Author Topic: Joe Fagan was more than a glorified copilot. He validated the Liverpool Way  (Read 8999 times)

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There are fans I've spoken to who, although they claim to appreciate his stint in charge, consider him as something of a footnote in our most successful period, as if inheriting that side from Bob somehow diminishes his acheivements for the quite brief time he was at the helm. I've never understood that attitude, as it's so easy to fuck things up if you aren't highly capable for the role you're thrust into; e.g. Souness.
Joe ran as strong a leg as anyone could ever've hoped for before passing the baton to Kenny. I respected the efforts of Evans and Houllier, but for me only Rafa really looked like potentially coming anywhere within reach of our own 'Big Four'.
The greatest is always a subjective phrase, but Joe's treble puts him up there with the all time English Cub greats, not just the Liverpool ones. Rafa doesnt come close to him, he won more in one season than Rafa did in six years.
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I know, but I've been a hopeless Rafa-ite ever since you-know-what. The word 'potentially' is key in that sentence of mine there (which I'm well aware is in itself a pretty silly thing to suggest). It's just a personal view when all's said and done; if Benitez does indeed lie 5th in our league table of all-time bosses(? As daft as such a notion might be), in my eyes he's still a long, long way off breaking into those 'Champions League spots', so to speak. He was in charge that one unreal night though, and didn't do much wrong in the rest of his time here as far as I'm concerned, so I love him enough to consider it a 'Big 5'. It's a nice round number after all.

I can't help but imagine the vast majority of younger supporters of other clubs (and even many of ours) may not even recognise the name Joe Fagan, like you'd think they'd all know at least a little about Shankly and Paisley if they had any interest in world footy history at all, which is really unfortunate. He does seem very unsung at large, compared to some 'icons' who achieved considerably less in all their time wherever they managed.
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Anyone know when this book is being released?  I may be blind but I don't see a release date.  I thought it was published in 2010 but Amazon say it is only available for pre-order.  Is it available already elsewhere?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joe-Fagan-Authorised-Biography-Andrew/dp/1845135504
« Last Edit: July 21, 2011, 01:06:47 PM by Zapata316 »

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Smokin Joe was the real deal. Have a read of the book written by his Son and you'll see what i mean.
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Great article. Fagan's achievements are too often glossed over by the achievements of Shanks, Bob, Kenny, Ged and Rafa.

 
Only by  so called fans who don´t know our history.
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Only by  so called fans who don´t know our history.

Those 'fans' who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing, Vic. Smoking Joe is in the 'pantheon' (so some of our Amercan cousins can relate)..of legendary managers at the club.
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No manager has ever won a 'domestic treble'.

A new book is coming out - authorized biography with his grandson involved.
I played with one of his sons, who was at Liverpool in his younger days. But I can't remember his name first name.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Joe-Fagan-Authorised-Biography-Andrew/dp/1845135504

Seem to remember his son was called Chris but was also known as "Kit".

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Seem to remember his son was called Chris but was also known as "Kit".
Kit played for  tranmere rovers for a bit , and amazing to think even in the mid 80s as manager he lived that close to the ground he walked to work !
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Joe always came across as a top bloke. If only Souness could have found the humility to be able to continue with the Liverpool way rather than ripping it all down and being so arrogant that he felt he could start everything in his own image.
Football has reached the ninth gate of farce and pathetic, unbelievable trite nonsense. It's supposed to be a game and it's turned into pantomime, hype, quilts and bellends.

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Yeah nice article, shame about the lazy piece about Heysel but that had fuck all to do with Joe. Great story about him in Munich with the mop!
Humility, think its the reason most people didn't seem to hate us in those days and the reason just about every fan I know of other clubs, hate United and Chelsea now.
Why did Souness tear it all down? Fuck knows but his fucking ego probably played a large part. He couldn't of done it at a worse time, great player, joke of a man.
As for Smoking Joe, sat with Shankly and Paisley in my eyes, as an equal.
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Great Article. Thanks for sharing.
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One of my all time favourite Liverpool pics

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