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« Reply #24400 on: March 29, 2017, 04:27:08 pm »
You're all wondering about the wall, aren't you?  Want to know the latest, courtesy of Interior Secretary Zinke:



Mexico are going to pay for the wall. And build it on their side of the border.   Jesus fucking wept.

To protect themselves?
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« Reply #24401 on: March 29, 2017, 04:28:56 pm »
There was a piece in the WaPo yesterday on Pence's wife.  In it the writer talks about having Trump having to apologise to her over that, etc.
It's a long-standing thing he has - he said to The Hill in 2002 that he doesn't touch alcohol in a place with women if his wife isn't present.


You know, cos all women are brazen floozies who prey on righteous men weakened by the demon drink.  We can all at least agree on that.

I mean look at Pence, it must take great will power from the women around him to not just throw their clothes off and have their way with him. #studmuffin

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« Reply #24402 on: March 29, 2017, 04:32:36 pm »
Oh great. Dead-Eyed Mike Pence is even more creepy and weird than you imagined.

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Sincere question. How is this different from extreme repressive interpretations of Islam ("Sharia Law!") mocked by people like Mike Pence?

Unfortunately he is just one of a bunch of these right-wing, christian fundamentalists that have access to real power in this Trump cabinet.  Take a look at this article about Betsy De Vos and her family. Their avowed intention is to run all education establishments as  religious-based institutions.  So much for the separation of church and state!

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/trump-education-secretary-betsy-devos-a-win-for-the-christian-right-w470605

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« Reply #24403 on: March 29, 2017, 04:35:13 pm »
Remember When Trump Said He Saved 1,100 Jobs at a Carrier Plant?
Well, globalization doesn’t give a damn.


by Bryan Gruley  and Rick Clough
March 29, 2017, 5:00 AM EDT

One week before the November election, Gregory Hayes, chairman and chief executive officer of United Technologies Corp., addressed a breakfast audience at the Council on Foreign Relations in New York City. Decrying what he called “political rhetoric” being spouted by a certain presidential candidate, Hayes made an impassioned case for global trade.

“There’s a lot of misinformation out there, and in some cases a detachment from reality,” he said in his radio-ready baritone. Blaming trade for the loss of U.S. manufacturing jobs is “absolutely wrong,” Hayes said, adding, “an isolationist approach will not—I repeat, not—create growth or jobs, nor will it make any country great.”

Hayes went on to defend UTC’s February 2016 decision to close its Carrier Corp. furnace factory in Indianapolis and ship production to Mexico—a move that had drawn the very public ire of presidential candidate Donald Trump. “This is not a decision that we took lightly,” Hayes said. He chuckled at a suggestion that Carrier had become a punching bag for Trump. “The benefits of free trade are obvious to almost everyone,” he said. “Once we get past the silly political season, hopefully we can get some adult supervision and readdress it.”

A month later, Hayes was sharing a dais with none other than President-elect Trump at that Indianapolis factory. Workers cheered as the two announced that Hayes had agreed to keep the plant open. “You are fantastic, Greg,” Trump said. So was the irony.

The humdrum residential furnace would seem an unlikely avatar for the complexities of globalization. Who even gives it a thought until it breaks down? But the furnace has become as worldly a product as an automobile or a semiconductor chip, with assembly, parts production, and jobs shifting to China, South Korea, Thailand, and other nations. That makes the Carrier saga two stories. One is about the Indianapolis factory, which was a doomed pawn in the globalization game long before Trump. The other involves the same plant but is about how it could thrive now, albeit with fewer workers. Not many people outside Indiana are still talking about Carrier, but the future of U.S. manufacturing is showing itself there right now.

Trump at Carrier on Dec. 1. His deal saved 730 jobs, for now.

Here’s the essential thing to understand about this business: Furnaces are all pretty much the same, a heater and a blower inside a box. Or as Kyle Peters, an analyst with market-research firm Freedonia Group Inc., says, “There are not any key industry secrets that make one manufacturer better than another.” Competitive edge has less to do with products than with the local retailers and contractors that sell and service them. Web-savvy consumers determine what they want and gravitate toward dealers that prove themselves reliable and able to offer good prices.

Relatively simple technology plus huge incentives to hold down costs frequently equals outsourcing. Carrier, like all its competitors in the $60 billion heating, ventilation, and air-conditioning, or HVAC, industry, has reason to move production to wherever it can be done most cheaply. Whether the company is obliged to do so is another matter.

Even in the furnace business, there’s innovation. In 1975, President Gerald Ford signed a law authorizing the Department of Energy to set efficiency standards for household appliances. Back then, most furnaces converted about 70 percent of the energy they used into actual heat, wasting 30 percent. Today’s best devices squander barely 2 percent. Instead of clattering on and off, state-of-the-art models run continuously to maintain constant temperatures. Combined with air-conditioning units, they can be integrated into programmable holistic HVAC systems, along with Wi-Fi thermostats, humidifiers, solar panels, and air cleaners. Tom Roberts, president of CFM Distributors Inc., a wholesaler of HVAC equipment in Kansas City, Mo., says he sells more 90 percent-efficient furnaces retailing for as much as $5,000 than 80 percenters at $2,000 to $3,000.

Trump’s handling of Carrier was “a little unfair,” Hayes said, but as for the initial decision to close the plant, “we did the right thing for the business.” He has no regrets

Roberts, who’s also president of an HVAC industry group known as Hardi, says improvements have been driven less by mandates than by the urge to innovate. “We don’t need artificial incentives,” he says. His industry, like so many others, bristles at regulation generally. But rules also can generate demand, especially when coupled with federal tax credits or cash rebates. Freedonia Group said in March 2015 that it expected regulations to continue driving sales “toward high-efficiency models, which generally command a pricing premium.”

UTC acquired Carrier in a hostile takeover in 1979. Today, Carrier, which itself acquired the Bryant and Payne brands in 1955, is part of UTC’s Climate, Controls & Security division, which last year posted $16.9 billion in sales and $3 billion in operating profit. UTC doesn’t break out Carrier’s financial performance, but Wayne Dale, a United Steelworkers subdistrict director in Indiana, says the company has repeatedly told the union that the Indianapolis plant is “highly profitable.” Hayes, 56, said in a brief phone interview in mid-March that the Indy factory was making money, “but it was one of our least profitable in terms of the actual cost of production vs. what we were seeing at other facilities,” particularly in Mexico. Trump’s hammering of Carrier was “a little unfair,” Hayes said, but as for the initial decision to close the plant, “we did the right thing for the business.” He has no regrets.

Hayes, formerly UTC’s chief financial officer, became CEO in late 2014, following the abrupt resignation of Louis Chenevert, a big-vision sort of leader whose signature initiative was a $10 billion effort to develop a jet engine called a geared turbofan. He also pushed through UTC’s $16.5 billion acquisition of aerospace giant Goodrich Corp. The jet engine has helped UTC’s Pratt & Whitney division reestablish itself in the narrowbody jetliner market that General Electric Co. dominates.

But Chenevert’s dream for the company was a tad too grand. He failed to foresee slowing growth in China and resisted suggestions that he sell the 90-year-old, low-margin Sikorsky Aircraft helicopter unit. In 2014, UTC predicted annual sales approaching $100 billion by 2020; actual sales haven’t come close. As the company’s performance waned, the board of directors worried Chenevert might be too focused on the 110-foot yacht he was having built for himself in Taiwan, according to news reports at the time. UTC bid him farewell with an exit package valued at a little less than $200 million.

“We’ve underperformed—full stop,” Hayes told investors in his first call as the new boss. “Whatever we need to do to increase shareholder value, we will do those things, no matter how difficult.” As CFO he’d become the Wall Street face of UTC, winning over shareholders and analysts with his plain-spoken style. And he’d been in the middle of the challenges Chenevert left behind. The Otis Elevator Co. unit was slumping because of a slowdown in building in China, buyer of more than half the world’s elevators. Sikorsky profits were falling. The jet engine project was piling up costs. UTC’s stock price had recently dipped below $100 for the first time in a year. The only thing doing consistently well was Carrier’s division. It “became kind of the anchor to keep the [overall] numbers running the right way,” says analyst Nicholas Heymann of William Blair & Co.

By mid-2015, Hayes had eliminated an entire layer of management and sold Sikorsky. The stock, which had risen after his hiring, got as low as $87. Investors were impatient with the jet engine, which had been in the works for decades and still wasn’t being used on commercial flights. Hayes stood by the engine project while trying other ways to placate investors. In October 2015, UTC said it would buy back as much as $16 billion of its shares over two years.

Two months later, Hayes announced a $1.5 billion cost-cutting plan, one of many the company has been through. Of UTC’s 42 million square feet of factory space, 22 million were in “high-cost locations,” he said, calling it a “very target-rich environment.” He didn’t mention Indianapolis, but around that time, UTC’s board decided the Carrier plant was expendable.

The HVAC industry has been moving out of the U.S. for more than a decade. One by one, most of Carrier’s key rivals—including Lennox International, Ingersoll Rand, Rheem Manufacturing, and Nortek—have either closed U.S. assembly plants and moved production to Mexico or simply built new plants there. Some still have robust U.S. assembly operations, such as Lennox’s in Marshalltown, Iowa. And Daikin International Ltd. of Japan just completed a $400 million air-conditioner factory near Houston that will employ 4,000 people. A spokesman says the plant follows Daikin’s philosophy of making products “in the country where they are installed.”

HVAC imports have grown 63 percent since 2006, with those from China and Mexico almost doubling, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce. Carrier itself has been manufacturing in Mexico since 1969 and today employs more than 5,000 workers making commercial rooftop air conditioners and other products—though not furnaces—in Monterrey.

Parts, too, increasingly come from abroad. In his wholesale store in Kansas City, CFM’s Roberts only half-jokes, “I’m sure there’s something made in the U.S. here, but I can’t tell you what it is.” At random, he snatches an Emerson Electric Co. transformer off a shelf. “Made in China,” he says. Then a different U.S. company’s capacitor: “Made in Taiwan.” A thermostat: “Designed in Canada, assembled in Mexico.”

He finally finds a capacitor made in the U.S., but it wholesales for $9.81, almost twice the price of a Mexican-made one. In a December investor presentation, Lennox CEO Todd Bluedorn said about 45 percent of his company’s parts come from outside the U.S. and Canada. He guessed that Carrier’s percentage might be higher. A UTC spokesman declined to comment.

HVAC makers have left the U.S. for the same reason countless other businesses have: cheaper labor. Carrier’s unionized workers in Indy are paid, on average, about $23 an hour (though more recent hires earn $17). Their Mexican counterparts earn an hourly rate of $3. Absenteeism and turnover in Indiana are considerably higher than at the company’s Monterrey operations, Hayes says. He told the Council on Foreign Relations breakfast that his Mexican rooftop AC plant has “probably one of the best-performing workforces that we have around the globe.”

Which isn’t to say that Carrier’s Indy workers, represented by United Steelworkers Local 1999, aren’t productive. They produce 10,000 furnace or fan-coil units a day, or one every seven seconds. According to a 1993 Hartford Courant story, the Indianapolis plant back then produced 500,000 furnaces a year with 1,500 workers. Today it can make four times as many furnaces and fan coils with a slightly smaller workforce—and you don’t have to explain the significance of that to the members of Local 1999. Studies show that 50 percent to 90 percent of job losses at American factories are attributable to productivity gains linked to automation. Except for a blip during the 2008 recession, industrial production in the U.S. has been on a fairly steady rise for decades. Even if Trump struck three Carrier deals a day for the rest of his term, he wouldn’t recoup even half the 7 million American manufacturing jobs lost since that employment peaked in 1979.

Some of the equipment in Carrier’s Indianapolis plant is outdated, which can magnify the relative cost of labor, says Michael Hicks, an economics professor at Ball State University in Muncie, Ind. Although labor might represent only 6 percent of the cost of a jet engine, it can exceed 20 percent of the cost of a furnace. And UTC will follow the numbers. In late 2012 the company opened a factory in South Carolina to manufacture elevators previously made in Mexico. UTC determined it made sense to pay higher wages there, because labor accounted for less than 3 percent of product costs and the plant was close to Otis’s big East Coast customer base, meaning shipping would be relatively inexpensive.

Workers chew over their fate at the Local 1999 hall, a brick-and-cinder-block throwback next to a railroad track, 6 miles from the factory. There’s an ignored No Smoking sign, a framed photo of Bernie Sanders, and a glass case filled with bowling and basketball trophies dating to the 1970s.

On a frosty Wednesday morning in February 2016, Chuck Jones, president of Local 1999, was into one of his first Marlboro Reds of the day when his flip phone rang. Jones, a ruddy 65-year-old, listened as another union official told him Carrier was about to announce that the plant was closing. “I said, ‘You gotta be shitting me,’ ” Jones recalls. “It blindsided us completely.”

Moments later, Chris Nelson, Carrier’s president of North America HVAC Systems & Service, told workers gathered at the plant that over the next three years their 1,400 jobs would move to Mexico. “Yeah, f--- you,” one yelled. After telling the jeering throng “let’s quiet down,” Nelson said: “Relocating our operations to Monterrey will allow us to maintain high levels of product quality at competitive prices.” In a news release, Nelson also cited cost and pricing pressures linked to regulations.

Some workers left in disgust before Nelson finished. The same day, UTC said it would close a plant in Huntington, Ind., that supplies Carrier with circuit boards. That production is moving to Mexico, costing 700 jobs. Media coverage of the twin announcements was limited outside Indiana.


The next day, a three-and-a-half-minute cell phone video of the raucous Indianapolis scene popped up on YouTube. Breitbart News published the video along with a Trump interview in which he lashed out at Ford Motor Co. for plans to expand in Mexico and at Carrier for its Indiana decision. Trump followed up on Twitter: “I am the only one who can fix this. Very sad. Will not happen under my watch!”

While Trump fumed, UTC was preoccupied. Honeywell International Inc. was making private overtures for a merger with UTC, whose stock was at its lowest level in three years. After Honeywell’s interest went public, Hayes appeared on CNBC. When the host suggested Trump might look favorably on the deal, Hayes, a registered Republican, said, “He might get the nomination, but that’s it, right?”

Honeywell went away. Trump didn’t. For months he blasted Carrier in tweets and at rallies. He railed at other companies, too, but Carrier got special attention. Trump, whose buildings use a few furnaces, vowed never to buy another Carrier product: “Now I buy Trane.” He promised to slap a 35 percent tariff on Carrier imports from Mexico. He predicted that after he won the election, Carrier would call him and say, “Mr. President, Carrier has decided to stay in Indiana.”

The union offered concessions amounting to a third of the $65 million a year Carrier expected to save by moving. Indiana then-Governor Mike Pence and Democratic Senator Joe Donnelly met separately with Carrier and UTC executives. Pence told RTV6 of Indianapolis that the “rising tide of red tape” in Washington made it impossible for Carrier to keep the plant running.

Donnelly says he asked Carrier executive Nelson and Robert McDonough, who runs UTC’s Climate, Controls & Security division, to cite one regulation that figured in the decision. “They couldn’t,” he says. The executives did confirm that furnaces sent to the U.S. from Mexico would have to comply with the same rules. The company later told the union that regulatory costs didn’t figure into expected savings from the move.

“This is about Carrier chasing wages at $3 an hour,” Donnelly says. “They put together a $16 billion stock buyback and just went wherever they could to try to pick up a few extra pennies.”

NBC Nightly News aired a segment on Carrier two weeks after the election. It quoted TJ Bray, a Carrier veteran who’d voted for Trump. As he sat in Sully’s Bar & Grill, kitty-corner from the plant, Bray dared Trump to “do what you said you were going to do. We’re going to hold you accountable.” The president-elect happened to see the report. Trump would later tell Carrier workers that he didn’t think he’d actually promised to save their jobs. But shortly after seeing Bray on TV, he arranged for a call to Hayes.

“This is about Carrier chasing wages at $3 an hour. They put together a $16 billion stock buyback and just went wherever they could to try to pick up a few extra pennies”

Until then, except for what he’d said at the Council on Foreign Relations, Hayes had all but ignored Trump’s bluster, at least publicly. Plans for closing the Carrier plant were moving ahead. Hayes was in Washington when he heard that Trump was looking for him. He flew back to UTC’s headquarters in Farmington, Conn., and took the call in his office. It lasted less than 15 minutes.

Trump asked the CEO to reconsider the Carrier decision. Hayes responded that the plant in Mexico was almost complete and that Carrier was already years behind competitors in shifting furnace making there. As Hayes recalled, “He said, ‘Look, it doesn’t matter. I ran the kind of campaign that I was going to keep those jobs from moving to Mexico, and I want to do just that.’ ” Trump didn’t mention UTC’s billions of dollars in defense contracts, but he didn’t have to. “I was born at night, but not last night,” Hayes told CNBC late last year. And that was weeks before Trump proposed to boost military spending by $54 billion.


A big Carrier banner adorned a stage inside the Indianapolis factory on Dec. 1. Members of a union that had endorsed Hillary Clinton applauded as Trump, Pence, and Hayes told them about the deal to keep the plant alive. Trump singled out Bray—“great guy, handsome guy”—and boasted of saving more than 1,100 jobs.

The number wasn’t quite what it seemed. Included in the total were 300 white-collar jobs that were never scheduled to move. And at the same time, Carrier was sending workers a letter saying fan-coil production would leave for Mexico. The total number of positions saved was closer to 730. Union President Jones told the Washington Post that Trump “lied his ass off,” prompting Trump to tweet that Jones was doing “a terrible job.”

Carrier struck a deal with the Indiana Economic Development Corp., a public-private agency chaired at the time by Pence. UTC had declined a similar arrangement in 2014 because, in part, it would have required the plant to add workers. According to the current plan, Carrier will receive up to $7 million in state tax credits and training grants over 10 years—about $1,000 per worker per year, a pittance for UTC, which offers to underwrite four years of college education for any employee.

UTC also pledged to spend $16 million on plant upgrades, including automation. That should make the plant more productive, which in turn could lessen the need to seek dirt-cheap wages. But technology tends to shrink payrolls, and that’s likely to happen at Carrier. “We will take a lot of those jobs that today require very low skill and … eliminate those jobs through automation,” Hayes says. UTC is, in his words, increasingly focused on “middle-skill” jobs, “the guys that assemble jet engines, repair jet engines, build aerospace components.” Carrier’s most advanced furnaces contain a tiny fraction of the 8,000 parts in Pratt & Whitney’s geared turbofan jet engines. The engine’s aluminum-titanium fan blades alone take weeks to manufacture. “You can afford to pay people more because of the value-added work,” says Hayes. “When you’re spending 27 seconds putting three screws into a gas furnace, not a lot of added value in that.”

He offers little comfort to the sorts of workers whose jobs he reluctantly preserved. “If you have a low-skilled job, they’re not safe no matter where you are,” he says. “The forces of globalization are not going to slow down.”

That’s painfully clear in Indiana. Not far from Carrier, Rexnord LLC is closing a bearings plant and shipping production to Mexico. Trump tweeted about it in December: “This is happening all over our country. No more!” Rexnord’s 350 workers are expected to be gone by summer. Elsewhere in the state, auto parts supplier CTS Corp. in Elkhart is sending production to Asia and Mexico, cutting 230 jobs. Welbilt Inc. closed its Sellersburg beverage systems factory in January and sent production to Mexico, eliminating more than 70 jobs. Harman Professional Solutions shifted some operations in Elkhart to Mexico, killing 125 jobs.

Layoffs at UTC’s Huntington plant began recently. The facility will be closed by early 2018. The Carrier fan-coil lines and related jobs will be gone by the end of this year. “I wish I could sit here and say the people are going to be all right,” Chuck Jones says. “That ain’t the f---ing case. A lot of these people’s lives are going to be ruined.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-03-29/remember-when-trump-said-he-saved-1-100-jobs-at-a-carrier-plant
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« Reply #24404 on: March 29, 2017, 04:43:43 pm »
If we were a year or 18 months in I'd readily agreed with you. But after just 70 days I have to admit I'm sceptical about this being an option.

Agree to disagree, he's lowered expectations so significantly that if he were to calm down a bit people would see it as a step forward and tolerate him for a lot longer. I also just don't see any way for him to be removed, he just has too much authority right now and the longer he retains the presidency the more organisations he'll position his own people in.

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« Reply #24405 on: March 29, 2017, 05:46:31 pm »
Sorry to join the party late, but i noticed someone asked about Cory booker( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEAB9aXXcwU ) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8vI3leoaAc ) This is 4 years ago ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ak0meCJozM ) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO6iCLlXHLw ) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmcweTkohc ).

Hey maybe the party needs another Clinton and then USA will get another Trump or 4 more years of him either way the left at some point needs to stand for some values. Cory has been taking lots of money from big companies for year now and don't look like he's going to stop any time soon.

Jon Steward "If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they're hobbies"

I think this should hit home and maybe some of the left voters could learn a thing of too as well, stop giving the shit left politicians a past because they are not as bad as the right.

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« Reply #24406 on: March 29, 2017, 05:49:26 pm »
Oh great. Dead-Eyed Mike Pence is even more creepy and weird than you imagined.

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VP Mike Pence's 'conservative Christian' faith is the explanation given for why he won't be in a room alone with a female who's not his wife.
As @espiers noted in a thread today, this means he'd be unable to work with a female colleague as a peer in a professional setting.
Sincere question. How is this different from extreme repressive interpretations of Islam ("Sharia Law!") mocked by people like Mike Pence?

 

2 sides of the same coin.

Following the Dutch election was interesting this year in that with proportional representation Radical Christianists like Pence get a couple of seats and that`s it. They don`t get to hijack parties that can form the government.

Nobody should wish for Trump to be impeached. Hopefully just neutralised, as Pence would be scarier and more effective at getting his way.
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« Reply #24407 on: March 29, 2017, 06:35:19 pm »
Sorry to join the party late, but i noticed someone asked about Cory booker( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEAB9aXXcwU ) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8vI3leoaAc ) This is 4 years ago ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ak0meCJozM ) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO6iCLlXHLw ) ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmcweTkohc ).

Hey maybe the party needs another Clinton and then USA will get another Trump or 4 more years of him either way the left at some point needs to stand for some values. Cory has been taking lots of money from big companies for year now and don't look like he's going to stop any time soon.

Jon Steward "If you don't stick to your values when they're being tested, they're not values: they're hobbies"

I think this should hit home and maybe some of the left voters could learn a thing of too as well, stop giving the shit left politicians a past because they are not as bad as the right.
Thanks for the input.

Newark has a huge population and no jobs.  Luring financials across the river is a win/win.

Big Pharma is a big employer in NJ. 

In both cases, he and Menendez voted their constituencies.

The Trump supporter seemed the most objective to me.

If he IS gay and Ed Koch and Barney Frank are any examples, noone works harder than a gay politician.

My jury's still out.
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« Reply #24408 on: March 29, 2017, 07:34:07 pm »


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W Bush post Katrina - 40%
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Ford pardons Nixon - 50%

Trump today 35%

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« Reply #24409 on: March 29, 2017, 08:39:49 pm »
Those who were talking about impact on tourism, prices for flights look like they're being slashed

https://www.holidaypirates.com/flights/price-drop-alert-early-bird-flights-to-usa-incl-bags-from-gbp-207-return_22459

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« Reply #24410 on: March 29, 2017, 08:45:38 pm »
This is a perfect example of another reason why anyone should think twice about visiting the US

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This is a perfect example of another reason why anyone should think twice about visiting the US

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« Reply #24412 on: March 29, 2017, 09:25:38 pm »
Oh great. Dead-Eyed Mike Pence is even more creepy and weird than you imagined.

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VP Mike Pence's 'conservative Christian' faith is the explanation given for why he won't be in a room alone with a female who's not his wife.
As @espiers noted in a thread today, this means he'd be unable to work with a female colleague as a peer in a professional setting.
Sincere question. How is this different from extreme repressive interpretations of Islam ("Sharia Law!") mocked by people like Mike Pence?

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« Reply #24413 on: March 29, 2017, 09:29:01 pm »
Oh great. Dead-Eyed Mike Pence is even more creepy and weird than you imagined.

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Sincere question. How is this different from extreme repressive interpretations of Islam ("Sharia Law!") mocked by people like Mike Pence?

it could be that he cannot control his vast urges?

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« Reply #24414 on: March 29, 2017, 09:29:56 pm »
it could be that he cannot control his vast urges?

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« Reply #24415 on: March 29, 2017, 10:19:53 pm »
CNN saying the house investigation into Russia is stalling and there willl be no public hearings for weeks.
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« Reply #24416 on: March 29, 2017, 10:21:13 pm »
CNN saying the house investigation into Russia is stalling and there willl be no public hearings for weeks.
Gee I wonder why Nunes going on then....

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« Reply #24417 on: March 29, 2017, 10:28:33 pm »
Napolitano returns to Fox, still stands by his British surveillance claim (The Hill)

Nunes could be facing an ethics probe (The Daily Beast)

Republican Senator Charlie Dent has suggested the Senate should take over the Russian intelligence investigation, as Senate committee vows thorough investigation (New York Times)
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« Reply #24418 on: March 29, 2017, 11:20:03 pm »
I feel somewhat sorry for Nunes, in a similar way to how I feel sorry for Spicer.

He's being asked to defend a completely indefensible position, which will ultimately lead to the end of his career, if not jail time.

It's painfully obvious that everything he says is coming directly from the administration he's supposed to be investigating. He voices these views without any hint of conviction. His facial expression is that of a man being hunted, rather than the one that's doing the investigating.

It's quite bizarre and sad.

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« Reply #24419 on: March 29, 2017, 11:35:40 pm »
Last time I checked nobody was holding their families hostage. No one is forcing them to do the Orange One's dirty work. They could just get a normal job that doesn't include lying their arses off every single day or behaving like a giant twat...

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« Reply #24420 on: March 30, 2017, 12:00:37 am »
I feel somewhat sorry for Nunes, in a similar way to how I feel sorry for Spicer.

He's being asked to defend a completely indefensible position, which will ultimately lead to the end of his career, if not jail time.

It's painfully obvious that everything he says is coming directly from the administration he's supposed to be investigating. He voices these views without any hint of conviction. His facial expression is that of a man being hunted, rather than the one that's doing the investigating.

It's quite bizarre and sad.

I find that quite odd. I have little sympathy for the pair of them, and their nepotistic positions. If they were so unconvinced, they could resign their positions very easily, particularly Spicer. Nunes could recuse himself/step down if he was unconvinced, but wanted to retain his position/elected office.

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« Reply #24421 on: March 30, 2017, 12:06:12 am »
Napolitano returns to Fox, still stands by his British surveillance claim (The Hill)

Nunes could be facing an ethics probe (The Daily Beast)

Republican Senator Charlie Dent has suggested the Senate should take over the Russian intelligence investigation, as Senate committee vows thorough investigation (New York Times)

The chair (Burr) and ranking member (Warner) of the Senate committee were making much of how bipartisan they were today. Their first public hearing is tomorrow, and I think the ranking member hinted strongly that they've already been interviewing people on Trump's team. Burr said that he's going to subpoena if he needs to get someone in front of them. The FBI investigation should role on regardless, a special prosecutor will be the Assistant AG's call if one should be needed, but the public aspect may well fall on the Senate if the GOP doesn't decide to just punt it away.
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« Reply #24422 on: March 30, 2017, 12:06:29 am »
Last time I checked nobody was holding their families hostage. No one is forcing them to do the Orange One's dirty work. They could just get a normal job that doesn't include lying their arses off every single day or behaving like a giant twat...

Indeed. Grow a spine and leave or you're complicit every time you lie for him. There was an interesting point on Morning Joe about Spicey coming out and arguing about crowd sizes in his first press conference as press secretary- essentially Scarborough called up someone close to the top at the WH and told them that if they talk about crowd sizes in their very first press briefing then the press is going to go after them for it for weeks. And of course Melissa McSpiceyface comes out and has his weirdo rant and then Scarborough calls them up again and goes wth is wrong with you thick c*nts and the person at the WH goes 'that was the watered down version'. Apparently Agent Orange completely lost his shit at Spicey for being weak and not hammering the point home harder.

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« Reply #24423 on: March 30, 2017, 12:13:01 am »
Comey's side of the story from the election slowly starting to come out. Newsweek story via Raw Story:

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FBI Director James Comey attempted to go public as early as the summer of 2016 with information on Russia’s campaign to influence the U.S. presidential election, but Obama administration officials blocked him from doing so, two sources with knowledge of the matter tell Newsweek.

Well before the Department of Homeland Security and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence accused the Russian government with tampering with U.S. elections in an October 7 statement, Comey pitched the idea of writing an op-ed about the Russian campaign during a meeting in the White House’s situation room in June or July. “He had a draft of it or an outline, he held up a piece of paper in a meeting and said, ‘I want to go forward, what do people think of this?’” says a source with knowledge of the meeting , which included Secretary of State John Kerry, Attorney General Loretta Lynch, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security director and the national security adviser.

Related: FBI director confirms probe into possible Trump-Russia ties

The other national security leaders didn’t like the idea, and White House officials thought the announcement should be a coordinated message backed by multiple agencies, the source says. “An op-ed doesn’t have the same stature, it comes from one person.”

The op-ed would not have mentioned whether the FBI was investigating Donald Trump campaign workers or others close to him for links to the Russian interference in the election, a second source with knowledge of the request tells Newsweek. Comey would likely have tried to publish the op-ed in The New York Times and it would have included much of the same information as the bombshell declassified intelligence report that was released January 6 and said Russian president Vladimir Putin tried to influence the 2016 presidential election, the source said.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/comey-tried-to-reveal-russian-plot-before-election-obama-administration-officials-blocked/

There was a later multiagency statement about Russia trying to influence the US election. I suppose the question of why Clinton's investigation needed to be "re-opened" may still be part of the investigation into collusion or its own investigation if it did come from pressure within the FBI's New York field office as Comey's letter to staff (hoho) seemed to imply.
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« Reply #24424 on: March 30, 2017, 12:28:39 am »
I see Trump has come in for stick for saying the USA army are fighting harder now than they ever have in Iraq after they have been to war two times there before, and right now they are killing 100s of woman and children.

I guess hes trying to set up he freed Mosul when it is finally freed..
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« Reply #24425 on: March 30, 2017, 12:34:12 am »
Trump won’t save coal jobs — he will put America on the path to environmental ruin

President Trump just signed a sweeping executive order designed to cripple U.S. efforts to fight climate change and prevent the worst ravages of global warming. Trump’s actions are, he says, designed to meet his campaign goal of bringing back jobs to the coal industry.

But, like most of Trump’s policies, these orders are based on alternative facts and ignore basic economic realities. Coal jobs aren’t coming back — and our environment will pay a terrible price for government decisions based on myths and right-wing talking points.

Environmental regulation is always the fall guy for the Republican Party. But the clean power rules just targeted by Trump are a particularly ludicrous scapegoat for coal’s declining fortunes because they haven’t even gone into effect yet.

 The two main causes of lost jobs in the coal industry — like virtually all industries — are actually automation and efficiency. The largest coal-mining machine in the world can extract 4,500 tons of coal per hour and requires only 27 people to operate.

Consolidation, industry mergers and natural market forces have also dramatically reduced employment in the coal industry — common occurrences that Wall Street routinely cheers. 

The boom in natural gas — something President Trump has promised to accelerate — will only make coal less economical in the years to come. And, of course, coal must also reckon with the rapid increase in wind, solar and other renewable energy sources, which are rapidly overtaking fossil fuels in the total number of people employed across the United States.

Trump’s orders won’t reverse these forces steadily eroding coal employment. But they could help this dirty industry avoid taking responsibility for the incredible harm it does to people and the planet.

Coal-powered electrical generation isn’t new. In fact, it’s an industry from the turn of the last century, and that fact alone should make people consider the longevity of this approach to energy generation.

Here’s the reality: Boiling water by burning coal to turn a turbine for electricity is expensive. The only reason coal has stuck around so long is that many of its costs have been borne by people and the environment. 

Burning coal emits heavy metal pollution, including mercury — one of the most potent neurotoxins on Earth. Burning coal also acidifies the rain, poisoning our lakes and rivers. Smog and particulate matter damage people’s lungs and result in lost work and school time due to respiratory illnesses.

That’s why research found that the clean power policies Trump just reversed would have yielded billions of dollars worth of benefits in the form of reduced heart disease, asthma and other life-threatening health problems.

Carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases emitted when coal is burned also make our planet warmer. Scientists estimate that as many as 50 percent of all the species on Earth will be threatened with extinction by the end of this century if climate change is not addressed.

Trump, of course, is determined not to address it. Through his executive orders over the past three months, he has conclusively demonstrated that he is the most anti-environmental president in history.

Facts, science, reason — none of these things seem to influence his decisions when it comes to the environment. If they did, Trump would understand that his actions today will help put his beloved Mar-a-Lago resort underwater in his children’s lifetime.

If Trump listened to scientists and the facts, rather than industry special interests, he would understand that these latest executive orders will shorten the lives of many Americans and lower our standard of living.

And they won’t bring back coal.   

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« Reply #24426 on: March 30, 2017, 12:40:14 am »
They have just said on CNN that Ivanka Trump now has higher security clearance than Hillary Clinton ever had.

Surely that cant be true.
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« Reply #24427 on: March 30, 2017, 01:01:53 am »
Many American energy companies are closing their coal plants. I know the major company in my state is shutting down their last two this year. New York wants the state coal free by 2020. Companies in Michigan are phasing their out over the next few years. The last coal plant in Massachusetts shuts down in a few months. California shut down their last major plant in 2015. I'm sure there are more.

A good portion of coal industry is a conservative wet dream. White, nostalgic, rural, tough, and anti-intellectual. I genuinely feel for those retired union miners on pensions and struggling with deteriorating health from their years in the mines. Of course, the GOP don't seem to be talking about them too much.
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« Reply #24428 on: March 30, 2017, 01:48:57 am »
The thing is, let's say coal makes the biggest comeback in the history of forever. Coal, coal, coal, can't get enough of that coal. Do they really think that will bring all the jobs back? Or do we think companies will just buy the big machines that produce more and only need 27 people to operate? I can't get my head around how flat out stupid these people are.
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« Reply #24429 on: March 30, 2017, 01:51:43 am »
Many American energy companies are closing their coal plants. I know the major company in my state is shutting down their last two this year. New York wants the state coal free by 2020. Companies in Michigan are phasing their out over the next few years. The last coal plant in Massachusetts shuts down in a few months. California shut down their last major plant in 2015. I'm sure there are more.

The good portion of coal industry is a conservative wet dream. White, nostalgic, rural, tough, and anti-intellectual. I genuinely feel for those retired union miners on pensions and struggling with deteriorating health from their years in the mines. Of course, the GOP don't seem to be talking about them too much.

This.

You only need to look at places like Minnesota and Ohio, who are starting to realize the jig is up on coal, although Ohio is still dragging its heels. Minnesota recently passed a law to bypass the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission (PUC) in order to quickly get a gas-fired plant up and running. The PUC was willing to authorize the plant, they just wanted to take the time to explore alternatives. Why then did the government go for a one-off bypass? One word: jobs. The gas-fired plant was to be located in the same town as the coal-fired one. So in order to protect the community jobs, they went around the regulator.

On the other hand you have Montana. A state were nearly 5% of its tax revenues are coal-related. A bunch of utilities in Oregon and Washington state co-own a piece of the generation units at a giant Montana coal-fired facility (Colstrip), which they are all working to rid themselves of, even though Montana lawmakers are trying to thwart their attempts. This excellent article from January 2016 in the Billings Gazette actually gives a really insightful look at the problems some communities are facing.

As one of the town residents notes: "The world has caught up to us. We were isolated from it and we're not now." Colstrip is the 15th largest producer of greenhouse gases in the entire United States. In the case of Colstrip, higher production costs, cheaper natural gas and weakening demand for coal-fired electricity is dooming the community. The town is reliant on coal (at the plant or a nearby mine) to not only provide 80% of its jobs, but to pump water which comes from the Yellowstone River 30 miles away.  The plant pumps the water and charges residents, with the reason being pretty obvious.

And yet salaries at the plant have not kept up with the industry average. Unlike facilities in other states like in Minnesota or Washington, there are no plans to convert the facility into a biomass or gas-fired plant. The town is likely to lose much of its tax revenue when the plant closes and due to its isolated location, it already has problems attracting younger workers and deflated property values. Trump's orders are not going to save places like Colstrip. In fact, its ironic that in the Billings Gazette article, some of the environmental groups seem more interested in worker and community transition programs than the respective states.

Arizona will be another to look at. The Navajo Generating Station is located on a Navajo Reservation in northern Arizona. The utilities in Nevada and Arizona who largely own it alongside the Bureau of Reclamation voted last month to close it by 2019. The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power already sold its stake. Although some of the generators could be retired to comply with environmental regulations, the real reason the plant is going to be shuttered is due to cheaper natural gas. Yet like Colstrip there is a catch. Some of the power generated is used to run pumps to deliver water to Phoenix and parts of central Arizona. The only people desperate to keep the place open, even though it is more expensive to operate than natural gas-fired plants, are the coal supplier (Peabody Energy) and the Department of the Interior who has a responsibility for the Navajo and Hopi tribes.
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« Reply #24430 on: March 30, 2017, 03:00:37 am »
I find that quite odd. I have little sympathy for the pair of them, and their nepotistic positions. If they were so unconvinced, they could resign their positions very easily, particularly Spicer. Nunes could recuse himself/step down if he was unconvinced, but wanted to retain his position/elected office.

Oh I agree. But I imagine there's some degree of duress involved. I'm pretty sure Trump would be threatening him with all manners of repercussions.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not shedding any tears for him. It's more pity at how pathetic he is.

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« Reply #24431 on: March 30, 2017, 04:23:30 am »
In less than 70 days Trump has made figures like Lindsey Graham and Burr.....slightly sympathetic and voices of reason.

Which is plain fucking crazy.
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« Reply #24432 on: March 30, 2017, 04:24:01 am »
BBC follow up their January story on the Trump investigation with another which throws out lots of information. eg Steele has already met with the FBI twice - including a week long debrief. That the claims of targeting voters for social media campaigns and adverts are very specific and seem to imply co-operation with the Trump campaign.

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The investigation, then, is into a range of possibilities: at one end, unwitting co-operation with Russia by members of the Trump campaign; at the other conscious "co-ordination".

Hillary Clinton's former campaign manager, Robby Mook, said that if Trump's aides knew of Russia's plans, there should be charges of treason.
Trump's enemies ask us to believe that some of his people were either traitors or dupes.

The president himself has another version of events: there was no "co-ordination"; the whole thing is a monstrous lie created by the Obama administration, fed by the intelligence community and amplified by the "dishonest" media, billowing black clouds of smoke but no fire.

When the dossier was released, he tweeted: "Are we living in Nazi Germany?"

These two stories cannot be reconciled.

With each new drip of information, option three - the chance that this is all a giant mistake, an improbable series of coincidences - seems further out of reach.

Increasingly, the American people are being asked to choose between two unpalatable versions of events: abuse of power by one president or treason that put another in the White House.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-39435786
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« Reply #24433 on: March 30, 2017, 09:29:52 am »
In regards to the coal, I've just posted an excellent video from Trevor Noah on the other thread which is well worth a watch.

Apparently China - one of the world's BIGGEST polluters - has a renewable energy industry worth something like $250 billion.  Even in the US, renewable energy employs something like 600,000 people rather than the 75K of the coal industry.

Whilst scrapping all this legislation might add a few thousand jobs, the disproportionate effect on the environment for the jobs gained could prove catastrophic. 

But then, people like Trump don't give a crap, because when climate change finally starts to really take hold, his kind will be the absolute last to suffer from it.
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« Reply #24434 on: March 30, 2017, 10:44:33 am »
But then, people like Trump don't give a crap, because when climate change finally starts to really take hold, his kind will be the absolute last to suffer from it.

Why would he give a crap? He'll be dead when shit hits the fan and until then he'll spend his time in his golf-clubs and other properties with artificial nature all around him. Same as with almost everything else he has never hidden the fact that he thinks the environment is not as a important as a couple of hundred jobs and regulations are a pain in the arse. It still amazes me how people could vote for such an idiot...

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« Reply #24435 on: March 30, 2017, 11:07:53 am »
Why would he give a crap? He'll be dead when shit hits the fan and until then he'll spend his time in his golf-clubs and other properties with artificial nature all around him. Same as with almost everything else he has never hidden the fact that he thinks the environment is not as a important as a couple of hundred jobs and regulations are a pain in the arse. It still amazes me how people could vote for such an idiot...

I refer to him and his kind, ie the super rich and their offspring who see themselves as an elite ruling class, who are happy to see the whole world suffer in squalor as they drink champagne and piss all over the world.
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« Reply #24436 on: March 30, 2017, 12:05:33 pm »
I refer to him and his kind, ie the super rich and their offspring who see themselves as an elite ruling class, who are happy to see the whole world suffer in squalor as they drink champagne and piss all over the world.

And sell people expensive air and water.
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And sell people expensive air and water.


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« Reply #24438 on: March 30, 2017, 01:47:31 pm »
Dems brace for Obamacare attacks, not outreach

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WASHINGTON — If at first he didn't succeed in Congress, President Trump may nevertheless be poised to undercut the Affordable Care Act.

After a stinging defeat on health care in Congress last week, Trump said Tuesday night that cutting a deal with Democrats will be "such an easy one." Yet House and Senate Democrats say there's been no outreach while the White House clarifies it remains committed to repealing Obamacare. Meantime Trump could use a pending lawsuit and agency directives to help short-circuit the current health care law.

On Wednesday, White House spokesman Sean Spicer said Trump was just joking and called the GOP bill, which leaders pulled on Friday for lack of votes, "the current vessel." Democrats "also need to understand the president’s red lines," said Spicer. Earlier in the day, 44 Senate Democrats drew their own red line in a letter calling on Trump to rescind a Jan. 20 executive order, or to essentially abandon his repeal effort. It directed federal agencies to use their administrative powers to begin dismantling the Affordable Care Act “to the maximum extent permitted by law.”

“Your administration must commit to putting an end to all efforts to unravel the ACA,” the letter said. “It is clear the fight isn’t over. They are signaling they’re going to sabotage this (law),” Rep. Ben Ray Lujan, D-N.M., told reporters this week.

While the White House is making noise about compromise, Democrats are concerned that the real goal is to purposely undermine the law in a bid to force its eventual repeal. Indeed on Monday, the president predicted in a tweet that Democrats will “make a deal with me on healthcare as soon as Obamacare folds – not long.” In his Wednesday briefing, Spicer predicted that, as premiums continue to rise, it is Democrats and not the White House who will take the blame.

“They’re coming after the Affordable Care Act. They want it to fail so that their policies look better by comparison,” said Rep. Linda Sanchez, vice chair of the Democratic Caucus.

Two forces in motion
There are two forces already in motion that could deliberately impair Obamacare. How Trump navigates them will say a lot about whether he intends to work with Democrats on a solution or to try to undercut the law using his executive powers.

In mid-February, the administration said it may not reject 2016 tax returns — as previously planned — that do not indicate whether the taxpayer complied with the health law’s individual mandate. The mandate is critical tool for building a stable individual market. Americans must have a minimum level of insurance, get an exemption or pay a penalty that helps finance Obamacare.

Another thing Trump could do to gut Obamacare — and quickly — involves a lawsuit by House Republicans to halt billions in payments insurers get under the law. In the lawsuit, which was suspended as GOP leaders pursued a replacement bill, Republicans call the payments illegal. Now that their effort in Congress has failed, the lawsuit could resume or Trump could just decline to contest it, effectively stanching the payments.

Even if Trump tries to undercut the law, there are powerful counterveiling forces that could actually help cement it. The biggest is the fact that a number of states are considering expanding their Medicaid programs. For instance, on Tuesday the Republican-dominated Kansas legislature voted to expand Medicaid and Virginia, Georgia, Maine and North Carolina are taking their own steps.

Also, some Republicans including Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla., who chairs the appropriations health subcommittee, have said ending the insurance payments would cause too much instability in the marketplace, raising the specter Republicans could drop their lawsuit.

Finding Compromise
While the White House is insisting it wants to work with Democrats on a compromise, spokesmen for several moderate Democratic lawmakers who have proposed fixes to Obamacare, including Sens. Mark Warner of Virginia and Michael Bennet of Colorado, told USA TODAY there’s been no outreach from the White House to negotiate despite the White House rhetoric.

“They say that they’re talking to Democrats, but they’re not,” said Rep. Joe Crowley, D-N.Y., who chairs the House Democratic Caucus. The White House did not respond to a request for names after Spicer said some Democrats have reached out about ideas to “make the bill stronger.”

Many of the actions Trump and Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price could pursue would take effect in 2018, mainly curbing outreach for enrollment, which is critical to keeping the law afloat. Another move Trump and Price could make without congressional approval would be shortening the time period for open enrollment by several weeks, depressing the number of people who buy insurance.

Even so, experts say none of these things would doom health care. “There are things that can be done administratively to increase flexibility and weaken some of the standardized and mandatory aspects of the ACA, but it is by no means a magic wand,” said Katherine Hempstead, a senior adviser at the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.

So far Republicans in Congress are making clear they intend to continue pressing a repeal of the law, even if there is no current path to obtaining the votes.

“The surrender caucus that was forming last Friday has dissipated and now we’re going to get back to work,” said Rep. Mo Brooks, R-Ala. He spoke after a Tuesday GOP conference meeting. “They are trying to find common ground,” he said.

That means, at least politically, the issue of replacing Obamacare remains a big political liability for Republicans.

On Tuesday, Democrats shared new polling showing Republicans failed to muster support in Congress, including from their own party, amid strong opposition from voters in battleground districts. According to the Greenberg Quinlan Rosner research, in those districts with Republican incumbents, 52% of voters disapproved of the Republican American Health Care Act. And according to surveys including Gallup, Trump saw his approval rating slide four to five points just in the past several days.

Gallup put Trump's approval rating Wednesday at 35%, a new low.

Even so, Spicer indicated on Wednesday that the plan is to charge ahead with repeal.

"It's a commitment that he made. He'd like to get it done," he said of Trump.

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Russian hired 1,000 people to create anti-Clinton 'fake news' in key US states during election, Trump-Russia hearings leader reveals

Senate Intelligence Committee's Mark Warner claims the Kremlin targeted pivotal swing states

The Kremlin paid an army of more than 1,000 people to create fake anti-Hillary Clinton news stories targeting key swing states, the leading Democrat on the committee looking into alleged Russian interference in the US election has said.

Senator Mark Warner, the Democrat ranking member, and chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Republican Senator Richard Burr, appeared together at a press conference to give an update on the investigation ahead of the first witnesses appearing today.

Mr Warner said: “We know about the hacking, and selective leaks, but what really concerns me as a former tech guy is at least some reports – and we’ve got to get to the bottom of this – that there were upwards of a thousand internet trolls working out of a facility in Russia, in effect taking over a series of computers which are then called botnets, that can then generate news down to specific areas.

“It’s been reported to me, and we’ve got to find this out, whether they were able to affect specific areas in Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, where you would not have been receiving off of whoever your vendor might have been, Trump versus Clinton, during the waning days of the election, but instead, ‘Clinton is sick’, or ‘Clinton is taking money from whoever for some source’ … fake news.

“An outside foreign adversary effectively sought to hi-jack the most critical democratic process, the election of a President, and in that process, decided to favour one candidate over another.”

The key states of Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania which Mr Warner named all fell narrowly - and unexpectedly - to Donald Trump.

The Senate Committee will examine whether the Trump campaign co-ordinated with the Russians to hire the army of trolls.

Mr Warner and Mr Burr were keen to stress they were unified in the investigation, in spite of reported in-fighting along political lines.

Mr Burr said he did not want to “take snapshots” of where the investigation stood but hinted the committee had spoken to Ret Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, Mr Trump’s former Director of National Intelligence who stepped down from his post after ties to foreign governments were revealed.

A parallel investigation is running in the lower House of Representatives, but this has been marred by calls for chairman Devin Nunes to step down following allegations he is co-operating with the White House.

A CBS poll revealed half of Americans now believe the Russians interfered with the election to help Mr Trump, while 10 per cent believe there was Russian interference but that it was not specifically designed to benefit the tycoon.

Speaker of the House, Republican Paul Ryan, said the US had a responsibility to the rest of the world to get to the bottom of the alleged Russian interference.

“They’re doing it to other countries right now," he said.

"We all knew this before the election, we all knew Russia was trying to meddle with our election, and we already know right now they’re trying to do it with other countries.”

Seven staffers are probing Mr Trump’s alleged links to Russia and said his son-in-law Jared Kushner had agreed to be interviewed by the Senate committee, although it is not known if he will appear under oath or on camera.

Journalist Adam Chen, now a staff writer at the New Yorker but a freelancer when he investigated alleged interference in the US election, claimed in a podcast with Longform that a large number of Russian trolls were now churning out support for Mr Trump

“I created this list of Russian trolls when I was researching. And I check on it once in a while, still. And a lot of them have turned into conservative accounts, like fake conservatives. I don't know what's going on, but they're all tweeting about Donald Trump and stuff," he said.

A total of 20 individuals have been asked to appear before the committee members for private interviews, but no names apart from Mr Kushner’s were confirmed during the press conference.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russian-trolls-hilary-clinton-fake-news-election-democrat-mark-warner-intelligence-committee-a7657641.html
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