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Two years of FSG - the report card (*)
« on: September 17, 2012, 10:39:49 am »
No better place to start than with a quote from Ray Osbourne (Shanklyboy.) It was 16th October 2010, the day after our club was finally wrestled from the rigor mortis-like grip of Hicks and Gillett, the horror flick extras who wanted to take us with them to the grave. “Think back to our delight at getting a SaveLFC banner shown for a millisecond at the World Cup,” Ray wrote in a pm, “Now think about us sitting drinking coffee with the new owner of Liverpool six months later.”

 It all started so well. Here was an owner prepared to meet with the supporters as a priority and demonstrably listen. After their breakfast meeting, the pms from the three representatives of the RAWK-based protest movement SaveLFC who had met John Henry were overwhelmingly favourable. The impression conveyed was of an engaging man who asked relevant questions. He seemed surprised and gratified when the lads talked enthusiastically about the academy set-up, remarking it was the only good news he’d received about the club. SaveLFC was placed in abeyance. Prepare to talk about the football, chaps.

 Martin Broughton had made clear the criteria governing the sale at the start of the process: "What's best for the club is somebody build the new stadium, make sure that the club is properly financed and that there is enough money available to take the club forward.” On the issue of a new stadium, he added, “There is an overwhelming financial logic to any buyer to proceed. They wouldn't get to be the winning bid without that commitment."

 The deal valued the club at £300m and removed the outgoing owners’ leveraged buy-out debt. “They had thought about using some debt to purchase the club [presumably for tax reasons],” SaveLFC’s SmithdownAndy reported after meeting John Henry. “This had been decided against by FSG.” This was sensible. FSG needed to differentiate themselves from Hicks and Gillett quickly and decisively. A club free of ‘a mortgage’ is the minimum we should expect from them. As MD Christian Purslow wearily pointed out, that financial model simply did not work. “I cannot stress enough: the burden of running a football business with acquisition debt on it is extraordinarily difficult.” So they deserve no excessive gratitude for not being Hicks and Gillett. But by the same token, FSG deserve no special ire for happening to be American capitalists.

 FSG’s first official statement was full of jargon-rich waffle but little detail. The mantra Henry and Werner repeated was “to under-promise and over-deliver.”  But there was a promise made, even if it was largely lost in the avalanche of carefully-phrased rhetoric, and it is one against which to measure them. Werner stated unequivocally: “In five years we want to be able to show you a consistent, successful, winning club.’ And John Henry told the official TV channel, “We will provide [LFC] with the resources and the commitment to win in the near future.”

   One of the key strategies was clear. “It is a global football club and with the financial fair play rules it is going to be revenue that drives how good your club can be in the future.” The window for buying success through over-spending was closing year by year. Henry and his co-directors bought Liverpool because they thought they had the perfect skill set to exploit the opportunities afforded by change. They thought they were smarter than the average football club owner.

 Their history with the Red Sox, of course, displayed the expertise they were confident of employing. John Henry told the Boston Globe that same history won FSG preferred status in the bid process. “There were other higher dollar figures. But...they felt we were the best buyer because of our track record.’’ 

 “We don’t rest,” John Henry explained in another interview. “We’ll look at stats no-one else will look at, employ scouting in a way that has a compelling organisational context, question everything and everyone and ensure we have the best player development curriculum and protocols. Everyone is fixated on [us relying on] sabermetrics but football is too dynamic to focus on that. Ultimately you have to rely on your scouting.”

 Henry talked about “care” and “focus.” Werner promised FSG would “find the very best people in football.” Henry gave us the vision he’d sold Martin Broughton, how he’d gone toe to toe with the big spenders when outwitting the New York Yankees in the MBL, how they’d identified “the right manager, the right general manager, the right CEO.” It sounded good.

 Two and a half weeks later, they inflicted Damien Comolli upon us. The Frenchman was appointed Director of Football Strategy on the recommendation of FSG’s baseball-mate Billy Beane and promoted to Director of Football in March 2011. Comolli certainly began an ongoing process to extract better value from the wage bill and it is one positive of his tenure. But was this really the man to mastermind the Anfield revolution? The first problem was the manager in situ: that Werther-chewing advocate of the 4-4-2, while the Academy and Reserves were learning 4-2-3-1. In Hodgson we had a disciple of caution even as FSG spoke fervently of the relentless attack of the Liverpool teams of the 80s. What was required was the necessary impetus to remove the man who so clearly deviated from the vision. Neither FSG nor Comolli provided it. Indeed, Comolli became so friendly with Hodgson that he argued for patience. Two and half months were lost to Roy’s sideline face-rubs.

 Comolli’s fatal and incomprehensible misunderstanding of his role was on display from the first interview, when he talked about the fundamentals of his job. “What does the manager want? What sort of player does he like? What type of organisation has he got on the pitch? Does he play 4-3-3, does he play 4-4-2?...Obviously the manager's opinion, coaching philosophy and playing philosophy is what we need to look at and it's up to me to say 'Roy, the way you like to play is that way, your philosophy is this one, we think this player fits perfectly into your philosophy.’” Had a tail ever wagged a dog so vigorously?

  FSG’s “clarity of thought has been obscured by poor choices in employing the men to implement it,” The Times’s Football Editor, Tony Evans, wrote recently. “But FSG believes it was the person [Comolli] rather than the policy that was flawed.” True. But questions remain: why did it take them so long to realise? Last summer, why did no one in either Boston or Liverpool challenge our DoF”s bountiful philanthropy towards the rest of the Premier League?

 Blithely ignoring his function to impose an identity on Liverpool, before his April 2012 dismissal Comolli bought a squad crafted to implement the style of a manager FSG had never wanted to appoint in the first place. Inevitably, when FSG sacked Dalglish and finally imposed an on-pitch vision from the boardroom, the squad was not fit for a new man’s purpose. As Brendan Rodgers pointedly observed, “There’s no point paying millions if they can’t play football.”

 “I wasn’t convinced when we arrived that Kenny should be back managing,” Henry said a year ago. “I wanted things to work with the manager we inherited.” It’s hard to believe Henry saw Roy Hodgson as a long-term solution. FSG simply wanted Roy to soldier towards mid-table and the summer of 2011 when they would replace him with the young dynamic manager of their dreams. Dalglish’s relative success in the Spring of 2011 and his hold on the supporters’ affections caused a deviation from the script. Again, it was a display of weakness – though understandable - when ruthless strength was required.

   Henry, soon after the takeover, had given us a vow, an identity statement: “We would like to say to our fans that we are honest.” Yet how did that accord with their actions in sacking Dalglish? After Comolli’s April departure, Werner immediately declared: “We've got great confidence in Kenny...he enjoys our full support.” A month later he was gone. The “very poor second half” to the PL season lost Dalglish his job, his dream. At roughly the time Werner was formulating his statement, Liverpool had gained only eight points from 12 games. Are we to believe they were not discussing this form and its implications at that stage? And as we later learned, an FA Cup Final win would have changed nothing, except that the principal owner might not have snubbed his manager’s hand so publicly during the presentations. This was not John Henry’s finest hour. Did Werner have an alternative to the dreaded vote of confidence? Arguable. But it damaged trust nevertheless. Werner is the main culprit in deviating from the “under-promise” axiom, especially in his hyperbolic, “We certainly have the resources to compete with anybody in football.” As a result, even before the shambles of August 31 this year, the warm trust established initially was chipped and peeling.

 19 months after the takeover, they hired Brendan Rodgers, another risky appointment but an imaginative and coherent one. Before that, they appointed a global executive search firm to find us a new CEO but ended up promoting the under-educated Ian Ayre to Managing Director. The DoF model was bigged up last Spring and binned a few months later at the request not just of Rodgers but other managerial candidates. Rodgers also refused to work with a technical director, leading to the club losing Pep Segura.

 In place, though, we will have a promising new technical committee which is expected to finally deliver the FSG vision. Rodgers will chair the group, which consists of Michael Edwards, Head of Analytics (a man who had a key role in Spurs’ successful transfer policy and is highly valued by FSG); the Head of Development (academy); the Head of the Medical Department; a negotiator of transfers/contracts (still to be appointed); and Dave Fallows as Head of Scouting and Recruitment. Fallows joins in October from Manchester City - via his garden - bringing with him Barry Hunter, who covered Italy and Russia for the blues. Another of the new recruits specialises in Portuguese and South American football. All the recruits are well-versed in the use of statistics, analytics and technology. The challenge set them by FSG - that excites them - is to get Liverpool to the pinnacle of English and European football by outsmarting the opposition rather than outspending them. The idea is the expected one: to find youthful value in the market, to buy Suarez at the age of 20 from Groningen rather than four years later from Ajax. Rodger’s “death by football” is the blueprint for the whole club (and dovetails pretty neatly with the born-in-Spain philosophy in our nurseries.) Going forward, Rodgers is expected to pick his preferences from a list provided to him by the four new scouts. FSG have also told the new scouting team they will top up the squad with occasional ‘marquee’ signings (providing they still provide value to the club) as a fillip to the brand, fans and team.

 Rodgers agreed to all this before joining. FSG believed their man would be at ease working via consensus although there were suggestions in early August that Rodgers was resistant to the scouts’ suggestions. Then, on August 31, our hierarchy provided a masterclass in ruining an otherwise excellent transfer window. Rodgers (I am told) surprised everyone by dismissing all candidates suggested to him for our vacant front line. FSG surprised him by stubbornly refusing to wreck their blueprint for the 29-year-old Dempsey. Miscommunication or power play? With Rodgers’ comments about the ‘honesty’ of the owners at his recent press conference, we hear the slurp of a hearty kiss and make-up. But has the structural fault line been repaired?

 ‘We will be visible at Anfield,’ Werner proclaimed on October 15 2010. Certainly, there has been  dialogue. FSG gave us the supporters’ committee and their appointee Jen Chang introduced ground-breaking access for fan sites such as ours to the manager. Ginsberg, the money man of the set-up, has been over here frequently. Yet our Chairman has been so noticeably absent Spirit of Shankly publicly called for a Chief Executive in situ. Tony Evans points his finger at a plaid-shirted culprit: ‘Ian Ayre is a pygmy even in an area that has few giants.’ This is before we even touch on the giant botch job known as the Suarez affair. (We all know the depressing catalogue of errors.)

 So – by Broughton’s sale criteria: how have FSG measured up? They have “properly financed” the club in the sense of removing extraneous debt. They have provided funds to move the club forward only in the form of a £30m interest-free loan last summer. On this, Henry has always been consistent, his buzz words here being “Arsenal model,” and “sustainable.” In a nutshell: “We intend to strengthen this club annually but that doesn’t mean we will deficit spend. It’s up to us to strengthen revenues.” But at the commercial department we have seen a familiar FSG pattern: a fan-fared appointment (Graham Bartlett) who has fallen by the wayside. The replacement Commercial Director (Billy Hogan) is another internal promotion and yet another based in Boston. And how can our own department compete with Manchester United’s 70-strong force, split between London and Manchester? The delay on a stadium decision rankles with many supporters yet FSG were upfront on the timescales required. In November 2010 they briefed the Echo that they might take two years to weigh the options. The informed opinion is that Broughton was wrong about the watertight case for a new stadium and that an expansion of Anfield makes better financial sense. (The stadium board on RAWK provides a meaty analysis of the hows and whys, thanks to the contributions of Peter McGurk and AlanX.) On the other hand, we believe the enviable agreement that trades a part-sale of Inter Milan with a new stadium construction was sitting invitingly on a table in L4 earlier this year.

 Two years ago, Henry and Werner presented themselves to Broughton and to us, the supporters, as savvy sports operators. They pointed to their record - since gone moobs up - with the Red Sox. In the last week, stories in America (denied by Henry) suggest FSG are mulling the sale of the Red Sox ten years ahead of their 20-year plan (‘we do everything long-term’) to concentrate on LFC.  Back in 2010, we were too relieved to be rid of Hicks and Gillett to pay attention to the small print: something about past performance not being an indication of future results. We always knew we would need patience to recover from a convergence of oafish double-acts: Parry and Moores, Hicks and Gillett. But FSG need to learn lessons more swiftly and acknowledge they are over-stretched, especially if they do not bale out of Boston. Next April will mark the halfway point in FSG’s self-declared five-year plan for consistent success at LFC. We cannot afford more mistakes. We cannot afford a return to internal politics. They told us Dalglish went because they wanted to see annual progress. We yearn for it, John and Tom - we yearn.


*I would like to thank to Royhendo for ‘doing n’owt’  ;) and Zeb for advice in compiling this and a number of RAWK sources who wish to remain anonymous for obvious reasons.

*This article refers to FSG throughout for clarity, although they were known as NESV until March 2011.

*The £30m loan mentioned in the copy relies on the last accounts. Since filing it may have been converted into equity or even been paid back. The next accounts will reveal this.

*For more detail on the value in the wage bill as at last March, have a look at: http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/03/fsg-how-are-they-living-up-to-their-own-billing/

For more info on the Red Sox mooted sale see: http://mobile.boston.com/art/22/sports/columnists/massarotti/2012/09/questions_abound_following_red?p=1

*This article has largely avoided analysis of the financial aspect because a further article will attempt to explain these in a simple and accessible fashion. - Or so I hope.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2012, 11:20:31 am »
Nice effort mate but i'm afraid the same points will be debated over again. For me, as a matter of scoring on a report card, all things considered, they have done pretty badly. Frankly, it doesn't take two years to evaluate options on the stadium, when its clear building a new one wouldn't make any sense at all. Add that to the appointments of Commoli and Ayre into key positions. The nonsense of "giving" shares to Lebron James and all that. Even with Brendan Rodgers, as Juan Loco would put it, they literally lucked onto him. The disregard for loyal season ticket holders.
 Its a bit of a mess really, and the cynic side of me thinks they are trying to do up the books for an eventual sale. Not to even mention the treatment of Kenny Dalglish. That makes me sick in my stomach everytime i think of it.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2012, 11:27:10 am »
Two years with lots of change, however the change hasn't trickled down to the football pitch and improved results, which is ultimately the barometre of success, along with a healthy financial stability.

When I look at FSG's tenure i try and not start at any given point, rather list decisions and events that've taken place and see whether i believe they were good or bad choices. For me the first thing FSG should have done upon purchasing the club was introduce a CEO who had a successful football pedigree and had overseen change at a 'big club' - David Dein was the obvious shout, whether he was open to that opportunity, he was certainly the type of 'footballing' commercial experience we required to help advise FSG and steer the heavy weak ruddered ship that is LFC. For me you start from the top down, all this metaphorical nonsense about building a house up is just that, nonsense. We needed a strategy formulated and then executed, for that you need decision makers. We skipped a beat, employed Damien Comolli - but without a sound experienced footballing strategy forged from board room level we became very dependant on this one persons qualities to identify and execute our footballing vision on behalf of the manager.

Forget the stadium issue for a moment, it's a decision that'll ultimately provide us with the platform to compete financially, self sufficiently in the long run with the other great clubs around the globe based on the premise of FFP. But as a business and a club, our energies needed to be focused on the short term issues, our commercial revenue, our horrific wage budget - not reflective on merit of performance. The philosophy we needed to instill to provide a sustainable long term vision. What irks me at this point was the employment of Kenny Dalglish, he worked in a strucure where his main responsibility was the team and their performances, not the recruitment, scouting and contract negotiations. None of us really know how much weight he held during the process of purchasing players, but what we do know is that Damien was employed with that brief of responsibility, dependant on how the power play worked you can argue either way, but i prefer to work with just what i know. I imagine Kenny identified areas the team needed addressing, players would be discussed and Damien would be instructed to go out and deliver, the responsibility for wages and transfer fees clearly in Damien's domain.

Kenny paid the price of Damien's poor negotiation ultimately. he may very well have endorsed the signings. But he didn't arrange the contracts, the transfer fees. He didn't set up the "Torres + £15m" concept or sit down and agree that Downing was infact a £16m+ player. That wasn't his responsibility, but yet ultimately is what defines his latest tenure of the club. "What a fool Kenny is paying that much for such and such" - Most clubs would be over the bloody moon to have reached two cup finals in one season, that's what football exists for, no? Trophies... apparently not, league position and the almighty buck is what drives success these days.

So Kenny paid the price or a poor league season and an excessive spend of budget, despite that never being his remit.

Two years in, they have the young forward thinking manager they always desired, Brendan Rodgers. But yet the infrastrucutre lacks, there are still gaping holes in the bridge between football and commercial operations at board room level. There is still a foggy blur of contradiction, last season the club demanded a top 4 place, this year that appears not to be the demand - otherwise why else would you cut off your nose to spite your face and leave the squad so desperately shy on deadline day of attacking players in the first team. If they are prepared to offer patience to Brendan to develop a squad that will deliver in a number of years, why get rid of a manager after his first full season for failing to take the club to the promised land of financial heaven (top 4) - Which is it FSG? A ruthless non-acceptance of anything less than total success or a supportive understanding of progress and investment over time?

FSG may be two years into their tenure, but have today perhaps more questions than answers than when they arrived.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2012, 11:37:12 am »
Guys, No666 has put a lot of time and effort into what's turned out to be a fantastic article. It would be much more respectful to read, digest and discuss the content of the article than to argue about our current league position after a handful of games, wouldn't it? Plenty of other places you can do that...

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2012, 11:41:43 am »
Guys, No666 has put a lot of time and effort into what's turned out to be a fantastic article. It would be much more respectful to read, digest and discuss the content of the article than to argue about our current league position after a handful of games, wouldn't it? Plenty of other places you can do that...

Endorse this view, this thread has great potential to discuss the finer points in detail over their stewardship. Lets keep the one liners out and have a proper discussion about the points of debate.

FSG as our owners are an integral discussion to our future success, let's not get a thread locked / de-railed through lazy comments. Let's discuss the facts and evaluate their decisions.

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2012, 11:42:16 am »
Ah i dunno, optimism, doubt, optimism, doubt...thats kinda how its been for me.
I'm like that in general though so...

I just think, these are men, business men, clever businessmen to of had the success and got where they are today, surely? I understand they own the club, i feel like they want whats best for the club i honestly do but how can such men make so many mistakes. Thats what i don't understand. I do understand they we're new to football, but not to ownership of sports clubs. Not in how to run this type of business well. I haven't studied they're tenure of the red sox like some, i just know they brought success to them relativelty quickly after such a long period without any. Now i didnt expect us to be succesfull straight away, although when Kenny first came back in January i thought what we achieved was as much as we possibly could in his caretaker role and i considered that an actual success what kenny did between january and may. But that's where things started to fuck up in my eyes, that summer, not because of kenny, not because of the players, staff or whoever was brought in. But because it never feels like there to blame, its always felt like the blame has been shifted to other parts of the club, by the owners. They don't wanna be seen when things are tits up

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2012, 11:43:25 am »
Great post Red Genius. I would add though, it isn't just Kenny who paid the price for Comolli's failures, we as a football club are now paying for the price for a man they appointed foolishly.

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2012, 11:44:48 am »
The unfortunate fact is that we've spent two years being told about this bright new future for LFC, and besides a relatively stable financial position, we're not anywhere ahead of where we were the day FSG took over. Just looking at the football side of it, it's hugely disappointing. I don't mean to sound like an "everything now" impatient fan but a couple of false dawns later we're still "that" team. Struggling against smaller teams, no home form to speak of and an almost irritating ability to step it up only for the big guys, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we smashed the mancs this weekend after drawing with Sunderland, it's par for the course with us
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2012, 11:51:13 am »
Thanks for sharing this.

This sentence didn't make sense to me?:


On the other hand, we believe the apparently enviable agreement that trades a part-sale of Inter Milan with a new stadium construction was sitting invitingly on a table in L4 earlier this year.

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2012, 11:57:11 am »
I kind of nod along to everything Red Genius said. What do you think of the plans going forward? How many lessons do they appear to have learnt?

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2012, 11:57:24 am »
Thanks for sharing this.

This sentence didn't make sense to me?:


On the other hand, we believe the apparently enviable agreement that trades a part-sale of Inter Milan with a new stadium construction was sitting invitingly on a table in L4 earlier this year.
It Seems the Chinese bid offered to build the stadium in exchange for part ownership of the club similar to Inter Milan (15%??)

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2012, 11:59:13 am »
Who are the four new scouts we have appointed? Fallows, Hunter and?

Will we appointing a new head of development or will this be Frank Mcpharlands role? and is the head of medince the guy Rodgers brought with him from Swansea?

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2012, 12:00:08 pm »
But the fact is we haven't one match so far in the league.

FSG aren't the ones on the pitch or managing the side though.

People may argue they didn't provide money for Dempsey (so... backing the manager), but they've been reports we offered a sum of over 10m (exact amount escapes me) for a certain Daniel Sturridge. Dempsey was clearly not in Rodgers plans or we decided not to negotiate with Fulham.
You may also argue that FSG provided atleast 20m+ for transfers; which IS a lot considering we're not in CL (and havn't been for four years now), so it's not their fault that Rodgers didn't bring in an out and out striker and decided to go for the likes of Allen.

Saying that, I do rate Allen. But wouldn't it have been a smarter investment to bring somebody who can score? The problem we've been confronting as a whole in the last two seasons?
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2012, 12:15:52 pm »
positives:
got rid of the majority of a crippling debt.
experience in running a "sports franchise"

negatives:
no CEO with football experience, David Dein looked the perfect choice
changed plan atleast 3 times
no stadium news

what i would have likes them to do:
1. david dein appointed CEO
2. DOF/footballing committee recruited, scouts, analysts, medical etc...
3. manager who fits the profile of the club and the direction they want to go. rodgers would not have been the choice at this point.
4.  £100m spent on younger hungry players and really we could not spend it worse
5. high earners that are not playing need to be moved on, kuyt, maxi, aqua, cole etc...
6. stick to the plan
7. sort stadium out

we have been rebuilding for 4-5 years and we have not moved forward. i like that youth is getting its chance but we are relying on youth rather than giving them a "pressure" free chance. sterling is 1st choice and expected to produce, sometime during the season he will need a REST  i hope we can give him that

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2012, 12:22:54 pm »
Spent 140m approx in  2 years

H & G spent approx 110m in 2 years

Enough said really.

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #15 on: September 17, 2012, 12:24:23 pm »
Spent 140m approx in  2 years

H & G spent approx 110m in 2 years

Enough said really.
Or not - are you posting that as a positive or negative, it isn't really clear mate.

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #16 on: September 17, 2012, 12:37:51 pm »
Difficult to debate this topic when the footballing side is looking ok but not producing the necessary results.  Therefore, for me the scorecard is on the scoreboard on weekends. So far we live more in hope that the corner we need to turn is just around the corner.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #17 on: September 17, 2012, 12:38:01 pm »
Thanks no666.

That was an excellent read which got me thinking about the future and how we would measure if FSG are moving the club in the right direction in a year's time.

It is obviously very subjective and everyone would have their own criteria but this is what I would hope to see.

Bt Easter

1. The whole team playing the sort of attractive football which will inspire youngsters to join us.  Ideally this would mean Sahin having performed well and wanting to join us permanently.  I accept this is a lofty aim, but it is tempered by other concessions below

2. A position in the League where we are chasing a Europa League place and hopefully in a semi-final (or won the League cup  :-X )

3. Suso to have been given a genuine chance prior to Christmas and performed sufficiently well as not have made the Winter transfer window so critical.  Teh eason I chose Suso as this was the name BT mentioned when talking about opportunities for youngsters and them taking their chances.

4. The scouting and ‘technical board’ to be fully up and running, having learned from the mis calculations and misjudgements of the past (whoever at the club committed them) so as to have made the Winter transfer window a success (or at least not an embarrassing situation as witnessed at the end of the Summer transfer window).

5. A roadmap for the development of Anfield to have been published with firm milestones and dates.  This could either be a new stadium or re-development of Anfield.  I don’t mind as long as long as the decision is made so we can actually progress.

And in May

6. Three young home grown players fully integrated into the team.  Sterling, Shelvey and Suso would qualify, but not Borini or Assaidi.

7. A Chief Executive based permanently in Liverpool to have been appointed.
As an aside... I believe Ian Ayres should return to his post as Commercial Director where he was an unprecedented success and still requires alot of work.  There is an old adage that a person will be promoted until they are in a position where they are unable to do the job.  Ian Ayre is not a dreadful MD... but he is not the best... and the best if his talents are not being utilised in his current position.

8. I will accept not qualifying for Europe (including Europa League) or winning a cup if the above is achieved in the background to show the foundations are solid.  That said, a cup and qualification for the Europa League would be a far better foundation.

I haven’t gone beyond next May as right now I think it is about getting those foundations right.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #18 on: September 17, 2012, 12:41:47 pm »
They look like they are making it up as they go along. There's no coherent plan. Which is not really a surprise considering the know the square root of fcuk all about football. What is hugely disappointing is their appointments, or lack thereof.

They aspire to be no more than an Arsenal lite. They would be delighted if we somehow managed to get regular CL football. That's probably the height of their ambitions. They've shown absolutely nothing to suggest they'll get us anywhere near that. They're banking on FFP and hoping our youth system can bail them out.

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« Reply #19 on: September 17, 2012, 12:49:43 pm »
Not overly impressed by them, to be honest.

Can't see why it isn't obvious to everyone that FSG made a quick [business] decision to buy an ailing "brand" at a knock-down price, in order to turn a profit.

I've actually got no problem with that, we have no right to expect anyone to throw money at us for no return; I just wish they'd be a bit more honest about their motives.

They admit they knew nothing about football [let alone us] before buying us, and their decision making since the takeover illustrates this perfectly.

The treatment of Kenny, the transfer window fiasco, appointing Commolli, the embarrassing tweets and open letters, leaving Ayre in sole charge [is it just me, or is he actually even slimier looking than Cecil?], the X Factor style search for the new manager, DOF/No DOF/Transfer by committee, the list just goes on and on.

Didn't expect much, and they haven't disappointed. I view them as H&G Lite, but with better PR.

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« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2012, 12:50:20 pm »
FSG aren't the ones on the pitch or managing the side though.

People may argue they didn't provide money for Dempsey (so... backing the manager), but they've been reports we offered a sum of over 10m (exact amount escapes me) for a certain Daniel Sturridge. Dempsey was clearly not in Rodgers plans or we decided not to negotiate with Fulham.
You may also argue that FSG provided atleast 20m+ for transfers; which IS a lot considering we're not in CL (and havn't been for four years now), so it's not their fault that Rodgers didn't bring in an out and out striker and decided to go for the likes of Allen.

Saying that, I do rate Allen. But wouldn't it have been a smarter investment to bring somebody who can score? The problem we've been confronting as a whole in the last two seasons?

That maybe true (the importance of a goalscorer) - however it's not always a simple as saying 'we needed a goal scorer - why wasn't that his first signing' - There were a number of areas the squad required addressing, like Benitez, Rodgers recognised to play controlled possession football he needed a ball playing midfielder, that was integral to his design, he acquired Allen - for me worth far more than the reported £15m we spent.

I genuinely believe Rodgers understood the financial situaiton as it was, at the club. He's worked with far smalller clubs with far smaller budgets, so £2m quid for Brendan is not money that is easily unaccounted for. I believe he targeted players based upon the circumstances the transfer window dictated and went after players he knew he could secure quickly, hence Allen and Borini. The problems occured when the club, like other clubs waited until the last moment to try and do business in the hope they'd save money. It was clear Dempsey was a target by the comments Henry made and his website 'accidently' released. However that was weeks prior to the deadline day, so why wait to do the deal unless it was decided that was best time to approach Fulham in an attempt to get the best value bid accepted?

Understand this, Brendan does not have full autonomy on a budget, it's clear the transfer discussions are taken out of his hands. It appears Brendan shuffled his deck (Kuyt, Maxi and Carroll out) in order to provide a good financial and sporting arguement to bring in fresh attackers without adding to a wage bill considered 'too big' - the people responsible for negotiating the deals let Brendan down here.

The effect this will have on our performance this season, is not that of Brendan's fault IMO - rather that of those who were in control of the discussions at boardroom level. I just hope like those before him, Brendan is not hung out to dry for others mistakes.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2012, 12:53:14 pm »
Not overly impressed by them, to be honest.

Can't see why it isn't obvious to everyone that FSG made a quick [business] decision to buy an ailing "brand" at a knock-down price, in order to turn a profit.


I've actually got no problem with that, we have no right to expect anyone to throw money at us for no return; I just wish they'd be a bit more honest about their motives.

They admit they knew nothing about football [let alone us] before buying us, and their decision making since the takeover illustrates this perfectly.

The treatment of Kenny, the transfer window fiasco, appointing Commolli, the embarrassing tweets and open letters, leaving Ayre in sole charge [is it just me, or is he actually even slimier looking than Cecil?], the X Factor style search for the new manager, DOF/No DOF/Transfer by committee, the list just goes on and on.

Didn't expect much, and they haven't disappointed. I view them as H&G Lite, but with better PR.

Without them, we were a day or so away from playing in league 2 so I think we should be eternally grateful.

I don't know why our fans just come out and say what they are really thinking. We need a billionaire sugar daddy. The masses would just shut and cheer then and everyone would be happy. But back on plane earth, we dont have one so have to battle on.

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« Reply #22 on: September 17, 2012, 12:54:58 pm »
Excellent summary and follow-up by Red Genius.

I have no issue with FSG's intentions and with their broad aim of running a sustainable club that uses it's market appeal to invest in success. Their judgement and ability though have left a lot to be desired though.

The stadium was the big pressing strategic issue when they bought the club and remains so today. It's what they will ultimately be judged on. Yet, for now, it's not a big stick to beat them with. They have wisely not rushed into anything, but the line between reflection and procrastination is drawing near. We will need intelligence and leadership to deliver a solution to this, something which has been in very short supply so far.

For people who have admitted to knowing little about football, they have showed remarkable arrogance in trying to implement new stuctures very quickly, most of which were quickly and expensively abandoned. What they should have done was put a traditional structure in place, taken the time to develop their expertise and then gradually implement whatever new ideas and philosophies they thought could give us a competitive advantage. Instead it's been a haphazard mess of rash decisions and ineffective leadership.

Two years without a CEO is the most damning indictment of them in my opinion. I fnd it scarcely credible that in the whole world there is not a single qualified and interested candidate for the role. It should have been the first thing they did, it still should be the number one priority. I'm not holding my breath.

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2012, 12:57:02 pm »
positives:
got rid of the majority of a crippling debt.
experience in running a "sports franchise"

negatives:
no CEO with football experience, David Dein looked the perfect choice
changed plan atleast 3 times
no stadium news

what i would have likes them to do:
1. david dein appointed CEO
2. DOF/footballing committee recruited, scouts, analysts, medical etc...
3. manager who fits the profile of the club and the direction they want to go. rodgers would not have been the choice at this point.
4.  £100m spent on younger hungry players and really we could not spend it worse
5. high earners that are not playing need to be moved on, kuyt, maxi, aqua, cole etc...
6. stick to the plan
7. sort stadium out

we have been rebuilding for 4-5 years and we have not moved forward. i like that youth is getting its chance but we are relying on youth rather than giving them a "pressure" free chance. sterling is 1st choice and expected to produce, sometime during the season he will need a REST  i hope we can give him that

With regards to the above, few things I'd like to add:

Dein - I have no doubt that Dein was approached, along with the usual suspects like Barwick but that they turned us down for one reason or another. I very much doubt Ayer was give the job becuase he was their first choice.

Stadium - there has been news (check out the stadium thread) its just been painfully slow.

Rodgers - i think he does fit the profile of the club in terms of what it needed, we are a falling/failing giant and they very rarely get back on their feet by carrying on doing what they were doing previously (although Rafa would have been my first choice)

£100 million - we coul argue to death who blew it. If they didnt sanction last summers signing there would have been seen as not backing Kenny, when they did they get dragged into the blame game. What I dont want to see is us be too rigid in our transfer policy, which is what I think we did with Dempsey. Young players are always preferable, but £7-8 million on Dempsey would have been a good deal imho.

High earners are being dealt with, other then you know who ;)

As fot the youngsters, I hope we dont push them too far too soon, there is a balance in terms of games to play them in and when to rest, but theres no getting away from it, we have a paper thin squad.

Overall, id say 6/10 for FSG. The potential is there to do so much better, they just need to get their act together, be coherant in their approach and see it through.
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« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2012, 01:00:09 pm »
Looking at the FSGs performance from a purely business point of view would suggest they have done an excellent job. Taking over a business from the point of administration and then making it a healthy self-sustaining business which has gained revenues leading to only £1m shy of what we got with Champions League football is nothing short of remarkable. The wage bill has been dramatically reduced which is significant. As much as fans would love certain players for a club to be self sustainable wages to value has to be factored in. If you consider Chelsea just won the Champions League and their recently renewed deal with Samsung is way short of our deal with Standard Chartered it does say a great deal about the positives of FSG's business and commercial management.

Football, however, is not just a business it is also a sport and sporting institutions like Liverpool will not be measured solely on the strength of the balance sheet, to-date there has never been a open top bus parade for the most healthiest balance sheet. The problem with FSG is they are too reliant on so-called football specialists advising them what to do when it comes to football matters.

The process of the appointment of BR as manager is a shining example of this. There were a number of candidates and too much public information as to this fact so much so that BR chose to be out of the running initially. However, looking at where Liverpool were at that point in time, finished so low in the league needing Champions League football and needing a serious challenge for honours to boost commercial revenue the risk to reward ratio was too great in the appointment of the candidates that we being looked at.

BR is an excellent man judging by the interviews and the attitude and truly I wish and hope he goes on to be the most successful manager in our history, yet, for all his positives what Liverpool needed at this time was an experienced pair of hands. I believe that unless the appointment was coming from within the club then the criteria for a managerial appoint should have been someone who as won a league and champions league title minimum.

I think BR has excellent philosophies but the inexperience in the top flight shows some alarming similarities to AVB in terms of the speed and which he has transitioned and marginalised some players. I haver recently read Rafa's new book and even in his first year he transitioned the team slowly knowing the limitations and building upon it. There is a point within his analysis of the first champions league campaign stating that they did not have players of the correct technical ability so played the system to suit his players which was at times 4-4-2 and long ball. He transitioned slowly but surely and got the desired result. The chances of success with a proven manager with Liverpool current position is higher rather than the gamble with an up and coming manager. If BR fails it put us really far behind and as much as the name of Liverpool will attract players having the right manager in place would help attract certain players. The hiring strategy was not well thoughout and then the transfer strategy started off well but then they failed to back the up and coming manager they chose who needed all the help possible to get off to a good start and have support from his bosses.

This is not a criticise BR or indeed remove support, quite the opposite but highlighting the lack of football management from FSG. I actually believe that FSG are readying Liverpool for sale at some point sooner rather than later. I think if they found a buying willing to buy for £320m or above they would take it. At present Liverpool is a very sellable asset in that there is no debt, wage bill is within revenue and the squad is young. We shall see.

In conclusion I would give FSG 10 out of 10 on business management and 2 out of 10 on football management
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« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2012, 01:01:41 pm »
The whole thing went tits up the minute they appointed Comolli.  They had one good spending spree in them. Its now gone. For me theres no doubt that spending spree will be a five year financial prison sentence. However, they showed their metal when they got rid of him.  They recognise they made a mistake and they rectified it.

Their strategy of hiring relatively young managerial unknowns combined with buying youth and lower salaries is just wrong. Its ideological. Young, cheap and future positive financial value. The problem is, footballers are in their peaks at 28/29.  LFC should have a title winning side full of players that are playing in their peaks managed by a manager who is at the top of his game with a history of success.

Until they learn that, they will continue making mistakes.

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2012, 01:02:57 pm »
Nice effort mate but i'm afraid the same points will be debated over again. For me, as a matter of scoring on a report card, all things considered, they have done pretty badly. Frankly, it doesn't take two years to evaluate options on the stadium, when its clear building a new one wouldn't make any sense at all. Add that to the appointments of Commoli and Ayre into key positions. The nonsense of "giving" shares to Lebron James and all that. Even with Brendan Rodgers, as Juan Loco would put it, they literally lucked onto him. The disregard for loyal season ticket holders.
 Its a bit of a mess really, and the cynic side of me thinks they are trying to do up the books for an eventual sale. Not to even mention the treatment of Kenny Dalglish. That makes me sick in my stomach everytime i think of it.

Clearly this is not true. There are a lot of obstacles to be overcome regarding a new stadium/refurbished Anfield. And thats before sorting out the mess and writing off costs incurred by Hicks and Gillette.

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« Reply #27 on: September 17, 2012, 01:11:29 pm »
Clearly this is not true. There are a lot of obstacles to be overcome regarding a new stadium/refurbished Anfield. And thats before sorting out the mess and writing off costs incurred by Hicks and Gillette.

I agree it's not as simple as just saying they would like to one or the other. However transparency and conviction would provide far more credibility to everybody - all stakeholders involved.

The houses owned preventing possible redevelopment of Anfield, are partially despondant because the club has 'yo-yo'd' between decision making previously, providing no certainty. I'd argue this cloak and dagger approach, suggestions of agents working on behalf of the club to acquire properties is unneccessary. Just be forthcoming and honest, explain your desire to expand the stadium, your conviction in delivering that goal would represent a far more stable dialogue with home owners and the city than indecision. If the aim is to expand Anfield, and the owners are absolutely determined in that mindset, then i'm certain that all the barriers to delivering this could be overcome by sitting down with all respective parties and discussing the solutions. You know;

"Anfield is a derelict  community in need of regeneration, we want to expand our stadium for competitive gain and invest in the local area to help social deficit"

Simple aim, get everybody to the table and resolve the concerns, then the club can press ahead. I for one don't understand the reservation with holding cards close to their chest.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2012, 01:13:33 pm »
Thanks no666.

That was an excellent read which got me thinking about the future and how we would measure if FSG are moving the club in the right direction in a year's time.

It is obviously very subjective and everyone would have their own criteria but this is what I would hope to see.

Bt Easter

1. The whole team playing the sort of attractive football which will inspire youngsters to join us.  Ideally this would mean Sahin having performed well and wanting to join us permanently.  I accept this is a lofty aim, but it is tempered by other concessions below

2. A position in the League where we are chasing a Europa League place and hopefully in a semi-final (or won the League cup  :-X )

3. Suso to have been given a genuine chance prior to Christmas and performed sufficiently well as not have made the Winter transfer window so critical.  Teh eason I chose Suso as this was the name BT mentioned when talking about opportunities for youngsters and them taking their chances.

4. The scouting and ‘technical board’ to be fully up and running, having learned from the mis calculations and misjudgements of the past (whoever at the club committed them) so as to have made the Winter transfer window a success (or at least not an embarrassing situation as witnessed at the end of the Summer transfer window).

5. A roadmap for the development of Anfield to have been published with firm milestones and dates.  This could either be a new stadium or re-development of Anfield.  I don’t mind as long as long as the decision is made so we can actually progress.

And in May

6. Three young home grown players fully integrated into the team.  Sterling, Shelvey and Suso would qualify, but not Borini or Assaidi.

7. A Chief Executive based permanently in Liverpool to have been appointed.
As an aside... I believe Ian Ayres should return to his post as Commercial Director where he was an unprecedented success and still requires alot of work.  There is an old adage that a person will be promoted until they are in a position where they are unable to do the job.  Ian Ayre is not a dreadful MD... but he is not the best... and the best if his talents are not being utilised in his current position.

8. I will accept not qualifying for Europe (including Europa League) or winning a cup if the above is achieved in the background to show the foundations are solid.  That said, a cup and qualification for the Europa League would be a far better foundation.

I haven’t gone beyond next May as right now I think it is about getting those foundations right.

Obviously not qualifying for Europe or gaining any silverware this season are distinct possibilities, so I wouldn't be so sure how solid our foundations would be at that point, even with all the other pieces of the puzzle in place. The fact is if we finish in 7th for example, I'd be very worried about the status of our remaining "big" players, ie; Skrtel, Suarez, Agger, Reina. Added to that our ability to attract quality replacements in light of the possible departure of these players. This past transfer window showed how difficult it is to get quality, and that's with Europa league and a league cup in the cupboard
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2012, 01:14:47 pm »
Good read, and I am sure there are more points that can be brought up in assessing FSG's progress and implementation of their plans

the areas that i still have most concern about are touched on in that there is still no real presence here, and the point regarding the commercial operations is significant.....the determination (and responsible policy at that) of not agreeing to deficit spending is fine IF revenues are increased, otherwise it is merely a handicap that other clubs are not inflicting on themselves....so the stadium decision, the building of our comercial department and the strong leadership required to make quick and informed decisions are the areas I believe fsg need to improve

and yes, ultimately the outcome on the football pitch will determne how they are viewed, and so far they do not appear to have covered themselves in glory.....they may have a lot to learn with regard to how football works, but passing the buck is not one of them...their lack of presence and inability to make decisions consistent with their stated and implied philosophies have resulted in the club's position (on the pitch) worsening rather than improving.....and be honest, how many thought when h&g were forced out and debt removed from the club thought that that would be the case?

i have no doubt they will stick with rodgers - and they should - and implement a more consistent version of their plan, and over time our consistency at the top should provide a basis for improved performance throughout the club....only time will tell whether that is enough to restore our competitiveness however, and whether there is enough in the business plan to compete with clubs who are much more willing to "invest/gamble" in the transfer market
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« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2012, 01:14:54 pm »
In modern football, there is no such thing as the Perfect Owner(s). Football has become a multi-billion pound business and has attracted the oil sheikhs, leechers, Russian playboy, rich wannabes, etc.. FSG's biggest mistake was to appoint Damien Comolli and he basically screwed up the club's finances by over-paying for under-delivering players. FSG has to share that blame too since they were the ones who appointed men to run the club. If they picked the wrong men, the buck stops with them.

I'm hoping that they will learn from that mistake and do what needs to be done -
1) Getting the commercial model right
2) Solve the stadium issue
3) Back up the manager or at least give him the chance to see what can be done even on "meagre" transfer kitty

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2012, 01:19:09 pm »
Spent 140m approx in  2 years

H & G RBS spent approx 110m in 2 years

Enough said really.

Corrected - and that makes a huge difference.

FSG of course also havent benefitted from numberous runs to the latter stages of the CL
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« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2012, 01:19:41 pm »
Clearly this is not true. There are a lot of obstacles to be overcome regarding a new stadium/refurbished Anfield. And thats before sorting out the mess and writing off costs incurred by Hicks and Gillette.

Whilst there are considerations to be made, they are around whether it is feasible to build a stadium or develop anfield and which will be the most profitable for the club and how risky that option is......other than that, the planning permissions are in place still, so the obstacles relate only to developing anfield....as for "the mess left by h&g" and writing off costs, they are in the same position as h&g were when they arrived but with a clearer idea of steel prices (i.e. no excuses), all costs and decisions made by h&g have gone and have NO impact on what we do (the wrte-off is merely an accounting treatment, that cash was already spent and not part of the club acquired, their due diligence would (should) have identified that quite clearly
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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2012, 01:51:14 pm »
Clearly this is not true. There are a lot of obstacles to be overcome regarding a new stadium/refurbished Anfield. And thats before sorting out the mess and writing off costs incurred by Hicks and Gillette.

i'm afraid its absolutely true. They've said as much in some recent statements regarding the stadium issue, in which they say the incremental benefit from 44000 seater to 60000 is not worth building a brand new stadium. That make sense from a financial point of view. So we are left with redeveloping. Then, decide on it. The "how" part can come later.

And i'm also afraid their dilly dallying in this particular issue is also reflected in the football side of decisions.

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« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2012, 01:56:50 pm »
Obviously not qualifying for Europe or gaining any silverware this season are distinct possibilities, so I wouldn't be so sure how solid our foundations would be at that point, even with all the other pieces of the puzzle in place. The fact is if we finish in 7th for example, I'd be very worried about the status of our remaining "big" players, ie; Skrtel, Suarez, Agger, Reina. Added to that our ability to attract quality replacements in light of the possible departure of these players. This past transfer window showed how difficult it is to get quality, and that's with Europa league and a league cup in the cupboard

I understand the concern and share it to a point.

Given that both Suarez and Skirtl has just signed new extensions and Agger has made it clear he wants to stay.  Pepe has been through worse here and has stayed.
So I think the existing players will all appreciate that this is a transition season and if they see the foundations being laid for future success they would prefer that to a Europa League place.

There is no doubt that attracting new players will be a bigger issue.  However, the Europa League or League Cup would never attract the best.  I think the best bet is to attract young talent which can be mixed with the older wiser heads.  This will then hopefull get us into a better position to attract those quality players.

I just think this would be the best way forward based on our current position and what FSG have said.

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« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2012, 02:06:19 pm »
I understand the concern and share it to a point.

Given that both Suarez and Skirtl has just signed new extensions and Agger has made it clear he wants to stay.  Pepe has been through worse here and has stayed.
So I think the existing players will all appreciate that this is a transition season and if they see the foundations being laid for future success they would prefer that to a Europa League place.

There is no doubt that attracting new players will be a bigger issue.  However, the Europa League or League Cup would never attract the best.  I think the best bet is to attract young talent which can be mixed with the older wiser heads.  This will then hopefull get us into a better position to attract those quality players.

I just think this would be the best way forward based on our current position and what FSG have said.

I agree that bringing in young/unproven players is our most likely road back, which is why I'd put a proper transfer scouting/negotiating setup at the very top of the list, besides the deadline day fiasco, I had a sinking feeling all summer that we were being mugged in the transfer market by all around us, it just seemed as though every other club was more effective at identifying and tying up their targets, to our own detriment
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2012, 02:09:54 pm »
It Seems the Chinese bid offered to build the stadium in exchange for part ownership of the club similar to Inter Milan (15%??)

Yep - the Chinese were interested in gaining equity in LFC and constructing a new stadium.

On the subject of Ian Ayre, OldRed - a] Hogan is now Commercial Director b] Rumour is the Standard Chartered deal and the Warrior deal pretty much fell into our laps, so I'm unsure just how brilliant he is. It's a conundrum, ain't it?

Someone asked more about the incoming scouts. I've been told another from Man City, who left there only a couple of weeks ago, has also been placed on gardening leave. Rodgers appears to know another of the new scouts, which helps. That's about all I know. I'm not remotely ITK myself; all this is courtesy of a very helpful source.

Another very helpful source is trying to find out more about The Telegraph's story about an ex-manager or player taking a 'Figurehead' role.

I felt quite positive about the technical committee as I learned these bits and pieces. But - big but - a lot is going to depend on how it works in practice. If Rodgers is going to continue a conservative policy on transfers (by which I mean, rejecting suggestions and sticking with what he knows) it's going to cause rifts. We can't afford rifts. On the other hand, he may just want everyone to be in place before he starts picking and choosing from the plethora of young, affordable, undiscovered talent offered to him.   :)

I hope FSG are better able to spot catastrophes before they happen and act fast because going through the cuts and finding those Comolli quotes on Roy just boggled the bits that get boggled. He was talking about finding players to fit Roy's 4-4-2, ffs! Was he scouring the globe looking for a second Konchesky?

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2012, 02:10:17 pm »
It's a good piece so I'll avoid just going down the could do better road but I think we'll know a lot more about them in a years time.

Postives
No acquisition debt
Reduced wage bill
No Roy Hodgson

Negatives
No new stadium or plan to redevelop Anfield
Doubts over their ability to back the manager in the transfer market
Inability to appoint a dynamic CEO

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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2012, 02:16:19 pm »
Nice effort mate but i'm afraid the same points will be debated over again. For me, as a matter of scoring on a report card, all things considered, they have done pretty badly. Frankly, it doesn't take two years to evaluate options on the stadium, when its clear building a new one wouldn't make any sense at all. Add that to the appointments of Commoli and Ayre into key positions. The nonsense of "giving" shares to Lebron James and all that. Even with Brendan Rodgers, as Juan Loco would put it, they literally lucked onto him. The disregard for loyal season ticket holders.
 Its a bit of a mess really, and the cynic side of me thinks they are trying to do up the books for an eventual sale. Not to even mention the treatment of Kenny Dalglish. That makes me sick in my stomach everytime i think of it.

At the risk of being called overwhelmingly negative again, I agree with you.
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Re: Two years of FSG - the report card
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2012, 02:17:08 pm »
Yep - the Chinese were interested in gaining equity in LFC and constructing a new stadium.


Ah, I've been away and missed that completely. Thank you.

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