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Simon Mignolet
« on: September 30, 2013, 02:08:20 am »
Mods, his other thread is locked; merge or delete this one as you please.

I thought of putting up something that I find important in his game. Mignolet is a great shot stopper but there is a general consensus that his distribution has been well below par. Against Sunderland, I thought, the distribution was a bit better overall and the entire team was fighting for those second balls. But the cherry on top of the cake for me was that fast start of the counter attack that created the goal, right after we were pushed back with big numbers. I loved it, and I hope he continues in this vein!
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 02:15:48 am »
I don't think his distribution is poor. A normal keeper wouldn't have half the touches on the ball he's obliged to have. We keep pressing him with backwards passes that would put any midfielder in trouble. I don't notice anything particulary bad with his long passes - they usually find a red shirt, when he just doesn't hoof the ball.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 02:15:48 am »
It's hard to criticise his distribution right now, our defense and midfield are having trouble finding free players to pass to as well. For me he's an upgrade on Pepe of the last few years and he has plenty of time to improve further.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 02:29:31 am »
His distribution was improved today. Great to see him release the ball quick for our third. Yes, he was a bit shaky and at fault for their goal (a bit unsighted, though), but just when it could have gotten worse he knuckled down and was flawless for the remainder. He looks very mentally strong and he 's only going to get better. He also might have the best reflexes in the league.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 02:50:50 am »
Have I mentioned I don't give two fucks about his distribution? (I have...a lot... And it's fine btw)

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« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 03:13:37 am »
Fooking quality.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2013, 05:12:49 am »
He's a great keeper, at a new club, with half a new defence, that is either a 4 or a 3 or a 5, with an injured right back, and another injured right back, and a young right back who is really a centre-back, and a new centre-back who is half playing right back or centre-back, depending whether it's a 4 or a 3 ... and on the left an injured left-back, who has never played anyway, and on the left a scatty bearded Spaniard, a Barney Rubble dos without the discipline, a Sergio Leone spirit, but at least the strong holding midfield pairing does not get pared too easily - hey-nonny-no - quick uplifting ditty from The Copper Family of Rottingdean, anyone, highly recommended, very beautiful, but no team should be capable of humming a whole tune in the time it takes our midfield to pick up men. (I know what I said.) And no midfield should be cleaved down the middle as often as Granny Smith, leaving it exposed like little pips in their cavity of flesh. At least we have an ace forward line, and we do, allowing our keeper to make all the mistakes he wants knowing that we will thwart the oppo regardless. Luckily, though, he decides to go round saving shots, penalties, free-kicks, everything he can, show-off, and then start launching dangerous balls forward resulting in a GOAL!!! for Liverpool, yeah!!!

He is the main reason we have the points we do this season, and when we get a settled, or more importantly an organised defence, we could be frighteningly frigid there. I love us, and I can't bear the thought, so what kind of perverted opposition might dare attempt to fluff our back line? Hideous to contemplate such deviants.

We have strong characters defensively now, Mignolet, Toure, Sakho. Skirtl in the middle has been impressive, and I'm sure Agger will be keen to get in and show his quality too.

Just wanted to say that Simon is very good.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 06:00:53 am »
His not pushing or palming the ball away from the goal after a shot (which led to the goal) - is something I noticed he did in another game, but we got away with it. Hopefully the coaches are aware and will work on it.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2013, 06:21:22 am »
His distribution was improved today. Great to see him release the ball quick for our third. Yes, he was a bit shaky and at fault for their goal (a bit unsighted, though), but just when it could have gotten worse he knuckled down and was flawless for the remainder. He looks very mentally strong and he 's only going to get better. He also might have the best reflexes in the league.

Love him. Great business.

As always, the goal was preventable elsewhere before it even got to Mignolet (free shot outside of the box, and Skrtel slips letting Giaccherini in). However, that was a good shot, low and hard with spin. It was bound to be more parried than caught. The problem was that with Skrtel slipping, nobody was there to track the run and so it was a fairly open shot once the ball was parried. He was also unsighted on a swerving ball going through a defenders legs, so to react the way he did was quite good. It was an unlucky goal because if Skrtel doesn't slip, he probably covers that run, and the ball gets put out for a corner
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 06:25:35 am »
Don't know why people are talking about his distribution all the time... He Is A Goalkeeper! he needs to know how to stop balls from getting to the back of the net! he does that, quite consistently and he is great in 1v1 situations... He seems to be vocal as well, he is not hiding and always shouting at the defense to organize etc.. he is definitely one of our better performers this season and he is one of the main reasons we are in 2nd....

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2013, 07:13:11 am »
As always, the goal was preventable elsewhere before it even got to Mignolet (free shot outside of the box, and Skrtel slips letting Giaccherini in). However, that was a good shot, low and hard with spin. It was bound to be more parried than caught. The problem was that with Skrtel slipping, nobody was there to track the run and so it was a fairly open shot once the ball was parried. He was also unsighted on a swerving ball going through a defenders legs, so to react the way he did was quite good. It was an unlucky goal because if Skrtel doesn't slip, he probably covers that run, and the ball gets put out for a corner

It was always going be parried but should of been pushed out away from the danger area. In this regard whether Skirtel slipped or not is irrelevant (though obviusly not in the overall debate as to how the goal came about). I commented previously, in a round table, on Simon's propensity to push the ball back out in front of him. It is obviously an easier technique as you are getting more of your hands behind the ball but it becomes a lottery as to whether an attacker or a defender picks up the scraps.

We have signed a wonderful keeper but this, IMO, is a weakness in his game at the moment. We shouldn't gloss over this because we can be sure the opposition won't.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2013, 07:32:36 am »
It was always going be parried but should of been pushed out away from the danger area. In this regard whether Skirtel slipped or not is irrelevant (though obviusly not in the overall debate as to how the goal came about). I commented previously, in a round table, on Simon's propensity to push the ball back out in front of him. It is obviously an easier technique as you are getting more of your hands behind the ball but it becomes a lottery as to whether an attacker or a defender picks up the scraps.

We have signed a wonderful keeper but this, IMO, is a weakness in his game at the moment. We shouldn't gloss over this because we can be sure the opposition won't.

It was a reaction save, though. He was moving away from the ball, and had to adjust at the last second. At that point, all he could do was get a hand to the ball. It's a bit too critical to say he should have pushed it away when in fact he wasn't in a position to do so given how the shot came about, and how unsighted he was in the first place. If it was a clearer shot and not through Skrtel's legs, I would agree with you. And in previous incidences too. But for this one, he did the best he could given the circumstances, I think.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2013, 07:36:02 am »
The defenders must recognise that he isn't great on the ball and take more responsibility getting the ball forwards themselves rather than passing back. If they can't do that then replace Lucas with Allen and let Allen distribute the ball from deep.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2013, 07:48:23 am »
In terms of distribution we got spoiled by one of the best distributors of the ball in Pepe Reina. It was always going to be tough finding a goalie as good as him. But we are replacing that with a guy who is one of the best shot stoppers in the league.

He set the bar so high with his debut. He has 2 main weaknesses. His ball control when its at his feet and his decision making during corners. Both of those will improve once we have a settled defence and a season worth of matches behind him.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 08:02:30 am »
I think he's doing outstandingly well, with expectations through the roof.  His shot-stopping has been exceptional and his distribution is solid/as good as could rightfully be expected.  I thought in yesterday's game he seemed to have more of a licence to go long when he wanted to, rather than seemingly be instructed to play short passes on the deck every time. 

He looked a little nervy on a couple of corners but like others have said, the entire defence has been really unsettled so far this season and once we get a run of consistency in our defensive line, I think our defence of corners will improve.

So far for me he's been outstanding and played a huge part in our position to date.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2013, 09:43:14 am »
Don't know why people are talking about his distribution all the time... He Is A Goalkeeper!

I'm not disagreeing with your post, but distribution IS an important part of the game, especially when we don't have big strong forwards a la Drogba, Heskey, Carroll, hold the ball up merchants, we're not even particularly tall. Thus when it's kicked long, we struggle to retain possession, which is obviously not what we want.

Yesterday, he had a flash of the Reinas for the third goal, which was excellent to see. He's a great shot stopper, with the potential to work on his weaknesses and become even better than the very good GK he is already.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2013, 10:55:01 am »
Don't know why people are talking about his distribution all the time... He Is A Goalkeeper! he needs to know how to stop balls from getting to the back of the net! he does that, quite consistently and he is great in 1v1 situations... He seems to be vocal as well, he is not hiding and always shouting at the defense to organize etc.. he is definitely one of our better performers this season and he is one of the main reasons we are in 2nd....

Yep but at the top level of elite golakeeping you would expect the ability to stop shots as a given (no pun intended).

Whether one keeper saves 97% of shots compared to another who saves 96% is neither here nor there.

The thing that differentiates the good from the great wil be what else they are bringing to the game - how many mistakes they make, whether they can marshall their defences, are they penalty specialists - and in our case - whether they have good distribution which impacts on the rest of the team.

I'm beginningto suspect it's Mignolet's distribution and ability to play as a sweeper keeper that has made us change our style so much in these beginning games of the season. I wonder whether Brendan is bedding him in and improving those aspects of his game before we revert back to the football we were playing at the end of last season.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2013, 11:09:01 am »
Okay.

I think Mignolet has more than earned his fee already. He is doing his job properly, which is trying to prevent the ball from hitting the back of our net. This for me, is the most important thing, this is why I dont miss Pepe Reina at all. He's big, strong, vocal, can catch the ball, he does have a David James-ness about him. But David James was this countries best keeper for ages!

Distribution wise, he is not Poor. He's average. This is an area he can improve, with a mobile central midfield, with our first choice right back, with our Vice Captain, I think he'll do okay.

I'll take it one step further, I think Mignolet is our best summer signing thus far.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2013, 11:11:42 am »
He's a great shot stopper, with the potential to work on his weaknesses and become even better than the very good GK he is already.

Excellent.

Exactly, I think he's surpassed expectations so far and looked really good for us. He had the odd 'moment' on corners yesterday but nothing nearly every keeper in the League has too. The best bit for me was that he regained his composure and went on to make a decisive punch and then have the confidence to catch that 89th minute corner that eased a few nerves.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2013, 11:16:32 am »
It was a reaction save, though. He was moving away from the ball, and had to adjust at the last second. At that point, all he could do was get a hand to the ball. It's a bit too critical to say he should have pushed it away when in fact he wasn't in a position to do so given how the shot came about, and how unsighted he was in the first place. If it was a clearer shot and not through Skrtel's legs, I would agree with you. And in previous incidences too. But for this one, he did the best he could given the circumstances, I think.

Ok, maybe I am guilty of letting previous incidents influence my judgements here. I am not sure if thats the case but it has been known :).

Either way Simon needs to work on this. We have  a wonderful addition to our team here. As well as the effect on the scoreline of his tremendous shotstopping, the residual effect these saves have on the confidence of the team, defence in particular, cannot be overstated. Soft goals in the fashion we have discussed, whether yesterdays was or not, will have the opposite effect and undermine all his good work.
 

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2013, 11:17:34 am »
He's made some cracking saves and you know what? Every single one of those saves he made I don't think Reina would have. For example, yesterday's with his legs in the first half.

You just need to watch the last 2 seasons' dvd reviews to see how far Pepe had fallen. So many shots just went right through him.
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« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2013, 11:17:48 am »
He made a couple of outstanding saves from Craig Gardner.  There were a couple of nervous moments but they were the first I can remember since the Stoke game so maybe, given that one was his debut and the other his first return to Sunderland, both can be put down to a bit of nerves.  Mignolet has been a brilliant signing for us and will only get better.

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« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2013, 11:18:58 am »
Still dodgy from crosses tho

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2013, 11:23:03 am »
He's a great Goalie, we were spoilt by Pepe's distribution he was absolutely amazing at it.  Mig needs to improve this area he gives the ball straight back to the oppostion far too often, but he is having to change his playstyle to Liverpool's and this will improve over time.  Plus he made that 3rd goal.

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« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2013, 11:23:49 am »
Still dodgy from crosses tho

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« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2013, 05:29:18 pm »
He needs to learn to do this:

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« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2013, 05:51:47 pm »
His tip round the post through a crowd of players just after they'd scored was a huge moment. Brilliant save too.
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« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2013, 05:53:06 pm »
Distribution.

I keep on comparing Migs to Schmeicel, because he reminds me of him. Schmeicel made assists himself at his time at United, created some devastating counter attacks. Reina also had a mean swing on him.

Migs really can be the difference for us this season, he is that good I feel. I think it is of no co-incidence that this season, Sunderland are rock bottom and we are flying pretty high. Migs is quality, I'm happy that we have him, long may he protect our goal.
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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2013, 05:57:08 pm »
He does remind me a lot of Schmiechel down to the bollocking of defenders after he saves a shot  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2013, 06:00:53 pm »
If his distribution is good enough to help set up a goal then it's good enough for me to be honest.

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« Reply #30 on: September 30, 2013, 06:05:40 pm »
I think sometimes we get pressed so well with no one moving into space and forwards checking back, he has no one to pass to.  Safety first comes into his mind quicker than some other keepers, but he is the last man.  His job is to keep the ball out of our net.
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« Reply #31 on: September 30, 2013, 06:07:45 pm »
If his distribution is good enough to help set up a goal then it's good enough for me to be honest.
That was something Pepe did quite often to good effect.  Hadn't seen it from him in a while.  It was good to see Mig do it effectively.
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« Reply #32 on: September 30, 2013, 06:10:17 pm »
He does remind me a lot of Schmiechel down to the bollocking of defenders after he saves a shot  ;D

I'm not even joking mate, look at Schmeichel of the early 90's, Migs comes out like him, saves like him and yes, as you say, keeps his defenders in check.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #33 on: September 30, 2013, 06:11:13 pm »
If his distribution is good enough to help set up a goal then it's good enough for me to be honest.

There's a bit more to it than that though isn't there? Before the Sunderland game his long passing percentage was just over 15%. That means a huge amount of time we're just giving the ball back to our opponents. We don't want our centre backs playing low percentage balls up the pitch, and surely the same applies to our keeper?

There was a definite improvement in his passing yesterday though. Long may it continue.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #34 on: September 30, 2013, 06:14:30 pm »
I'm not even joking mate, look at Schmeichel of the early 90's, Migs comes out like him, saves like him and yes, as you say, keeps his defenders in check.

So happy with Migs I could poo a kid.

it was half in jest, I am actually pleased we have him, I believe he is just as vital to us as Sturridge and Suarez. Those two will win us games, but Migs will help us not lose them.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #35 on: September 30, 2013, 06:16:53 pm »
Miggzys triple save > double save > every other EPL keeper.
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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2013, 06:17:18 pm »
simon has been top class for us so far

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« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2013, 06:22:30 pm »
Didn't realise until we signed him what a great shot stopper he is, up there with the best in the league no doubt.

His kicking and dealing with crosses isn't the best, but he's still young and has a lot of scope for improvement. In 5 years he'll be the best keeper in the prem.
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« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2013, 06:25:19 pm »
So far, a great signing.

Some incredible saved so far, and he's really commanded his area.

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Re: Simon Mignolet
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2013, 09:15:36 pm »
His distribution was improved today. Great to see him release the ball quick for our third. Yes, he was a bit shaky and at fault for their goal (a bit unsighted, though), but just when it could have gotten worse he knuckled down and was flawless for the remainder. He looks very mentally strong and he 's only going to get better. He also might have the best reflexes in the league.

Love him. Great business.

Don't see it that way at all,the midfield were woefully slow to close the initial shot & deserve to shoulder that burden,SM saved that shot & although he could have pushed it away from goal..you could equally say the defence were slow to clear his parried save-poor goal conceded all round.