get rewarded for having a season ticket.

I agree that loyalty should be rewarded, but it goes both ways.

The waiting list for season tickets is about 6 years - I waited 5 before I got mine. At the one extreme, if you only allow tickets to go on sale to season ticket holders, how would any of the thousands of people who are on the season ticket waiting list, go to the match???

I sit next to a guy who says exactly the thing about the League Cup Final as KingKenny. I asked him why he didn't go to any of the games in the earlier rounds and he came out with all kinds of excuses, but basically it came down to the fact that he couldn't be arsed.
Of course that didn't matter, he said, and he should have had priority over non-season ticket holders who travelled to Millwall, Tottenham, Watford and the Middlesbrough home tie.

I don't agree.

Every non-season-ticket holder , who has a fan-card is tarred with the same brush. Don't forget, not every fan-card holder is a fair-weather fan - most of them are honest people who go to as many games as they can and deserve a reward in return. Of course, some of them are the lazy, support-when-it-suits fans - but what difference is there between them and the season ticket holders who use the season-ticket as their fan-card??
I'm sure most of these type of fan-card holders would jump at the chance to get season tickets.

Like I said - it goes both ways

Jim Price · « **Reply #11 on:** May 6, 2005, 04:59:40 PM »

We had all this crying for the Carling Cup final.

If you're that hard done by, then give up your season tickets.

mikeh · « **Reply #12 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:03:13 PM »

for those who say you go to nearly every game, then you would get points for every game you went to, so in affect you would be on the same points a s.t.h im saying reward loyalty through all games not just carling cup games/ec league games

LES · « **Reply #13 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:04:18 PM »

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Don't forget, not every fan-card holder is a fair-weather fan - most of them are honest people who go to as many games as they can and deserve a reward in return.

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I'm sure most of these type of fan-card holders would jump at the chance to get season tickets.

Well said ryanh234

eskdale · « **Reply #14 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:06:34 PM »

Excuse my ignorance, but can't you have a fan card and a season ticket?

ryanh234 · « **Reply #15 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:08:47 PM »

Also KingKenny, this thing about not being able to afford mid week cup games - as someone said, all the people who say this always seem to be able to find a few hundred quid for a weekend trip to Cardiff...

It's never easy to find the money to follow Liverpool. I don't know any millionaires who go to the game, but I know plenty of people who go to every game. I've always said that, though it's never easy, it is always possible to find the money to go the game. You just find it - make sacrifices.

themule · « **Reply #16 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:09:28 PM »

Quote from: eskdale on May 6, 2005, 05:06:34 PM

Excuse my ignorance, but can't you have a fan card and a season ticket?

Exactly what I was thinking..

If you wanna reward loyalty then the terms should be equal for everyone. Having a seasie shouldnt give you an advantge, as that aint loyalty, its being rewarded for having the means to hold a seasie

Rushian · « **Reply #17 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:12:24 PM »

I think it's bollocks.

ryanh234 · « **Reply #18 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:12:40 PM »

you get a fancard with the season ticket - every cup game and away game, your loyalty is recorded on the fancard.

Some season ticket holders complain that offering fan cards to non-season-ticket holders is unfair on the season-ticket-holders

ryanh234 · « **Reply #19 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:13:24 PM »

what's bollocks Rushian???

His letter or the fancard system???

Rushian · « **Reply #20 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:14:37 PM »

The letter.

Yes there is a need for reform, but it needs to be carefully worked out not randomly thrown down on a piece of paper like that.

Bob Kurac · « **Reply #21 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:15:35 PM »

Utter drivel, so flawed it's not worth bothering with.

ryanh234 · « **Reply #22 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:18:52 PM »

I think the system's good and just needs revising in certain circumstances.
Eg. the tickets for Chelsea at home was a bit of a joke.
I was queing for 3 1/2 hours with people who had been to 2 games in front of me and people who had been to every game behind me.

When you got to the windows, half of them weren't even open.

I think things like this could have been handled better.

Someone hit the nail on the head when they said that the club can't please everyone with the fancard issue - they're damned if they do, damned if they don't.

KopiteDave · « **Reply #23 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:39:54 PM »

Quote from: kingkenny2 on May 6, 2005, 04:41:17 PM

The Carling Cup Final, now theres a joke in itself, again i cant afford to go to these mid week games, yet people who had been to poor games qualified before me, as it happens i was lucky and i stress lucky to get a ticket for this one again, but in my eyes i should of been ahead of some of the minor fans who got a ticket. You say its a loyalty scheme, but i think its a joke, there is no loyalty to season ticket holders what so ever.

For starters, this letter is a joke in itself, and if I didn't know any better then I'd say it was a wind-up. Secondly, it's the people who go to the 'poor games' who deserve loyality ahead of someone like you, whether you can't be arsed, can't afford it or whatever, it's all the same - you didn't attend so why should you then get first refusal of a Cup Final ticket? Thirdly, you're calling me a 'minor fan' are you? a non Season Ticket holder who has been to EVERY home game this season; league and cup, someone who shelled out £45.00 for a PTS Membership and someone who attends the 'poor games'. Well you've got a fuckin' cheek and you ought to get yer head out of your arse. Why should you have priority over someone who has been to previous round just because you are LUCKY enough and FORTUNATE enough to have a Season Ticket?

The whole letter is bollocks, complete and utter bollocks.

redannie · « **Reply #24 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:45:45 PM »

OK first off cards on table I am an OOT, PTS member - shock horror - who attends every home game be it league or cup.( That doesn't include Mancs and Bitters mysteriously PTS sales for these games sold out a couple of hours after going on sale!)

So desperate are my daughter and self to see our team live that we are willing to pay extra for tickets in the form of PTS membership. If we had season tickets I believe that we would be entitled to a discount for early payment but we have given up all hope of ever reaching the top of the season ticket list.

I am made up that at last non "seasies" are given the chance to get tickets for the big games based on loyalty. We missed out big time for the finals in treble year and I have to say it riles me that paying money up front is given as a valid reason to trample over regular, loyal supporters in the rush to go to the "big" games.

What's wrong with you getting a loyalty card? after all its free for you.

gregor · « **Reply #25 on:** May 6, 2005, 05:51:09 PM »

I was pissed off about the system for the Chelsea game, but that was becuase I had 5 credits on my fan card and someone who had 2 could get a ticket when I could. To give a ST holder who hadn't been to a CL game all season a semi final ticket would've been a fucking pisstake. EVERYONE knew the rules at the start of the season, and every ST knew that the club emloys a loyalty system.

Gray-YPC · « **Reply #26 on:** May 6, 2005, 06:54:32 PM »

The first thing they can do is do a countdown system.

For aways e.g:

8+ aways on fan card on sale Monday
6+ aways on fan card on sale Tuesday
4+ aways on fan card on sale Wednesday
2+ aways on fan card on sale Thursday
General sale on Friday

And the postal apps could be sorted the same way.

That way we wouldn't have the crazy situations like last season where Man City away went on sale to something daft like 3 aways (a local, easy to get to away at a new ground), meaning loads who had been to every game were scrambling.

That's just one thing I'd like to see introduced!

Gray-YPC · « **Reply #27 on:** May 6, 2005, 06:58:49 PM »

Quote from: gregor on May 6, 2005, 05:51:09 PM

I was pissed off about the system for the Chelsea game, but that was becuase I had 5 credits on my fan card and someone who had 2 could get a ticket when I could. To give a ST holder who hadn't been to a CL game all season a semi final ticket would've been a fucking pisstake. EVERYONE knew the rules at the start of the season, and every ST knew that the club emloys a loyalty system.

The thing is, you'll never please everbody.

What about those who work during the week? Playing devils advocate, someone could go to every weekend game, but because they are not Cup games they wouldn't qualify for a final. We'll never please everyone.

Saying that, there are a lot of improvements that could be made. The first would be a fans liason officer.

The second we be a group of knowledgable match going fans who would have a hand in discussin selling arrangemetns, so some of the crazy situations the club seem oblivious to could be avoided, e.g

7 aways (?) for Pompey last year v 3 (?) for Man City
Selling tickets straight after Euro aways, so those there can't get them
etc etc

Hightown Phil · « **Reply #28 on:** May 6, 2005, 07:13:35 PM »

Quote from: Bob Kurac on May 6, 2005, 05:15:35 PM

Utter drivel, so flawed it's not worth bothering with.

Nail, head, hit.

the brad · « **Reply #29 on:** May 6, 2005, 08:31:53 PM »

Quote from: gramck24 on May 6, 2005, 04:49:40 PM

What about the fans who are dying to get there hands on a season ticket and go all the games anyway??

The points system wouldn't work for me!!

could nt agree with you more

bez · « **Reply #30 on:** May 6, 2005, 08:32:51 PM »

KingKenny2 the letter is a joke, at least word it and structure it correctly! It will give Parry a laugh anyway.

Its comments like this that give us ST Holders a bad name, so I'm annoyed, you prat.

What are you arguing about? Chelsea was the only real cock up this season. We have first dibs on away games which is a massive benefit, last season I had 12 aways, this season 17, because of the priority system. This is by far the best amount of aways I've attended because I couldn't always get to the TO to get tiks in the first 2 days of sale or my serial number didn't come up. I've been to all home Euro and domestic cup games and away League Cup 2 games and 1 away Fa cup and 3away euros. So next season I'll be pretty much guaranteed a tik for every game because I've put myself out for the passion of LFC. I now have a 120mile round trip for home games. I could only say all that because I have a season ticket, so that is my reward for being a lucky ST holder.

If you want loyalty rewarding and you are a ST Holder then you have to put in the time like all the other fans and not expect a ticket on a golden plate. All seaso's who apply for turkey I believe will get one, so stop moaning and think yourself fortunate.

£500 outlay at the beginning of the season, so what? were all going to pay that now for Istanbul, and I bet there are not many people who have budgeted for that!!

I hope this reply helps your conscience

Kez · « **Reply #31 on:** May 6, 2005, 08:47:01 PM »

Total shite mate...absolute rubbish. Sure you stump up 500 quid at the start of the season - big whoop for you - but I spend more on the club than you do 'cos I pay per game and don't get a discount. AND I make the early rounds of the cup competitions - that's fucking loyalty mate. And those that sit there on FA and Carling Cup away matches in the pissing rain, freezing cold and watch us get kicked about by a non-entity side deserve to be more respected than me. Get in the queue...just 'cos you have £500 going spare at the start of the season doesn't make you special and finally the club are starting to realise that. A Season Ticket is a discounted season of PL home games - nothing more.

-HH- · « **Reply #32 on:** May 6, 2005, 08:58:44 PM »

Quote from: s@h on May 6, 2005, 08:47:01 PM

Total shite mate...absolute rubbish. Sure you stump up 500 quid at the start of the season - big whoop for you - but I spend more on the club than you do 'cos I pay per game and don't get a discount. AND I make the early rounds of the cup competitions - that's fucking loyalty mate. And those that sit there on FA and Carling Cup away matches in the pissing rain, freezing cold and watch us get kicked about by a non-entity side deserve to be more respected than me. Get in the queue...just 'cos you have £500 going spare at the start of the season doesn't make you special and finally the club are starting to realise that. A Season Ticket is a discounted season of PL home games - nothing more.

*sound of several nails being hit on their heads*

blert596 · « **Reply #33 on:** May 6, 2005, 09:20:07 PM »

Load of bollocks that letter mate in every way.

All your saying is because Im a season ticket holdar I should be garunteed tickets for all the big games. Absolute bollocks.

And I speak as a sT holder. Ive attended every home league game this season. Midweek or weekend. And that includes a 400 mile round trip to see Portsmouth and Blackburn and all of the other not so glamorous games. Ive not done any aways at weekends cos I have my kids at weekends (another 500m round trip), and basically theres no way work will give me any more time off that I have planned. Ive done a fair few Euro aways and all the homes. I'd like to think that the club would reward me NOT for holding a ST, but for going to the fucking matches.

Whatever situation your in, there will always be someone who goes to more games because they can, or sacrifices more to go to fewer games. Wether they're a ST holder or not is irrelevant. Apparantly ST holders will get preference for the CL final, which I will gladly take a ticket for if they decide that. But if they say priority is for fans who've been to all Euro aways, then cut it down by 2 for the next tranche then you wont hear me complaining.

As for the fan cards, just as easy to get credits on that if you dont go the game anyway. Just buy the ticket and pass it on, or get someone who is going to put it on their fan card. Ive seen it done, and done on here! So people with fan cards who havent been to all games will show up as attending all. I know ST holders next to me who havent been to half the matches....but someone will have credited them with a match as theres someone in their seat.

Its a no win situation, and it needs work done on it. BUT to think your entitled to one because you are fortunate enough to hold an ST is fucking ridiculous mate. $:-\$

Paul · « **Reply #34 on:** May 6, 2005, 09:55:47 PM »

cant afford £15 for midweek carling cup game, but can afford £30 - £70 plus travel for the final

get a grip will yer

retiredfootballer · « **Reply #35 on:** May 6, 2005, 10:17:17 PM »

can someone lock this thread? It's not even worth arguing. and it will go on and on and turn ugly...

kingkenny2: it's over, get a grip. you've learn your lesson this season so you better wise up on the next.

Demandred · « **Reply #36 on:** May 6, 2005, 10:17:40 PM »

Hmmm...you can't afford Euro games, midweek, £30
Where the f--k was everyone for Blackburn, midweek, £30?
Good example.

If i didn't find this so hilarious I think I'd take offence, but as it is I'll chuckle quietly while everyone else points out the couple of minor flaws in your otherwise well constructed argument.

Roger · « **Reply #37 on:** May 6, 2005, 10:19:15 PM »

They'll probably shred that letter to use as bedding for the ticket office hamster's cage.

Paul_McG · « **Reply #38 on:** May 6, 2005, 10:42:02 PM »

Got to admit I didnt read most of the letter , gave up when he was moaning but then said twice I was lucky in this instance.

What the f@ck do these people moan for , they have the right to go to every premiership home game , priority for away games , first dibs for the early Euro games but still the world is an evil place.
Pay for your season ticket and enjoy the games or hand it back.

A few who dont treasure the season ticket , give them away(sell) to any Tom , Dick or Harry and then people complain about the lack of atmosphere at home league games.

As many have stated a season ticket is Gold to any fan and that is your bonus not having to listen to the engaged tone.

Stop moaning , nothing in this world is ever fair if you dont get what you want.
I want a ticket to Instanbul but .............

Anyway I have bored myself now .

Letter that started it all was crap I would bin it after the 1st paragraph.

Rant over

Hightown Phil · « **Reply #39 on:** May 6, 2005, 11:55:15 PM »

Quote from: s@h on May 6, 2005, 08:47:01 PM

A Season Ticket is a discounted season of PL home games - nothing more.

If you get sorted for every game by postal, the only extra cost is the price of stamps and envelopes.

Author Topic: Dear Unlcle Rick (Read 2272 times)

hoonin