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Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« on: September 30, 2012, 08:53:30 pm »
It's the age of the super spending clubs. Real Madrid, PSG, Manchester City, Chelsea, as well as eastern European teams like Shaktar Donetsk, Anzhi Makhachkala, and Zenit St Petersburg. They all have very different transfer ideologies. Real Madrid are in the second phase of 'project Galacticos', having signed players like Cristiano Ronaldo, Kaka, and Xabi Alonso. PSG have gone out and spent a truck load on Zlatan Ibrahimovic, amongst others. Man City and Chelsea have spent their way to the Premier League title in recent years too. Funnily enough, Chelsea's most important players in their success of seasons past were homegrown John Terry and Frank Lampard, who was signed as a young player from West Ham. Two of Man City's most important players in their charge to a dramatic Premiership title just happened to be a low key £300,000 signing from Shrewsbury in Joe Hart; as well as their captain Vincent Kompany, who was signed for a paltry £6,000,000 from Belgian heavyweights Anderlecht.

As good as those three signings were, they don't compare to the sheer consistency of brilliant imports made by our next Europa League opponents Udinese.

Run by the Pozzo family, Udinese are a classic example of how to run a football team. The principle owner Giampaolo Pozzo also owns Spanish top flight side Granada, as well as Watford.

July 2009: Spanish club Granada are on the brink of financial meltdown. The club is faced with the very real threat of being closed down. At the death, Giampaolo Pozzo completes a takeover of the club. The new regime enables Granada to loan some of Udinese's fringe players, as well as Udinese signing the pick of Granada's youth system.

June 2011: Granada gain promotion to the Spanish top tier for the first time in 35 years.

A success story if ever there was one.

Udinese have finished in a Champions League spot in each of the last two seasons, with a squad containing only one player who is paid over €1,000,000 per annum. The player in question being their talismanic captain Antonio Di Natale. Every single Premiership club earns more than Udinese in TV money (perhaps unsurprisingly). So why the consistent success?

Udinese have around 50 scouts, mostly based in South America and Africa. They scout predominately in the second tier of countries, picking up players at an extremely young age for minimal fees and then hopefully selling them on at a profit. Of course there are a great number of players who they sign that never make an impact. That is just the nature of the beast. If you're signing up masses of South American talent, then it's inevitable there are going to be casualties. For Udinese, just one of their players making the big time is pay back on their investment. Here are some of the best deals Udinese have made in recent times.

Alexis Sanchez:

Udinese picked up a then 16 year old Sanchez from small Chilean club Cobreloa. The skinny little winger only had 47 games under his belt at this point in time, so the Italian club loaned him to one of Chile's super clubs Colo-Colo. A loan spell at River Plate followed, where he impressed enough to convince Udinese to put him into their first team set up. Sanchez showed flashes of his quality for Udinese, but it wasn't until the 2010/11 season that Sanchez finally announced himself as a first class prospect. For years, fellow Italian clubs such as Inter, Milan, and Juve all pondered moves for the Chilean international. They were left ruing the decision not to persue a definite interest, and turn that into a concrete offer. Sanchez had an impressive World cup, and he carried that form into the Serie A season, where he and Di Natale built up an formidable understanding to notch 39 goals between them. Udinese displayed a great tactical understanding, as well as some explosive counter attacking, all contributing to a 4th placed finish, which secured their place in the Champions League play off.



Bought for €2,000,000

Sold to Barcelona for €26,000,000 rising to €37,000,000 based on appearances and suchlike.

Kwadwo Asamoah: The Ghanaian central midfield player didn't have the most common trajectory to the big time. In 2007 he left Ghanaian club Liberty professionals to join Swiss club Bellinzona. His first taste of European football didn't go to plan however, and Asamoah was loaned to Italian club Torino in the January transfer window. Despite not making an impression in Switzerland, the young midfielder did enough at Torino in that 6 month spell to persuade Udinese to fork out a small fee for him in the 2008 summer transfer window. Like Sanchez, Asamoah began to play an important role at Udinese, and was soon a crucial player for both club and country. Such was his form that some Ghanaian fans took to calling him the next Michael Essien. Asamoah only improved his stature at the World cup, leading a young Ghana team to the quarter finals, where they were knocked out on penalties to Luis Suarez's Uruguay (Suarez was quiet that night if memory serves...). During the last transfer window, Asamoah transferred to Scudetto holders Juventus along with teammate Mauricio Isla.


Bought for an undisclosed fee

Sold to Juventus for €9,000,000 (50% of his contract).

From one Asamoah to another...

Asamoah Gyan: Gyan started his career at the same club as Asamoah, but rather than the indirect route to Udine chosen by Asamoah, Gyan transferred straight to Udinese, after scoring an impressive 11 goals in 16 games at the tender age of just 17. Gyan was farmed out to Serie B club Modena to acclimatise to Italian football, and he responded with a very respectable 15 goals in 53 games. Despite only scoring on 12 occasions for Udinese, he was still sold on to a massive profit on the initial investment.




Bought for an undisclosed fee

Sold for €8,000,000 to Rennes

Enough of the past. What of Udinese now?

The first thing to say, and it's Important to do so: Udinese aren't exactly known for taking the Europa League seriously. They regularly fielded second string sides in their group last season, which consisted of Atletico Madrid, Rennes, and Celtic. This year, so far at least, has been a similar story. In Matchday 1, their starting line up consisted of a smattering of first team players, but mostly second string players around that. It took a stoppage time goal from (guess who?) to draw the game against the oil rich Russian team from the deep south.

Champions League qualification is always the goal for Udinese. The money they receive for TV, as well as Matchday revenue, is crucial to sustain the vast number of scouts they employ.

As of today, there is an interesting story developing at Udinese. Their captain, and undoubted best player Di Natale was left out of their goalless draw at home to Genoa (the two oldest clubs in Italy). He wasn't being rested, he wasn't suspended, and he wasn't injured. Guidolin confirmed that he left the Italian international out due to a locker room bust up, but he insists it was not with him.

That leaves us with an interesting question: will Di Natale start the game on Thursday?

From a Liverpool point of view, hopefully not. From a selfish point of view, I'd love to see one of the great unsung heroes of modern football play a game at Anfield.

More likely, Thursday night will prevent an opportunity to see a one time Liverpool target in Pablo Armero, who may yet become another one of Udinese's success stories. The Colombian flies up and down the left flank with great pace, and can play either as a left back or in a more advanced role. Whoever plays at right back on Thursday will certainly have their hands full. On the other side will more than likely be promising young right back Marco Faraoni. The 20 year old former Inter player was deployed as a right sided midfielder in the draw to Genoa, and like Armero, he is adept in either role.

Key player: Mehdi Benatia

Plucked from the French lower leagues, Mehdi Benatia has proved to be another master stroke from the Udinese scouts. The defender was let go from Marseille as a youngster, and had to bide his time until Udinese signed him as a 23 year old, back In 2010. Aggressive and calm with the ball at his feet, the Moroccan centre back has been one of Serie A's most under appreciated players for a good while now. Linked with Manchester United and Chelsea in the summer, it won't be long before the man who Marseille deemed not good enough will be plying his trade at one of Europe's biggest clubs. Whether it's Morgan, Yesil, Sinclair, or Borini playing up front on Thursday, Benatia will provide a stern test of just how ready they are.

                                           

Udinese don't have the strength in depth Liverpool do, but they are an extremely well organised team, and with the likes of Benatia, Armero, and perhaps even Di Natale, they aren't to be scoffed at.
« Last Edit: October 1, 2012, 05:50:34 pm by Mr Dilkington »
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Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 11:16:20 pm »
Superb effort that. I think I know 100% more about Udinese than I did before
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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2012, 11:28:03 pm »
Swiss Ramble did a fantastic piece on Udinese's transfer model too...

http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/udinese-selling-their-way-to-top.html

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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2012, 11:30:06 pm »
You sir are a scholar. Brilliant stuff.

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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2012, 11:34:49 pm »
Fascinating read on Udinese. I knew of the army of scouts they employ and their status of being a "selling club", but I didn't understand how much they invest/rely on the scouts' services.

Also know that the Pozzo family purchased Watford recently. Strange, there are no rules in UEFA for a family/controlling shareholder to own multiple teams in differing European competitions? I guess if the rules allow you to do it, you might as well do it.

So folks, what's the starting lineup for this one?

My first go:

Jones

Carra
Coates
Robinson
Flanagan (if fit?)

Coady
Henderson
Shelvey

Assaidi
Borini
Pacheco

Be asking a lot for Sahin to play another game in a short period of time with Stoke coming up, hence why the inclusion of Connor Coady. Added bonus of bedding in yet another youngster and giving him a start.
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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2012, 11:42:02 pm »
Really interesting that cheers. Weird that such an old club have never won anything though.

Confident our second string/youngsters will be able to get a result on Thursday, especially if they rest a few.

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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2012, 11:52:40 pm »
Brilliant OP.

Anyone know if they're likely to field most of their first teamers?  Or will they also be playing a young/reserve side?
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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #7 on: October 1, 2012, 12:05:27 am »
Brilliant OP.

Anyone know if they're likely to field most of their first teamers?  Or will they also be playing a young/reserve side?

Did you actually read the whole thing because he talks about it...

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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #8 on: October 1, 2012, 12:06:13 am »
I know we don't like formations here but Udinese best team is:

Brkic
Banatia Danilo Coda
Basta Allan Pinzi Lazzari Pasqua
Fabrinni
Di Natale

Their start to the season has been as bad as our but they are a difficult match up for us in terms of style. They are renowned for there ability to pressure their opponent on the ball and hit them on the counter. It'll be tough for out young team to control the midfield and they'll need to avoid the sorts of mistakes we've been making . Doubtful they will play there best side but you'd still think they will have the more experienced team.

From our point of view it's interesting to see who we put out. Shelvey has to play given he's not suspended for Euroean games and I'd be using Jones, Carragher Coates, Henderson & Pacheco as well

Jones
?? Carragher Coates ??
Henderson
Shelvey  Pacheco
??     ??  ??

Hard to pick what Rodgers will do with the rest.

Morgan vs Yesil vs Borini
Downing vs Enrique vs Robinson
Flannagan? vs McLaughlin vs ??
Pacheco vs Adorjan vs Suso
Assaidi vs Sterling vs Pacheco

It's really hard to pick.
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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #9 on: October 1, 2012, 12:17:27 am »
Joe Cole will be handy as we are getting a bit thin. Long time out with what looked a minor hamstring injury
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« Reply #10 on: October 1, 2012, 01:34:02 am »
Great OP. Very informative.

In terms of what strength team to play I would hope that Rodgers goes for a stronger line up (especially in terms of the squad/subs bench)

I'm not saying that we got full strength but I really wouldn't mind some of the younger fringe players being dropped from the side so that we could have some serious quality to bring on from the subs bench if needed.

Basically I reckon this game should see our strongest Europa League squad named this season in terms of the way the fixtures fall.

As a home game the travel element is minimal and if we got another win it would really put us in a strong position in the group.

Makes far more sense to have first-team options on the bench for this game as opposed to having to drag them to Moscow or Italy.

On the basis of recent selections its hard not to see Jones, Carragher and Coates all starting.

In terms of the full-backs its hard to work out the pecking order at the moment.

From what we know Johnson, Wisdom and Robinson are all fit with Enrique's status questionable . 

If Enrique is anyway fit I'd start him with Wisdom on the other side, with Johnson on the bench if needed.

If Enrique isn't fit I would start Wisdom and Johnson with Robinson providing cover. If things are going well bring Robinson on early doors.

In terms of midfield and how many minutes everyone has got in the last four games.

Sahin                  246
Henderson         214
Gerrard              180
Allen                   180
Suso                   158
Pacheco               81
Shelvey                73

Shelvey will surely start seeing as hes not going to be involved Sunday.

I really don't think that Coady will feature and if he does it will most likely be late on if the game is almost over and its a case of resting legs.

I'd be leaning towards a starting combination of Allen, Henderson and Pacheco with a view towards having an Allen, Gerrard and Sahin starting combination for the Stoke game.

Possibly maybe one of Sahin or Gerrard on the bench for contingencies. I'd go for Gerrard personally but Sahin on there would also make sense.

Downing to start and hopefully some sort of positive reaction out of him.

Personally I'd consider starting Sterling as I would really live him to sit out the Stoke game.

I think Borini might be in with a shout of a start. If not I would expect him to be on the subs bench.

Assuming Enrique is fit ; otherwise Johnson on the pitch and Robinson on the subs bench.

---------------------Jones------------------
--Wisdom--Coates--Carra--Enrique--
-----------Henderson--Allen-------------
-------------------Shelvey----------------
--Downing-------Borini-------Sterling--

Subs : Gulacsi, Wilson, Johnson, Coady, Sahin, Cole, Yesil

I think this is a game where it makes too much sense to be conservative in terms of selecting a strength in light of the future fixtures.

A win here would really set us up and allow us to pick much weaker/younger/fringier squads in the later group games.

I'd rest Assaidi and very reluctantly have Cole in the squad ahead of Pacheco with the intention of giving Cole 30 minutes.

Based on Cole's fitness issues in France and the fact that he is coming back from injury I think it would be madness to start him.

Pacheco, Robinson and Suso are the losers in terms of squad selection but they will have further chances to impress.

Basically I have Downing and Cole in the same category - they are being given a chance to give a decent performance in a strongish team in order to be kept in the Europa League/ League Cup squad.

If they don't perform they go to the back of the queue and can have a game or two in the reserves to get their acts together.




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« Reply #11 on: October 1, 2012, 01:34:12 am »
Given that some of the players from recent European and league cup games started in the league last week it'll be interesting to see what sort of team we'll field. I'd imagine Shelvey will start in place of Sahin given his ban, and with Pacheco working hard and performing well last week it would be good to see him again. I was a little apprehensive ahead of the West Brom game when we started with Pacheco in the midfield 3 and no recognised holding midfielder, however the defensive duty was spread really well across the team and as a result we really didn't need that holding player.

Personally I don't want to see Cole starting, we've been pressing and passing well in recent games, playing those who deserve it, and giving smokey Joe a game would fly in the face of that. With the signings of Borini and Assaidi, along with the emergence of some youth players and possible January signings it might be in our best interests to freeze Cole out and try to push him into a move so we can free up at least some of his absurd wages.

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« Reply #12 on: October 1, 2012, 03:13:41 am »
Did you actually read the whole thing because he talks about it...

No, you're right, I thought I read it all but I did miss that paragraph somehow. 

A bit disappointing, if I'm honest; I'd prefer to see some of these younger players going up against the best a Serie A team has to offer to gauge a bit better where they're at and to give them that level of experience.
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« Reply #13 on: October 1, 2012, 03:19:17 am »
Again, the team for the Udinese game picks itself.
PL is a priority and because we have won out first group game we can afford a draw and maybe even a loss. We will likely not start anyone who is expected to start against Stoke.
I see:

                           Jones
Robinson     Carra            Coates     Flanagan
               Henderson  Shelvey
                          Pacheco
Downing               Borini              Assaidi

Flanagan if not fit could be replaced by Enrique as he needs minutes if he is fit to play.

I think we win.

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« Reply #14 on: October 1, 2012, 05:07:33 am »
It's a really busy fixture list:

4th Oct Udinese (Home)
7th Oct Stoke (Home)
12th Oct Internationals (Uruguay, England, Slovakia, Eng U21, Wales, Turkey, Denmark, Morroco)
16th Oct  Internationals (Uruguay, England, Slovakia, Eng U21, Wales, Turkey, Denmark)
20th Oct Reading (Home)
25th Oct Anzhi (Home)
28th Oct Chelsea (Away)

That's Skrtel, Agger, Suarez, Gerrard, Johnson, Henderson, Shelvey, Coates, Sahin, Assaidi (1 game), Allen and possibly Sterling & Wisdom all on international duty.

With our small squad that might cause some problems.  I think we should play a strong side this game and put a very weak one out against Anzi. A win here means a loss against Anzhi still probably puts us in the box seat to qualify. If we lose though we can't afford to drop the Anzhi points if we want to stay in the competition.

I'd go very strong:

Reina
Johnson Carragher Coates Enrique
Allen
Shelvey Henderson
Sterling                Pacheco
Suarez
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« Reply #15 on: October 1, 2012, 06:09:18 am »
brilliant opening post. I am really enjoying the opening post on all these pre game threads. i found it interesting how much money they are pumping into their scouting network. If Udinese need to qualify for champs cup then they must be spending a good 10 million on their network. They have produced some really good players too. I remember looking at sanchez 2 years ago and dreaming about him running down our wing...thn I woke up!!

So there are 3 main questions for me in this game

1: Old or young on the wings?
Downing still in the dog house? Cole fit enough yet?
If the answer is youth then we could see pacheco or suso again out on a wing, with assaidi on the other. If not we will see downing/cole on the right, assaidi on the left. I again would go anyone of Suso, Pacheco or assaidi on the wings for this one. I just think they all offer more than downing and cole. All have more energy and pressing too. Downing continually wants to put his head down and sprint to the by line for a cross to our 5'6 strikers. Pacheco, assaidi and suso have an ability to get their head up and pass inside, or if they do want to beat a man they have the ability to beat them on the outside, or cut inside them and beat them. Cole may be involved and come on from the bench.

Saying all that though we will most likely see assaidi and downing. Suso and sterling rested for the weekend, cole coming on to be involved at some stage.

2: Midfield set up, has sahin nailed down a first team spot and in turn be rested for these europa games?
Id like to think Sahin has. He played brilliantly against norwich and i think he will be saved to disect stoke for a full 90 on the weekend. Jonjo is nailed on to start this one, as is Henderson. That leaves room for one midfielder, I think its between Cole and Pacheco, with a slight possibility of Suso starting. You'd think after the perfomance of pacheco against West brom then he'd get the spot, which i think he deserves. His workrate was brilliant and i think he needs to be rewarded, possibly suso coming on for him after 70 minutes.

3: Who gets the gig up top?
If Borini is fit then id give it to him, which is a big call for Rodgers to make because it pretty much says that suso is ahead of him for the best XI spot. Id like to really see him get a full 90 in that central role, against Italian opposition, and see how he goes. If its not Borini, or Borini only gets half a game id like to see Morgan Involved again. Just think he has a bit more to his game physically compared to yesil, which could be handy aginst A strong and physical Italian defense.

back line picks itself if flanaghan is fit.

so im expecting:

                 Reina
flanaghan Carra Coates  Robinson
     
         Shelvey Henderson
 
 Downing   Pacheco  Assaidi

                  Borini

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« Reply #16 on: October 1, 2012, 06:15:03 am »
brilliant opening post. I am really enjoying the opening post on all these pre game threads. i found it interesting how much money they are pumping into their scouting network. If Udinese need to qualify for champs cup then they must be spending a good 10 million on their network. They have produced some really good players too. I remember looking at sanchez 2 years ago and dreaming about him running down our wing...thn I woke up!!

So there are 3 main questions for me in this game

1: Old or young on the wings?
Downing still in the dog house? Cole fit enough yet?
If the answer is youth then we could see pacheco or suso again out on a wing, with assaidi on the other. If not we will see downing/cole on the right, assaidi on the left. I again would go anyone of Suso, Pacheco or assaidi on the wings for this one. I just think they all offer more than downing and cole. All have more energy and pressing too. Downing continually wants to put his head down and sprint to the by line for a cross to our 5'6 strikers. Pacheco, assaidi and suso have an ability to get their head up and pass inside, or if they do want to beat a man they have the ability to beat them on the outside, or cut inside them and beat them. Cole may be involved and come on from the bench.

Saying all that though we will most likely see assaidi and downing. Suso and sterling rested for the weekend, cole coming on to be involved at some stage.

2: Midfield set up, has sahin nailed down a first team spot and in turn be rested for these europa games?
Id like to think Sahin has. He played brilliantly against norwich and i think he will be saved to disect stoke for a full 90 on the weekend. Jonjo is nailed on to start this one, as is Henderson. That leaves room for one midfielder, I think its between Cole and Pacheco, with a slight possibility of Suso starting. You'd think after the perfomance of pacheco against West brom then he'd get the spot, which i think he deserves. His workrate was brilliant and i think he needs to be rewarded, possibly suso coming on for him after 70 minutes.

3: Who gets the gig up top?
If Borini is fit then id give it to him, which is a big call for Rodgers to make because it pretty much says that suso is ahead of him for the best XI spot. Id like to really see him get a full 90 in that central role, against Italian opposition, and see how he goes. If its not Borini, or Borini only gets half a game id like to see Morgan Involved again. Just think he has a bit more to his game physically compared to yesil, which could be handy aginst A strong and physical Italian defense.

back line picks itself if flanaghan is fit.

so im expecting:

                 Reina
flanaghan Carra Coates  Robinson
     
         Shelvey Henderson
 
 Downing   Pacheco  Assaidi

                  Borini

Mostly agree with you except that point about Morgan being more physically developed compared to Yesil.

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Re: Liverpool vs Udinese preview
« Reply #17 on: October 1, 2012, 06:52:58 am »
Udinese is a very strong team, and if we do not play with some of the best players we have... we may lose the game.

Luis  should play at least half time.

Sterling, being so young could play on this game, go to dance on friday, and play again on sunday.



Jones.
Flana...Coates...Carra...Enrique
Hendo...Allen...Jonjo
Sterling...Suarez...Borini



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« Reply #18 on: October 1, 2012, 07:51:29 am »
More on Udinese tactics:

They play 3 at the back all the time and 3-5-2/3-5-1-1 is their preferred formation. Most of the time they stick to that and hardly ever go to 4 man defense. They had the third best defensive record in Serie A last season (conceded only 35 goals in 38 games) so they are very strong defensively and will be hard to break down. Guidolin demands high work rate from his midfield and forward line, so the midfield battle will be key. They are also very very good on the counter attack and some of their counter attacks are lightening quick and effective.

This could be a fascinating tactical battle because of two very contrasting systems and in my opinion, 0-0 or a narrow one goal win could be the outcome.
« Last Edit: October 1, 2012, 10:16:29 am by pjshaun »

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« Reply #20 on: October 1, 2012, 08:16:31 am »
Brilliant OP, it was a pleasure to read. Knew naught about Udinese before this, so cheers for that. Pretty intrigued, wonder how our younger lads are going to cope with a counter-attacking team. I don't suppose Wisdom will be starting? So we might see Flannagan? Considering Suso was substituted against Norwich, perhaps he might start as well. Shelvey and Hendo is a no-brainer for sure. I also reckon Robinson has earned a start, besides Enrique is still injured isn't he? I think Brendan should be impressed with Pacheco's work rate as well, would like to see him start.

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« Reply #21 on: October 1, 2012, 08:42:53 am »
Daniel Pacheco ‏@dani37pacheco
Good morning. Training later and then off to watch u21's at the academy vs Fulham. 2pm Ko. Have a good Monday all !

would suggest he is in the squad at least for Udinese

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« Reply #22 on: October 1, 2012, 09:44:02 am »
thanks Dilks, great work
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« Reply #23 on: October 1, 2012, 10:07:04 am »
Am I the only one who would love to see Di Natale score? Maybe I am getting senile.

Interesting stuff about Udinese; I knew about the transfer policy and Granada (from here only; I think there was a thread earlier). The Watford stuff is new, though. Maybe when we become fan owned in the future we will pick up a small team from Spain too.

Anyways, I think the lineup would be pretty straightforward. I think Flanno is still injured; so would probably be Wisdom-Coates-Carra-Robbo in defense. Hopefully the midfield will be Hendo-Shelvey-Pacheco (another chance for the Spanish youngster to make it) and the attack Suso-Borini-Downing/Assaidi (depending whether Assaidi is slated to start against Stoke).
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« Reply #24 on: October 1, 2012, 10:10:46 am »
Am I the only one who would love to see Di Natale score? Maybe I am getting senile.

You are senile at 25? ;)

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« Reply #25 on: October 1, 2012, 10:16:54 am »
Looking forward to this, the fact that sterling and suso now look like regular first teamers we might not see such a young first 11 but players like cole, downing and borini who is hopefully back after a short time out. Couple that with carragher, maybe enrique? and there's a fair few experienced players there. I'd expect henderson to play along with shelvey but not too sure about the other midfielder, probably go for allen..with gerrard and sahin rested for the weekend, but maybe on the bench?

I think it'll be a decent first 11 and plenty of options on the bench, hopefully dani gets a look in again and yesil on the bench too.

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« Reply #26 on: October 1, 2012, 10:18:46 am »
It's very difficult to know what team Rodgers is going to play! I hope we don't underestimate these too much. We got away with it against Young Boys, but I think we need a bit more experience this week. I'd like to see Suso, Robinson, Assaidi and Pacheco start again though.
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« Reply #27 on: October 1, 2012, 10:23:45 am »
Nestor Sensini, Oliver Bierhoff, Marcio Amoroso, Vincenzo Iaquinta, David Pizarro, Martin Jørgensen, Sulley Muntari, Fabio Quagliarella, Antonio Di Natale, Felipe, Cristián Zapata, Gökhan Inler and Alexis Sánchez

quite a list of players 'discovered' by Udinese
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« Reply #28 on: October 1, 2012, 10:33:21 am »
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« Reply #29 on: October 1, 2012, 10:53:47 am »
Great stuff MD, thanks.
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« Reply #30 on: October 1, 2012, 10:55:23 am »
Great read. Definitely feel we have a chance to steal all 3 points as Italian don't really take Europe seriously (in Europa anyway)

Di Natale at 34 now? is still a threat. Great great player.

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Sold to Juventus for €9,000,000 (50% of his contract).
can someone explain this to me? If they bought 50% of his contract, who owns the other 50%?
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« Reply #31 on: October 1, 2012, 10:56:58 am »
Bit confused in the opening post where it says  can someone explain this to me? If they bought 50% of his contract, who owns the other 50%?
It's a complicated thing that Italians do all the time, better explained here

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« Reply #32 on: October 1, 2012, 11:03:21 am »
Cheers Mr Dilkington, really enjoyed that.

How do they (and many other clubs who do this) manage to sign promising youngsters from South America and Africa. In this country we’d struggle to get work permiots wouldn’t we (apart from United perhaps)? Dodgy/Dual passports or are they just a lot more lax in Italy?

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It's a complicated thing that Italians do all the time, better explained here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-ownership_(football)

Glad that's not in the PL lol
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« Reply #34 on: October 1, 2012, 12:55:31 pm »
Excellent preview, thanks, Mr D.

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« Reply #35 on: October 1, 2012, 01:02:01 pm »
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« Reply #36 on: October 1, 2012, 01:47:51 pm »
Excellent write up.

Well up for this game. How can you not be with the exciting talent we'll likely be giving opportunities to.

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Minutes played the last 3/4 matches (including injury time):

                      Last 3   Last 4
Defenders
Wisdom          187         280
Carragher      131         224
Skrtel             191         191
Coates             93         186
Agger             174         174
Johnson         170         170
Kelly                97            97     Injured
Enrique           93            93     Injured ?
Robinson         93            93

Midfielders
Sahin             159         252
Henderson    152          245
Suso              123         216     Has played wide forward
Allen              191         191
Gerrard          191         191
Shelvey            97         123

Forwards
Assaidi           128         195
Suarez           191         191
Sterling          160         176
Downing          93         170     Has played left back
Pacheco           81         143     Has played in midfield
Yesil                 81           81
Borini               46           77     Injured ?
Sinclair             12           12


Some will surely be rested, but how many and who?

I'd say Jones, Coates, Shelvey and Downing will definitely start. Probably also Pacheco. If fit I also think Enrique and Borini will start.

All in all my guess would be

Jones
Wisdom - Carra - Coates - Enrique (if fit)/Robinson
Shelvey - Allen - Suso
Downing - Borini (if fit)/Pacheco - Pacheco/Assaidi (if Borini not fit)

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« Reply #38 on: October 1, 2012, 02:21:44 pm »
Thanks for that insight Mr D. Really looking forward to this.
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« Reply #39 on: October 1, 2012, 03:25:59 pm »
It seems that for the last few midweek games, Rodgers has kept his eye on the weekend league matchup to guide his selection.  I think he will continue to do this, giving rest to some of the senior players who will be counted on in the league.  With that said, I think you have to at least consider what we will want to do against Stoke.  I expect Stoke at Anfield will park the bus (as they generally do) and they will not make the same mistakes that Norwich made.  I think set pieces, both for and against, could be key.  I would love to see us play Wisdom, Agger, Coates and Johnson at the back against Stoke.  That back line has three potential goal scorers from set pieces and Johnson is a potential goal scorer from open play.  For me, that means I would partner Skrtel and Carra against Udinese. 
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