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Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« on: March 23, 2017, 01:56:10 AM »
Liverpool are under investigation for allegedly tapping up and offering a forbidden inducement to a Stoke City schoolboy star.

The Anfield side are also accused of reneging on an agreement to pay the youngster’s school fees, leaving his parents – who pulled out of a deal with the club as a result – in thousands of pounds of debt.

To compound the family’s woes, the unnamed boy cannot now play for another team until Stoke receive a compensation fee of almost £50,000.

An investigation into the claims was launched earlier this year by the Premier League, which had already been looking into allegations related to a grievance Liverpool had about one of their own schoolboys joining Manchester City.

Both of the controversial transfers date back to last summer, when Liverpool allegedly tapped up a 12-year-old considered to be one of Stoke’s best youngsters.

The unnamed boy cannot now play for another team until Stoke receive a compensation fee of almost £50,000
The unnamed boy cannot now play for another team until Stoke receive a compensation fee of almost £50,000
Stoke had been paying the boy’s school fees as part of a contract signed by his parents, who wanted Liverpool to do the same.

Liverpool are alleged to have agreed to do so until the player turned 16, breaching a rule introduced around that time forbidding the practice unless a club offers to pay for all the schoolchildren on their books to be educated privately.

It is claimed that, on learning of this, Liverpool refused to honour their commitment, leaving the player’s parents liable for thousands of pounds in fees.

Stoke would have continued to pay those fees had the boy not moved to Anfield – even if his former club had released him.

The youngster’s footballing future was also left in limbo because of a controversial rule that prevents him playing for another team until Stoke are paid £49,000 in compensation.


A source with knowledge of the Premier League investigation said: “This is a shocking example of how children in Premier League football are being used and abused.

“This kid has done nothing wrong at all but he’s been left out in the cold and his parents are having to foot the bill for private education that they can’t afford.


“The whole thing is a total disgrace. Everyone at the top of the Premier League and both football clubs are fully aware of what has gone on, and it is something that must be stamped out of the game.

“Everyone knows how children’s lives and education are being ruined with the promise of football riches and it needs to stop.”

The Daily Telegraph revealed last year that children as young as 10 were being frozen out of the English’s game’s academy system because of compensation fees parents were unwittingly signing up to.

The Premier League this evening declined to comment on its investigation into Liverpool, one of a handful it is understood to be conducting into alleged breaches of its rules on the transfer of academy players.

It was forced to introduce a new five-step process for ratifying such moves following mounting concerns about the poaching of youngsters within the division.


One of those steps involves parents and clubs signing a declaration that no inducements have been offered for a schoolboy to switch allegiance, with the Premier League able to demand the phone records of all involved if it has any suspicions to the contrary.

It was unclear on Wednesday evening what sanction Liverpool would face if found guilty of breaching what are recently revamped regulations.

They and Stoke declined to comment last night on the investigation, the tapping-up allegation or the row over the school and compensation fees.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2017, 02:13:18 AM »
Sounds like some amateurish and very inconsiderate negotiating on our part.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2017, 02:22:13 AM »
Very strange situation indeed. Hopefully things will sort themselves out in the end, especially because the family seems to be in a real struggle.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2017, 02:34:06 AM »
Everyone taps up. Ain't nothing new. We just got caught doing it.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 02:59:22 AM »
It's 3am, so I may be being thick, but how have we tapped him up? We've gone back on an agreement in a contract, and we'll rightfully be taken to higher authority for that, but how exactly did we tap him up? Is it because you can't sign youngsters of a certain age now or what?

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 04:23:05 AM »
It would be interesting if Liverpool signed the contract honestly not knowing of the new rule that  "introduced around that time".  I obviously have no knowledge of this but maybe someone honestly goofed and when they found out about the new rule had no choice but to pull out. 

It is a very interesting rule to begin with... does this mean that PL clubs can no longer pay for private school for anyone unless they play for every young lad on their books?  Sounds like the rule is making sure all kids are treated equal but I wonder if it means a lot of kids unless they are really talented will get a contract.


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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 05:17:00 AM »
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2017, 06:54:23 AM »
Hmmm

We didn't pay the school fees as they would have been considered an illegal inducement...

So we haven't paid an illegal inducement even though the parents think we agreed to...

More to this I suspect...
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 07:20:04 AM »
Feels like the Premier League should have put something in their new rules so that players who get caught up in this, the ones they're trying to protect, don't end up caught in limbo whilst a long investigation is dragged out. Although I get where they're coming from trying to clear murky youth football recruitment the rule looks like it was intended to benefit the clubs not the young players.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 07:24:09 AM »
The important thing to remember is that the club is only under investigation, so as of right now should be considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Should we worry about points deduction ?

Chelsea got a suspended points deduction a while back, so I guess if found guilty that could happen.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2017, 07:24:22 AM »
It's 3am, so I may be being thick, but how have we tapped him up? We've gone back on an agreement in a contract, and we'll rightfully be taken to higher authority for that, but how exactly did we tap him up? Is it because you can't sign youngsters of a certain age now or what?
We offered to send him to a private school and pay the fee, something which we've done for lots of youth players we sign. There was a rule change last summer saying that clubs can't do that unless they offer to pay for all their youth players to go to private schools. If we offered them it before the rule came in and then backed out I'm not sure if we'll have done anything wrong, if we offered it knowing about the rule thinking we'd not get caught we'll take the fine or whatever.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2017, 07:45:38 AM »
I don't see anything in that article that suggests tapping up?

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2017, 07:52:27 AM »
Liverpool are under investigation for allegedly tapping up and offering a forbidden inducement to a Stoke City schoolboy star.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2017, 07:53:42 AM »
They have youngsters at Stoke?!
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2017, 07:54:25 AM »
Sounds like some amateurish and very inconsiderate negotiating on our part.

Or a family looking for compensation?  'A source said' probably means the family or their legal team. Maybe wait for the investigation to run its course before slagging off the club.
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2017, 08:28:58 AM »
Do Stoke pay for private schooling for all of their kids?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/03/22/liverpool-investigation-alleged-tapping-stoke-city-schoolboy/
The point is that Stoke already had an agreement to do so for the lad in question, and as this was a commitment made prior to the new rule, could have legitimately continued to do so. He moved to LFC, who agreed to pay his tuition, but then learned of the new rule and couldn't enter into this agreement, without funding all education for our youngsters, so we backed out of that.
I don't get where in the article we tapped the kid up, it sounds to me more like the parents are aggrieved that their diddums can't continue in his posh private education, I can't spot where we have done something wrong, but time I guess will tell as the investigation pans out
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2017, 11:37:12 AM »
The important thing to remember is that the club is only under investigation, so as of right now should be considered innocent unless proven guilty.

Chelsea got a suspended points deduction a while back, so I guess if found guilty that could happen.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2017, 11:46:24 AM »
Sounds like some amateurish and very inconsiderate negotiating on our part.

Errr no.

Sounds like the club agreed to match the deal with Stoke, when the ruling had changed they then said they were unable to do so.

Compo face at it's finest.

Why doesn't Stoke take the player back on? oh, because they'd rather have £50k

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2017, 02:50:42 PM »
Damn it we can't even do tapping right  :no :no :no
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2017, 03:05:29 PM »
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2017, 03:05:59 PM »
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2017, 03:41:28 PM »
It sounds like signing for Liverpool was an awful mistake for him because it's meant he's gotten screwed by the rules that purport to exist to protect youth development programs. I don't really see what the majority of this story has to do with the tapping up allegation, though. Seems like the sob story was really just the motivation to spill the beans because their kid being tapped up didn't work out in their favour. But maybe I'm wrong - it's obviously a complex situation.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2017, 03:51:43 PM »
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2017, 04:29:20 PM »
So presumably this kid can't go back to Stoke as the new rules mean they can't pay for his education again unless they pay for all their kids education?

Maybe a simplistic view, but why doesn't the kid go to a non exclusive school with fees totalling £1000's?

Yes its shit for the kid that he can't play until Stoke get compensation, but surely this is partly on the parents?

As others have said, I fail to see what specifically we've done wrong? The new rules brought in to "protect" kids seem to be doing the opposite?
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2017, 04:33:25 PM »
So presumably this kid can't go back to Stoke as the new rules mean they can't pay for his education again unless they pay for all their kids education?

Maybe a simplistic view, but why doesn't the kid go to a non exclusive school with fees totalling £1000's?

Yes its shit for the kid that he can't play until Stoke get compensation, but surely this is partly on the parents?

As others have said, I fail to see what specifically we've done wrong? The new rules brought in to "protect" kids seem to be doing the opposite?

It's compo face that's all. Though I do have some degree of sympathy for them, if I am honest. They have partly fucked up, been a victim of a change of ruling but were, in education terms, trying to do what is best by there kid.

Though I not that there isn't any mention of what they would pay the kid, if the club indeed pays 12 year olds.

Private School and Stoke v Secondary School and Liverpool FC.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2017, 04:47:01 PM »
I can't see what the Club has done wrong they were in negotiations acted in good faith and whilst the negotiations were going on the rules were changed. The only thing I would say is that it's a pity we don't have more clout with Football's administrators.
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« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2017, 09:30:04 PM »
Presumably if they retain him on the existing (or pre-existing) terms, Stoke will then have to offer private schooling to all their juniors. They'd be in the same boat as us. Surely there must be some sort of interim arrangement for existing agreements.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2017, 09:40:52 PM »
I can't see what the Club has done wrong.

I nearly fell off the shitter reading that! :lmao

Not that Liverpool are any worse than any other team for doing so, but it makes me sick the thought that we're travelling the country uprooting however many scores of kids because one of them might one day be good enough to get loaned to Fleetwood then released. They're just kids, let them play near home with their mates and for their schools and Sunday teams and their local professional teams and stop trying to convince them to come into your van full of puppies and candy just to ditch them in a lay-by when their not at least 5 foot 9 by age 14.
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« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2017, 10:36:33 PM »
I nearly fell off the shitter reading that! :lmao


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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2017, 07:35:17 AM »
I nearly fell off the shitter reading that! :lmao

Not that Liverpool are any worse than any other team for doing so, but it makes me sick the thought that we're travelling the country uprooting however many scores of kids because one of them might one day be good enough to get loaned to Fleetwood then released. They're just kids, let them play near home with their mates and for their schools and Sunday teams and their local professional teams and stop trying to convince them to come into your van full of puppies and candy just to ditch them in a lay-by when their not at least 5 foot 9 by age 14.

Oh its been proven has it? Here was me thinking it was an "investigation."  Could we wait until the results of it before slagging off the club?
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2017, 08:16:10 AM »
You literally quoted my post where I said I don't think Liverpool are any worse than anyone else but I don't like the idea of signing kids from across the country. And took from that the message that I feel Liverpool are "guilty".

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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2017, 12:21:41 PM »
I nearly fell off the shitter reading that! :lmao

Not that Liverpool are any worse than any other team for doing so, but it makes me sick the thought that we're travelling the country uprooting however many scores of kids because one of them might one day be good enough to get loaned to Fleetwood then released. They're just kids, let them play near home with their mates and for their schools and Sunday teams and their local professional teams and stop trying to convince them to come into your van full of puppies and candy just to ditch them in a lay-by when their not at least 5 foot 9 by age 14.
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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2017, 07:43:55 PM »
Meanwhile ...

http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/3088602/arsene-wenger-luis-suarez-wanted-to-join-arsenal-from-liverpool-in-2013

"It was very close, we had an agreement with the player," Wenger said. "We had been wrongly advised that he had a clause, you know, with a minimum [price]. But we had an agreement with the player. You can ask him."

They had an agreement with a player they didn't even have permission to speak to. Investigation to follow? Somehow I doubt it.

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Re: Liverpool under investigation for alleged tapping up
« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2017, 07:55:47 PM »
Meanwhile ...

http://www.espnfc.com/arsenal/story/3088602/arsene-wenger-luis-suarez-wanted-to-join-arsenal-from-liverpool-in-2013

"It was very close, we had an agreement with the player," Wenger said. "We had been wrongly advised that he had a clause, you know, with a minimum [price]. But we had an agreement with the player. You can ask him."

They had an agreement with a player they didn't even have permission to speak to. Investigation to follow? Somehow I doubt it.

Arsenal have the FA in their pocket as well now?

These two situations look very different, and most likely nothing will happen because of this investigation.