It is an interesting thread with some good points on both sides. I guess parts of the post I quoted resonated with me slightly. I thought it might create a bit of discussion rather than the focus being on the idiotic point of him not being a good coach.
Cheers for the reply
That post you highlighted, like I said, did make me think it (constant pressing) is something worth addressing. I have seen it covered in the tactics thread.
Sorry if I'm one of the people who you feel is questioning your support - I find it hard to get proper discussions going after a loss! I apologise for singling you out. The negative train rolls on; the positive echo chamber rightly isn't better, and there is a difference between naivety and informed optimism. I think a forum is best when it's shared views, exchanged on an equal footing.
Top post Saul, I agree with it. We share some aspects like not ...getting...Can playing so much. Rafa did have an organisational aspect to his tactics that bullied teams, and we had the ability to finish teams off - not always, but one criticism I have right now is our strikers. Firminho isn't doing it, Studge is (as in that Dortmund reddit) "Injured or hot and cold", and Origi is young and seems - excitingly - a project for Klopp.
Continually pushing the limits of the players to see who he can really trust going forward? Maybe some of them need a season of extremity like Firmino who has played more minutes already this season than he did in the whole of the last one to get his body adjust to the rigors of the coming seasons. To have that context though you need to believe that this is all part of a much larger plan. I guess a good case can be made that maybe the fall off could never have been imagined so steep especially with the lack of experience in the league.
I think also, Klopp's style is absolutely rugged and demanding - it's why I want to see a bit more rotation, or a different approach if we can't dominate every game with pressing. There are a few solutions and a few posts in that Reddit highlighted he prefers to "Tinker" with his first 11, one I liked said "but he is ruthless" - good, he needs to be sometimes.
I do think there is a larger plan, but if even there is a time to show it, it's now
I overall fully back our manager. It's a nice feeling.
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There are tabloids today running headlines like KLOPP OUT, SAY KOP, and Hamann is saying it was ridiculous giving Jurgen a longer contract. I ignore those - it's just clickbait in my eyes. There is money to be made from inflaming opinions.
I'm only mentioning it so you all see it's slightly larger than this forum - but I think our support has a bit of a problem with patience, which I totally understand.
I haven't, to be fair, seen much AT ALL from
real people not backing Klopp. I think that stance at this point would be ludicrous.
I like that Dortmund thread as it very much gives an outsider opinion - but very much knows our manager and his methods. I am still as excited he's here after reading it.
I am excited to see what Jurgen does next, now I think the losses have gone a wee bit too far