Topic: The Champions League Draw thread - seedings, match dates, live updates etc

[nidgemo]

Matchday 1 Wednesday 15/9 Liverpool v Monaco
Matchday 2 Tuesday 28/9 Olympiacos v Liverpool
Matchday 3 Tuesday 19/10 Liverpool v Deportivo
Matchday 4 Wednesday 3/11 Deportivo v Liverpool
Matchday 5 Tuesday 23/11 Monaco v Liverpool
Matchday 6 Wednesday 8/12 Liverpool v Olympiacos

http://www.uefa.com/Competitions/UCL/FixturesResults/index.html

I've added match dates as well...

Each group will consist of a team from each of the pots, baring in mind you cannot draw an English team i.e No Man U or Arsenal from Pot 1. Chelsea and Liverpool both in pot 2 can't be drawn together anyway.

Variety adds spice to draw
Thursday, 26 August 2004
The identity of all 32 clubs in the group stage of the 2004/05 UEFA Champions League is now known, and no fewer than 16 associations will be represented in today's draw.

Qualifying concluded
The conclusion of the third qualifying round on Wednesday night saw a further ten sides book their places in the main section of European football's most prestigious club competition, with six teams having confirmed their progress on Tuesday evening.

Eagerly-awaited draw
In Monaco, the 32 clubs will go into the draw for the group stage, which will take place in the Salle des Princes at the Grimaldi Forum at 16.00CET. For the purposes of the draw the clubs will be placed into four pots according to their coefficients (see below).

Pot 1
Pos.   Club:   Coeff:
1   FC Porto (POR) Title-holders   99.969
2   Real Madrid CF (ESP)   146.350
3   Valencia CF (ESP)   139.350
4   FC Barcelona (ESP)   134.350
5   Manchester United FC (ENG)   119.511
6   Bayern München (GER)   105.331
7   RC Deportivo La Coruña (ESP)   104.350
8   Arsenal FC (ENG)   103.511

Pot 2
Pos:   Club:   Coeff:
9   AC Milan (ITA)   93.531
10   Liverpool FC (ENG)   90.511
11   Juventus FC (ITA)   84.531
12   FC Internazionale (ITA)   82.531
13   AS Roma (ITA)   78.531
14   Olympique Lyonnais (FRA)   70.947
15   Chelsea FC (ENG)   67.511
16   Panathinaikos FC (GRE)   65.467

Pot 3
Pos:   Club:   Coeff:
17   PSV Eindhoven (HOL)   65.247
18   Bayer 04 Leverkusen (GER)   62.331
19   Celtic FC (SCO)   60.600
20   AC Sparta Praha (CZE)   54.914
21   AS Monaco FC (FRA)   51.947
22   RSC Anderlecht (BEL)   49.528
23   AFC Ajax (HOL)   48.247
24   Paris Saint-Germain FC (FRA)   45.947

Pot 4
Pos:   Club:   Coeff:
25   Rosenborg BK (NOR)   42.226
26   FC Dynamo Kyiv (UKR)   41.300
27   Olympiacos CFP (GRE)   40.467
28   SV Werder Bremen (GER)   37.331
29   FC Shakhtar Donetsk (UKR)   17.300
30   Fenerbahçe SK (TUR)   16.656
31   Maccabi Tel-Aviv FC (ISR)   14.012
32   PFC CSKA Moskva (RUS)   8.572

Champions League draw procedure
Thursday, 26 August 2004
Thirty-two teams will be divided into eight groups of four when the draw for the 2004/05 UEFA Champions League takes place at 16.00CET today at the Grimaldi Forum in Monaco.

Conditions
The eight groups will be lettered A to H, and there are a number of conditions that will be observed:

Teams from the same country will not be drawn into the same group.

Teams from the same association will have their matches split between Tuesday and Wednesday. Teams will be paired, based on the TV audience and taking account of the provisions of the competition regulations concerning stadiums, when an association has more than two entrants.

The pairings are as follows: Real Madrid CF and FC Barcelona; Valencia CF and RC Deportivo La Coruña; Manchester United FC and Arsenal FC; FC Bayern München and Werder Bremen; AC Milan and Juventus FC; Liverpool FC and Chelsea FC; AS Roma and FC Internazionale; Olympique Lyonnais and Paris Saint-Germain FC; Olympiacos CFP and Panathinaikos FC; AFC Ajax and PSV Eindhoven; FC Shakhtar Donetsk and FC Dynamo Kyiv.

For the purposes of the draw the clubs will be placed into four pots according to their coefficients. Pot 1 will comprise last year's winners, FC Porto, and the top seven clubs in the club coefficient rankings. Pot 2 will comprise the following eight clubs in the rankings, and so on for Pots 3 and 4. Click here for the groups in full.

To ensure that clubs from the same country play on separate days, the eight groups will be distinguished by colour: groups A to D will be red and groups E to H blue. When a paired club is drawn, for example, into one of the red groups (A, B, C or D), the other paired club - once it has been drawn - will automatically be assigned to one of the four blue groups (E, F, G or H).

The red groups and the blue groups will play in two different match sequences, either :

Tuesday / Wednesday / Wednesday
Tuesday / Wednesday / Tuesday
or
Wednesday / Tuesday / Tuesday
Wednesday / Tuesday / Wednesday

Draw procedure
The process will begin with a red ball being drawn from Pot 1. The ball will be opened to display the name of the team and a computer will show the available groups for this club. A green ball will then be drawn to determine which of the available groups the selected team will be allocated to.

Once all the teams have been drawn from Pot 1, the same procedure will be repeated for the teams in Pots 2, 3 and 4, in that order. Teams from Pot 1 will be provisionally placed in the first position within their groups, teams from Pot 2 will provisionally take the second position in their groups, and so on.

Once the draw procedure has been completed, a computer draw will determine the final position of the teams within their group. Due to climatic conditions, Rosenborg BK and PFC CSKA Moskva will be assigned position 1 or 3 to allow them to play away on Matchday 6.

These positions within the group will then determine the order of the home and away matches according to the competition regulations. The 96 group matches will be played on the following dates: 14-15 September, 28-29 September, 19-20 October, 2-3 November, 23-24 November, 7-8 December.

so Carol, I'll have one from the top, one from the second bottom, and one from the bottom please...

(hoping for Bayern, Anderlecht and CSKA  , except we all know fucking united will get that group...)

who d'yer want then?

Madrid, Liverpool, Monaco and Fenerbache has a scary sound to it...

[Farman]

Bayern Munich, away, in October. Please please please please please...

[Roddysul]

do you think that's going to fix it now Hugh has broken it?

[۩ Imperator ۩]

Porto (tittelholder) POR 99.970

Useful gadgets, the old "tittelholders".

Porto (brassiere) POR 99.970

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I'll take the top group 

[Hugh]

do you think that's going to fix it now Hugh has broken it?

I expect this to be held against me for the rest of my days, yes?

[nidgemo]

only until some other fuckwit like me jumps on the bandwagon and fucks it up further 

[Rusty]

Wonder how Rafa will feel if we get Valencia in our group? I bet he'd get the players fired up for that one, they's have to be! And for that matter the atmosphere would almost certainly be something else...

[Skeeve]

How about real madrid, us and ajax, that'd be a lot of european cup winners in one group.

have any of group 4 won the european cup?

[۩ Imperator ۩]

have any of group 4 won the european cup?

I think we can safely say no to that one.

[Skeeve]

Didn't think so, but wasn't sure about the germans.

[Brick Tamland]

Barcelona, Real Madrid who the fuck you tryin' to kid.......


I'm quite skint so I want affordable destinations...

Barca
Liverpool
P-SG / Ajax
Rangers

[Tim]

only until some other fuckwit like me jumps on the bandwagon and fucks it up further

When we don't win the whole competition it will be all your fault.

[Hugh]

Christ I didn't realise pot three was so strong, ideally we'll get a fairly easy team out of pot one if we are to get a hard team from pot three.

Deportivo would be an excellent draw, they looked piss poor against Shels last night. And this is Shels like, who's ground's exits are lined with cow shite.

[Tim]

Christ I didn't realise pot three was so strong, ideally we'll get a fairly easy team out of pot one if we are to get a hard team from pot three.

Deportivo would be an excellent draw, they looked piss poor against Shels last night. And this is Shels like, who's ground's exits are lined with cow shite.

You stay out of this thread please!

[nidgemo]

When we don't win the whole competition it will be all your fault.

By that rationale then, I can claim the credit if we win the whole thing?

Excellent, that'll keep me in pints for a good long time 

[fREDdie]

I don't think Porto pose much of a threat now that Mourinho and a few of their players have jumped ship.
Bring on the holders!!!

[nige]

there's teams on your list that won't qualify tonight  though - at least 2 of
Rangers Juve PSV  Sparta Trabzon

(personally I think at least 2* of - but hopefully nearly all of their opponents - CSKA Moscow*, Djurgarden*, Red Star Belgrade*, Ferencvaros, & Kyiv will qualify)

*I've put bets on these 3 to qualify (though being already £90 up on the CL qualifiers this week does not ease the pain of last night. They were 'value' bets rather than predictions. Just like last night's     )

Don't mind who we get as long as it's Spanish from pot 1 and an "exotic" team, preferably Shaktar from pot  4 & that I can make it to the games

[Anthony]

A reminder as well that, if either Real or the Mancs fail to qualify tonight AC Milan will rise to Pot 1 and everybody else moves up one.

If both go out then we will be in Pot 1 as well (but I can't see them both slipping up)

[nidgemo]

A reminder as well that, if either Real or the Mancs fail to qualify tonight AC Milan will rise to Pot 1 and everybody else moves up one.

If both go out then we will be in Pot 1 as well (but I can't see them both slipping up)

Fuck but wouldn't it be hilarious to see little mickey playing (or sitting on the bench) in the UEFA Cup almost as funny as seeing Man Utd in it...

[nige]

If both go out then we will be in Pot 1 as well (but I can't see them both slipping up)

As you say this is EXTREMELY unlikely - I'd say  2,000-1 - but though it would be very FUNNY it would also be a pisser cos then we couldn't play anyone Spanish & I reckon Rafa would  enjoy playing 1 of the 4 Spanish teams  & so would ALL our Spaniards ... as things stand we have a  57½ % chance of drawing a Spanish team

[Millsee]

Bayern Munich, away, in October. Please please please please please...

Just in time for the German Oktoberfest 

[Life]

We'll get Valencia, sure as eggs are eggs.

[Skeeve]

Just in time for the German Oktoberfest 

One thing to remember, most of the oktoberfest is actually in september and while it would make the surroundings more interesting, wouldn't it whack the cost of flights and accomodation right up?

[Paul Tomkins]

People seem to fancy playing Bayern in terms of easiest to beat - have they fallen that far?

How strong will they be this season? Have they spent well?

Someone said Pot 3 looks strong, and it does, but I guess that's the point - there are never too many "easy" looking teams in the draw. Dutch and French sides look good on paper these days, but we should be capable of beating teams from these countries; same with Germany (usually Bayern excluded).

The Italians don't bother me too much these days. Spanish teams always give us the hardest games, so at least we have insider-info with Rafa and his backroom staff - and the players themselves.

[Farman]

Paul, I actually fancy Bayern as a good bet for the Champion's League this year, and I have said as much in the bets thread. They are really very good. My reason for wanting to draw them is, as Millsee as perceptively spotted, for the Oktoberfest, even if it does put hotel and travel costs up a bit. Plus I've got a long-term guaranteed shag out there. But, unlike the beer, I'm unwilling to share that experience (honestly though, she's something else...).

[Euro Greek]

Personally, I wouldn't want to get Olympiakos in our pool.
Honestly, they're my sleeper pick, regardless of who they draw in their group, I predict they will make the next round. 

[Murf]

Le amamos Liverpool is this the right way or what

[Murf]

The draw tomorrow?

Yes at 1600 hrs cet

[Jon G]

What time is the draw? Need to make sure I'm near a PC to get hopefully some cheap flights

[Rickson Gracie]

I think the best possible draw would be Porto, PSV and Rangers, a bit of atmosphere twatting Rangers home and away and a smooth passage into the knockout stages

[nige]

there's teams on your list that won't qualify tonight  though - at least 2 of
Rangers Juve PSV  Sparta Trabzon

(personally I think at least 2* of - but hopefully nearly all of their opponents - CSKA Moscow*, Djurgarden*, Red Star Belgrade*, Ferencvaros, & Kyiv will qualify)

*I've put bets on these 3 to qualify (though being already £90 up on the CL qualifiers this week does not ease the pain of last night. They were 'value' bets rather than predictions. Just like last night's     )

Don't mind who we get as long as it's Spanish from pot 1 and an "exotic" team, preferably Shaktar from pot  4 & that I can make it to the games

There ya go, final score Trabzon 0 Kyiv 2 , so Kyiv through. Been there done that though so i'd prefer to draw their Ukranian rivals Shaktar ....

[Hugh]

Rangers out. 

Our resident Ger loving Mushy c*nt of a bastard will be happy. 

[kevinbrodie]

there are no easy games in the champions league, especially for us. It doesn' t matter who we get, it just matters that we are back where we belong.

[PhilB]

1
FC Porto
Real Madrid
Valencia 
Barcelona 
Man U
Bayern München
Deportivo
Arsenal   

2
Milan 
Liverpool
Juventus
Inter
Roma
Lyon           
Chelsea 
Panathinaikos

3
PSV
Leverkusen
Celtic
Sparta Praha
Monaco
Anderlecht
Ajax
PSG

4
Shakhtar Donetsk   
CSKA Moscow
Rosenborg
Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Dinamo Kiev
Olympiakos
Werder Bremen
Fenerbahçe               

[Hugh]

1
FC Porto
Real Madrid
Valencia 
Barcelona 
Man U
Bayern München
Deportivo
Arsenal   

2
Milan 
Liverpool
Juventus
Inter
Roma
Lyon           
Chelsea 
Panathinaikos

3
PSV
Leverkusen
Celtic
Sparta Praha
Monaco
Anderlecht
Ajax
PSG

4
Shakhtar Donetsk   
CSKA Moscow
Rosenborg
Maccabi Tel-Aviv
Dinamo Kiev
Olympiakos
Werder Bremen
Fenerbahçe               

Is that deffo?

[Jimmy10Men]

Deportivo
Liverpool
Sparta Prague
Maccabi Tel Aviv

That wouldn't be too bad. 

[PhilB]

Is that deffo?

Sure is

[Hugh]

Sure is

Yeah was just checking coz I though Kiev might have moved into pot three.

[Roddysul]

Kiev or Moscow -  would love another trip there