Topic: General LFC Transfer related bollocks talk in here

[AisoD]

Because he has no experience in this? Just as Agger is one of the best full backs in the league and it doesnīt make any sense to replace him if you wanna come anywhere near to top 4 again considering the difference in clean sheets with our without him last season?

There is not ONE sane football argument for this deal, not one.

I'm growing an almost "Purslow" like hatred for Ayre but it's bollocks he has no experience of negotiating. He's the one who got us the Warrior and SC deals.

But agree with your general point. Anyone who thinks selling Agger is a good deal is seriously deluding themselves and inadvertently playing a part in pushing the self destruction button.

[scott]

What did that tweet say from that Saric?

[charlieadam]

I hope Agger knocks back any City approach, why the fuck would he want to be "cover" for their existing cb's

Agger doesnt want to go, hes being offloaded, simple as that. Its a disgrace, a fucking disgrace.

[scatman]

Are you saying that Ayre is imposing the sale of Agger over Rodgers? Because if you are that is a tad ridiculous.

hardly, it happened in january 2011

[scared_person]

If I was fsg I would not throw cash at players this window after the disaster of kenny and comolis signings a year ago

In that case your football club would move backwards!

[Lemieux]

People are getting far too worked up over this -potential- deal.  I understand Agger is quality, but get a grip ffs.  From what we saw in that preseason game I don't see a ball playing CB that likes to get forward a lot being a big priority.  The CBs are probably the only players that stay back 100%.  Anyway, Agger is a brilliant player but maybe Rodgers sees him as a luxury in his setup.  It is going to be okay, it really is.  Plus it was asking a lot to challenge for fourth with or without Agger.  I'm not too bothered really either way.

[Mad Max]

It would be madness to sell Agger.

[charlieadam]

Wasn't the Man U fan once on SSN basically saying he wanted the bidding to go higher, as he thought it was worth more? So basically a G/H hired mercenary or something probably.

The Chinese bloke was at London court for a corruption scandal once, too.

Rebuild other parts of the team, by selling Agger, weakens another part of the team, these tight twats need to put their hands in their pockets, they dont know what they're doing and they are going to fuck it all up.

[The G in Gerrard]

Im not one for divulging things publicly.. I spoke to oddball...

Ok.

Oddball did suggest earlier that Agger wouldn't go to a English club.

[scatman]

Wasn't the Man U fan once on SSN basically saying he wanted the bidding to go higher, as he thought it was worth more? So basically a G/H hired mercenary or something probably.

The Chinese bloke was at London court for a corruption scandal once, too.

the chinese bloke was dodgy and still is, but his backers were not and had the money. at the time it was the right decision based on what they knew not to sell to him.

But it doesnt mean FSG were the only ones who wanted to buy us

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

In that case your football club would move backwards!

We moved backwards signing expensive players last summer

[Veinticinco de Mayo]

I would also VDM if it wasnt for seeing our defence without him,
 they would either need Coates to have the season of his life or some good cheaper option already lined up, or maybe Kelly or Wilson no offence to Carra but he isnt up to it in my opinion! So this to me will weaken the team right now no matter who it will help pay for! I cannot see Rogers wanting a fragile defence in his first season for us.

Agree with that Geoff. So I only see the manager selling him if he thinks he has a replacement lined up, either internal or external. But we're into the realms of guessing games and reading BR's mind now. And all that's only in the event that this story has some legs and is not just another nonsense twitter rumour. 

as Elvis almost said..  Too much speculation. Fuck me we've got people slitting their wrists in here on the back of one hastily deleted tweet.

[hitman89762000]

Are you saying that Ayre is imposing the sale of Agger over Rodgers? Because if you are that is a tad ridiculous.

Its complete bollocks

[AisoD]

Yep.  The key is just that we need to have faith that Rodgers can get it right in the transfer market, unlike Hodgson or Kenny/Comolli.

Faith? what has Rodgers done to earn that? he would have been better of by making little changes to begin with before making such wholesome changes. We never ever learn.

[steveeastend]

Agger is part of the solution, not the problem.

Just as it was the case with a lot of top players been shipped out before which we replaced with players all coming mostly from the same agent. But probably this is just a strange coincidence..

[The G in Gerrard]

Agger doesnt want to go, hes being offloaded, simple as that. Its a disgrace, a fucking disgrace.

He could still say no to City though

[scott]

Agger - City left the table after the 2nd bid... Ayre went to meet them today and discuss what fee we wanted. (as I said earlier today in the Agger thread)

Carroll - west ham out of the deal, I think Newcastle are being very clever and waiting until the last minute to try and sign him for a cut price deal because they know they're the only team left that are interested.

[Bob Loblaw]

It just doesn't make any sense Rodgers coming in assessing the squad and coming to the conclusion Agger is surplus to requirements, in fact it would be just as worrying if that was the case.

I'm worried the owners have looked at his injury record and pulled rank on this one by offering him to other clubs, with the hapless Ayre leading the charge.

I think Rodgers would kick off if a player was being sold over his head. So It'll be his call completely imo. It makes no sense for FSG to pull rank really, as the money will absolutely have to be reinvested, they won't get away with pocketing the cash, which i don't believe they are here for anyway.

It'll be a compromise. If say for example we have a Ģ20m net spend. Once that Ģ20m is gone(Allen and Borini), we have to sell to buy, Rodgers takes a look at the squad and decides he still needs players, so we must sell. We try to sell Carroll, our most saleable asset that would have the least impact on the playing squad. But we have no takers. So we move on to our next most saleable asset, which Agger fits given his injury record with us.

About as rational an explanation i can muster anyway.

What i don't get though is, surely we could find a buyer for Adam, Spearing and Downing at least. Three players that we wouldn't miss one bit. We'd take a hit on Adam and Downing sure but better than having to sell a player as important to us as Agger is.

[ShibbyLFC]

Faith? what has Rodgers done to earn that?

What has he done to earn distrust?

[charlieadam]

People are getting far too worked up over this -potential- deal.  I understand Agger is quality, but get a grip ffs.  From what we saw in that preseason game I don't see a ball playing CB that likes to get forward a lot being a big priority.  The CBs are probably the only players that stay back 100%.  Anyway, Agger is a brilliant player but maybe Rodgers sees him as a luxury in his setup.  It is going to be okay, it really is.  Plus it was asking a lot to challenge for fourth with or without Agger.  I'm not too bothered really either way.

Lts face it Coates is good but hes no Agger.. Agger is world class, thats why City and Barca want him. To sell him is complete stupidity.

[lorenzo23]

Poor Rodgers has it all to do after bug bad fsg stopped giving him funds now he has do car boot sale?  Really don't believe it if he does sell Agger and it goes wrong he will live by these decision and no talking up Liverpool fans and how he die for us will save him. He came into the club the big shot that he wants full control now he been backed into a corner by the owners that he has to sell before buy??  I going wait till end of transfer window to judge Rodgers but either he taking us for ride with all this media talk or massive lair, Quotes in daily express before the tour to usa where he speaks off giving Agger new contract also while speaking so highly of the lad and saying can't wait to work with him.

There was one thing he said to us in his first interview about being truthful so unless AGGER pushes for this move, which he said at Euros he would sign new contract and is happy, his agent come out few days ago and said same thing then for me. Rodgers would not only have sold one best players but also started being wrong man for job by lying to the fans already. Guess we see how this pans out but at the moment it don't look great for Rogders he already looks stupid in Andy situation hinting at loaning then coming out and saying we not loaning him. Seems to me he needs to do far less talking to media and more focus on rebuilding the club and getting new contracts and players(that maybe are not just from Swansea would help)

[Always_A_Red]

If I was fsg I would not throw cash at players this window after the disaster of kenny and comolis signings a year ago

It was their fault they hired such a incompetent idiot to 'negotiate' the signings. Their mistake, they recify it and we move on. We shoud not have to suffer or hold back because of their mistakes last year.

[Melbred]

Faith? what has Rodgers done to earn that? he would have been better of by making little changes to begin with before making such wholesome changes. We never ever learn.

Has anything happened yet? For fucks sake, the manager hasn't managed 2 games yet and the whoppers are already writing him off.

[scared_person]

We moved backwards signing expensive players last summer

Seriously? Thats like saying because one girl knocks you back you're never going to chat up any girls again.

We spent poorly last summer. That is a fact, but it doesn't follow that spending money on footballers is not a good way for a football club to improve.

How would you get us back to the top then, if you're not going to spend money buying players?

[robbie keane]

What did that tweet say from that Saric?

It was in Danish but something along the lines of "The leader does not want me"

[Bonaqua]

Haha. Don't mistake stupid decisions for tough decisions.

Every player has a price. Why the fuck can't we earn that price on the football pitch? Get back in the CL and we can only do by having quality players and keeping them and we'll get Agger's Ģ20m back within a few games. Makes me furious to see Liverpool fans justifying this blatant asset stripping.

Asset stripping or running the club in a sustainable manner?

[Aido LFC]

So are these Adam Johnson being part of the deal rumors a load of poo poo?

[TheTeflonJohn]

I would have liked Vertonghen


Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa perhaps?

Try and sing that name when your pissed.

Fuck that

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

It was their fault they hired such a incompetent idiot to 'negotiate' the signings. Their mistake, they recify it and we move on. We shoud not have to suffer or hold back because of their mistakes last year.

We are held back because we wasted cash. It was not just commoli who signed these players.

[iamrobk]

Has anything happened yet? For fucks sake, the manager hasn't managed 2 games yet and the whoppers are already writing him off.

And I thought Liverpool fans backed the manager...

[Bakez0151]

It's all very well saying we need to strengthen other areas but we'd need to strengthen CB if we sell Agger.

[peachybum]

Agger doesnt want to go, hes being offloaded, simple as that. Its a disgrace, a fucking disgrace.

A club willing to sell a footballer is a disgrace?

[Gnurglan]

Is that true though? everyone is quick to write of players after one season. Whose to say under Kenny they may have grown this year? We'll never know.

True, we don't know. But I don't think everyone will come good. If we are to progress, we need to stop being generous and we can't have sympathy with everyone. I'd say that anyone who isn't a guaranteed starter should be up for consideration.

My main concern is that we just sell where it requires no work.

[naka]

Watched St John and fair lough talk show, it's strange but brendan ' s honeymoon period seems to be over.
The guys couldn't see why we needed another midfielder who they didn't think could find a pass,
Were annoyed at handling of Carroll and agger,
Were worried about departures

Fans ringing in seemed worried.

Agger leaving could cause a lot of dissension.

[charlieadam]

Faith? what has Rodgers done to earn that? he would have been better of by making little changes to begin with before making such wholesome changes. We never ever learn.

An unproven manager coming into a club as huge as this, imediately selling big, big players, Maxi, Kuyt, Agger... I dont reckon its him. Especially with regards to Agger, This deal is all about making a quick buck from the club to go in JWH's bank account. Half of what Agger goes for will be swiped. Just wait and see, Ashley did it with Carroll. These two will do it with Agger. The numbers wont add up when its all over.

[Acaustiq]

Itīs not about saving money, the owners never said this once prior the appointment of Rodgers, they said they would give Rodgers the full backing to rebuild the squad to his ideas. Why did we take such a massive loss in the Aquilani deal then and keep on having Cole around if itīs about cutting costs?

Quite, there were plenty of free managerial options around, ones with bigger reputations - Benitez, Van Gaal, Capello if they really did want to do everything on the cheap, why not go for one of them?

Benitez would probably work for free.

Some would argue "well, they'd demand more money to spend" or "they'd be less pliant" but there are obvious logical flaws with that.

[redmen77]

People are getting far too worked up over this -potential- deal.  I understand Agger is quality, but get a grip ffs.  From what we saw in that preseason game I don't see a ball playing CB that likes to get forward a lot being a big priority.  The CBs are probably the only players that stay back 100%.  Anyway, Agger is a brilliant player but maybe Rodgers sees him as a luxury in his setup.  It is going to be okay, it really is.  Plus it was asking a lot to challenge for fourth with or without Agger.  I'm not too bothered really either way.

If you can't see the principle that this is exactly the same as the end of the H&G era then you mate are seriously missing something. Effectively we are back to the Rafa/Purslow issue of Ģ20M budget that also includes wages. The only thing we are guaranteed by the looks of it is an inferior replacement, whether already at the club or brought in from outside.

[The G in Gerrard]

So are these Adam Johnson being part of the deal rumors a load of poo poo?

I would hope so

[AisoD]

He could still say no to City though

Why? why the hell would he say no to City when he's not wanted at Liverpool? he's got too much pride to stay somewhere where he's not wanted.

Alonso Saga MKII.

[ShibbyLFC]

It's all very well saying we need to strengthen other areas but we'd need to strengthen CB if we sell Agger.

Exactly. It's not filling other holes, just creating new ones. Which is WHY I think it's all a load of unsubstantiated media bollocks.