It's a website mate. Names can't be named. If they were, there'd be mutiny. If they aren't, people will scream bollocks and ask for proof. But you will never find 100% proof of anything on here. So, whether I knew something or not, in the end, you have to look at all the evidence, weigh everything up and make a decision. It's not my job to make anyone's mind up. I have a view of people that manage hedge funds and invest in business's that they know nothing about. FSG are such a company. I know what I think of them. I've stated it on here many times. And like I said, when this lot go it's more than likely the next lot will be exactly the same. In fact, they could be far worse as I don't think stewardship of the club will be FSG's main concern when they do eventually go.
It's not
It goes both ways mate, if we had got the right target when we had the money to spend we'd be alright
I will buy your book tomorrow BTW. I'm in Japan so I guess I'll take a hit on P&P but that's ok.
But, if you negotiate properly and it turns out you have identified the wrong target then you will lose little if any when selling.
--------------------------Reina-----------------------Johnson--------Skrtel-----Agger----------Enrique (decent for the money)--------------Lucas-------(16 million on a CM)----(20 million for a winger)----Gerrard-----Suarez-----------------35 million for a forward-----------I can't even be fucking bothered listing the amount of players we could put in those places for the amount of money we spent FM style. But look at it. The basis of the team is ok, and it's ironic the areas we need to improve now, are all the ones Kenny/Comolli spent in. Think what that money could of done. Think where we could of ended. I wish we had that budget now.
I admit, the same could be said about me. I hate rich fat cats and thieving businessmen. I have no time for anyone that has hedge fund mentioned in the same sentence as them. I have no time for FSG (whoever that may be). I have no time for Henry, Werner or Ayre. But just take a step back and look at the big picture. Take your emotions out of it. Stop being so entrenched in one camp or another. Look at FSG's arrival and time spent here from a nuetral perspective. I know what I see. I think the whole thing is pretty obvious, and I don't think it takes a Mystic Meg to see where it's headed. Once again, I admit, my mind is already made up when it comes to capitalism and capitalists. But I'm looking at this through the common sense of a 55 year old man that cut his teeth in The Boy's Pen... FSG couldn't give a fuck about anything but money. They'll sell up when they think the time is right for maximum profit. The next lot in behind them won't be any different.This is modern day football. If I wasn't 55 years old and hadn't cut me teeth in The Pen, I'd turn me back on it, never look back and not give a fuck. I've actually tried to do just that, but the club is ingrained in me and I'll never be able to just stop caring. These fuckers are ruining our club and our game, in just the same manner as they have fucked everything else. LFC/Football means nothing to these people. The bottom line is the almighty dollar. Anyone denying that and defending them is either daft or devious. The sooner the whole thing collapses and the rebuilding starts, the better.
The problem is that 5 of those players FSG inherited.
I will buy your book tomorrow BTW. I'm in Japan so I guess I'll take a hit on P&P but that's ok. I don't agree with your point above at all by the way, but that's by the by. I am still asking why you think the Suarez thing was the main factor. As for hedge fund managers, they are no more or no less wankers than the rest of us, but that is a philosophical argument about class that has no place in this thread and that you could easily have me lynched for. By the way I am not a hedge fund manager.
I haven't even read the rest of your post yet... don't do it. There'll be a downloadable version in a week or so. I'm getting it done so people outside the UK don't have to pay P&P.
We need people in charge who make the right decisions not the popular decisions. The people in charge of the Club are supposed to be the knowledgeable ones, fuck me how stupid can you be to try and blame the fans. If you listened to the fans then you would take half your team outside and shoot them after every defeat.Players play, managers manage and Directors provide direction they don't pander to the fans otherwise you would have twenty managers a season.
Its like if I called you a wanker, im not actually slagging you off for wanking, as i quite like to do that myself.
That's the difference. I do think there's room for this philosophical discussion in any and every discussion, let alone football or LFC. As for hedge fund managers and bankers in general, I blame them for just about every ill in the world. Of course, there's other villians in the piece, but to my mind, the bankers are the absolute root of all the world's woes. So, I don't think you'll be enjoying anything I wrote, let alone a 400 page book that basically wants to hang all bankers.
Ok, thanks. I'll hold off.
After me last post, you might want to swerve it completely.
It is true mate there where plenty of us who knew and more than enough PM's to confirm it.
It's a website mate. Names can't be named. If they were, there'd be mutiny. If they aren't, people will scream bollocks and ask for proof. But you will never find 100% proof of anything on here. So, whether I knew something or not, in the end, you have to look at all the evidence, weigh everything up and make a decision.
It's a website mate. Names can't be named. If they were, there'd be mutiny. If they aren't, people will scream ... ask for proof. But you will never find 100% proof of anything on here. So, .. look at all evidence, weigh everything up and make a decision.
With the fees and wages we were ready to pay we should have been shopping at a very different market
Alright. If you're genuinely interested in having this discussion count me in. I can do it here or wherever the mods deem appropriate. I'll have some views that you won't agree with--but what I am certain of is that you'll listen to them and respond rationally. For starters I think your view that bankers and their ilk are the root of all woes is hugely simplistic, and again I'm not a banker.
i think you and others need to separate comments about FSG from backing the manager most fans will back Rogers win, lose or draw, except for the after match clowns, its what we do, he isn't FSG he took on a great opportunity for him so no blame there, and it is possible to support the club and the manager and not support FSG.
lets say Roy Hodgson, or any other manager in Europe, and not Kenny, spent 35 million on Andy Carroll, 20 million on Downing, and 16 million on Jordan Henderson, and then finish 8th as a result of it. Would you blame FSG? I win.
Relax, chill out, apparently 4 new signings soon.
Not saying my ex girlfriend was a slag but even the label in her knickers said next.
So what you're saying is that it's their vision but they're absolved from any responsibility, that if it were an unpopular manager that there'd be no qualms that they'd sack a man for buying young players and not giving them time to fulfil their potential?
you'll get about 40 pms now.
Of course, it's simplistic. I'm a simple man. Football's a simple game. The money men are ruining it, much like they ruined every other form of working class entertainment. And I'll certainly discuss you on that any time, any where. But you're probably right that this isn't the right place to discuss the evils of capitalism and it's money making system. I'm up for it though, but first of all I need to call me nephew back who's just called me and then, if you want, we can talk about the robber barrons that are fucking this planet up, never mind it's best game.
lets say Roy Hodgson, or any other manager in Europe, and not Kenny, spent 35 million on Andy Carroll, 20 million on Downing, and 16 million on Jordan Henderson, and then finish 8th as a result of it. Would you blame FSG? Or that manager?I win.
You are on a mad cocktail of drugs, alcohol and funny glasses.The comedown will be brutal.
It's not, it's really notYou've got Kenny and Clarke watching games all over Europe, why would he do this is he had already been sacked? Why would he go to all the way to Boston when his fate was already decided.
