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                         Liverpool FC vs Spartak Moscow
                        Champions League Showdown – Group E




                         

Anfield Nights


Date, Time and Betting Line
Anfield: Wednesday December 6th, 2017 – 19:45pm

Paddy Power
-   LFC win 2/9
-   Draw 11/2
-   Spartak win 12/1

Injury Updates – 2 Leg
Spartak – D Kombarov (out, ribs), Ze Luis (possible, toe) Q Promes (unknown, calf)

Liverpool – N Clyne (out back), J Matip (out muscle injury), A Lallana (possible, groin)
 
First Meeting in Moscow

•   1-1 in Moscow – Liverbirds “Woulda Shoulda Coulda”
•   Coutinho (30’) and Fernando (23’) – Nyet Love from Russia
•   Since September, Spartak have only lost one game in either the ECL or domestic league (Sevilla 2-1).  They have won their last 4 matches in their league and have moved up to 4th, within striking distance of the top teams CSKA, FC Zenit, and Locomotiv.
•   For more specific breakdowns of Spartak Moscow side (see pre-game thread by Stockdam and post-game review) linked here:
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=336722.0
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=336736.0
•   This game thread review observes the belief that we need to be more worried about ourselves and how we play than the opponent

Recent Form & Unpredictable Lineups
Liverpool

     @ Brighton      5-1     Migs, Arnold, Can, Lovren, Robertson, Gini, Milner, Henderson, Bobby, Phil, Mo
     @ Stoke          3-0     Migs, Gomez, Matip, Lovren, Moreno, Ox, Can, Gini, Bobby, Sadio, Dominic
     Chelsea           1-1     Migs, Gomez, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Phil, Milner, Henderson, Ox, Daniel, Mo
    @ Sevilla          3-3     Loris, Gomez, Klavan, Lovren, Moreno, Phil, Gini, Henderson, Bobby, Sadio, Mo
     Southampton  3-0     Migs, Arnold, Klavan, Lovren, Moreno, Phil, Gini, Henderson, Bobby, Sadio, Mo
    @ W Ham        4-1     Migs, Gomez, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Can, Gini, Ox, Bobby, Sadio, Mo
    Maribor            3-0     Loris, Arnold, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Can, Gini, Milner, Ox, Bobby, Mo
    Huddersfield   3-0     Migs, Gomez, Matip, Klavan, Moreno, Henderson, Gini, Milner, Bobby, Daniel, Mo
    @ Spurs           1-4     Migs, Gomez, Matip, Lovren, Moreno, Can, Milner, Henderson, Bobby, Phil, Mo
    Maribor           7-0     Loris, Arnold, Matip, Lovren, Moreno, Can, Milner, Gini, Bobby, Phil, Mo

Last 10 matches -7 wins 2 draws 1 loss; 33 GF & 10 GAA


It should be noted that we have seen only a handful of games this season where Mo, Bobby, Sadio and Phil have been on the pitch, healthy at the same time.  The best is yet to come for Liverpool?

Let us not get TOO excited just yet


Summary

Three points to make here as we embark upon the possibility of more Anfield Nights for the dreamers in red. 

1.   It is time for THIS TEAM to put down a marker in Europe.

A this is who we are-kind-of-marker.  This is what we stand for.

Previous “Woulda, Shoulda Coulda” crap needs to be sorted out in variety of ways.  We do this by slamming the door shut upon the opponent when leading (no silly fouls, keep the ball, patiently decide when to go forward, and kill the game’s spirit).  Clean sheets are important as are how we defend set pieces. The game at Anfield on Wednesday evening is one where we can do some real damage as a group to be reckoned with, or we can damage ourselves in an irreparable manner. 

This has all of the hallmarks of a season defining game.  Spurs, Plastics, hated Mancs, and less hated Manc citizens are all leading their ECL groups.  It would be a shame to not follow suit and give the avid red fan base a permanent neuroses or aneurysm. 

2.   I do not want hear about how average Spartak Moscow are any more.  This is an absolute waste of supporting energy and just plain wrong. 

The facts are:
A.     Spartak can steal our place in the final 16 with a win
B.     They are certainly capable of beating us
C.     Past is not always a good predictor of future performance
D.     Betting odds favorites do lose from time to time (see Italy, Holland, and the US in world cup qualifying)
E.     Sports are the one venue where what should not happen, happens with a loud resounding thud.

Let us take this game very seriously as supporters.  One key and remarkable factor that the author Naomi Klein points out is that with most males in the world who drift into precarious situations of unfortunate events is that they tend to overestimate their own abilities to navigate events while at the precise time underestimating their opponents.  Let us do the opposite this night.

3.   LFC as “Positive Beacon of Hope” in cold lonely world

This bit is the more personal part of the summation pregame, but I do think it is important to say a few words about disappointment, resilience, and finding a community who will change your online name to Barneylovesfookinchrimbo. 

First, it is important to remind everyone reading this that we are not so far away from when Jurgen Klopp joined us.  I know, a lot has happened in the league, and to us as well, but in a culture where information is mined, synthesized and pre-packaged to us demanding immediate attention, we should still revel in the fact he is our manager.   In fact, if you want a dose of short-term joy in your life, check out the Gifsteria thread.  It is a breathing relic of our recent RAWK history gifs and our own joy quotients.  This is something we can look back on and feel good again – like old pictures of family.

Second, we live during a really, shitty time.  For many around the world, either LFC serves as a distraction from the hard realities of modern day Neoliberal Crony Capitalism or it unites people over less serious matters than a young child who is ill or a family member who passes away.   All around us, we can see our world is changing in unpredictable and often virulent ways.  Violence, corruption, and downright horrible attitudes infect our local and global cultures in ways I would have found it difficult to believe 30 years ago.  This leaks into our club supporting as well.  But it does seem to me that this club is an inoculation against the worst types of injustice (Justice for 96)!

For myself, and the current clubs’ trajectory, I can be an arrogant, blind bastard – and direct negative energy in a series of laser beam guided centurions as if my mission was to guard the Mona Lisa with argumentation.  Blasting Alberto Moreno or slagging off Simon becomes a past time of familiar ventilation adding to the knap pack of injustice I feel as a supporter of the club and member of planet earth. 

Just a bit more touchy than I used to be.  A bit less resilient too.
It is odd, but the more I watch intently, the more negative I get.  So, I stop for a while and take inventory. 

What I come up with? 

Well, I should be grateful to have another Anfield night.  They do not grow on trees you know.  I am grateful to see Phase of Play back in the site to combine with the excellence of BabuYogu.  I miss Timbo more than he knows.  I have decided this winter to stay away from most every transfer window discussion as there is an inverse ratio between my greed and gratitude when it comes to getting VVD. 

Most of all, I am just going to enjoy watching the team progress.  It is a process, I am told.  And we are watching it unfold, together.

 Like Liverbirds of the red feather!

YNWA
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Just win lads.

Hopefully Klavan is fit for this and Gomez recovers from illness. I imagine Mane goes back in the line up, and I'm not sure if Firmino starts [not because he doesn't deserve it], but don't see hiim playing 3 games in a week with the derby coming up. Ox in midfield more than likely for Milner.

I could see Sturridge starting in this.

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brilliant write up

Preferred starting 11

               karius

Gomez  Lovren Klavan Moreno

         hendo gini coutinho

           salah bobby mane

subs: Mig, AA, Robbo, Lallana, chambo, danny


should be able to qualify without any heart attacks hopefully
 


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We were much better than them in the away game. Only way we don't win is through ourselves, play like we have done since the Spurs game and 9/10 times we win this.

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No idea how we didn't beat them by at least 3 goals the last time around. I can't see this being particularly tricky for us.

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We should beat these. They are shite on the road and we are in good form. We look fresh, presumably mane comes back in too. No reason not to feel confident.

4-0!!!!

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Any more information on Quincy Promes’ injury?

They are a completely different team when he plays.
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #10 on: December 3, 2017, 10:18:25 am »
HURRAH!

COME ON THE MIGHTY LIVERMEN OF MERSEYPOOL!!!

UP THE CHUFFERS!!

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #11 on: December 3, 2017, 10:31:44 am »
We've got this under control. Our game over there should've ended with a comfortable win if it wasn't for our rotten luck in finishing all the chances we created. I predict a win with Mane scoring.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #12 on: December 3, 2017, 11:24:36 am »
These were one of the worst teams I've seen at Champions League level during the game in Moscow. I'd be astounded if we didn't win.
Russian teams historically do not travel well.
Having said all of that I would hope the team aren't complacent in any way.
Do our job properly and we'll win comfortably.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #13 on: December 3, 2017, 11:34:18 am »
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     Trent Lovren Klavan Robbo
                  Hendo Gini
                    Coutinho
             Ox Sturridge Mane

Really like the look of that team, Bobby and Mo kept in reserve just in case and hopefully we see Lallana get some minutes.
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #14 on: December 3, 2017, 11:37:33 am »
Think we'll get at least the draw needed to qualify, we're in great form at the moment. I don't care if we end up first or second, lets get to the knockout stages where we belong!

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #15 on: December 3, 2017, 12:12:45 pm »
Top notch OP. Thanks mate.

We really need to give the atmosphere of our lives and scare them like we did to Villareal in the Europa League semi final. Will go a long way in lifting our lads and getting rid of the 'giving up leads' notion. We can certainly do that as Anfield nights in the CL are exactly known for doing it. Come on!

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #16 on: December 3, 2017, 12:14:28 pm »
These were one of the worst teams I've seen at Champions League level during the game in Moscow. I'd be astounded if we didn't win.
Russian teams historically do not travel well.
Having said all of that I would hope the team aren't complacent in any way.
Do our job properly and we'll win comfortably.

Or it could be that they had one bad game. They're certainly doing well in their league putting up a good run and I saw a video where they pulled of one of the classiest goals in some time. They also matched toe-to-toe with Sevilla in their games with them.

We should be on our toes for this one.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #17 on: December 3, 2017, 12:18:11 pm »
Or it could be that they had one bad game. They're certainly doing well in their league putting up a good run and I saw a video where they pulled of one of the classiest goals in some time. They also matched toe-to-toe with Sevilla in their games with them.

We should be on our toes for this one.

More than matched Sevilla. Beat them 5-1 if I recall.

No complacency on or off the pitch.

Hope the police are ready for a bit more 80s style "support" from their fans though, after the recent trouble with the Atalanta lot and their German allies.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #18 on: December 3, 2017, 12:37:31 pm »
Lovely OP. Thanks
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #19 on: December 3, 2017, 12:56:10 pm »
Reasonably confident as they need to win.

Not sure they will be able to cope with an attack that is likely to include Mane, Salah, Firmino and Phil.

Does Jurgen bring in Ox in midfield? Where is Lallana?

Think we'll win 3 -0.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #20 on: December 3, 2017, 12:57:49 pm »
Reasonably confident as they need to win.

Not sure they will be able to cope with an attack that is likely to include Mane, Salah, Firmino and Phil.

Does Jurgen bring in Ox in midfield? Where is Lallana?

Think we'll win 3 -0.

Lallana had a slight knock so they didn't want to rush him back. Thanks to the rest of our attacking squad being in good condition we can take our time with him, without taking any undue risks.
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #21 on: December 3, 2017, 12:58:45 pm »
Outstanding OP. Can, Gini and Coutinho in midfield. Mane in front 3.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #22 on: December 3, 2017, 01:01:57 pm »
Or it could be that they had one bad game. They're certainly doing well in their league putting up a good run and I saw a video where they pulled of one of the classiest goals in some time. They also matched toe-to-toe with Sevilla in their games with them.

We should be on our toes for this one.

This is my fear too.  They may have had an off period or played dead for awhile.   These kinds of games can be so dangerous --- we need to treat these guys with real respect.  They will come here looking to stun us with everything they have.

What's important is how we find spaces in the final third, win second balls, and defend set pieces.  In fact, these are almost always critical in winning.    Thanks for the kind words!

No word on Quincey Promes yet --- says he had thigh/calf muscle thingy on the December 1st against Arsenal Tula.  But his availability is unknown ---  https://www.online-betting.me.uk/champions-league-injuries-and-suspensions.php

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #23 on: December 3, 2017, 02:29:22 pm »
I've forgotten about this with the derby being next week. Can't say I'm that fussed about it, I mean I want to go through like but I don't care if it's 0-0 as long as we beat the ev next week. That game is the be all and end all to me!

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #24 on: December 3, 2017, 03:04:33 pm »
Not going to be on 5live for some reason. Very odd decision.
Beatings will continue until morale improves...

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #26 on: December 3, 2017, 03:42:45 pm »
Should hopefully have too much for this lot at home.. But we can't afford to be complacent..
We also can't afford to take the foot of the gas after tearing them a new one early on.. We have done that on various occasions this season..

As for the team.. Given how much Jurgen has rotated this season, it's not easy to guess the starting eleven.. I guess Mane is a shoe in to start given his rest at Brighton.. I would prefer to go with:

                               Karius

  TAA             Lovren         Klavan          Moreno

              Gini            Can          Milner

           Salah           Firmino           Mane
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #27 on: December 3, 2017, 03:46:31 pm »
Great OP, cheers. Hoping for an absolutely belting evening on Wednesday, let's put these to the sword.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #28 on: December 3, 2017, 03:47:39 pm »
Biggest game of the season so far.  Really looking forward to this one. 

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #29 on: December 3, 2017, 03:50:39 pm »
Should hopefully have too much for this lot at home.. But we can't afford to be complacent..
We also can't afford to take the foot of the gas after tearing them a new one early on.. We have done that on various occasions this season..

As for the team.. Given how much Jurgen has rotated this season, it's not easy to guess the starting eleven.. I guess Mane is a shoe in to start given his rest at Brighton.. I would prefer to go with:

                               Karius

  TAA             Lovren         Klavan          Moreno

              Gini            Can          Milner

           Salah           Firmino           Mane

I think we should start a new thread entitled guess our latest line-up.  ;D  What a pain it must be for the opposition who won't have a clue who Klopp will pick from one game to the next. We have so many attacking options that I am just loving waiting and finding out the latest team. I think its odds on that Mane will play though.  :)
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #30 on: December 3, 2017, 04:05:47 pm »
Should hopefully have too much for this lot at home.. But we can't afford to be complacent..
We also can't afford to take the foot of the gas after tearing them a new one early on.. We have done that on various occasions this season..

As for the team.. Given how much Jurgen has rotated this season, it's not easy to guess the starting eleven.. I guess Mane is a shoe in to start given his rest at Brighton.. I would prefer to go with:

                               Karius

  TAA             Lovren         Klavan          Moreno

              Gini            Can          Milner

           Salah           Firmino           Mane

Phil has to start following his performance at Brighton. These could be difficult to break down so we need his creativity and intuitiveness.
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #31 on: December 3, 2017, 04:10:34 pm »
So there's a scenario where we go 1-0 down at half time and Sevilla are winning and then the table reads:

1. Sevilla (11 points)
2. Spartak (9 points)
3. Liverpool (9 points)

It goes to head to head then doesn't it? Which they'd win (if they get the win at Anfield, as we drew 1-1 at theirs).

With our form, that should never be an issue and we should never get into the position, but this is the Champions League, and it's Liverpool...

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #32 on: December 3, 2017, 04:13:53 pm »
So there's a scenario where we go 1-0 down at half time and Sevilla are winning and then the table reads:

1. Sevilla (11 points)
2. Spartak (9 points)
3. Liverpool (9 points)

It goes to head to head then doesn't it? Which they'd win (if they get the win at Anfield, as we drew 1-1 at theirs).

With our form, that should never be an issue and we should never get into the position, but this is the Champions League, and it's Liverpool...

Olympiakos part 2 coming up. "Firmino... lovely cushioned header... for SALAAAAAAAAAAH"

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #33 on: December 3, 2017, 04:17:19 pm »
Phil has to start following his performance at Brighton. These could be difficult to break down so we need his creativity and intuitiveness.

Look what a rested Phil did against Brighton.. 3 assists.. 1 goal and totally ran the show..
I would have him on the bench for these and unleash him in the Derby..
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #34 on: December 3, 2017, 04:37:58 pm »
Good OP!
We need to take charge of this game from the start. It's a game we should win, but there's the small matter of actually getting the job done too. We have not been particularly good at it so far in the CL. As it as said in the OP, it's time for this team to make its mark in Europe. That time is now. Ideally, the crowd will be up for it and create a positive atmosphere on the night.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #35 on: December 3, 2017, 04:42:50 pm »
Look what a rested Phil did against Brighton.. 3 assists.. 1 goal and totally ran the show..
I would have him on the bench for these and unleash him in the Derby..

Fair point but I still think people are underestimating this game. Yes the derby is important but an unpredictable European night against a team that can either melt under pressure or perform like titans is not one to be taken lightly.

Start the strongest players.
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #36 on: December 3, 2017, 04:47:06 pm »
Its a bit crazy all these games in quick succession, thank god the derby is on a Sunday so at least there is time to get some Christmas shopping in.

Think we might go with our strongest side with a mixed side on Sunday.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #37 on: December 3, 2017, 04:53:20 pm »
On paper this should be a win. But we never seem to do anything easy. If spartak beat us they qualify, so why wouldn't they give it their all. I think we need to get at them from the off and play our best players.
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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #38 on: December 3, 2017, 05:01:08 pm »
I've forgotten about this with the derby being next week. Can't say I'm that fussed about it, I mean I want to go through like but I don't care if it's 0-0 as long as we beat the ev next week. That game is the be all and end all to me!

Classic Bluenose mentality. Their season is made if they beat us (which doesn't happen often) regardless of whatever happens otherwise.

Make no mistake, this is a crucial CL game - will say a lot about our progress and it's crucial for the club in many ways, financially as well.

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Re: Liverpool vs. Spartak Moscow - December 6, 2017 Anfield 19:45pm (Group E)
« Reply #39 on: December 3, 2017, 05:14:49 pm »
On paper this should be a win. But we never seem to do anything easy. If spartak beat us they qualify, so why wouldn't they give it their all. I think we need to get at them from the off and play our best players.

Getting at them from the off isn't our problem.. It's holding onto the lead (however big) in the second half that had been the issue..
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