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Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« on: November 23, 2004, 09:41:31 PM »
I feel so sorry for Rafa, picking up a pretty dire squad from Houllier, Owen leaving, the whole Gerrard/Chelsea debacle  :butt

Garcia's 'goal' against Bolton disallowed;
Garcia's 'goal' against 'Boro disallowed;
Gerrard's injury Vs Man Utd;
Baros, Cisse, Josemi and Garcia's injuries;
Saviola's 'goal' being allowed...

Anything else to add?  Oh, Gerrard leaving in Jan?  FFS... :no

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 09:43:45 PM »
We had plenty of bad luck and bad injuries last season too...

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 09:44:16 PM »
Penalty for Gerrard against Spurs waved away.

Penalty for Baros against Man City waved away.

Penalty for Baros (in first half) against Palace waved away.


I feel so sorry for Rafa, picking up a pretty dire squad from Houllier,

Don't agree with that - it's not the best squad, but it's not dire.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2004, 09:45:51 PM »
Ok, Paul Tomkins, a limited squad.  It wasn't the worst but surely not the best!

Can't wait to see The Squad That Rafa Built  ;D

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2004, 09:45:52 PM »
Birmingham handball on the line.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2004, 09:46:58 PM »
The knee of Nunez
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2004, 09:46:59 PM »
Nunez injury  :no

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2004, 09:48:26 PM »
Shite performances.
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2004, 09:48:33 PM »
1 second apart, AdamS!

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2004, 09:49:15 PM »
LOL @ Pheeny!  :-X

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Injuries, bad luck or...?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2004, 09:49:43 PM »
Well inspired by my rotten mood after that bloody shambolic goal which should have been disallowed and two fresh injuries, im beginning to wonder, is it just bad luck? It was quite well publicised that training has become much, much harder under Benitez and the new staff. More work on fitness which is bound to have a big effect on the body, a lot more strenuous. Is this contributing to the injuries that our players are getting? I personally doubt it but just something I was thinking about.

The other theory ive heard being bandied about is, are the players warming up properly? This would have an obvious effect, cold muscles and all that, especially after looking at Garcia pulling up tonight. Maybe our players are just a little bit frailer than everyone elses. maybe it really is just very, very, very, very bad luck.

I personally am completely in the dark about things like this, I do know not warming up properly is very dangerous, playing both basketball and football a vigorous warm up is deemed crucial. Anyone who knows a bit more about the human physique than myself can probably give some sort of idea on how harder training would effect the players in terms of stress on their bodes.

My opinion having though about it a bit is it must be bad luck, I mean I hope it would be anyway, taking into account that both Josemi's and Cisse's were complete freak incidents being one reason. The other being the fact that our coaches are professionals and should have an extensive knowledge of what the players can and cant cope with in terms of physical stress.

Would be interesting to hear any other opinions, especially from people who know what their talking about, because I evidently dont  :)
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2004, 09:50:00 PM »
1 second apart, AdamS!
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2004, 09:50:42 PM »
I always knew that Adam came first  :P
Glad you've been studying the bible.

Now say us a few prayers will you? ::)
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2004, 09:59:07 PM »
SkyBlueRed, I really believe it's bad luck.  I could be totally naive, I admit.

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Re: Injuries, bad luck or...?
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2004, 10:04:32 PM »
Is this contributing to the injuries that our players are getting?

No, how does fitness training have anything to do with a big fuck off cut on the head?

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2004, 10:05:22 PM »
Smicer's knee - another attacking player crocked.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2004, 10:07:15 PM »
Muscle strains can happen no matter what you do. Obviously better preparation and warm-ups help, but you cannot eradicate them completely. It can be a freak of nature.

We've only had two bad muscle injuries - Baros and Luis Garcia, with Kewell having lots of niggly ones.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2004, 10:07:23 PM »
i bet he was gutted when Garcia was down the very beginning of the match...well i was  :butt
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2004, 10:09:18 PM »
There must surely be some provision in the FA's rules where under an injury epidemic of a certain position (except goalkeeper) that you can sign a player outside the transfer window? Or is there simply no accounting for common sense?
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Re: Injuries, bad luck or...?
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2004, 10:10:13 PM »
No, how does fitness training have anything to do with a big fuck off cut on the head?

You obviously didnt read my post, nice one... but here just for you, from the same post...

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My opinion having though about it a bit is it must be bad luck, I mean I hope it would be anyway, taking into account that both Josemi's and Cisse's were complete freak incidents
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2004, 10:13:27 PM »
The attacking players we have on our books:

Baros
Cisse
Mellor
Pongolle
Luis Garcia
Kewell
Nunez
Smicer
Cheyrou
Le Tallec
Diouf

3 are fit, 5 are injured and 3 are out on loan. (And 1 was even injured out on loan!  :-\ )

And we've now got nobody who can really play right side on Sunday.

Sunday?

Kirkland
Finnan
Carra
Hyypia
Traore
Kewell
Alonso
Hamann
Gerrard
Riise
Mellor

is what we have to play. We have no choice do we? Apart from Biscan or Hamann I guess.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2004, 10:14:16 PM »
Looks like Potter may get called upon?
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2004, 10:14:32 PM »
A sunshiner here, come on Lads cheer up!!!  ;)
I know we can keep moaning about anything including bad luck, refs, pitch and everything but that's not good enough for the players to improve their performances.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #23 on: November 23, 2004, 10:14:59 PM »
Buggeration.

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Re: Injuries, bad luck or...?
« Reply #24 on: November 23, 2004, 10:17:53 PM »
You obviously didnt read my post, nice one... but here just for you, from the same post...
  :wave

I just picked that point out, didn't notice the other bit to be honest.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2004, 10:18:18 PM »
Boo hoo.

Bad luck is part and parcel of the game. Sure, the goal shouldnt have stood tonight but our defence shouldnt just freeze. Sort the danger out and then appeal to the ref. We were crap tonight, Monaco not much better.

We'll go through but no point blaming bad luck for our season, we'll start sounding like Souness in a minute or dare I say our previous manager who was criticised for always bemoaning his luck.
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2004, 10:18:37 PM »
I'd drop the hopeless Kewell and the easily sussed Riise and frighten the Arsenal to death with Partridge and Potter...
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2004, 10:18:37 PM »
Well, as a positive, my little pic by my username is nice ;)

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Re: Injuries, bad luck or...?
« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2004, 11:44:43 PM »
The other theory ive heard being bandied about is, are the players warming up properly? This would have an obvious effect, cold muscles and all that, especially after looking at Garcia pulling up tonight. Maybe our players are just a little bit frailer than everyone elses. maybe it really is just very, very, very, very bad luck.

I was thinking the same, lets hope theyre not being worked too hard, its just one of the things you have to look at. I think Barca have looked at their training after Larsson picked up a knee injury (the 3rd or 4th this year)

looks like Garcia's out for a coupla weeks now, we're down to the bare bones against Arsenal  :-[

That said, I dont think we should look to make excuses like this else the players will start to believe that theyre cant play or score without such n such in the side.
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #29 on: November 23, 2004, 11:48:51 PM »
Don't agree with that - it's not the best squad, but it's not dire.

Benitez was surprised and impressed by its quality when he arrived here, if y'all recall

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #30 on: November 23, 2004, 11:52:10 PM »
Benitez was surprised and impressed by its quality when he arrived here, if y'all recall
well he's not likely to say its shit is he.
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2004, 12:12:15 AM »
I'm back....
Alright lads, I can't hide my feeling, although I have been trying to be optimistic.... :(
I can't see we through to the next round. A draw is enough for Olympiakos therefore they will come to Anfield with an aim not to concede a goal. We know they can defend well, have dangerous counter attack and they have a game plan and also very good in applying it.
If say we can score, then 1-0 is probably the most we can get from an open play because we don't have our main strikers. Perhaps we can get another penalty (and therefore we need the refs to help us, I'm serious, not just a fair officials but the ones who will give decisions in favour of us).
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2004, 12:22:54 AM »
Benitez is a good manager. He drops racist Armada crowd favorite Alonso after his travels with Spain and being caught out at Boro. And plays the gran Didi and Gerrard together. Garcia falls down and the obvious choice to keep playing that system is Kewell in. But you are giving him a hard time, he has no confidence and Benitez says that he is not fit enough to work ninety minutes at this pace. So he plays safe and in goes Josemi. What a start! He looked on the verge of a breakdown on his three first touches. But he is a solid working guy and he kept at it. Before Josemi got injured Benitez could have done a few things up and in the middle. But I dont think he could do them anymore.

No crying. Benitez gives respect to the players and treats them well and they would play for him.

On injuries, people at Valencia have said that too many players are injured now with Ranieri because of the hard work with Benitez in the past. But there was bad feeling with the board there at the end. The guys injured as far as I know are the ones who played as well with Spain in the summer, with Argentina in the Olympics or had bad clashes. So I dont believe it much. I dont think that at that level they train the players so badly to get so many injuries. Baros and specially Gerrard have had a lot of matches and training in the year. Cisse and Josemi's bad luck are freaks and it may be had more to do with both of them being anxious to get in and do something than with physics and too much gym. May be it is the same with Nuñez getting hurt after just landing.

If you get in the CL may be the board should spend in January on a striker. But if not Benitez is giving all the players a fair ride and they dont look like rotten. They tried tonite. And they did a pretty decent defensive first half after Garcia limping out and all the new conecction with Gerrard, Biscan and Mellor just fused.

I bet he tries to play now Gerrad more forward like he tried when all were fit. Didi recovering the ball as usual and Alonso by his side moving the ball around and Gerrad entering forward from the wing and centre :o. Benitez needs more now of Gerrad going for the area and shooting at goal than kicking long balls across the pitch.

Saviola did the Hand of God number on a cross that was going over his head before the goal, right?. You have to give it to the argies. No one does it better than them.

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2004, 12:29:15 AM »
Injury is waiting for the players in these days' games, especially when you play pressing games like the way Rafa wants us to play. Luis perhaps has been playing more matches than he used to be for Barca, meanwhile Milan also played tirelessly both for us and also the Czechs. That's why Rafa wants to rotate the players. It's part of the game but it doesn't help us during this crucial time...

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2004, 12:45:27 AM »
He drops racist Armada crowd favorite Alonso after his travels with Spain and being caught out at Boro.
Is he racist really?

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Saviola did the Hand of God number on a cross that was going over his head before the goal, right?. You have to give it to the argies. No one does it better than them.
I said that to my dad earlier too, seems to have gone unnoticed in the eyes of the ref.
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2004, 12:55:24 AM »
It's a f****** frustrating nite. The standard of refreeing is getting worse. That joker was standing behind the player & he didn't see it, and where's the linesman. The fact that Saviola reaction after scoring tell me that he well known that it's a handball. :upyours

And with the injuries piling up, looks like another winless run we had as of last season on this very month of november. I do not want to criticise any player, but mellor isn't doing himself any justice. Control is not good, never pressure the opposition, the least he could do is come and get the ball. And the last straw for me was he played the ball even though the whistle was blown during the injury time. As the commentator said, he is wasting our time. :wanker
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2004, 08:34:36 AM »
What's this? People moaning and making excuses because of injuries? The same thing Houllier did last season and got slated for...
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2004, 08:44:15 AM »
What's this? People moaning and making excuses because of injuries? The same thing Houllier did last season and got slated for...

I would think this season is worse than the last one. That's why we start moaning. Can you recall how many players got injured last year when GH started moaning? I believe it was 2...(Gerrard and Owen).

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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2004, 08:46:21 AM »
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Re: Our catalogue of bad luck...poor Rafa...
« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2004, 08:46:33 AM »
Benitez is a good manager. He drops racist Armada crowd favorite Alonso after his travels with Spain

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