Topic: Pep Lijnders

[Agent99]

He talked about giving up his salary if the Trent experiment didn't work. It hasn't really worked and we have persisted with it making loads of our other players appear to be out of form or that their 'legs have gone'. I think that's the reason he is getting quite a bit of stick.

[Eeyore]

He talked about giving up his salary if the Trent experiment didn't work. It hasn't really worked and we have persisted with it making loads of our other players appear to be out of form or that their 'legs have gone'. I think that's the reason he is getting quite a bit of stick.

How has the Trent experiment not worked?

[Agent99]

How has the Trent experiment not worked?

We looked great last season didn't we?

Edit - I tell you what Al. I don't want to get into it because I'm a stubborn fuck and it will go back and forth for many pages and pages. Let's not do that to everyone.

[JasonF]

He talked about giving up his salary if the Trent experiment didn't work. It hasn't really worked and we have persisted with it making loads of our other players appear to be out of form or that their 'legs have gone'. I think that's the reason he is getting quite a bit of stick.

Aren't we unbeaten in 12 league games since Trent inverted? Maybe you're arguing we'd have even more wins with him not inverted but that's not a given since we lost 5 of the 12 games preceding that change.

[Suareznumber7]

Well if you kept on listening you’d know that in part 2 he called Dave McCoy a bellend.

 

[Suareznumber7]

He talked about giving up his salary if the Trent experiment didn't work. It hasn't really worked and we have persisted with it making loads of our other players appear to be out of form or that their 'legs have gone'. I think that's the reason he is getting quite a bit of stick.

It hasn't been perfect, and I'm skeptical about it, but I'm not sure how you can say it hasn't worked at this point. 

[Eeyore]

We looked great last season didn't we?

Edit - I tell you what Al. I don't want to get into it because I'm a stubborn fuck and it will go back and forth for many pages and pages. Let's not do that to everyone.

Good point I am as stubborn as a mule myself.

[Dave McCoy]

I don't understand what the issue is.  I just listened to part 1 of the podcast and there is nothing in there that he said that was bad.  He's not giving away any huge secrets or anything people don't already know.  He comes across as very passionate about what he's doing. Is that why people don't like him or get annoyed every time he does an interview?

Yes, he comes across as a total blowhard. Maybe you’ve met people like this in your professional life or not. The ones I have are difficult to deal with so that’s why I said I could see the rumors making sense even if they are just rumors.

So a reasonable response from Yorky and others would be “No, I listened as well and I disagree that he comes off that way”. Fair enough. Instead you get the usual garbage in response. Oh well.

[Yorkykopite]

Yes, he comes across as a total blowhard. Maybe you’ve met people like this in your professional life or not. The ones I have are difficult to deal with so that’s why I said I could see the rumors making sense even if they are just rumors.

So a reasonable response from Yorky and others would be “No, I listened as well and I disagree that he comes off that way”. Fair enough. Instead you get the usual garbage in response. Oh well.

You're not going to get a "reasonable" response to your own post because your own post is pure unreasoned prejudice. Why should anyone waste their time defending Pep Lijnders from your own blowhard attacks. You've just said it again in this post. You've met difficult people in your professional life, they form a certain type you have difficulty with, and you've simply decided on the basis of absolutely nothing that Lijnders reminds you of this 'type'.

I suggest that this tells us more about you than it does about our assistant manager.

[Dave McCoy]

You're not going to get a "reasonable" response to your own post because your own post is pure unreasoned prejudice. Why should anyone waste their time defending Pep Lijnders from your own blowhard attacks. You've just said it again in this post. You've met difficult people in your professional life, they form a certain type you have difficulty with, and you've simply decided on the basis of absolutely nothing that Lijnders reminds you of this 'type'.

I suggest that this tells us more about you than it does about our assistant manager.

Really? What attack was that? That in listening to him I can see why people would have an issue with him? That’s what your response was about? Total joke.

[Ghost Town]

Well if you kept on listening you’d know that in part 2 he called Dave McCoy a bellend.

Factual news podcast was it?

[Knight]

And what about all the managers that have been successful whilst keeping staff consistent?

Or all the managers that have been less successful after changing staff?

And Ferguson generally lost his assistant coaches. He didn't lose them through choice.

The reason Ferguson is a good comparison is longevity.

[Eeyore]

Yes, he comes across as a total blowhard. Maybe you’ve met people like this in your professional life or not. The ones I have are difficult to deal with so that’s why I said I could see the rumors making sense even if they are just rumors.

So a reasonable response from Yorky and others would be “No, I listened as well and I disagree that he comes off that way”. Fair enough. Instead you get the usual garbage in response. Oh well.

It totally amazes me that you find people hard to deal with. I wonder why?

[mullyred94]

Good point I am as stubborn as a mule myself.

 

[Historical Fool]

Why’s everyone piling onto Dave like? In a thread about Pep no less. If you’ve an issue with Dave take it to the Dave thread or the FSG thread …

[Dave McCoy]

Why’s everyone piling onto Dave like? In a thread about Pep no less. If you’ve an issue with Dave take it to the Dave thread or the FSG thread …

There's a Dave thread?

[Dim Glas]

21 pages on our assistant. Impressive.

bet Jason Tindall has a 100+ page thread on some Saudi Arabia FC forum.

[afc tukrish]

bet Jason Tindall has a 100+ page thread on some Saudi Arabia FC forum.

That's because of all the 'shushing' screenshots...

[TepidT2O]

How has the Trent experiment not worked?

We’ve only averaged something like 2.3 points per game since we changed do it.

Disgraceful

[Ghost Town]

We’ve only averaged something like 2.3 points per game since we changed do it.

Disgraceful

Apparently Trent is an 'absolute' liability, and 'absolute' shambles' absolute, absolute, absolute. No good side to him whatsoever as a defender and therefore must be benched.

It's true that the ancients say: some people can't cope with having good things

[afc tukrish]

Apparently Trent is an 'absolute' liability, and 'absolute' shambles' absolute, absolute, absolute. No good side to him whatsoever as a defender and therefore must be benched.

It's true that the ancients say: some people can't cope with having good things

An absoshambles rather than an ominshambles?

[newterp]

Dave McCoy calling someone a blowhard. (He does have good points from time to time).

[wige]

Love listening to Pep's press conferences. His passion and excitement for the club and players just shines through every time, be it little snippets of details he shares re development, or a particular way we play, the individual players themselves and moments he shares with them or the lengthy rambles he goes on - skirting around multiple subjects as he gets carried away.

Listen to him talk about the benefits of the time "they"/"we" have had with the players coming through and how Connor Bradley, for example, knows his job inside out. These guys are making plans 4/5 years down the line at an individual, team and club level. The Anfield Wrap touched on this this week and it was such a valid point - the benefit of having joined up thinking all in place for such a period of time is really starting to show benefits.

The next presser, or next question, he's giving a, seemingly, baffled Vinny O'Connor an extremely detailed answer on tactical approaches and minutiae involving positioning and half spaces. Just a pleasure to listen to. I always feel educated after one of his press conferences.

I think he just comes across as absolutely elite at what he does and we're lucky to have him. For me it screams as a "boot room" continuity appointment once Klopp goes. Personally, I think Jurgen has already identified him as his replacement, or a potential one at the very least, hence the delegation of the League Cup press conferences.  That in itself ties into the joined up thinking and planning of development at a club level as well. Who best to pick up once Jurgen goes than the guy who was his right hand man? I easily get carried away about things like this, but it just screams modern day Shankly and Paisley to me.

Anyway - dreams and speculation aside. Great guy & great, informative conferences. Let's batter Fulham please.

[wige]

Calling it now, Pep to be announced within a month or so

[DelTrotter]

Hopefully not.

[Draex]

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/jurgen-klopp-announces-decision-step-down-liverpool-manager-end-season

Pep is leaving along with Klopp.

[wige]

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/jurgen-klopp-announces-decision-step-down-liverpool-manager-end-season

Pep is leaving along with Klopp.

See - called it

[disgraced cake]

The only reason I'd have had him on as manager is if it was for a season of transition in which we knew a year down the line we could get the next best thing (Alonso for example). Great coach but it's for the best he doesn't follow Klopp.


'Our identity IS intensity' - Still get goosebumps watching that, especially as he names Curtis and Elliot who were only teenagers at the time.


The only Pep I know 

[L.Suarez]

Steping down as a assistant doesn't mean he won't be considered for the main job.

[daniel.owen89]

Anyone else think with him and so many other members of the coaching staff leaving it means they have already filled the position, and the new appointment wants to bring their own staff?

[Zimagic]

Anyone else think with him and so many other members of the coaching staff leaving it means they have already filled the position, and the new appointment wants to bring their own staff?

Seems logical. Otherwise there'd always be people jumping on the "Pep should have become manager" from the first bad result.

If the club wanted Pep, and Pep wanted the job, he wouldn't be leaving. Ergo, the club wants someone else in who they have already identified and who already has a full staff coming in with them.

[richmiller1]

Anyone else think with him and so many other members of the coaching staff leaving it means they have already filled the position, and the new appointment wants to bring their own staff?

The timing of that announcement does seem odd.

Could equally mean they are all following Klopp, who you'd assume will now pick up the Germany or Bayern job in due course

[b_joseph]

Steping down as a assistant doesn't mean he won't be considered for the main job.

Considering they have known since November. I'd be shocked if this were the road to him being announced.

Mass changes are afoot...buckle up

[redbyrdz]

Anyone else think with him and so many other members of the coaching staff leaving it means they have already filled the position, and the new appointment wants to bring their own staff?

No, I think he wants to go and manage a club himself, but he didn't want to jump off and leave Klopp when he was needed last season or so. Seems good timing for him to go at the same time as his boss.

I wonder if the other coaches will stay with him for his next job.

I also wonder if he'll be back some day. Would make sense to get experience as the main man somewhere else first though. Following Klopp directly will be tough.

[wige]

Anyone else think with him and so many other members of the coaching staff leaving it means they have already filled the position, and the new appointment wants to bring their own staff?

Yes.

At the very least the wheels will have been in motion for a while. Think that's clear from FSG's history.

I honestly thought we had 'boot room' like succession plans in place, but clearly that was nostalgic nonsense in my brain.

[redk84]

No, I think he wants to go and manage a club himself, but he didn't want to jump off and leave Klopp when he was needed last season or so. Seems good timing for him to go at the same time as his boss.

I wonder if the other coaches will stay with him for his next job.

I also wonder if he'll be back some day. Would make sense to get experience as the main man somewhere else first though. Following Klopp directly will be tough.

Didn't he try that already and then come back as assistant?

[MD1990]

Assistant managers Pepijn Lijnders and Peter Krawietz, as well as elite development coach Vitor Matos, will also vacate their positions at the end of the season, with Lijnders keen to pursue his own career in management.

basically confirms he isnt getting a promotion imo

[Suareznumber7]

Pretty surprised he's leaving as well.  I thought for sure he'd be nailed on as the next manager with FSG's track record of hiring from within. 

[OOS]

So we are getting a full reboot in the summer. Just hope we get it right and build on what we have.

[redbyrdz]

Assistant managers Pepijn Lijnders and Peter Krawietz, as well as elite development coach Vitor Matos, will also vacate their positions at the end of the season, with Lijnders keen to pursue his own career in management.

basically confirms he isnt getting a promotion imo

Technically from the wording he could "vacate his position" as assistant manager and "persue his own career in management" at the same club....

Don't think that is likely though unfortunately.