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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #120 on: August 18, 2012, 09:47:56 PM »
I've been saying this all year. Suarez is not a striker, he's a trequartista/forward. The sooner rodgers realises that the better. If he plays out wide, im sure he will create loads of chances as he ll e to pass, as he did numerous times last season, one of them being for stevie vs everton. Him and assaidi's speed and dribbling would terrorise defences and allow borini/gerrard to finish off chances with the space they create

Gerrard isn't a striker either.  Where Suarez should be playing is in Gerrard's position.  Where we move Gerrard to, I don't know.

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« Reply #121 on: August 18, 2012, 09:49:45 PM »
Gerrard isn't a striker either.  Where Suarez should be playing is in Gerrard's position.  Where we move Gerrard to, I don't know.

4-4-2 with Gerrard on the right is the answer. Carroll and Suarez up front. Never going to happen though.
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« Reply #122 on: August 18, 2012, 09:50:17 PM »
Gerrard isn't a striker either.  Where Suarez should be playing is in Gerrard's position.  Where we move Gerrard to, I don't know.

Move Gerrard to the bench. People have started to realise it but until someone has the balls to do it, we won't move forward.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #123 on: August 18, 2012, 09:50:35 PM »
We can only hope Borini comes good or we're back to same problem of lacking a quality striker of the Torres/Falcao/Huntelaar/Cavani mould. You get what you pay for.
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« Reply #124 on: August 18, 2012, 09:51:06 PM »
Hence why i said he's a trequartista. If you want to accomodate both, gerrard playing behind borini and his runs from deep  would be just what we need. Currently' gerrard is our most accomplished finisher imo.
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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #125 on: August 18, 2012, 09:51:23 PM »
4-4-2 with Gerrard on the right is the answer. Carroll and Suarez up front. Never going to happen though.

We're not going to play 4-4-2 so pointless thinking or talking about it.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #126 on: August 18, 2012, 09:53:17 PM »
Move Gerrard to the bench. People have started to realise it but until someone has the balls to do it, we won't move forward.

 sorry that's bollocks, he is still our best midfielder by a long sausage roll

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #127 on: August 18, 2012, 09:58:05 PM »
sorry that's bollocks, he is still our best midfielder by a long sausage roll

For the style Rodgers wants to play, he really isn't. He is past his best. We need to find a way to get the best out of suarez and the team as a whole.

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« Reply #128 on: August 18, 2012, 09:59:12 PM »
We're not going to play 4-4-2 so pointless thinking or talking about it.

Hence why I said never going to happen. But if we have any aspirations of getting the best from our players, then I strongly believe that Carroll and Suarez should be playing up front and Gerrard should be playing in a free role on the right, where he can fire in crosses for Carroll to attack, and through balls for Suarez. I'll never forget that one season when Rafa played Gerrard on the right - he was absolutely dynamite.
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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #129 on: August 18, 2012, 10:00:05 PM »
I'd like to see us try Borini central and Suarez wide.

Actually I'd really like Rodgers to buy / loan a proven clinical striker really.

I'd rather Suarez upfront than Carroll though.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #130 on: August 18, 2012, 10:18:12 PM »
4-4-2 with Gerrard on the right is the answer. Carroll and Suarez up front. Never going to happen though.

442 is the answer to our one day old formation problem?

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #131 on: August 18, 2012, 10:19:28 PM »
442 is the answer to our one day old formation problem?

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #132 on: August 18, 2012, 10:24:24 PM »

This is a good thread. We need, dare I say it Gary fucking Lineker. looking for the next Torres or Fowler is a hard ask. But we would be a completely different team with a poacher who just lurked.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #133 on: August 18, 2012, 10:30:43 PM »
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'This is all I want': Luis Suarez says his career dream is winning the title with Liverpool

In a revealing interview, the striker says how he used to dream about representing the club while playing on the Playstation as a youngster

There is a widely held belief outside Liverpool that Luis Suarez epitomises everything that’s wrong with football.

When the Uruguay striker ­arrived at Anfield from Ajax 18 months ago, his reputation as an enemy of the game preceded him.

Here was a man who would do anything to give himself an edge on the pitch – including once biting PSV Eindhoven’s Otman Bakkal.

Since being christened the ­‘Cannibal of Ajax’, the 25-year-old has continued to polarise ­opinion.

His guts and goals have made him a hero of the Kop; his ugly race-row with Patrice Evra made him Public Enemy No.1.

At the 2010 World Cup in South Africa, the deliberate handball that kept out Dominic Adiyiah’s ­goal -bound header and helped send Uruguay through to the ­semi-finals at the expense of Ghana, ensured he was worshipped at home... and vilified everywhere else.

So it will surprise many that ­behind those gunslinger eyes lies a sensitive soul.

In a revealing interview, Suarez insists he’s nothing more complicated than a loving husband and proud father.

When Kenny Dalglish paid £22.8million for him in January 2011, Suarez briefly feared he would be overwhelmed by the ­famous names in the Anfield ­dressing room.

“If you ask me now what am I dreaming of for the rest of my ­career, I would tell you it is a championship with ­Liverpool,” said Suarez.

“That is all I want – and usually I get what I want. I have a lot of self-confidence about this now, but before I joined Liverpool... I can admit this now: I was nervous.

“I feared I would be surrounded by superstars in the dressing room.

“Big-time Charlies. But I soon found out they are all really nice, down-to-earth guys.”

Suarez added: “Now I am so happy in Liverpool. As a young boy I would dream about playing for a club like this.

“Even when I first bought a ­Playstation, I used to play a football game and I always picked ­Liverpool as my club. So I find it amazing that I now wear the shirt here. I am playing for one of the biggest clubs in the world. Everyone in South America knows that. My career is going fantastic.

“But I could not have done any of this without my wife.”

Suarez is married to childhood sweetheart Sofia, and is father to two-year-old Delfina.

It is when he speaks about his family that the barriers really come down.

“I can’t live without Sofia,” said Suarez. “From the first ­moment I thought she was beautiful and nice.

“When I am off, I don’t go out on the town with the other players until four in the morning. I don’t like that.

“When I come home from a match or training in a bad mood, I forget everything when I see my wife and my daughter.”

Suarez added: “When I was little, I did not even have money for ­football boots. My family barely had enough money for food, so I try not to spoil Delfina with material things.

“But in Uruguay people see me as some mega-rich footballer. Kids talk to me, saying ‘hey, you’re the multi-millionaire’.

“I find that awkward. It is true I have a super contract now, but I try to live a normal life. I know the value of money ­because of the way I have been brought up.”

But controversy and Suarez are not distant partners for long.

Both Juventus and AC Milan wanted to give him a fresh start in Italy this summer when the fall-out from his eight-game ban for abusing Evra refused to ­recede.

Instead, Suarez signed a new four-year Liverpool contract.

“Listen, when I make a big ­mistake, I accept any ­punishment and all the criticism,” he said.

“The biting incident was a ­massive mistake. When I bit Bakkal, I knew I was wrong.

“So I apologised to Bakkal and to my team.

“But I see fouls in ­England which are far worse – and the sanctions are not as big.

“I never kicked ­somebody’s leg to pieces, you know.

“But even when I know I’ve been wrong, I can’t read or hear the stuff they say about me because I get so upset.”

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #134 on: August 18, 2012, 10:33:08 PM »
Suarez is both magical and infuriating to watch.  What he can do when the door is apparently closed and locked up tight is amazing.  Unfortunately, when he breaks it down he tends to choose the worst final option.  Sometimes a sideways pass is better than shooting after tiring yourself out beating 4 players.  If the coaches could unlock that final ball from Suarez, he'd be beyond immense.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #135 on: August 18, 2012, 10:39:59 PM »
This guy scored 80 goals in 103 apps for Ajax, its ridiculous to say that he ain't no striker. But its a fuckin mystery how this guy seems unable to score whenever he wears our red shirt.
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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #136 on: August 18, 2012, 10:54:36 PM »
I think he can score 30 a season but he needs better support...most of his chances are after his beat 2,3,4 players.

We don't creat enough clear cut chances most chances are half chances

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« Reply #137 on: August 18, 2012, 11:22:26 PM »
This guy scored 80 goals in 103 apps for Ajax, its ridiculous to say that he ain't no striker. But its a fuckin mystery how this guy seems unable to score whenever he wears our red shirt.

Kezmen scored shit loads in the Dutch leage but couldn't score in the PL
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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #138 on: August 18, 2012, 11:30:40 PM »
Isn't that why we bought Borini?

you say that but 10 goals in Seria A for £10mil, that Michu guy got 15 goals and he cost £3mil, Cisse got 20+ etc, 10 goals last season isnt what i would call a player to score 20 goals in the prem,

I would go for Adebuyor or Berbatov heck any player in any top league (Ligue 1, Bundes, La Liga, Seria A, League de Portgal) who got 20+ goals last season

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #139 on: August 18, 2012, 11:31:29 PM »
you say that but 10 goals in Seria A for £10mil, that Michu guy got 15 goals and he cost £3mil, Cisse got 20+ etc, 10 goals last season isnt what i would call a player to score 20 goals in the prem,

I would go for Adebuyor or Berbatov heck any player in any top league (Ligue 1, Bundes, La Liga, Seria A, League de Portgal) who got 20+ goals last season

Messi, Cristiano or Rush would be nice shouts too.
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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #140 on: August 18, 2012, 11:33:36 PM »
This guy scored 80 goals in 103 apps for Ajax, its ridiculous to say that he ain't no striker. But its a fuckin mystery how this guy seems unable to score whenever he wears our red shirt.

Wernt his best days when he played out wide with Huntelaar in the middle? or for Uraguey with Forlan/Cavani

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #141 on: August 18, 2012, 11:38:26 PM »
This guy scored 80 goals in 103 apps for Ajax, its ridiculous to say that he ain't no striker. But its a fuckin mystery how this guy seems unable to score whenever he wears our red shirt.
Kezmen scored shit loads in the Dutch leage but couldn't score in the PL

Kuyt was also a lot more prolific in Holland

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« Reply #142 on: August 18, 2012, 11:41:39 PM »
Luis is a better finisher when he has time to pick his spot. He's been able to do that with Ajax and Uruguay as the likes of Huntelaar, Cavani and Forlan are just as dangerous as Luis and receive just as much attention from opposition defenders.

Back in Holland and for Uruguay Luis tended to drift all around the final third, especially the left side, in the same way he does here, the difference here is that he doesn't have a solid, clever and mobile striker to make the runs, occupy defenders and open up space for him to exploit.

I don't think we'll see the best of Luis until we make it so that Luis is no longer seen as our main/only goal scoring threat. We need to sign a top striker to play up top is, I guess, the gist of what I'm trying to say.
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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #143 on: August 18, 2012, 11:52:24 PM »
Kuyt was also a lot more prolific in Holland

He was also a striker there no? He was moved wide here.

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« Reply #144 on: August 18, 2012, 11:54:24 PM »
Messi, Cristiano or Rush would be nice shouts too.

No need to take the mick

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« Reply #145 on: August 19, 2012, 12:04:06 AM »
He was also a striker there no? He was moved wide here.


Only because it was clear he wasn't a good enough striker for Liverpool

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« Reply #146 on: August 19, 2012, 12:06:11 AM »
As for Suarez, he is frustrating in a way like Luis Garcia was. Luis would score insane goals or do some insanely skillful tricks, but then couldn't pass the ball or control a ball. You'd think it's such a simple thing, but he'd mess it up.

Obviously Suarez is better than Garcia, but the similarity is there in terms of being frustrating. He needs to be in the support cast who passes more than tries to finish. This necessitates another striker. A proper striker. And no, Borini isn't one, he is a hardworking workhorse a la Kuyt.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #147 on: August 19, 2012, 12:12:04 AM »
He is a creator and a poacher. He scored a lot of goals for Ajax from rebounds or when passes/crosses missed their initial target and he was on hand to poke home. It's why we really need a better striker to partner him and be the main point of attack and have Suarez around to mop up.
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« Reply #148 on: August 19, 2012, 12:17:58 AM »
People talking about we have no money, I'm not quite sure were that has come from like? For sure, we need another striker. A proven goalscorer, Suarez isn't that player - we all know what he can do but hes not a great finisher. We need someone like Torres who, when he got the ball in and around the box we knew he'd do the business.

Finding that player now, in our position is hard but surely if we can see it, Brendan can see it and surely the owners have to go into their own pocket?

This is all assuming Carroll is leaving, he will become a good player. No doubt but he isn't a finisher.

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« Reply #149 on: August 19, 2012, 12:18:54 AM »
Its not really about having a better striker near him, RVP was the lone striker for Arsenal last season and apart from Walcott their only goal threat and he still manages to be prolific. I've come to terms that Suarez simply isn't a world class finisher, its nothing to do with the players around him, he isn't a number 9 and needs to be played on the right or left of a front 3.

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« Reply #150 on: August 19, 2012, 12:33:05 AM »
442 is the answer to our one day old formation problem?

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« Reply #151 on: August 19, 2012, 12:40:45 AM »
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« Reply #152 on: August 19, 2012, 12:42:11 AM »
Luis is a better finisher when he has time to pick his spot. He's been able to do that with Ajax and Uruguay as the likes of Huntelaar, Cavani and Forlan are just as dangerous as Luis and receive just as much attention from opposition defenders.

Back in Holland and for Uruguay Luis tended to drift all around the final third, especially the left side, in the same way he does here, the difference here is that he doesn't have a solid, clever and mobile striker to make the runs, occupy defenders and open up space for him to exploit.

I don't think we'll see the best of Luis until we make it so that Luis is no longer seen as our main/only goal scoring threat. We need to sign a top striker to play up top is, I guess, the gist of what I'm trying to say.








Agreed. I get the feeling that if he was playing out wide and wasn't expected to be our main goalscorer he might loosen up a bit and hit the target more often. If that makes any sense.

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« Reply #153 on: August 19, 2012, 12:46:46 AM »
As Cpt Reina has said, move him out on the right, where he can do the type of mazy cut-ins, he enjoys doing that consequently will probably produce more space for players coming into the box.

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« Reply #154 on: August 19, 2012, 07:08:57 AM »
I've long thought that he shouldn't be the main striker in the team and that thought was only cemented last night.  Move him wide.  Right side or left side.  Just move him out wide. 
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« Reply #155 on: August 19, 2012, 08:25:41 AM »
On-paper position isn't everything though.

When we play well, starting Suarez in the middle effectively makes him a sort of false 9, drifting into space on the flanks and vacating the centre. Or being released into the sides of the box by the no 10/Gerrard or one of the wingers, where he can then cut inside, do tricks on the byline etc. The crucial thing is to have others filling the gap he vacates. Against Gomel at home, for example, this worked very well. And perhaps the best example was the Kuyt-hattrick-match against the Unmentionables in Kenny's first half season. I think this is where Borini can be very effective, Dempsey (if we get him) too, and Gerrard as well. Maybe Downing could even (re)learn to arrive late at the back stick.

When we don't play well, it's often a matter of Suarez getting the ball into feet 10 yards outside the box. Best case, he beast 5 men and scuffs the shot because he's out of balance or over-excited. Or we produce a lot of crosses for Luis in the box, where he effectively works as a poacher, which isn't his game. Yesterday we were in this category, which is why few of our chances were high-quality.

I agree that we need Suarez in wide areas more than in the box, but I'm not sure moving him there on the team sheet would make the difference we're hoping. For one thing, we'd lose his ability to move to either side by playing him on the wing.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #156 on: August 19, 2012, 08:33:43 AM »
Suarez can't finish his dinner but my god he cooks a fine meal.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #157 on: August 19, 2012, 08:59:18 AM »
I've been saying this for a while, he's a cracking player, but he is atrocious in front of goal.  I never understood why he has been played as a lone-striker - he is simply not good enough in that role.  That is not to say he is a bad player, obviously, just that if you put Reina as a number nine, he'd be terrible.  Suarez needs to play behind a striker, supplying him with chances and with the pressure off, maybe he'd score a few more himself too.  If he had a shot-goal ratio of 20%, Suarez would be up there with the best players in the world, level with Messi & Ronaldo.  Maybe as he matures, this will come - I hope and expect that it will. It is quite shocking really, given that to do the tricks and have his close control, I'd expect you'd need composure but this evaporates when he has the goal in his sights.  I am not a psychologist, but maybe it is the pressure of leading the line on his own that means he wants to score to much and is tense and snatches at shots... I don't know.  What I do know is that we have got two weeks to buy a goal-scorer.
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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #158 on: August 19, 2012, 09:00:00 AM »
Suarez can't finish his dinner but my god he cooks a fine meal.

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Re: Suarez as a No. 9?
« Reply #159 on: August 19, 2012, 10:33:45 AM »
Maybe he's just nt as good as we want to believe?