Topic: The reason we shouldn`t worry at all about finishing 4th.

[Code72]

I have been looking at our results and the bitters results after new year, and I must say I`m not worried at all when it comes to who will finish fourth.

The bitters:

Tottenham Hotspur-Everton 5-2   
Everton-Portsmouth 2-1   
Middlesbrough-Everton 1-1   
Everton-Charlton Athletic 0-1   
Everton-Norwich 1-0   
Southampton-Everton 2-2   
Everton-Chelsea 0-1   
Aston Villa-Everton 1-3   
Everton-Blackburn Rovers 0-1   
Liverpool-Everton 2-1 
West Bromwich-Everton 1-0

11 matches, 3 wins,2 draws, 6 losses

Liverpool F.C:

Liverpool-Chelsea 0-1  - Alonso injury.
Norwich-Liverpool 1-2   
Liverpool-Manchester United 0-1  - Morientes debut.
Southampton-Liverpool 2-0   
Charlton Athletic-Liverpool 1-2   
Liverpool-Fulham 3-1   
Birmingham City-Liverpool 2-0   
Newcastle United-Liverpool 1-0   
Liverpool-Blackburn Rovers 0-0   
Liverpool-Everton 2-1   
Liverpool-Bolton Wanderers 1-0  

11 matches, 5 wins, 1 draw, 5 losses.

We have had some poor results in this period, ecspecially Southampton and Birmingham away was absolutly crap, but it seems to me that we are hitting some kind of form, and our injury promblems seems to ease in the coming weeks, I think everybody knows what impact Alonso had before his injury, and when he`s back I really dont understand how we could not finish fourth considering our remaining matches and the bitters remaining matches.
The bitters are in poor form, and the only reason they still are fourth is some exceptionally bad performances away from home for us.The only teams they have beaten in the new year are Norwich, Pompey and a Villa team that is horrible on their off days.
And now they are up aginst some decent opposition in the remaining matches.

If we looks at the remaining matches of the season, I think we fans can sit back and relax, and just enjoy the ride.

I will now give my predictions on the remaining matches:

Liverpool F.C:

Manchester City-Liverpool- draw.
Liverpool-Tottenham Hotspur- win. 
Portsmouth-Liverpool- win.   
Crystal Palace-Liverpool- win.   
Liverpool-Middlesbrough- win.   
Arsenal- Liverpool- draw.     
Liverpool-Aston Villa- win.

09.04-Manchester City-Liverpool- draw.

Manchester City-Southampton 2-1   
Arsenal-Manchester City 1-1   
Manchester City-Crystal Palace 3-1   
West Bromwich Albion-Manchester City 2-0   
Manchester City-Newcastle United 1-1
Chelsea-Manchester City 0-0 
Manchester City-Manchester United 0-2   
Norwich-Manchester City 2-3   
Manchester City-Bolton Wanderers 0-1 -Keegan resigns. 
Tottenham Hotspur-Manchester City 2-1 - C.Reyna back after injury. 
Charlton Athletic-Manchester 2-2

11 matches, 2 wins, 4 draws, 5 losses.

Man City- Liverpool- Prediction draw.
Psycho`s first match as a manager at home, they have Reyna back at that will improve them alot, but I cant see us loose this one, considering our form away from home I`m satisfied with a draw but we could get away with all 3 points.

16.04-Liverpool-Tottenham Hotspur- win.

Tottenham Hotspur-Everton 5-2   
Manchester United-Tottenham Hotspur 0-0   
Tottenham Hotspur-Chelsea 0-2   
Crystal Palace-Tottenham Hotspur 3-0   
Bolton Wanderers-Tottenham Hotspur 3-1   
Tottenham Hotspur-Portsmouth 3-1   
Tottenham Hotspur-Fulham 2-0   
Southampton-Tottenham Hotspur 1-0   
Charlton Athletic-Tottenham Hotspur 2-0   
Tottenham Hotspur-Manchester City 2-1   
Birmingham City-Tottenham Hotspur 1-1 

11 matches, 4 wins, 2 draws, 5 losses.

Liverpool-Spurs: Prediction win.
We should beat Spurs at home, and Alonso may play a part in this one, 3 points almost guaranteed.

19.04-Portsmouth-Liverpool- win.

Portsmouth-Norwich 1-1   
Everton-Portsmouth 2-1   
Portsmouth-Blackburn Rovers 0-1   
Chelsea-Portsmouth 3-0   
Portsmouth-Middlesbrough 2-1   
Tottenham Hotspur-Portsmouth 3-1   
Portsmouth-Aston Villa 1-2
Manchester United-Portsmouth 2-1   
Arsenal-Portsmouth 3-0   
Portsmouth-Newcastle United 1-1   
Fulham-Portsmouth 3-1

11 matches, 1 win, 2 draws, 8 losses.

Pompey-Liverpool: Prediction win.
Look at their results, they are absolutly shite, and we shall win even if it is away from home. Baros will be back for this one, and I`m sure Alonso also will figure.

23.04-Crystal Palace-Liverpool- win.

Fulham-Crystal Palace 3-1   
Crystal Palace-Aston Villa 2-0   
Manchester City-Crystal Palace 3-1   
Crystal Palace-Tottenham Hotspur 3-0   
West Bromwich Albion-Crystal Palace 2-2   
Crystal Palace-Bolton Wanderers 0-1   
Arsenal-Crystal Palace 5-1   
Crystal Palace-Birmingham City 2-0   
Crystal Palace-Manchester United 0-0   
Chelsea-Crystal Palace 4-1   
Crystal Palace-Middlesbrough 0-1

11 matches, 3 wins, 2 draws, 6 losses.

Palace-Liverpool- Prediction win.
We are the better team and must win this one, we would have a few players back as well

30.04-Liverpool-Middlesbrough- win.

Middlesbrough-Manchester United 0-2   
Chelsea-Middlesbrough 2-0   
Middlesbrough-Everton 1-1   
Norwich-Middlesbrough 4-4   
Portsmouth-Middlesbrough 2-1   
Middlesbrough-Blackburn Rovers 1-0   
Bolton Wanderers-Middlesbrough 0-0   
Middlesbrough-Charlton Athletic 2-2   
Aston Villa-Middlesbrough 2-0   
Middlesbrough-Southampton 1-3   
Crystal Palace-Middlesbrough 0-1   

11 matches, 2 wins, 4 draws, 5 losses.

Liverpool-Boro: Prediction win.
We are solid at home, Boro could be a test, but I`m confident we will beat them, Anfield is our fortress!!

07.05-Arsenal- Liverpool- draw.

Charlton Athletic-Arsenal 1-3   
Arsenal-Manchester City 1-1   
Bolton Wanderers-Arsenal 1-0   
Arsenal-Newcastle United 1-0   
Arsenal-Manchester United 2-4   
Aston Villa-Arsenal 1-3   
Arsenal-Crystal Palace 5-1   
Southampton-Arsenal 1-1   
Arsenal-Portsmouth 3-0   
Blackburn Rovers-Arsenal 0-1   
Arsenal-Norwich 4-1 

11 matches, 7 wins, 2 draws, 2 losses.

Arsenal-Liverpool: Prediction draw.
Well I dont know, we could loose as well, but I fancy our chances and we have performed very good against the other top sides so far this season, we are in the quarter finals in the CL, are Gooners??

14.05-Liverpool-Aston Villa- win.

Aston Villa-Blackburn Rovers 1-0   
Crystal Palace-Aston Villa 2-0   
Aston Villa-Norwich 3-0   
Manchester United-Aston Villa 3-1   
Fulham-Aston Villa 1-1   
Aston Villa-Arsenal 1-3   
Portsmouth-Aston Villa 1-2   
Aston Villa-Everton 1-3   
Aston Villa-Middlesbrough 2-0   
Birmingham City-Aston Villa 2-0   
Newcastle United-Aston Villa 0-3 

11 matches, 5 wins, 1 draw, 5 losses.

Liverpool-Aston Villa: Prediction win.
Come on, Villa at home in the last match of the PL this season, I think we will be cruise`in!!
Even more sure if we are going to Istanbul later in May

We will then finish with 67 points.

I wont analyze the bitters matches in the same way, but here are my predictions.

The bitters:

Everton-Crystal Palace- win.   
Arsenal-Everton- loss.     
Everton-Manchester United- loss.   
Everton-Birmingham City- draw.     
Fulham-Everton- loss.   
Everton-Newcastle United- draw. 
Bolton Wanderers-Everton- draw.

The bitters will finish with only 57 points!!!

I really dont understand why we should worry, the bitters are very poor, and even if my predictions is a bit optimistic when it comes to our results, we will finish above them with a good margin.

In fact, I think the bitters would be lucky if they can get into the UEFA cup, cause Bolton, Charlton, Boro and even Spurs can all come from behind and make their season miserable, and if that happens, well the money they got from the sale of Gravesen, maybe dont taste so good after all.

The future looks bright, now bring on Juventus!!

[Red in Korea]

Everton have lost 4 in 5. Truth is they've been total crap since Graveson left.

Can't agree with your "we're hitting some kind of form" remark though. We need to get some points away. But with players coming back from injury, should be possible.

COME ON YOU REDS!

[COR]

We should, but you never know. I can see us losing against the mancs but then beating Arsenal. It's really all too unpredictable.

[stoz]

Can't agree with your "we're hitting some kind of form" remark though.

Agreed. We've had three consecutive home games against average opposition and been shockingly bad for at least 180 minutes.

[John Barnes, Anchorman]

I have been looking at our results and the bitters results after new year, and I must say I`m not worried at all when it comes to who will finish fourth.

The bitters:

Tottenham Hotspur-Everton 5-2  
Everton-Portsmouth 2-1  
Middlesbrough-Everton 1-1  
Everton-Charlton Athletic 0-1  
Everton-Norwich 1-0  
Southampton-Everton 2-2  
Everton-Chelsea 0-1  
Aston Villa-Everton 1-3  
Everton-Blackburn Rovers 0-1  
Liverpool-Everton 2-1 
West Bromwich-Everton 1-0

11 matches, 3 wins,2 draws, 6 losses

Liverpool F.C:

Liverpool-Chelsea 0-1  - Alonso injury.
Norwich-Liverpool 1-2  
Liverpool-Manchester United 0-1  - Morientes debut.
Southampton-Liverpool 2-0  
Charlton Athletic-Liverpool 1-2  
Liverpool-Fulham 3-1  
Birmingham City-Liverpool 2-0  
Newcastle United-Liverpool 1-0  
Liverpool-Blackburn Rovers 0-0  
Liverpool-Everton 2-1  
Liverpool-Bolton Wanderers 1-0  

11 matches, 5 wins, 1 draw, 5 losses.

We have had some poor results in this period, ecspecially Southampton and Birmingham away was absoulutly crap, but it seems to me that we are hitting some kind of form, and our injury promblems seems to ease in the coming weeks, I think everybody knows what impact Alonso had before his injury, and when he`s back I really dont understand how we could not finish fourth considering our remaining matches and the bitters remaining matches.
The bitters are in poor form, and the only reason they still are fourth is some exceptionally bad performances away from home for us.The only teams they have beaten in the new year are Norwich, Pompey and a Villa team that is horrible on their off days.
And now they are up aginst some decent opposition in the remaining matches.

If we looks at the remaining matches of the season, I think we fans can sit back and relax, and just enjoy the ride.

I will now give my predictions on the remaining matches:

Liverpool F.C:

Manchester City-Liverpool- draw.
Liverpool-Tottenham Hotspur- win. 
Portsmouth-Liverpool- win.   
Crystal Palace-Liverpool- win.   
Liverpool-Middlesbrough- win.   
Arsenal-Liverpool- draw.    
Liverpool-Aston Villa- win.

We will then finish with 67 points.

The bitters:

Everton-Crystal Palace- win.   
Arsenal-Everton- loss.    
Everton-Manchester United- loss.  
Everton-Birmingham City- draw.    
Fulham-Everton- loss.   
Everton-Newcastle United- draw. 
Bolton Wanderers-Everton- draw.

The bitters will finish with only 57 points!!!

I really dont understand why we should worry, the bitters are very poor, and even if my predictions is a bit optimistic when it comes to our results, we will finish above them with a good margin.

In fact, I think the bitters would be lucky if they can get into the UEFA cup, cause Bolton, Charlton, Boro and even Spurs can all come from behind and make their season miserable, and if that happens, well the money they got from the sale of Gravesen, maybe dont taste so good after all.

The future looks bright, now bring on Juventus!!

You really think we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season, win 2 away games in 4 days, and finish 10 points above Everton?

Can I have some of what you're on please? 

[Code72]

You really think we'll go unbeaten for the rest of the season, win 2 away games in 4 days, and finish 10 points above Everton?

Can I have some of what you're on please? 

Wait and see mate, wait and see!
I said I may was a bit to optimistic on our behalf, but I`m pretty sure we`ll finish more than 6 points above the bitters.

[God's Left Peg]

To be fair we must be due some sort of run now. We've been waiting for one all bloody season!

[Garcia10]

fingers crossed we hit some sort of consistancy rite about now and stick to it
alonso coming back is great news .. and cisse mite have a part to play yet in this season which is a bonus =)

lets keep it up and do this
come on u reds!

YNWA

[Walton-red]

  if we dont finish above them now theres a major problem, i wouldnt be suprised if they never got into europe at all

[Dowling10]

i am very very confident that we will get that 4th spot. I don't think it will b sorted by the last game fo the seasn either, and even if it was who would you put money on, Everton away to Arsenal or Liverpool at home to Villa ?

[mikeb58]

Everton play Arsenal in midweek before the final game of the season, which for them is Bolton away.

[waffle]

Im more worried about bolton, middlesbrough  get 4th of us than everton . ever since they lost graverson they have lacked anything in midfield

[philmcevatt]

Everton have lost 4 in 5. Truth is they've been total crap since Graveson left.

I said this to a my uncle who's a blue and he laughed at me. If i were manager i'd have kept Graveson during the winter window (finances permitting). Ok they got 2 mil for him, but look at their form since he left. He is the kind of player who drove them on and could have kept them stable enough to finish above us. Compare than 2 million to the money from the CL and losing a player on a free.... who may have stayed if they'd got in the CL.

Yeah, Moyes, he's a great manager...... Another couple of managerial masterstrokes like that and the bitters will be putting their passports back in the draw muttering how its our fault we finished above them and denied them europe.

[Code72]

I said this to a my uncle who's a blue and he laughed at me. If i were manager i'd have kept Graveson during the winter window (finances permitting). Ok they got 2 mil for him, but look at their form since he left. He is the kind of player who drove them on and could have kept them stable enough to finish above us. Compare than 2 million to the money from the CL and losing a player on a free.... who may have stayed if they'd got in the CL.

Yeah, Moyes, he's a great manager...... Another couple of managerial masterstrokes like that and the bitters will be putting their passports back in the draw muttering how its our fault we finished above them and denied them europe.

 
Absolutly a managerial masterstroke!!

[lfcdave]

If we can capatilise in the next couple of games i think that will do it. Evertons belief will be shot but if we let them of the hook again im still not sure. Bolton still aren't out of it

[Dowling10]

Graveson was a good player for them, kept them going.
Does anbody know were my "West Brom 1-0 Everton. We Will get that 4th spot gone" thread ? 

[Code72]

Graveson was a good player for them, kept them going.
Does anbody know were my "West Brom 1-0 Everton. We Will get that 4th spot gone" thread ? 

It has been moved to the general footy forum.

[Dowling10]

"West Brom 1-0 Everton. We will get that 4th spot" sorry

[Ed-Zeppelin]

Absolutly a managerial masterstroke!!

Not forgetting their 'huge' Jan signing Beattie, who's now out for a month or so with knee problems!

I bet his 'hugeness' will be even greater having not played for a month! 

[Matty8]

I am fuckin made up the bitters got a good hammering and could this be the dip in form for the jammy bastards we have been waiting for.

HaHa Twats

[Vinay]

I had Liverpool losing away at Arsenal since the begining of the season.  I don't think we will come back with anything from ther to be honest.

However, as for the bitters, it is theirs to lose really.  They are fucking up now, albeit late, late in the season.  They probably will lose at Bolton too, but they should beat Birmingham and at least draw with Fulham.  It will be a bit closer than the 10 points gap mentioned above!  May be 3-5 points, in our advantage...

[FlashingBlade]

er!...excuse me but have you been watching Liverppol this season?...Bolton was typical..even taking into account the injuries..did anyone really see a goal coming?......two defeats are likely at Prosmouth and Palace....based on our performances this season....maybe even a slip up City..they're playing ok'ish for Pearce and Robbie's hitting form....but!!...the Blues are true to their name and are indeed shite!...so hope in your hearts and all that stuff!

[Athers]

If you're using the 2005 Premiership results as a pre-curser for the next 7, then Bolton would finish 4th as Bolton are P11 W7 D2 L2 for league games in 2005

However I don't think you'll agree somehow

[fudge]

Find it hard to see where any sort of consistent run from us is going to come from given the season so far.

But i am optimistic , if only for the fact that we seem to be blessed that whichever shithouse team we've faced in the battle for fourth over the last few years seems to have complete collapse leaving us to take it by default.

[RayO'Biscan]

But i am optimistic , if only for the fact that we seem to be blessed that whichever shithouse team we've faced in the battle for fourth over the last few years seems to have complete collapse leaving us to take it by default.

Like Chelsea in '03? 

[Athers]

Nope Athers, especially when you have visits to teams like Villa, Pompey and Charlton, as well as a home tie with chelsea.
I just hope that you and Everton will have to win the last game of the season to secure fifth and Jay Jay scores a scorcher to sink the Toffees.

I think our chances for 4th were almost finished yesterday, "you never know in football" though I suppose. I'd happily take 5th or 6th or even 7th dependent on the cup finalists. Not worried by any opposition though really though. Think if anyone can beat Chelsea it's us.

As for Okocha scoring a screamer - unlikely, but he was only a foot or so away yesterday so maybe he's just getting his eye in

[fudge]

Like Chelsea in '03? 

Yeah i did mean the years we could actually be arsed trying to qualify, basically the years we didn't completely bottle it a la Charlton, Ipswich, Villa, Everton and Newcastle

[Code72]

I think Bolton will have good chances to finish above the bitters Athers, the last match of the season will be crucial I think!!


 


 

[RayO'Biscan]

I hereby declare that we have 60 points in the end. If it is enough for the 4th place, dunno. My crystal ball was a bit fuzzy on that.

[chris.bonnie]

i think we`ll get 4th

but i think some people are getting a wee bit cocky at the moment, i reckon we`ll beat city, and with a bit of luck that will see us getting 4th next week

if that happens, the bitters wont get it back, their confidence will be shot and all they`ll have on us is that they own the NWDA and they can scupper our new stadium

[Sat1]

Im confident we'll beat City and Place will get a result against Blue Shite.

This time next week week we'll be be 4th

[Code72]

i think we`ll get 4th

but i think some people are getting a wee bit cocky at the moment, i reckon we`ll beat city, and with a bit of luck that will see us getting 4th next week

if that happens, the bitters wont get it back, their confidence will be shot and all they`ll have on us is that they own the NWDA and they can scupper our new stadium

I hope you dont think I`m cocky just because we now are only 1 point behind the bitters, I have predicted this scenario for weeks mate!!

[Hugh]

If the Blues self destruct completely and we continue are same old ropy form which will probably see us lose at least another three games this season then we might just stumble on into fourth but otherwise I'm still not brimming with confidence.

Nothing inspires confidence about our domestic form at the moment to be honest.

[Gnurglan]

We should get 4th.

[mikeb58]

Everton have just lost 3 games on the bounce by a single goal, earlier on in the season they were grabbing loads of late equalisers or winners. It's just not happening for them at the wrong time, it's up to us now to take full advantage.

A few weeks ago Everton had a couple of chances to open a 10 or 11 point lead, the fact that it's now down to just 1, will test what they're made of. If there arses go completely we could stroll to a 4th spot, if they might a decent fight of it it'll still be very close. For the 1st time in ages however, after this weekends results, I believe we will finish 4th.

[Code72]

If the Blues self destruct completely and we continue are same old ropy form which will probably see us lose at least another three games this season then we might just stumble on into fourth but otherwise I'm still not brimming with confidence.

Nothing inspires confidence about our domestic form at the moment to be honest.

Since 22 of feb, we have played 7 matches, and it has given us 4 wins, 2 draws(I include the CC final here) and one loss against a Newcastle side that defended brilliantly!!
If we consider all the injuries we`ve had at the same time, and that some players are on their way back(Alonso) well then I can only be optimistic!!

I also think I can defend my comment about us hitting some kind of form.
Even if the football may not have been magnificent we have got results and thats all that matters in this part of the season!!

[Hugh]

I also think I can defend my comment about us hitting some kind of form.
Even if the football not have been magnificent we have got results and thats all that matters in this part of the season!!

Oh I'll gladly settle for shite performances but the right results.

[LadyLala]

I'm more worried about us than Everton. Everton will undoubtedly drop a lot of points between now and the end of the season. Only question is whether we'll drop points like them or not. Ok, the common belief is that even if we do drop points, we won't drop as much points as Everton simply because we're Liverpool... but precisely! We're Liverpool... and Liverpool, from what I know, is just too unpredictable. We can win Arsenal on one day, and lose to some relegation-threatened team the next day. One thing I've realised is that you can NEVER PREDICT with Liverpool. That's why I've given up all hope of predicting the results for our remaining matches. Every match is unpredictable. No, it's never a sure win against Portsmouth (away), Crystal Palace (away) and Aston Villa (home).

You just never know with Liverpool.

Although common sense tells me that Liverpool will never drop more points than Everton, but the fact that we're behind them currently (yah, even though it's only 1 point, but the fact still remains) seems to refute that belief. Everton have dropped a lot of points, but we've failed to capitalise on that on many many occasions. Suppose we do go ahead of them in the next few games, we'll still be under pressure, because Everton, and other teams, will be looking to capitalise on any points dropped by us like we're trying to do right now.

It won't be easy.
The fact is it won't be as easy as some of you think to get that 4th place.
 

[Fanxxxxtastic]

I'm firmly of the belief that Rafa has instilled some kind of belief into the players over the past couple of games.  They've become a more hardy bunch, and capable of fighting a lot harder.  If they can maintain this kind of resillience, I see no reason why we can't secure 4th place.

I watched the WBA v Blueshite game this afternoon, and felt that Stubbs had the look of a man who had shat his shorts before kick off.  They're a team on the wobble, and there for the taking.

[Code72]

I'm more worried about us than Everton. Everton will undoubtedly drop a lot of points between now and the end of the season. Only question is whether we'll drop points like them or not. Ok, the common belief is that even if we do drop points, we won't drop as much points as Everton simply because we're Liverpool... but precisely! We're Liverpool... and Liverpool, from what I know, is just too unpredictable. We can win Arsenal on one day, and lose to some relegation-threatened team the next day. One thing I've realised is that you can NEVER PREDICT with Liverpool. That's why I've given up all hope of predicting the results for our remaining matches. Every match is unpredictable. No, it's never a sure win against Portsmouth (away), Crystal Palace (away) and Aston Villa (home).

You just never know with Liverpool.

Although common sense tells me that Liverpool will never drop more points than Everton, but the fact that we're behind them currently (yah, even though it's only 1 point, but the fact still remains) seems to refute that belief. Everton have dropped a lot of points, but we've failed to capitalise on that on many many occasions. Suppose we do go ahead of them in the next few games, we'll still be under pressure, because Everton, and other teams, will be looking to capitalise on any points dropped by us like we're trying to do right now.

It won't be easy.
The fact is it won't be as easy as some of you think to get that 4th place.
 

The bitters with or without T.Gravesen is two different sides, with the form the bitters have produced in the new year they would have been in the relegation zone if it not was for the good run they had with Gravesen in their side!!

My prediction is that the bitters will finish in 7th or 8th positsion in the end!!