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Re: black players
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2004, 04:27:44 PM »
I always thought it was the bluenoses who threw bananas on the pitch at digger,maybe I am wrong,but he did flick one up and play sorta keepy-up with it,or am I starting to go senile ;D
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Re: black players
« Reply #41 on: October 14, 2004, 04:29:56 PM »
...if barnes had been shite would you still be abusing black players........and if hillsborough hadnt happened youd all still be singing "whose that lying on the runway"?

not being flippant here by the way.....truly interested to know what you think

I believe the skill of  Johnny Barnes (not just on the football field but above all his communication skills off it )accelerated the enlightment process by  helping silence  99% of the  stubborn racist MINORITY that might not otherwise have stopped  the abuse & still haven't in some places  ....
.. the MAJORITY were always on their way to enlightenment, as at all other clubs, just through  changes in many  prevailing social attitudes ....

I  believe that Hillsborough  is the number one factor in  why  so  few Liverpool fans now sing the Munich song compared to the early eighties (now a TINY monority rather than a very big  minority)

  But as Bolton fans (who claim  to have invented it ) & Leeds now also sing it less, apparently, too, we can presumably just assume that  a lot of the nasty  tribalism has been diluted with the changes in the (ahem) social profile of the crowds  everywhere  & that the singing of this vile song  (which  I  did myself  on occasions in 70s/80s   :-[ , wrongly thinking of it as 'black humour' - how ironic is that term in this discussion- rather than sick taunting )  would have rapidly declined even without Hillsborough.
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Re: black players
« Reply #42 on: October 14, 2004, 04:30:20 PM »
But you're wrong.

No sale.

As long as some of us adhere to the stereotype then I am whatever I say I am.  ;) 8)

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Re: black players
« Reply #43 on: October 14, 2004, 04:32:30 PM »


No sale.

As long as some of us adhere to the stereotype then I am whatever I say I am.  ;) 8)


Nah. I only meant it was wrong to think it's cool to paper over the cracks. Much cooler to say Yes, that happened, we should accept it, understand and ensure it never happens again.


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Re: black players
« Reply #44 on: October 14, 2004, 04:34:27 PM »



Nah. I only meant it was wrong to think it's cool to paper over the cracks. Much cooler to say Yes, that happened, we should accept it, understand and ensure it never happens again.



Agreed.

But I truly believe that there was more acceptance at LFC than any other big Club in the country. :)
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Re: black players
« Reply #45 on: October 14, 2004, 04:44:58 PM »
well i know from an employee within the club that everton is as bad today as it was in the 80's. my uncle goes the match most weekends and he says its improved but theres still a racist element at anfield, so compared to clubs like arsenal liverpool are a fair way behind.

england fans in general are pretty bad despite the fact half the england team is made of black players.   

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Re: black players
« Reply #46 on: October 14, 2004, 04:53:52 PM »
Did Justin Fashanu ever come out while he was playing? Or did that come out after he died? Sorry I dont remember

He never officialy 'came out' while he was playing top flight footy. But it was a bad kept secret amongest his team mates and manager at the time. He became Britain's first 1 million pound black footballer at the age of 19, signing for highly successful Nott'm Forest. Pressure was already on, but by the time Cloughie had finished with him he was soul destroyed.

Story goes that Clough got on to all the stories and rumours of Fashanu visiting gay clubs and basically abused him... Even called him "a bloody poof" publically, if I recall?

Fashanu had to face racism, homophobia and the pressure of being Britain's first £1m black footballer at the age of 19.
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Re: black players
« Reply #47 on: October 14, 2004, 04:59:08 PM »
Speaking as an Indian fan, who first went in 1984, I can tell you I was always more scared of my fellow Liverpool fans than the opposition. Liverpool did have a racist reputation and the Asian Mancs used to take the piss out of us for not being welcomed at matches. They were more regular match-goers as United didn't have the racist reputation. Right upto about 94 I always wore Liverpool colours to United games so that I wasn't mistaken for a Manc.

I have also only ever been to one Derby and give my ticket away for this game......don't feel safe.

Some of the older fans will probably tell you that Liverpool took great pride in being all-white and I often took racist abuse because of it.

Even now, I am careful and there are many grounds I won't go to, eg North-East.

I don't blame anyone for this......if people are racist, so be it and I was an outsider to the city as well as the club,.....I could understand people not wanting me there..... problem is, I love this club. 
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Re: black players
« Reply #48 on: October 14, 2004, 05:06:20 PM »
This is an interesting topic. Having lived in America for many years I've witnessed the emergence of the black athlete to what it is today. When blacks were finally given their chance to excel, they did just that. Their athletic superiority can probably be related to the physiology of the body but that's another story in itself.

My guess is that 80% of the NBA is black and probably 75% of the NFL. Teams in America are assembled according to talent, not colour. Most spectators pay to see the best talent on display and aren't concerned with colour. Having said that, there's always idiots amongst us all. I attended an American football game recently at Giants Stadium and there were 76, 000 in attendance. Without fear of exaggeration I sidn't see more than 15 black spectators in the crowd and mentioned this to the guy sitting on my left. "Yeah, I know" he said  "they're all down on the field".

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Re: black players
« Reply #49 on: October 14, 2004, 05:11:48 PM »
in the program last night, they were talking about an Everton player - Mike Trebilcock. He scored twice in the 1966 FA cup final, and would probably have had the same impact as JB had at Liverpool. Except England won the word cup a few weeks later, and his achivement was pretty much forgotten about.

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Re: black players
« Reply #50 on: October 14, 2004, 05:12:38 PM »


Just a two cents worth but there are places that are many times worse than anywhere in England at the moment - recent racist chanting in Eastern Europe has been shocking and yet UEFA don't seem to be able to manage to get clubs to stamp it out.

Lazio (and Roma) fans are also disgraceful, when Sven was manager of Lazio he said he was shocked at the level of racists at matches there (even when he played black players for Lazio!!!)

Another thing that worries me is the comments made by Atkinson / Aragones, they are only the ones that have been picked up by the media, both times because those two were stupid enough to get caught - it makes me wonder, there must be tons more of this going on that never gets publicised.



So, yeah I think attitudes have definitely changed for the better but also it will be a long time before racism ceases to be even an undercurrent.



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Re: black players
« Reply #51 on: October 14, 2004, 05:21:51 PM »


I'm sure i'm not alone when i say i find this thread rather stimulating to read, though i should do some work before i get sacked!!

However i wanted to comment that i believe within English football things are changing for the better!!

When i was a young lad (not so long ago as i am only 20) my parents refused to take me to games, this due to there impression of English Football is based on yester years and that it is full of Racist Hooligans and not the place for a black people.
     Often i am asked why are you a Liverpool Supporter when you are born and bred in London, My answer always consists of "My love of liverpool has so much to do with John Barnes" Its amazing the trials and tribulations he went through to achieve what he did and i draw great strength from that.
     I didnt attend my first Liverpool game until i left home to go university and i am always envious when i read of other peoples recollections of the past, I've just finished Evo's 1st book and thats only increased my envy. I now try to go as much as possible and have no negative experiences to recollect, in fact its always very warming to be greeted by smiles when " Liverpool Support the Let's Kick Racism out of Football Campaign" is belted over the tannoy. I love this club and very much hope i can pass this on to any kids i have in the future.

 My views on racism is that it exists both ways, on a smaller scale than before, Minorities in general are faced with disadvantages but all can be overcome with work, too many people of various colurs find execuses for non achivement!! My view on racism is very blunt!! and very much of the opinion that it cannot stop me from achieving what i want to achieve.
 
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Re: black players
« Reply #52 on: October 14, 2004, 05:28:48 PM »
although i think the racist abuse is more a case of 'say anything that hurts em' to an extent.


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Re: black players
« Reply #53 on: October 14, 2004, 05:34:11 PM »
I think football is a pretty rascist sport. There are a few who don't class themselves as racist yet will criticise a player using his nationality, French, German et cetera.

I don't really think I can add much, I am too young to have seen the emergence of Black players as significant. To me they were just players. I agree with most things said, however not only would I never abuse a black player, but as I have said before, Hillsborough or not: I would never sing about Munich.

I don't care that some of 'their fans' sing about ours. They're sick and don't bother me because if they really are that sad and pathetic, they're the ones with the problem.

When people die they leave heartbroken families and friends behind. Those who have lost someone close to them will know that you never get over that heartbreak. Singing about the death of others in such a way is just vile and is a representation of the people singing it.
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Re: black players
« Reply #54 on: October 14, 2004, 05:40:45 PM »
Speaking as an Indian fan, who first went in 1984, I can tell you I was always more scared of my fellow Liverpool fans than the opposition. Liverpool did have a racist reputation and the Asian Mancs used to take the piss out of us for not being welcomed at matches. They were more regular match-goers as United didn't have the racist reputation. Right upto about 94 I always wore Liverpool colours to United games so that I wasn't mistaken for a Manc.

I have also only ever been to one Derby and give my ticket away for this game......don't feel safe.

Some of the older fans will probably tell you that Liverpool took great pride in being all-white and I often took racist abuse because of it.

Even now, I am careful and there are many grounds I won't go to, eg North-East.

I don't blame anyone for this......if people are racist, so be it and I was an outsider to the city as well as the club,.....I could understand people not wanting me there..... problem is, I love this club. 

This is SURELY the most important post on this thread, reminding us as fellow  fans to do what we can to challenge dodgy attitudes whenever we encounter them.  I'm not preaching here, just giving myself a wake up call as much as anything.

I think football is a pretty rascist sport. There are a few who don't class themselves as racist yet will criticise a player using his nationality, French, German et cetera.

I don't really think I can add much, I am too young to have seen the emergence of Black players as significant. To me they were just players. I agree with most things said, however not only would I never abuse a black player, but as I have said before, Hillsborough or not: I would never sing about Munich.

I don't care that some of 'their fans' sing about ours. They're sick and don't bother me because if they really are that sad and pathetic, they're the ones with the problem.

When people die they leave heartbroken families and friends behind. Those who have lost someone close to them will know that you never get over that heartbreak. Singing about the death of others in such a way is just vile and is a representation of the people singing it.

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Re: black players
« Reply #55 on: October 14, 2004, 06:20:03 PM »
Sikhi,  if you wear your turban all the time, don't you think that you may have been treated with more disrespect because of it and what it's (mis)perceived to be than any perception of being black?

My point being that there may be more a modicum of acceptance of 'British' blacks than 'foreigners'.

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Re: black players
« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2004, 06:36:51 PM »
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I always thought it was the bluenoses who threw bananas on the pitch at digger,maybe I am wrong,but he did flick one up and play sorta keepy-up with it,or am I starting to go senile

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Re: black players
« Reply #57 on: October 14, 2004, 06:41:37 PM »
oddly i've been treated with prejudice for being scouse more often than being black, now thats odd.
if a greater mix of people went the match then we would go some way to solving the problem of racism in football ie keep your offences within your house, we need to see more asian footballers as theres only michael chopra i can think of - thats a disgrace really. so its no wonder racism is rife. 

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Re: black players
« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2004, 06:51:07 PM »
1. Henrik Larson
2. John Barnes
3. Ian Wright

Surely that must only be the players who have appeared in Britain? Cos you could name about 10 Brazilian's before those 3!
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Re: black players
« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2004, 06:58:13 PM »
Sikhi, if you wear your turban all the time, don't you think that you may have been treated with more disrespect because of it and what it's (mis)perceived to be than any perception of being black?

My point being that there may be more a modicum of acceptance of 'British' blacks than 'foreigners'.

Yet on the converse side of that there's a sikh Red who is seen at every home and away game and every away game I've been to in Europe for the last number of years.
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« Reply #60 on: October 14, 2004, 07:41:40 PM »
The banana at Arsenal definately came from the Liverpool section, we had over half the clock end that day and the usual seats at the side. The banana came from towards the corner flag.

I went to the pre season at Celtic and one or two songs went up from the Liverpool section from a couple of small groups "Barnesy is white" and "there's only one scouse nigger", by the time Coventry away came around, Barnes had the crowd.

Every crowd will have it's racists and Liverpool did get a bit of a vocally racist crowd in the mid 80's.

Looking back and it's shameful to say this, but if Barnes had flopped we'd have waited a long long time before we 'd have another black player come here.

1987/90 he was immense, anyone who sees Henry destroy teams now won't have it that Barnes did exactly that from the wing, that's how good he was as a player.

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Re: black players
« Reply #61 on: October 14, 2004, 09:37:25 PM »
Just a two cents worth but there are places that are many times worse than anywhere in England at the moment - recent racist chanting in Eastern Europe has been shocking and yet UEFA don't seem to be able to manage to get clubs to stamp it out.

Lazio (and Roma) fans are also disgraceful, when Sven was manager of Lazio he said he was shocked at the level of racists at matches there (even when he played black players for Lazio!!!)

In general the italians do seem to be more racist than the british in more than just football, whether its towards immigrants or ethnic minorities, a friend of mine was visiting from italy and commented about how much more relaxed things were over here, whereas in some cities in italy they have even proposed laws to prevent things like a chinatown developing.

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Re: black players
« Reply #62 on: October 14, 2004, 10:56:35 PM »
Sikhi,  if you wear your turban all the time, don't you think that you may have been treated with more disrespect because of it and what it's (mis)perceived to be than any perception of being black?

My point being that there may be more a modicum of acceptance of 'British' blacks than 'foreigners'.

I dont no Sikhi but even though he is sikh he mite not necessarily wear a turban, plenty of asians got abuse regardless of whether they wore turbans or not.

His point was that there was a huge number of supporters who were openly racist towards blacks and asians.

Its sad that many (not all of course) Liverpool fans were brought up like this. What makes it worse is the fact that Merseyside has been such a mix of migrants (huge Irish, Scottish populations etc) for many years, and those people themselves have probably experienced racial discrimination of some sort.

Its for this reason that for a long time, many potential fans have stayed away believing that football grounds were 'white-only' and its good that this is no longer the case (both in reality and in perception).

Im glad to say that ive never experienced anything like that at Anfield but im sure there are still pockets of fans who still think that way, but thats their own personal views and has nothing to do with them being Liverpool fans.

Its true that Arsenal have always led the way having both an huge ethnic fanbase (that are regular matchgoers) and having black players in their team, as the main attraction, but then again, theyre based in North-london, with a large black population but credit must still go to them (and George Graham) for introducing the likes a Rocastle, Davis, Thomas et al
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« Reply #63 on: October 14, 2004, 11:20:14 PM »


here you go:


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Re: black players
« Reply #64 on: October 14, 2004, 11:23:32 PM »
barnes done and helped race relations a hell of a lot at and in liverpool. thank god walters was not our first high profile black player. digger barnes? it says it all.the man is an absolute legend. i had the pleasure of meeting him several times,he is liverpools very own martin luther king.i remember the "liverpool are white" chants, and the nf stickers and campaigners outside the old kemlyn.digger changed all that and a lot more. remember coventry away? unbelievable performance,nicol gota hat-trick,but digger was the new kop idol. i love the man,and the shite he had to put up with playing for ingerland,is motly why i hate the xenophobic no surrender chanting racist c*nts. YNWA digger, an absolute legend.
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Re: black players
« Reply #65 on: October 14, 2004, 11:33:07 PM »
if we ever see a black player for italy or germany i'll be shocked though.
there are black players who play for russian teams, i bet thats a ring of fire for them huh, most eastern europeans have never seen a black, asian or chinese person except for the tv.


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Re: black players
« Reply #66 on: October 14, 2004, 11:42:55 PM »
There is a black player for Germany - can't remember the chaps name, but there is.
It looks to me as if we have signed another 'average' player. I'll hold back my complete opinion until I see the lad play

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Re: black players
« Reply #67 on: October 14, 2004, 11:45:55 PM »
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« Reply #70 on: October 15, 2004, 12:19:28 AM »
the racism at Anfield in the period before digger came our way was terrible imo although I don't know if it was much worse thanother football grounds. I remember those apalling chants of "We all agree- Phil Neal is better than niggers" with some feeling the need to add an echo to the final word. I can remember yelling at people in pure frustration for people around me to pack it in ( no one took any notice,or ,interestingly gave me a hard time either) and feeling  sick with the shame of wanting to part of this great mass of people with a common love for our club but yet repulsed by the preparedness of what, to me, seemed the great majority to endulge in or passively accept such filth. I think I can safely say that I was pretty much alone in wearing a kopites against the nazi's badge on matchdays.
At the time- and i don't think I believe this anymore - it seemed that cynically a lot of reds could now beat up on the evertonians that they were the racists rather than us.I don't know.
As for Barnes himself I always thought he was a bit of an uncle tom in the issue compared to, say, Ian Wright.
People often say he answered with his talent but he was/is a very articulate and intelligent man and a role model, I suspect, for many black kids. I just wish he had said "fuck you" a bit more than he did but maybe that was about his relatively priviledged colonial background to some extent.

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« Reply #71 on: October 15, 2004, 12:58:55 AM »
I think the fact fact John Barnes didn't say "fuck you" but got on with it and was/is articulate put black (coloured, negro, think of any term derogatroy or otherwise) footballers firmly in the mainstream (sounds terrible eh?) and exposed and differentiated the racists from the sheep.

Calling him our "Martin Luther King" is a bit extreme, but the sentiment is spot on.

Saying that, who will be English footballs "Ghandi"?

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« Reply #72 on: October 15, 2004, 01:01:34 AM »
I just wish he had said "fuck you" a bit more than he did

You know he wanted to.  But he had so much class & dignity, it wasn't an option 8).

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« Reply #73 on: October 15, 2004, 01:05:52 AM »
I agree he helped but black footballers in the mainstream- and that's great. But he didn't "expose" anything and a comparison with king is bonkers. I get the drift - wright- malcolm x barnes - king? that sort of thing?

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Re: black players
« Reply #74 on: October 15, 2004, 03:14:53 AM »
I think Liverpool, both as a city and a football club, had no more or no less of a racist element than any other. I think for the most part, alot of people joining in the chants at the time simply may not have realised the implications of their words, and may have been simply joining in with the chief idiots, possibly because they were fearful of what would happen if they didn't, or maybe even because they thought it was 'normal'. I think, as maligned as political correctness is, we have that to thank for, partly at least, making people understand that certain behaviour is totally unacceptable, and has no part in a decent society.

As great as the success was in the 70's and 80's, and as great a time as many supporters had then, I'm glad I'm a supporter now, and not back in those days. I've never heard racist abuse at Anfield, or any other game for that matter, and for that I am grateful. Of the many stadia improvements made since the 90's, the fact that racism is now abhorrent in football grounds has to be the most pleasing development.

I was only 7 when Barnes signed (and he was my biggest hero growing up) so I can't really remember any of the racism that went on, to me Barnes was just a genius, I didn't realise he was a trailblaizer or a revlutionary or anything like that. I think most kids growing up today will see Henry in the same light, and it's good that it isn't even an issue about his colour (except the Aragones incident). I still think there are problems though, in all levels of football. Whilst it would now be unimaginable that a black player might be held back in England because of his colour, it's also sad to see that their are only a handful of Asian players. Also the number of 'non-white' officials, administrators and coaches in the game must also be of concern. I do think things are going in the right direction though, and I'd like to think that, within my lifetime, the issue of equal opportunities could be consigned to the history books as it will be the norm (maybe a bit optimistic, but one can hope), in the western world at least.

As for the question of black players in Italy and Germany. Matteo Ferrari and Fabio Liverani have both played for Italy in the last few years, while George Asamoah has played for Germany. I would not necessarily make the equasion that more black players in a national team  means that nation is more tolerant. France and Holland are two of the most multicultural countries in Europe, and this is reflected in their respective National teams. However their is much racism in Holland, ask Ruud Gullit and Rijkard about the abuse they used to get, and lets not forget that France came close to electing Le Pen a few years back, a man who has close ties to the BNP, and represents a party akin to the National Front in France. 
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Re: black players
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2004, 06:43:02 AM »


No it was your use of the phrase "racist punks" which to anyone associated with the English language suggests BNP members with spikey coloured hair dressed in Vivienne Westwood's finest retro fashion.

Well, can´t say that I have a great knowledge of the English language (writing this, as usual, going through the dictonary). But I will try and study harder and get more initiated in your way of using the language, or I could ofcourse write in Swedish which I am so much more familiar with.
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Re: black players
« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2004, 08:42:07 AM »


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Re: black players
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2004, 09:13:19 AM »
I believe education plays a big part. When one is young and plays with anyone, they see kids of other races as playmates who they can have fun, who cares about colours? It's during the growing up process when they are gradually conditioned by the adults around them then do they realise "colour difference". The adults will drop some disparaging remarks casually here and there. They may sound harmless or trivial, but in the long-run the kids' minds will be shaped in such that they feel the colour difference represents some sort of superiority of some over others. It's sad that despite all the improvements in the modern society, the minds of mankind is still stagnating at olden prejudice. Hope the situation does improve in the next generation or so...
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Re: black players
« Reply #78 on: October 15, 2004, 09:21:03 AM »
Sikhi,  if you wear your turban all the time, don't you think that you may have been treated with more disrespect because of it and what it's (mis)perceived to be than any perception of being black?

My point being that there may be more a modicum of acceptance of 'British' blacks than 'foreigners'.

I am a Sikh, but have never worn a turban (never actually been to India) ....I was a skinny 5' 0" teenager......would have been no threat to anybody. I'm not trying to get sympathy Biff, it was my choice to take the abuse, so I could watch my team.     
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Re: black players
« Reply #79 on: October 15, 2004, 09:46:52 AM »

People often say (Barnes) answered with his talent but he was/is a very articulate and intelligent man and a role model, I suspect, for many black kids...

You can say that again.  John Barnes made Liverpool Football Club and English Football accessible to me when I was a kid back in the 1980s.  You know, like Mr T in the A Team, the actors in the Cosby Show, Jesse Jackson running for president of a super power in 1988 etc; it's like the opening another world to me, at the same time the whole 'other' world is looking at these people from 'historically disadvantaged' communities and is realising that talent is abundant across cultural divides.

I just wish he had said "fuck you" a bit more than he did but maybe that was about his relatively priviledged colonial background to some extent.

I don't know about Barnes per se, but I know the 'Ghandi approach' doesn't always endear one to his/her community.   Once you assume that 'role model' position, your kind sort of expect you to be proactive and help them break the discrimination mold.  That's why there's so many Black people looking up to Wangari Maathai (current Nobel winner), the Williams sisters, that's why so many were so dissapointed with Michael Jackson and to some extent Tiger Woods.



Its true that Arsenal have always led the way having both an huge ethnic fanbase (that are regular matchgoers) and having black players in their team, as the main attraction, but then again, theyre based in North-london, with a large black population but credit must still go to them (and George Graham) for introducing the likes a Rocastle, Davis, Thomas et al

Today the premiership champions and log leaders have Lauren, Cole, Toure, Campbell, Clichy, Vieira, Henry; so many players of African descent in their 1st team.   Great, 'cause English football's become a whole lot more globalised than it used to be- more people are (hopefully) getting the message.

I wish more was done to bring to international mainstream media, stories of intellectualls of African descent; there's so many of them- at Oxford, Harvard, Yale, Princeton in other universities and workplace institutions worldwide,  Nobel Lauretes, statesmen, authors etc, so as to curb the myth of Blacks being only good at physical activity (football, basketball, athletics, music, acting etc).

But having lived with different races and cultural groups, I'd say at times racism and xenophobia goes beyond a lack of knowledge/exposure to others, and beyond seeing others as a threat.  At times, it's just a pure misguided 'superiority complex' that is hard to get rid of from the mindsets of certain elements.
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