Topic: Liverpool 2 - 2 Sunderland (Firmino 58' Lallana 69' Johnson 82' Defoe 88')

[RK7]

Oh, and people scream at him to distribute the ball quickly, and when he does, he just throws it at the opposition!

That was a shocker, I'm surprised Defoe didn't score that.

[didi]

Played really well second half but when you have players like, Moreno giving away a needless free and a keeper like ours its to be expected

[redk84]

Played well enough today

But again after conceding we fell apart. Even before that we literally stopped playing and let Sunderland have a go
We keep doing this....and I cannot understand it but to be 2-0 up in the 82nd minute and then drawing 2-2 at home to that dogshit Sunderland team is simply not good enough

The defence let us down today (migs surprise surprise and sakho too)....but it's too easy to get us rattled at the moment. And it always costs us. This wasn't a one off

Buuuut we know this is how it is right now and this season the league campaign has just been not good enough. The cups can offer some silver lining hopefully and I really hope we can win something.

The bedding in goes on for Klopp and I hope he's learning all the time. Because next season it can't be this bad this often at the very least

[Flaccido Dongingo]

I have no doubt that it is.  We know what he did at Dortmund, he identified exactly what needed to be done and got rid of the deadwood.  He'll do the same here, we have players on borrowed time at Liverpool who will be replaced, we need an overhaul and to rebuild and Klopp is the perfect manager to do that. 

Who they are are and what they cost is irrelevant; Mignolet, Moreno, Lallana, Benteke, the list goes on.  I'm very confident Klopp will get the trust and backing he needs to do what has to be done because I don't think that he'd be here otherwise, he's a very clever man who will be more aware than anyone that he has to rebuild this squad in order to get Liverpool moving in the right direction again.  It's just a shame we have to wait until May for it to begin in earnest.

Be lucky to recoup half of the outlay for each of these, all 4 are worse than they were perceived to be before they joined.

[Twitter.com]

How long do we think it will take Klopp to fix this mess?

4-6 transfer windows.

[TepidT2O]

TBF we were not that bad today bar the last 10 minutes.

Somewhat inept upfront in the first half, but much better in the second half.

Two very poor pieces of  of play cost us the game.  Mistakes.  And ones that happen too often....

There's no point in being good the rest of the game and then letting a goal in because you make a mistake....  And that happens time and time again

[RideTheWalrus]

Looks like Southampton are going ahead of us, too.

We're closer the relegation zone than the top...

[Tomo!]

He knows well the squad is not good enough, his face speaks a million words at times, but as Manager he cannot come out and say they are shite. This Summer I feel there will be a mass clear out and then following on from that additional players in a less dramatic clear out with better quality in the following windows.

3-4 more windows.

I hope there isn't a massive clear out, we need to break this cycle of ripping it up and starting from scratch because it doesn't work.

2 or 3 quality additions and try to build it up a bit more gradually will do me

[CrasherKid79]

The fucking sight of Mignolets face is enough to piss me off. Such a spineless player. I was watching Gomez for Watford midweek. A keeper well known for the occasional howler but my god he's entertaining, jumping round all over the place wearing his gum-shield, dishing out stick to his defenders. He's the kind of crazy you can live with. Simon on the other hand is so drab, plays like everything is hard work to him. He plays like being in goal for Liverpool is a fucking chore rather than an honour.

[MarkMcCee]

Generally don't buy into the opinion that we need a whole new squad but just thinking of the hundreds of millions of pounds that we've absolutely wasted makes my blood boil.
There must be some players in our squad that given one or two QUALITY additions around them can elevate their game and in turn change the whole negative narrative surrounding the team. Didn't think Moreno was as bad as some are making out, Can either.
What worries me is our midfield, there's just no player in there with undeniable ability who makes the players around him look better and can stand up when things are going to shit.

Klopp's job is certainly being made more difficult by the fixture congestion and ridiculous injury list, would be interested to see how many sessions he's actually had to work with the best 11 trying to get his ideas across instead of just recovery or light sessions.

[Samie]

I hope there isn't a massive clear out, we need to break this cycle of ripping it up and starting from scratch because it doesn't work.

2 or 3 quality additions and try to build it up a bit more gradually will do me

No,no this time we really do. Some of these deadwood will have been here three or 4 seasons and will have done nothing here.  Kloppo got rid of 17 players in his first full season at Dortmund.

[WorldChampions]

Ł77, we have conceded more goals than we have scored at home this season. Fuck.

[Kopenhagen]

We're closer the relegation zone than the top...

Chelsea will finish above us.

[Gerry83]

Will be harder for Klopp to get rid of these players though given their wages. Look at Enrique for example, we've been trying to get rid for the last 2 windows at least.

Other examples are Balotelli, Aspas, Alberto. To get rid of the players we have we'll either have to get lucky, take massive losses to subsidise player wages or loan them out to at least get them off the books.

[pjk66]

Is it me or did mignolet have the wall in completely the wrong are up? It's like be put the second man in line with the post, but the wrong second man. All Johnson did was take a standard low shot with a little curl and it went in. No unsighted, not a Worldy in top corner. Standard.

That's is bloody schoolboy stuff if you ask me and he should have to train with the under 18s and fined wages for that.

Abysmal.

I was sticking by him but more and more he shows how inept and costly he can be to our team

[RK7]

I hope there isn't a massive clear out, we need to break this cycle of ripping it up and starting from scratch because it doesn't work.

2 or 3 quality additions and try to build it up a bit more gradually will do me

It might if we have a manager who knows what he wants, he can not be expected to bring us success with another mans players.

[El Lobo]

Masch saying he won't finish his career at Barca btw.

We should be right on the blower. Come back and be captain, because we don't have one at the moment.

[WorldChampions]

Will be harder for Klopp to get rid of these players though given their wages. Look at Enrique for example, we've been trying to get rid for the last 2 windows at least.

Other examples are Balotelli, Aspas, Alberto. To get rid of the players we have we'll either have to get lucky, take massive losses to subsidise player wages or loan them out to at least get them off the books.

Exactly. Now Mignolet has his five year deal I expect to see his ugly mug for the duration too.

[Upinsmoke]

If I was Klopp I'd get a video of all the shite we produce, individuals like. It would be a few fucking hours like. I mean you've got Mignolet being Mignolet, Moreno diving in, crossing with his eyes shut. Sakho letting balls bounce and getting his positioning hideously wrong like against Mbokani and Defoe. You'd have Skrtel 10 yards deeper than everyone else shitting himself. Can delaying a pass, and delaying and delaying etc etc. Henderson spraying crossfield balls adding nothing to the play, trying fancy flicks which isn't in his skill set. Milner not hitting a corner for seven months. Lallana with lots of Cruyff turns but underhit/overhit passes.

Have a meeting with the owners, Ayre and TC.

Then do that great laugh he has, then put on his serious face and be like, what the fuck have you dumb bastards done.

[Schmidt]

TBF we were not that bad today bar the last 10 minutes.

We looked fine up until a point, but as usual we barely have anyone in the team who has the quality to score a goal. When your team has almost all of the ball, the opposition defence is all over the place and players are flooding into the area a goal is supposed to be inevitable, yet Firmino's opener still felt like a surprise because we were utterly toothless before that.

Henderson isn't captain material, he only shoots from range because he has time on the ball, as soon as it comes near him in the box he either lays it off to someone in a worse position or loses the opportunity altogether.

Milner has a woeful change of direction, his balance is awful and he rarely gets in decent positions.

Lallana lacks pace, strength and has an incredibly weak shot on him, he almost lost his chance at a goal today because he had to take an extra touch as usual instead of just firmly placing it into the open goal immediately.

These are the kind of players that it's okay to have a few of in the team, guyswho do the dirty work and then give the responsibility of winning the game to the more clinical players, but our entire team is full of them. It speaks volumes that people are desperate for a young, unproven striker like Origi to return to the team.

[Tomo!]

No,no this time we really do. Some of these deadwood will have been here three or 4 seasons and will have done nothing here.  Kloppo got rid of 17 players in his first full season at Dortmund.

Apart from 1 title challenge that we blew

[skivvy149]

Didn't think Moreno was as bad as some are making out, Can either.

Sorry, but Moreno is a liability, he has to stop giving away stuid free kicks and penalties, today it was him that gave away the stupid free kick to get them back in the game at 2-1, we have two better players who can play left back, Smith and Flanno

[Adeemo]

Masch saying he won't finish his career at Barca btw.

We should be right on the blower. Come back and be captain, because we don't have one at the moment.

That would be an outstanding move, sounds like he's after one last payday.

[Pistolero]

sickening...when you consider how rare goals are for us - and how hard we have to work for them....to just throw the fuckin advantage away like that is unforgivable......usual problems....no sustained pressure or guile upfront, no leadership whatsoever in the middle...and Fred Karno auditions at the back........and of all the fatheaded c*nts to giftwrap and hand a point to.....

[killer-heels]

Down to 9th currently.

We are actually getting worse.

[Geezer08]

That would be an outstanding move, sounds like he's after one last payday.

And to get away from the Spanish tax authorities

[TepidT2O]

sickening...when you consider how rare goals are for us - and how hard we have to work for them....to just throw the fuckin advantage away like that is unforgivable......usual problems....no sustained pressure or guile upfront, no leadership whatsoever in the middle...and Fred Karno auditions at the back........and of all the fatheaded c*nts to giftwrap and hand a point to.....

I can't imagine how smug the twat was in his interview....

Probably saying that they fully deserved it etc etc

[SerbianScouser]

Is it me or did mignolet have the wall in completely the wrong are up?

The wall was placed completely wrongly. No way should any player be able to hit that spot like Johnson did. That`s from a guy who picks up the most blatant back pass the other game. No words.

[Shepnois]

Down to 9th currently.

Dropping like a stone, we're on course for 10th - 13th at the moment.

[Suareznumber7]

Masch saying he won't finish his career at Barca btw.

We should be right on the blower. Come back and be captain, because we don't have one at the moment.

I'm pretty sure that I've read he wants to finish his career back home at his boyhood club. 

[Samie]

Apart from 1 title challenge that we blew

A great but an anomaly of a season. Our league position over the last 8 seasons is:

8 (currently)
6
2
7
8
6
7

[Kopenhagen]

The wall was placed completely wrongly. No way should any player be able to hit that spot like Johnson did. That`s from a guy who picks up the most blatant back pass the other game. No words.

He doesn't have one redeeming quality.

[killer-heels]

A great but an anomaly of a season. Our league position over the last 8 seasons is:

8 (currently)
6
2
7
8
6
7

It really is horrific viewing.

[SerbianScouser]

Dropping like a stone, we're on course for 10th - 13th at the moment.

Not really , if the players that are coming back can stay fit we`ll move up the table swiftly. But Klopp will need to have a hard look at our defence.

[Djimi Smicer34]

Apart from 1 title challenge that we blew

And any credit they had in the bank for that is gone.

There are going to be a lot of changes made to this squad, no one should be surprised if they happen this summer if Klopp can bring in the players he decides he wants and needs.

[Gerry83]

On current form finishing 10th is going to be a bonus!

[BCCC]

We looked fine up until a point, but as usual we barely have anyone in the team who has the quality to score a goal. When your team has almost all of the ball, the opposition defence is all over the place and players are flooding into the area a goal is supposed to be inevitable, yet Firmino's opener still felt like a surprise because we were utterly toothless before that.

As usual we looked about as sharp as a pair of nursery school scissors.

[Adeemo]

I'm pretty sure that I've read he wants to finish his career back home at his boyhood club. 

I reckon he'd fancy one last big move in Europe, before finishing his career at River.

[RedRabbit]

Sorry, but Moreno is a liability, he has to stop giving away stuid free kicks and penalties, today it was him that gave away the stupid free kick to get them back in the game at 2-1, we have two better players who can play left back, Smith and Flanno

Can't really blame him totally for that free kick. Someone should have hoofed that clear but tried to play it to him with two Sunderland players around. I forget who it was. Could have been anyone really.

[Zoomers]

Looks like Southampton are going ahead of us, too.

Well the league was done for us a while ago so I honestly couldn't get mad even if I wanted to.

Go all out in the cups, that's all I ask. (yes even with the same shit players)