Topic: General Election on June 8th

[Trada]

So the Tories are going to offer a years unpaid leave if you want to care for a family member.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4505416/Your-right-time-sick-relative-needs-care.html#comments

Which poses a number of questions.

1. What happens at the end of the year if your family member still needs care and you have to go back to work?

2. What will these free carers use to live on and pay the bills for a year will they be able to claim all state benefits etc?

3. How will the company deal with losing a worker for a year and will your job still be guarantee after the year?

4. Will the family member be sent to a ATOS like test to prove they need a carer?

5. If not won't people who can afford a year off. just think I will take a year off and tell them Im looking after a family member?

[B0151?]

As YouGov put it:

@YouGov
In short, those parties focusing on Remain voters are casting their rods into a small pond while the Conservatives fish in a massive lake

[B0151?]

See that's the thing about being strongly anti Brexit. The strongly pro-EU folks were always a minority in comparison to the strongly anti-EU folks, and the people who didn't really have their mind made up either way - and now just think the result should be respected. That's why Leave ended up winning after all.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Why doesn't that diagram show those that voted leave but have changed their minds?

[Alan_X]

Why doesn't that diagram show those that voted leave but have changed their minds?

Maybe there aren't as many as we thought? It must be in the raw data.

[Danny Boys Dad]

Graph shows some of the hard remainers as UKIP voters, how big a numpty do you have to be to do that?

[It's Jimmy Corkhill]

Graph shows some of the hard remainers as UKIP voters, how big a numpty do you have to be to do that?

It's the changed political landscape. Labour are having wade through landmines to keep as many people onside as possible.

[filopastry]

Why doesn't that diagram show those that voted leave but have changed their minds?

There's nothing much in any polling I've seen to indicate that there has been a significant move of opinion since the vote from Leave to Remain

[Alan_X]

Why doesn't that diagram show those that voted leave but have changed their minds?

The question wasn't posed that way:



People were asked which of three groups best fitted their position.

This is the result as a gif:

[filopastry]

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 48% (+1)
LAB: 30% (-)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
UKIP: 4% (-)

(via @Survation / 12 - 13 May)

[CornerFlag]

New website to stop the Tories.  I remain ever the optimist.

Though the website sounds like when I go for a shit in an all-you-can-eat to fit more in.

https://www.tactical2017.com

[oldfordie]

See that's the thing about being strongly anti Brexit. The strongly pro-EU folks were always a minority in comparison to the strongly anti-EU folks, and the people who didn't really have their mind made up either way - and now just think the result should be respected. That's why Leave ended up winning after all.

You may well be right about the doubters and some stay voters being won over but this is only down to a Tory government and right wing media propaganda convincing them to get behind the country rather than question the motives and logic of the Torys governments Brexit.
I don't think many people gave that much thought about Brexit to it till UKIP came along. now suddenly everyone hates the EU, we've seen it time and time again since the ref result. people arguing how strongly they feel about getting rid of these EU rules and regulations but being unable to quote one example to justify their opinion.
I see Corbyn has come out and said we must have control over FOM yet he's arguing how vital it is to get full access to the SM. so what would he do when the EU refuse to allow us to have control over FOM. the choices are, go for a hard Brexit or accept FOM giving us a soft Brexit, maybe another referendum to let the public decide. he has to lay his cards out on the table and stop sitting on the fence.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-finally-accepts-brexit-10424465

[filopastry]

The latest Guardian/ICM polling figures are out, and although they show a very modest reduction in the Conservative lead over the last seven days, the overall picture remains the same; the Tory lead remains massive, the poll suggests.

Here are the figures.

Conservatives: 48% (down 1 from Guardian/ICM a week ago)

Labour: 28% (up 1)

Lib Dems: 10% (up 1)

Ukip: 6% (no change)

Greens: 3% (no change)

Conservative lead: 20 points (down 2)

And this is what Martin Boon, ICM’s director, is saying about them.

In a week when the eagerly awaited but already much discussed manifesto’s drop, Theresa May can head into it confident that her poll lead is largely impregnable. While other polls of late have seen Labour increase its share into the 30s, (beyond the share that both Gordon Brown and Ed Miliband secured), ICM still puts Jeremy Corbyn’s party on 28% (which is up one-point compared to the Guardian’s last poll earlier this month.

The question as to why ICM has consistently lower Labour shares than other pollster is fairly easy to identify – our turnout weighting mechanism is doing exactly the job we intended it to, reducing the power in the sample of those historically less likely to vote in general elections, and doing the reverse for those typically most likely to vote. Other methodological adjustments do, of course, leave their own imprint - sometimes underpinning and sometimes counter-balancing the turnout weight, but turnout weighting is undoubtedly pivotal to our headline numbers.

[TepidT2O]

Worth noting that I caught something on the radio this weekend saying that internal party polling from both parties shows that labour will do very well to get those figures in the election.  The suggest was that 25% was morec realistic..

[Trada]

May tried another walk about.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/M00594_WY2o&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/M00594_WY2o&amp;feature=youtu.be</a>

[Cliff Bastin]

The Conservatives are going to get nearly all the UKIP votes. The Brexit vote is powerful.

[ShakaHislop]

You may well be right about the doubters and some stay voters being won over but this is only down to a Tory government and right wing media propaganda convincing them to get behind the country rather than question the motives and logic of the Torys governments Brexit.
I don't think many people gave that much thought about Brexit to it till UKIP came along. now suddenly everyone hates the EU, we've seen it time and time again since the ref result. people arguing how strongly they feel about getting rid of these EU rules and regulations but being unable to quote one example to justify their opinion.
I see Corbyn has come out and said we must have control over FOM yet he's arguing how vital it is to get full access to the SM. so what would he do when the EU refuse to allow us to have control over FOM. the choices are, go for a hard Brexit or accept FOM giving us a soft Brexit, maybe another referendum to let the public decide. he has to lay his cards out on the table and stop sitting on the fence.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-finally-accepts-brexit-10424465

The spineless c*nt has finally come out with that then. He was reportedly set to do that during his relaunch as the British Trump at the start of the year but it wasn't mentioned in the speech he actually delivered.

His supporters will use this to defend further his pro-Brexit stance and evidence that he's reaching out to those infamous Labour Northern vulnerable-to-UKIP voters but from what I've read, those voters have long dismissed him as a looney, "open borders" liberal and are probably voting Tory anyway. He's therefore betraying his principles for nothing.

[Trada]

Looks like the whole village of Hebden Bridge come out to see Jeremy today did a speech in a packed hall then had to do another one to the huge crowd outside.

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/864117098464890880

[Libertine]

Looks like the whole village of Hebden Bridge come out to see Jeremy today did a speech in a packed hall then had to do another one to the huge crowd outside.

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/864117098464890880

He's just skipped the election and gone straight onto the next leadership contest, hasn't he?

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

Looks like the whole village of Hebden Bridge come out to see Jeremy today did a speech in a packed hall then had to do another one to the huge crowd outside.

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/864117098464890880

Preaching to the choir though, as ever.

All these statuses about how May gets less people at her 'rallies' - doesn't matter one tiny little fuck, because anyone who turns up at a Corbyn rally is already a Labour voter - May doesn't care if people come out to see her because she's already got 40% of the electorates vote. The 'already voting Labour' crowd is worth fuck all, because its not these people Corbyn needs to convert, is it.

Its going to be a bloodbath.

[Alan_X]

Looks like the whole village of Hebden Bridge come out to see Jeremy today did a speech in a packed hall then had to do another one to the huge crowd outside.

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/864117098464890880

Hurrah for Hebden Bridge!

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 48% (+1)
LAB: 30% (-)
LDEM: 8% (+1)
UKIP: 4% (-)

(via @Survation / 12 - 13 May)

[Trada]

My finger is aching from the number of times I have pressed the unhappy face during Mays live Facebook chat.

[Mr Dilkington]

My finger is aching from the number of times I have pressed the unhappy face during Mays live Facebook chat.

This will almost certainly ensure a Labour win on June 8th.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

My finger is aching from the number of times I have pressed the unhappy face during Mays live Facebook chat.

You know this doesn't make one iota of difference in the real world, don't you?

It's like playing the shittest video game ever.

[Zeb]

May tried another walk about.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/M00594_WY2o&amp;feature=youtu.be" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/M00594_WY2o&amp;feature=youtu.be</a>

"I'm living on £25 a week because your new assessment system removed my disability benefits"
"We're making sure the money goes to those in need, which doesn't include you Cathy - even though you have a mild learning disability, previously had support to help you live independently, and are now expected to live on £25 a week."

Not the nasty party.

[Trada]

You know this doesn't make one iota of difference in the real world, don't you?

It's like playing the shittest video game ever.

I know but it cheered me up

[Trada]

Jeremy doing a election Rally in Leeds soon police have had to close down roads because 100's of people have turned up.

https://twitter.com/BBCJamesVincent/status/864134489374691328

[So… Howard Philips]

Looks like the whole village of Hebden Bridge come out to see Jeremy today did a speech in a packed hall then had to do another one to the huge crowd outside.

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/864117098464890880

Did Bernard Ingham turn up then?

[Gerry Attrick]

Jeremy doing a election Rally in Leeds soon police have had to close down roads because 100's of people have turned up.

https://twitter.com/BBCJamesVincent/status/864134489374691328

What is the point in posting these, really? We already know that Corbyn is more than capable of giving speeches to his supporters. If you were posting material that showed him debating with people that don't necessarily agree with him or trying to win over undecided voters that'd be welcomed I'm sure.

[jillcwhomever]

What is the point in posting these, really? We already know that Corbyn is more than capable of giving speeches to his supporters. If you were posting material that showed him debating with people that don't necessarily agree with him or trying to win over undecided voters that'd be welcomed I'm sure.

Sadly that won't happen as he doesn't do it.

[oldfordie]

The spineless c*nt has finally come out with that then. He was reportedly set to do that during his relaunch as the British Trump at the start of the year but it wasn't mentioned in the speech he actually delivered.

His supporters will use this to defend further his pro-Brexit stance and evidence that he's reaching out to those infamous Labour Northern vulnerable-to-UKIP voters but from what I've read, those voters have long dismissed him as a looney, "open borders" liberal and are probably voting Tory anyway. He's therefore betraying his principles for nothing.

10 months on from the referendum and we still don't know what he would do over Brexit. he knows we wont get what he wants without accepting FOM yet he's still trying to get Labour voters to support his view on Brexit, he might as well come out with it and say he cant see us getting what we want from the EU and if we dont then I will go for a hard Brexit, why is he so reluctant to tell voters the hard facts on Brexit.

[Trada]

What is the point in posting these, really? We already know that Corbyn is more than capable of giving speeches to his supporters. If you were posting material that showed him debating with people that don't necessarily agree with him or trying to win over undecided voters that'd be welcomed I'm sure.

I thought this was the Election thread and this is part of the election.

What am I missing?

You could just skip past the post.

[bigbonedrawky]

He's just skipped the election and gone straight onto the next leadership contest, hasn't he?

Most of his critics within The Labour Party are still fighting the first Leadership Election things didn't change during the EU referendum and it won't change for a General Election either.
   
 

 

[Mr Dilkington]

Theresa May saying she's against the legalization of cannabis because "It would have too much impact on people in terms of drug use - and mental health."

[Trada]

Love the fact that Jeremy sent May a question during the live Facebook chat and Peston asked her to answer it.

[WhoHe]

Looks like the whole village of Hebden Bridge come out to see Jeremy today did a speech in a packed hall then had to do another one to the huge crowd outside.

https://twitter.com/LabourEoin/status/864117098464890880

Wowing Labour supporting crowds - I cant believe it, victory is just around the corner !

This comment just about sums it up

"Thats nice but big cheering crowds in Labour towns don't win elections. Im sure it'll make Jeremy feel loved but he'll still suffer a defeat"

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

I know but it cheered me up

Fair enough.

[TepidT2O]

He's just skipped the election and gone straight onto the next leadership contest, hasn't he?

Exactly what it is.

[TepidT2O]

Love the fact that Jeremy sent May a question during the live Facebook chat and Peston asked her to answer it.

Do you think it's right that his campaign is being run by a communist and  not a Labour Party person?

[SP]

I thought this was the Election thread and this is part of the election.

What am I missing?

You could just skip past the post.

The bit where you write posts rather than cut and paste them. RAWK is not intended to be a news source, it is a discussion board, post a news story and comment on it. Preferably something more meaningful than I ♥ JC.