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The Boy From Bootle
« on: March 15, 2002, 05:38:36 PM »
Scanning the various Red forums over the last few days, I've noticed quite a few fellow Reds bemoaning the imminent return of Jamie Carragher, and forcasting gloom and doom should he reclaim his place in the team.
Before I start , I have to say I think in the not too distant future, these people will get their wish, and see Jamie relegated to the status of squad player.
His best position is probably centre half, but he's never going to split the brilliant Hyypia / Henchoz partnership. The signing of Xavier, the emergence of Stephen Wright and hopefully the return of Babbel, means the opportunities at right back will be limited. It's a similar story on the left. Riise, Gregory "out for two to three weeks" Vignal, and if the rumours are true, the signing of Bridges, mean he'll find it equally hard to get a place on that side too. To cap it all, he is also way down the pecking order in his original position of centre midfield, though it'll be interesting to see if he is asked to do Didi's job against Roma.
But does he deserve the criticism he gets? I think not. The biggest single difference between this Liverpool team, and the  talented team of losers from the mid 90's, is one of attitude. I'm sure if Roy Evans team had the same attitude as the current one, it would have swept all before it.
If one player sums up this new attitude more than any other, then surely that one player is Carragher.
He is steady, reliable and uncomplaining, no matter what job he is asked to do.
Those who don't rate him have short memories. Remember the not so distant days of shambolic defending? Despite being the youngest, and least experienced, he was the only one among them worth his salt in those pre S.H. days.
Also, playing not just out of position, but on his wrong side at left back, he has on more than one occasion, had "the 2nd best player in the world", firmly in his pocket, as well as producing some excellent displays away from home against Europe's big clubs.
His game does have it's limitations, but it's not his fault he's not Roberto Carlos, and for what my opinion's worth, he puts a hell of a lot more effort in to his game than the Brazilian does.
Somebody on one forum said we should sell him to his boyhood club Everton, because that would be his true level. Unless the lad himself asks for a transfer, there's no way Houllier would sell somebody who can provide solid cover in so many positions.
If the day does come when we lose him, either to another club, or the bench, as far as I'm concerned, it'll be a sad day, because if I still have such a thing as a favourite player at my age, then I think Jamie Carragher is that player.





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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2002, 06:10:31 PM »
hear hear, JC has always been a fave of mine, but i dont think its all doom and gloom i see him at LFC for a very long time...
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2002, 07:22:04 PM »
Carragher- Not much pace, looks like he is flapping in possesion, cant pass that well, BUT how often does he give it away? How often does he lose tackles?

Carragher is a great defender, not a winger or attacking full back, a defender. He defends first and foremost and is bloody good at it and it would be ludicrous to suggest selling a player than can play in as many positions. May not be first choice in a lot of positions but can any player cover as many as him?
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2002, 08:00:19 PM »
I must admit, I've got to the stage where I think of the the defence as a unit without really examining the merits of individuals.

However, I am wondering if we are witnessing one of those great "What If" moments. If Carra had not got suspended for his moment of temporary insanity would Xavier have pushed him out? Would we even have gone for Xavier if we hadn't known we were going to be without Carra for those matches? How easy is it going to be for Carra to get the place back from Xavier now? Are we seeing a repeat of the Sander/Jerzy conundrum?

I feel for Carra but I'm thinking that that coin gets more and more expensive all the time...

On the other hand, he played on Wednesday so presumably there is still a role for him. He is versatile, as everybody says and, regrettably, Marcus isn't back yet! Things are encouraging but we still don't know that he will return. So I expect to see Carra round for a while yet.
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2002, 08:41:49 PM »
Carra has his limitations and brings little to the side in an attacking sense....BUT he is a bloody good defender. I'd have to agree that his best position would be CB (Had a great game there aginst Jan Koller at Anfield) but I can't see him getting picked ahead of H & H.

His attitude is spot on, he just keeps his head down and seems happy to play wherever GH/PT want him to. Id hate to see him leave.


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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #5 on: March 15, 2002, 09:42:07 PM »
With you on that one, Ian K., Liverpool's spirit can be seen in Jamie. Considering he started as a striker and has played in every conceivable position since except doggie, he's already a little legend, imo. His superb positioning and jockeying so often go unnoticed. Backs are backs and wingers are wingers, Riise gets sold far too easy and he's happier attacking from midfield. Carra's been part of the best defence in the league lest anyone forget it!!
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2002, 01:10:12 AM »
To quote his manager:

"Jamie's so full of passion and commitment, so eager to learn. It's a joy to watch him at work."

"Jamie Carragher to me represents the heart of this team, and never gives in and always gives his all."

I can't see him going just yet.
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2002, 02:08:21 AM »
Xavier is better going forward,Carragher is better at the back.

Riise Plays midfield and Vignal is never fit.

Carragher plays well at LB the CB's pick themselves and for the time being Xavier can play RB when Babbel returns he'll drop to the bench.
Carragher is a favourite of mine and I suspect the management have a slight lean towards him as well. Given the choice between Carragher or Xavier Carragher for me wins hands down. Look at where he comes on the Opta stats for tackling 4th! You don't get rid of players like him they stay until they retire.
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2002, 02:18:51 AM »
Well would you believe it? I write a piece trying my best to be fulsome in my praise of "The Boy From Bootle", and I end up insulting him.
I said it's not his fault he's not Roberto Carlos, and then he goes and produces a performance that the great Brazilian could only dream of producing.
All those brilliant attacking players that Roma have at their disposal, and not one of them got as much as a sniff when they were anywhere near "our Jamie".
He even did O.K. going forward.
Great stuff lad, even your doubters are proud of you now. If they're not, they should see an optician as soon as possible.
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #9 on: February 2, 2007, 01:30:08 AM »
We all dream of a team of carraghers

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #10 on: February 2, 2007, 08:19:09 AM »
Some wise words  from some wise RAWKites about Carra from 2002.

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #11 on: February 2, 2007, 09:19:03 AM »
Every post edited in 1970?

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #12 on: February 2, 2007, 09:20:33 AM »
Every post edited in 1970?

hmmm

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #13 on: February 2, 2007, 11:22:51 AM »
What scares me when reading this is that it was only 5 years ago, but it seems a lifetime ago when you look at the players we had there, Xavier, Vignal, Babbel, Henchoz...it's like an era long gone. Rafa's done so much.

Jamie stuck around and now gets the praise he deserves...I was there at Anfield in Jan 97 when he scored his 1st Liverpool goal, a certain Bjorn Tore Kvarme made his debut that day too and I thought he looked ok. Now look where we are, Carragher's a rock! Kvarme...where'd he go? :)

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« Reply #14 on: February 2, 2007, 11:26:54 AM »
What server did they have back then?


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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #15 on: February 2, 2007, 01:05:35 PM »
Quite funny to look back and also to see that many people thought Carra wasn't good enough to play for Liverpool and he came in for a lot of critisim. Wonder where those people are now?
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #16 on: February 2, 2007, 01:10:49 PM »
Always remember him being 1st on the team sheet and don't recall him ever letting anyone down.
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #17 on: February 2, 2007, 04:43:57 PM »
Well would you believe it? I write a piece trying my best to be fulsome in my praise of "The Boy From Bootle", and I end up insulting him.
I said it's not his fault he's not Roberto Carlos, and then he goes and produces a performance that the great Brazilian could only dream of producing.
All those brilliant attacking players that Roma have at their disposal, and not one of them got as much as a sniff when they were anywhere near "our Jamie".
He even did O.K. going forward.
Great stuff lad, even your doubters are proud of you now. If they're not, they should see an optician as soon as possible.


remember this game well, particularly carragher munching one of there forwards into the lower kemlyn fucking great night!

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #18 on: February 2, 2007, 06:03:57 PM »
fuck me, this thread is old, march 2002!?

too fucking right though, not necessarily the greatest player out there technically, but the effort and commitment he gives more than makes up for that.

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #19 on: February 2, 2007, 06:28:27 PM »
Quite funny to look back and also to see that many people thought Carra wasn't good enough to play for Liverpool and he came in for a lot of criticism. Wonder where those people are now?
to be honest, Ive been at a few games circa 1999/00 when carragher was playing full back, never doubted his commitment, but aren't afraid to admit that he lacked quality & probley still does to be a premiership winning full back. Back then I thought he was going to be at best a squad player, times have changed & so has Carragher.

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #20 on: February 2, 2007, 07:01:41 PM »
Somebody on one forum said we should sell him to his boyhood club Everton, because that would be his true level.

Christ imagine that.
u been on the glue lad? 20 league goals in your first season as well as being injured for a few games obviously isnt good enough for you. you may as well sit in the stretford end sunday..........

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #21 on: February 2, 2007, 07:55:41 PM »
Scanning the various Red forums over the last few days, I've noticed quite a few fellow Reds bemoaning the imminent return of Jamie Carragher, and forcasting gloom and doom should he reclaim his place in the team.

Ha! Blast from the past! :  ;D 8)

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #22 on: February 2, 2007, 08:13:31 PM »
Amazing how much has changed in those 5 years

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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #23 on: February 2, 2007, 08:20:10 PM »
Great thread.  I'm surprised there aren't more comments slagging him off back then actually.  For what it's worth, at that time I would've agreed with everything the original poster had to say.
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #24 on: February 2, 2007, 08:21:06 PM »
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #25 on: February 2, 2007, 10:25:37 PM »
Dear God have I really been talking shite on places like this for 5 years? And there WAS some shite there. Fancy me thinking he would end up a squad player!  :o
Bit of a visionary on the favourite player thing though wasn't I?
He really was a whipping boy to some back then. There was one particular disappointing night match back in those days, I think it was against Fulham. The stick he was taking was so bad he turned round and told the Paddock to fuck off!
Well you can take the boy out of Bootle......  ;D
Wonder how many of them in the Paddock that night are kissing his arse now?
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« Reply #26 on: February 2, 2007, 10:32:38 PM »

I thought he was a fucking donkey at that stage.

Actually, he was a bit.
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« Reply #27 on: February 2, 2007, 10:36:54 PM »

However, I am wondering if we are witnessing one of those great "What If" moments. If Carra had not got suspended for his moment of temporary insanity would Xavier have pushed him out? Would we even have gone for Xavier if we hadn't known we were going to be without Carra for those matches? How easy is it going to be for Carra to get the place back from Xavier now? Are we seeing a repeat of the Sander/Jerzy conundrum?

I feel for Carra but I'm thinking that that coin gets more and more expensive all the time...



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What if we'd let him go...? ;D
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #28 on: February 2, 2007, 10:40:34 PM »
I have to say I think in the not too distant future, these people will get their wish, and see Jamie relegated to the status of squad player.

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« Reply #29 on: February 2, 2007, 10:47:55 PM »
Nostadamus, is that you?

Oy!
Concentrate on the favourite player bit please!
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Re: The Boy From Bootle
« Reply #30 on: February 3, 2007, 12:13:26 AM »
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Liverpool showed that miracles exist. They proved that football is the most beautiful sport of them all. After this game, my English team is going to be Liverpool. I came across some of their fans beforehand and they told me they were going to win, but that they would be made to suffer. It's just the way it happened

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