Topic: General LFC Transfer related bollocks talk in here

[jimmyred2010]

We need a team before we need stars no?

Sorry i was going to elaborate on this statement but then the word bacon and eggs go shouted in the house so i legged it.

I just feel we need one more player to add to our whole squad who can add that fear factor in. With the likely hood of bellemy going, kuyt gone, alberto, maxi is gone, i feel that we miss that extra bit of quality who can create fear among the defenders, i know alberto has not even played for us really but if he had come back he could of done that ( i think ).

Every squad is adding very well in my opinion, everyone seems to be adding proven quality, not quality which could be there but not fully developed.

I don't feel that Borini will bash us 20 + goals this season so i think we need another striker to assist with him.

[Carlito Roberto]

absolutely. if we get Allen, then we essentially have the busquettes and the xavi of our midfield 3. We are now looking for the Iniesta. Thats a hell of a tall order. Sigurdson was logical. Gerrard can obviously play in there, but somebody who can keep it simple and yet run with the ball as well would be ideal. Ramirez looked like a good call to be fair. What a big lump he is by the way, is that a non starter now?

Just dont see Gerrard being the cog in that midfield. Hope i'm wrong but its never been great when he's been that far back. Shelvey in the longer term maybe. Just cant really think of anybody who would be able to play that role who isnt worth about 30 million. Maybe Adam? definitely a better player the closer to goal he is. i dont know, is that where dempsey is earmarked for?

Allen is the Welsh Iniesta.

[mercurial]

Dont think you could be much more proven than dempsey? scores goals year after year in the league he will be playing in.

You really think so? Look at his record over the past 6 season :
6, 8, 9, 13, 23.

Playing in Fulham it is easier to score. He gets the ball more in dangerous positions and is target player in the final third. People do not defend against Fulham with 2 banks of four. Do not expect him to be the same here where he will be marked out. If he comes here I hope he can take it up a notch but really not known and at 29 years not someone whose best days are ahead oh him, specially as he relies on short burst to get past defenders.

He is a good player but nothing that we have had before. Every transfer window people get excited about a new player but best not to over estimate his capabilities. So far all I can see is a club in shambles. I sincerely hope Brendan gets a go at making things right but by all accounts he is only a stop gap manager to keep us hanging around till 2014, hoping that he can overachieve with tactics since we cannot do with quality players. The owners are gambling and if we want to bury our head in the sand then its us to blame.

[Asam]

The final third is where all our problems are.

Yesterday for example, we had 6 central midfielders in a squad of 16 outfield players. I accept we maybe need to improve the quality there but the real problems are further up field.

Last season, we asked Suarez to be our main creator as well as our main goalscorer. We got Borini in now who no fucker knows if he's going to be any good, but we're all hopefull he will be.

That still leaves Suarez as our only creator in the last thread. We've swapped Maxi for Cole basically and look to be getting Dempsey for Kuyt. Neither of those players will take the creativity burden off Luis and if that's how we're entering the season. we're going to struggle to create chances again.

The wide positions are where we need some major surgery in. For a club chasing top 4, even top 6, Joe Cole is nowhere near good enough anymore as an option. It's very worrying for me, especially as we dont seem to be linked to anyone for those positions bar Dempsey whose not a creator.

We definitely need more quality in the final third, the way I see it, Downing & Sterling will now be the backup players for those positions, looking at the Swansea model BR had Dyer / Sinclair to open teams up with Graham upfront, so ideally I'd like to see us bring in at least one genuine, quick, skillful inside forward, and another striker if Carroll leaves

[Frizzo]

The bin it all off gets said a lot. If Ben doesn't like how it's going maybe he should just get rid of the site.

Do you not see the change in the last few years your self? I remember a short time ago where me calling you mate wouldn't evoke such a sarcy response.

I agree. It's ridiculous.

It's almost as though these people are putting in their own time and effort to offer you a service, for FREE, which you can either use or not use at your own discretion...and then have the gall to expect you not to complain!

It would be understandable if you didn't do all the things you do to make their lives easier.

[Asam]

It's been a strange summer for transfers. I think the Euros and Olympics have had an effect, but I think also austerity is finally starting to genuinely bite, as well as the looming spectre of FFP. Granted the Italian clubs are as usual are signing numerous players in part-exchanges and co-ownerships, only to loan or sell a bunch of them off straight away, but Milan's flogged off their two best players and a hatful of modern legends because of their debts. The only clubs who are spending heavy money are the oil-backed clubs like PSG and Chelsea. We're two weeks away from the season beginning and City have signed nobody probably because they desperately need to get in line with FFP and sell before they can buy. Arsenal have signed three players; Tottenham two. Newcastle have spent less than £2m. And the days of mid-table sides spending £30m+ before sales on players on credit seem to be over. In Spain, which is rife with unemployment, it looks like a major summer of belt-tightening.  Real Madrid have spent most of the summer looking to bring in one player (Modric), while Barcelona have signed one player (Alba). Valencia, the biggest spenders in Spain so far (over £15m worth on about five or so players) have done it on the back of selling about £20m worth.

That said, I think we will be bringing in 2-3 more players and we'll probably see a couple more leave. But I think this season will see a lot of clubs around Europe sticking with what they've got and making do, whether they are in Europe or not. A few might look for last minute loans to add quality or temporarily shift some wages, but I think this will be the quietest window for some time.

Top post, my concern is that the teams above us are equally astute, I don't think we can close the gap on them without a big injection of quality

[Frizzo]

Top post, my concern is that the teams above us are equally astute, I don't think we can close the gap on them without a big injection of quality

I might be crazy but I don't see there being a very big gap, if any between us and Tottenham and Newcastle, and not an enormous one between us and Arsenal and Chelsea.

I also feel like United are slowly slipping back to the pack. Hopefully City winning the league will have broken their back a little.

With a little luck I can see us being right in the mixer with those teams, if not this year then soon.

I just don't see the doom and gloom a lot of others do.

[redk84]

we really need to get a hold of our central midfield....since Mascherano's departure we have had Gerrard and Lucas. No-one else has come in and given them any sort of competition.

So much money wasted....obviously the changes in management and new ideas doesn't help....i agree it is probably THE most important area of the pitch but we really need to get a move on strengthening out wide and up front properly too....thank god we can be somewhat confident in our defence for now, otherwise we would have really struggled even more in recent times.

[kvarmeismydad]

I just feel we need one more player to add to our whole squad who can add that fear factor in. With the likely hood of bellemy going, kuyt gone, alberto, maxi is gone, i feel that we miss that extra bit of quality who can create fear among the defenders, i know alberto has not even played for us really but if he had come back he could of done that ( i think ).

I agree. It's quite scary really. Think of the goals Kuyt, Maxi and Bellamy scored. There were some big game moments in there. We've always had a problem finishing of the smaller teams, but those big game results gave the squad more confidence.

We're losing a lot of experience and winning attitude with those three, and with Borini and Dempsey, I don't think its a step up. Maxi and Dirk lacked pace ofcorse but to replace them we do need to add a player to that front three that makes people sit up and take notice and adds that feat factor into the opposition. Another Suarez type.

[blert596]

Playing in Fulham it is easier to score.

See, I dont get this line of thought. You also have to take in the other side of the argument in that he will be surrounded by better players, who will provide him with better and more opportunities.  The increase in quality will also allow him better opportunities for moving the ball on or holding the ball up as surrounding players take up better positions. There will be much more posession than he's used to which means he may not have as much pressure to keep up a high ratio of goals/chance. Other players will also be capable of scoring goals so he doesnt have the pressure to provide the goals that he's under at Fulham.

I'm not a massive Dempsey fan, but I think he's worth a run. It might be the makin of him. Just like Downing :-)

[Asam]

I might be crazy but I don't see there being a very big gap, if any between us and Tottenham and Newcastle, and not an enormous one between us and Arsenal and Chelsea.

I also feel like United are slowly slipping back to the pack. Hopefully City winning the league will have broken their back a little.

With a little luck I can see us being right in the mixer with those teams, if not this year then soon.

I just don't see the doom and gloom a lot of others do.

We need to stop seeing the world through red tinted glasses, Man Utd are not going to decline for the forseeable future, every year we get people talking about how our manager has got Fergie rattled and he's seen them all off,

You are right that Spurs / Newcastle are going to be our closest competitors, and whilst Newcastle may not do as well I think Spurs are miles ahead of us in terms of the quality of their first XI, Suarez / Gerrard / Agger / Skrtel / Reina are the only LFC players that would get into their team

[CaptainSuarez]

We need to stop seeing the world through red tinted glasses, Man Utd are not going to decline for the forseeable future, every year we get people talking about how our manager has got Mr Alex Ferguson rattled and he's seen them all off,

You are right that Spurs / Newcastle are going to be our closest competitors, and whilst Newcastle may not do as well I think Spurs are miles ahead of us in terms of the quality of their first XI, Suarez / Gerrard / Agger / Skrtel / Reina are the only LFC players that would get into their team

Lucas would walk into their side.

[RichardM]

Lucas would walk into their side.

Individually, our side is better than Spurs I'd say. It's just that we keep under-achieving.

[justsean]

I might be crazy but I don't see there being a very big gap, if any between us and Tottenham and Newcastle, and not an enormous one between us and Arsenal and Chelsea.

I also feel like United are slowly slipping back to the pack. Hopefully City winning the league will have broken their back a little.

With a little luck I can see us being right in the mixer with those teams, if not this year then soon.

I just don't see the doom and gloom a lot of others do.

I agree with you re Tottenham and Newcastle. We are well on par with those lads.

But Arsenal have some very good players and for my money, the best manager in the league. That man works miracles with the budgets  he's been given. What they have achieved with their net spend and with their best players constantly being bought up by Barcelona et al. is ridiculous!

Chelsea, in terms of players, we are a million miles behind. Which is to be expected with the kind of cash they are splashing. I would bet good money they will get one of Hulk, Cavani or Higuain in before the window closes and when you consider they already have bought Hazard, Marin and Oscar .. I think the league will be between them and City.

We can be in the mixer with those top 4 teams in the near future, but it's going to take one hell of an astute transfer window, which let's face it, we haven't had in a long time.

[justsean]

Lucas would walk into their side.

As would Glen Johnson and debatebly Borini.

Our first 11 is better than theirs.

[RichardM]

Everything on this Aquilani deal seems to be coming from the Italian side though. A lot like when Ramirez was 'imminently' signing for us. I'm still (wishfully) dubious.

[5-times-Phill]

I might be crazy but I don't see there being a very big gap, if any between us and Tottenham and Newcastle, and not an enormous one between us and Arsenal and Chelsea.

I just don't see the doom and gloom a lot of others do.

You could argue how the squads compare for years, some people probably will, but I think for me the biggest gap is momentum. There's doom and gloom because we've had one exciting spell in the last 3 seasons now whereas Spurs are growing every season and are in the best state they've been in for decades, Newcastle are riding a stream of momentum from last season and Chelsea are champions of Europe and have signed one of the hottest prospects in world football.

To keep this post on topic. This is where I think a top signing would make the difference. Someone to come in and get the fans excited again, they don't have to cost the earth they just have to play football thats worth paying money to watch, cos too few of our signings have done that.

[Frizzo]

We need to stop seeing the world through red tinted glasses, Man Utd are not going to decline for the forseeable future, every year we get people talking about how our manager has got Mr Alex Ferguson rattled and he's seen them all off,

You are right that Spurs / Newcastle are going to be our closest competitors, and whilst Newcastle may not do as well I think Spurs are miles ahead of us in terms of the quality of their first XI, Suarez / Gerrard / Agger / Skrtel / Reina are the only LFC players that would get into their team

Lucas would clearly be in there as well. So add him and that's 6 players that would be in their starting 11. Or more aptly, 5 of theirs that would get into ours. Either way you slice it, I don't know how you can say half our team would fit into their first 11 and then say they are 'miles ahead' of us.

[myliverbird]

I see Cardozo's name has popped up today linked with the rent boys, I would love to have him here. Adam Johnson, Óscar Cardozo and Gastón Ramírez were three players I said we should be going after this summer. Three players, all realistic and very much attainable. Throw Allen in there too and the creativity in the final third has just shot up. Of course to pull off something like that we'd need to be getting good money for the likes of Aquilani, Carroll etc but it doesn't look like that will be happening anytime soon.

[mb1111]

Everything on this Aquilani deal seems to be coming from the Italian side though. A lot like when Ramirez was 'imminently' signing for us. I'm still (wishfully) dubious.

Not much come from Italy regarding Ramirez, the more serious links were to Wolfsburg, Napoli and a few others bar the odd article. the Aquilani stuff is everywhere.

[Joga]

Lucas would clearly be in there as well. So add him and that's 6 players that would be in their starting 11. Or more aptly, 5 of theirs that would get into ours. Either way you slice it, I don't know how you can say half our team would fit into their first 11 and then say they are 'miles ahead' of us.

It's not just about the first XI though is it. Spurs have a lot more strength in depth than us. I also agree that momentum is on their side. It's definitely not on ours.

A high-profile loan or full signing to signal our intentions would really make us all feel a lot better about things I reckon. I hope those rumours come to fruition. Some guaranteed goals from a high-profile striker would be utopia.

[Frizzo]

You could argue how the squads compare for years, some people probably will, but I think for me the biggest gap is momentum. There's doom and gloom because we've had one exciting spell in the last 3 seasons now whereas Spurs are growing every season and are in the best state they've been in for decades, Newcastle are riding a stream of momentum from last season and Chelsea are champions of Europe and have signed one of the hottest prospects in world football.

To keep this post on topic. This is where I think a top signing would make the difference. Someone to come in and get the fans excited again, they don't have to cost the earth they just have to play football thats worth paying money to watch, cos too few of our signings have done that.

My apologies on derailing the thread.

I agree we need a top signing but I don't think there's anyone we'll realistically get this window. So I'm pleased with the signings we're making. Borini and Allen are both promising young players who know the system, and Dempsey will be a decent stopgap for a couple of years, or until we find that big player.

[Chris Mullin]

Lucas would clearly be in there as well. So add him and that's 6 players that would be in their starting 11. Or more aptly, 5 of theirs that would get into ours. Either way you slice it, I don't know how you can say half our team would fit into their first 11 and then say they are 'miles ahead' of us.

Sad thing is, one of those 5 players is named Gylfi Sigurðsson. 

[harleydanger]

Spurs have players suited to each other. We have better players who can't seem to play together.

[Tepid water]

Aquilani deal not yet done and playoffs and transfer fees vary from source to source.

Seems that Ryan Babel might be joining AA at Fiorentina though @bensmith

[justsean]

Lucas would clearly be in there as well. So add him and that's 6 players that would be in their starting 11. Or more aptly, 5 of theirs that would get into ours. Either way you slice it, I don't know how you can say half our team would fit into their first 11 and then say they are 'miles ahead' of us.

You don't think Johnson would get in ahead of Walker as well? At the end of the day - I'd only want Modric, Van der Vaart, Lennon and maybe Parker in our starting 11.

[Joga]

You don't think Johnson would get in ahead of Walker as well? At the end of the day - I'd only want Modric, Van der Vaart, Lennon and maybe Parker in our starting 11.

Bale?

[L666KOP]

Bale?

Parker 

[CaptainSuarez]

Everything on this Aquilani deal seems to be coming from the Italian side though. A lot like when Ramirez was 'imminently' signing for us. I'm still (wishfully) dubious.

I look at our side (assuming we get Dempsey & Allen) and truly believe we are 1/2 good players off having such a strong squad. Been saying that for years though, and it never happens....

[Zelnaga]

Why the hell are we comparing Spurs squad to ours? They finished above us for the last 3 seasons and people think they have a better team then us? Some people need a dose of reality in them.

I don't fancy getting the thread locks either. Is Rodgers waiting for the Carroll, deal to go through before we get Dempsey or even Allen? Allen I can understand cause of the Olympics but I think we getting priced out of Dempsey unless we can sell to buy.

[Andichrist]

Why the hell are we comparing Spurs squad to ours? They finished above us for the last 3 seasons and people think they have a better team then us? Some people need a dose of reality in them.

I don't fancy getting the thread locks either. Is Rodgers waiting for the Carroll, deal to go through before we get Dempsey or even Allen? Allen I can understand cause of the Olympics but I think we getting priced out of Dempsey unless we can sell to buy.

Or we're getting priced out in the sense that the price demanded is higher than the price we're willing to pay. Even if we could pay it. Same difference as between my being priced out of gourmet olive oil and a Jaguar XK, respectively.

[justsean]

What would people think about going for Adebayor? It seems like Spurs aren't willing to pay his wages. Decent movement on the lad and a good finish. He would definitely be cheap to buy but we would be have to give him huge wages. Doesn't strike me as a team player either.

[dotheoffski]

I don't fancy getting the thread locks either. Is Rodgers waiting for the Carroll, deal to go through before we get Dempsey or even Allen? Allen I can understand cause of the Olympics but I think we getting priced out of Dempsey unless we can sell to buy.

Totally disagree, Fulham want silly money for a 29 year old with 1 year of his contract left.  Both sides are just playing a little game, we don't want to overpay like we did last summer.  Fulham want to sell as he only has a year left, they are saying otherwise trying to get the best deal.

I think this will go through by the end of the transfer window and Dempsey will cost us £5-£6 million, considering his age and being in the last year of his contract that sounds about right.

[cox3100]

What would people think about going for Adebayor? It seems like Spurs aren't willing to pay his wages. Decent movement on the lad and a good finish. He would definitely be cheap to buy but we would be have to give him huge wages. Doesn't strike me as a team player either.

answered your own question.


seriously cant stand adebayor

[mercurial]

See, I dont get this line of thought. You also have to take in the other side of the argument in that he will be surrounded by better players, who will provide him with better and more opportunities.  The increase in quality will also allow him better opportunities for moving the ball on or holding the ball up as surrounding players take up better positions. There will be much more posession than he's used to which means he may not have as much pressure to keep up a high ratio of goals/chance. Other players will also be capable of scoring goals so he doesnt have the pressure to provide the goals that he's under at Fulham.

I'm not a massive Dempsey fan, but I think he's worth a run. It might be the makin of him. Just like Downing :-)

I understand what you are saying. It is not to negate that dempsey may not turn out to be a good player. What we have to decide is what the odds are on him to succeed. Is he someone who can make the team better than what we had before. I seriously doubt it, he would only be good as Kuyt at most. In the end the team has to perform.

So far this season we seem to have a team which does not look to be stronger than last season. That in the end is what matters. All the rot about wage bills, the commercial revenues and the Liverpool way are all talks. I can appreciate each of those but as fans we want a good team, not a team like city but we should be able to get a good team together even by having a decent spend. A manager should be able to work with the team he is given and then improve from there on. As I see it FSG are getting rid of player who we the fans consider good and replacing with mediocrity. It maybe we are wrong and FSG & Brendan will turn it around. It maybe that it will go as predicted and then it people like you and me who will ponder in hindsight that we were walked a sweet talk.

It is a feeling that things are not all right with the club and even more so this year. It did not start yesterday, it started maybe 10 years back or 20 years back but to me it does look like we are now being forced into thinking of mediocrity. That is what the owners are doing. They are cuddling you into believing that we are no better than 4th. Revenues, commercials, wages are all pertinent points and something we can all appreciate. What I can see is a concerted effort by the club to push their views down our throats just like chances created was pushed down as a magic statistic last year. Why does Rodgers say that league is more important than the league? After playing a qualifying round why should a manager demean the competition we are in. We are being fed that we are there to compete for 4th in the league.

As a supporter I want cups and trophies. I want to be in the top 4 and win the league. I want my team to win every damn game and expect us to win every damn game as we are Liverpool. Today, the broad support base is being taught to believe something else. It is only preparing for a slide into mediocrity. You can deride me for all I worth but that is what I feel.

[jjasonuk]

I would be really happy with Allen, Rameriez and a forward (maybe Dempsey) three quality players, at least two wih pace, control and age on their side. Plus whoever we get as a forward, I would like this with our without big Andy. Mi would add another pacy winger type if Bellamy goes.
 

[Joga]

What would people think about going for Adebayor? It seems like Spurs aren't willing to pay his wages. Decent movement on the lad and a good finish. He would definitely be cheap to buy but we would be have to give him huge wages. Doesn't strike me as a team player either.

On loan, I'd be delighted to be honest.

[justsean]

answered your own question.


seriously cant stand adebayor

I don't like him much either mate. I think he'd be a decent option though and would personally take him ahead of Dempsey. Although I suppose Demspey is more versatile.

[Joga]

I think Dempsey would've been a target anyway.

Adebayor or AN Other will be Carroll's replacement.

We need strikers who can score goals, and he is guaranteed 10 goals I reckon.

On loan there would be no pressure to start him in every game, but he provides a better and more effective option than Carroll.

Also if we get him it means Spurs don't.

And he only scores goals when he starts playing for a new club

[RedRabbit]

Aquilani deal not yet done and playoffs and transfer fees vary from source to source.

Seems that Ryan Babel might be joining AA at Fiorentina though @bensmith

Jovetić!