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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1480 on: August 8, 2012, 04:46:45 PM »
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1481 on: August 8, 2012, 04:49:02 PM »
There's about as much sense spoken in this thread as on mumsnet
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1482 on: August 8, 2012, 04:49:08 PM »
I understand that, but just because we haven't been told he has a contract offer, doesn't mean he doesn't have one in private. Suarez signed a contract yesterday, a contract nobody was told was offered to him until the announcement that he'd signed it.

Correct, but I haven't seen Suarez agent make a statement that says we haven't offered him one.

All negotiations go via the agent. Things might have changed since last Friday, who knows, but that is the last bit of solid evidence we can refer to.
I just brought the quotes up because someone asked whether he'd been offered one.

They should really be transferred to news only thread, I've seen a few posters asking after them.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1483 on: August 8, 2012, 04:51:15 PM »
I understand that, but just because we haven't been told he has a contract offer, doesn't mean he doesn't have one in private. Suarez signed a contract yesterday, a contract nobody was told was offered to him until the announcement that he'd signed it.

We can either look at the facts that we have them - which is of Friday there was no contract offer - or we can imagine something we'd like to imagine, which is he could be sold because he won't sign a new contract. I prefer to look at the facts and think it's highly unlikely the situation has changed.

With Suarez, there was not the feeding frenzy that he could go, not like this. There was no reason for questions to be asked about a new contract as he had four years left to run.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1484 on: August 8, 2012, 04:53:11 PM »
Rodgers had been saying for a while he wanted to give Suarez a new deal.

Im encouraged by this anyway

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1485 on: August 8, 2012, 04:56:19 PM »
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2185337/Liverpool-boss-Brendan-Rodgers-admits-Daniel-Agger-join-Manchester-City.html

It is pretty obvious City are interested but at a price much lower price then we would sell. Imo Rodgers would def sell Agger at the right price to allow him to buy other players

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1486 on: August 8, 2012, 04:56:21 PM »

I dont know why some people are saying he wont go, the simple facts are if city offer the rite amount of cash, agger WILL go.
Even the manager has said that today.
Money talks in fooball, and if we get £18 mill for him, he is going, its that simple.
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« Reply #1487 on: August 8, 2012, 04:56:57 PM »
It is all in the words. I very much doubt that Liverpool draw up a complete contract and place it before Agger who then says yes or no. I would imagine that there is an extended period of negotiation between the club and the players agent before we get to that point. Which means that when a player's agent says that there has been no contract offer from Liverpool it does not mean that negotiations are not ongoing. In fact in my experience when agents to do say that it is ALWAYS when negotiations are ongoing, the agent has sent the club his list of demands and it is his way of putting pressure on the club to come back quickly with an improved deal.

Which all ties in with BRs riposte today.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1488 on: August 8, 2012, 04:58:02 PM »
But then he said everybody got a prize, which is quite puzzling.. looks like he wanted to send a message to someone and tell him Agger is very important, i dont want to sell him, but if u want i cant do nothing

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« Reply #1489 on: August 8, 2012, 04:59:20 PM »
I dont know why some people are saying he wont go, the simple facts are if city offer the rite amount of cash, agger WILL go.
Even the manager has said that today.
Money talks in fooball, and if we get £18 mill for him, he is going, its that simple.

No it is not. Read the full quote.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1490 on: August 8, 2012, 05:01:11 PM »
I take it he won`t be cup tied in the CL if he plays tomorrow night?
There seems to be a lot of negotiating going on in public. His agent saying there has been no contract offer may mean that they don`t like whats on the table from the club. Maybe he is looking for parity with Stevie, Suarez and Carra. Carra`s current terms seem to have been a problem for Agger and Skertl.
Maybe the club are looking at the fact he only has 2 years left on his current contract and decided they won`t be caught like the Macca and Owen situations.
It may be the club decided if the contract wasn`t tied up with 30 days of the window left, then they would try and get the best price possible for him. You can`t blame them for that.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1491 on: August 8, 2012, 05:02:13 PM »
I dont know why some people are saying he wont go, the simple facts are if city offer the rite amount of cash, agger WILL go.
Even the manager has said that today.
Money talks in fooball, and if we get £18 mill for him, he is going, its that simple.

We've already turned down a bid for £18m so no it is not that simple. Think our asking price is scaring people off to be honest

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1492 on: August 8, 2012, 05:02:18 PM »
It is meant to be. Just as all the praise for him that follows is meant to let him know how valuable he is to the team. It all adds up to "Danny we love you and want you to sign a new contract but don't let that loose cannon of an agent of yours think you can hold the club to ransom.

Exactly.

Contract negotiations are clearly ongoing- the agent's comment that a new contract hasn't been offered is probably technically accurate, as no contract will be formally offered until the terms are fully negotiated.

In other words, the club is being proactive, instead of reactive. In the past we would make grand public pronouncements about how much we love the player (thereby giving the player greater negotiating leverage), the player's agent makes bigger wage demands, the club either caves or the player agitates to leave at the end of the window with the club's negotiating position totally undermined- the world now nows that the club tried to sign the player, couldn't, and now is forced to sell.

In negotiating, like poker, it's usually best to not show your cards to the rest of the table.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1493 on: August 8, 2012, 05:03:17 PM »
No it is not. Read the full quote.

You can say whatever you like, but if we get the rite offer, he is going.
One thing the manager has said since he came to this great club, is every player has there price.
And agger is no different.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1494 on: August 8, 2012, 05:04:28 PM »
It is all in the words. I very much doubt that Liverpool draw up a complete contract and place it before Agger who then says yes or no. I would imagine that there is an extended period of negotiation between the club and the players agent before we get to that point. Which means that when a player's agent says that there has been no contract offer from Liverpool it does not mean that negotiations are not ongoing. In fact in my experience when agents to do say that it is ALWAYS when negotiations are ongoing, the agent has sent the club his list of demands and it is his way of putting pressure on the club to come back quickly with an improved deal.

Which all ties in with BRs riposte today.
Or it could just be that club are looking ways to soften the blow of selling fans favourite? I full understand what your saying and if you watch the video it don't seem no way as bad as just plain quotes but i stopped believing long time ago the club being rite even when Kenny was in charge. Its all about PR on both sides and at the moment it looks more like Rodgers/Club pushing Agger out while trying soften it by saying "everyone has there price".
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« Reply #1495 on: August 8, 2012, 05:11:34 PM »
You can say whatever you like, but if we get the rite offer, he is going.
One thing the manager has said since he came to this great club, is every player has there price.
And agger is no different.

Simply repeating the same dumbness does not make it rite (sic).

I don't know what will happen in the next 2 weeks regarding Agger. And neither do you. No matter how many times you post your facts before we mute you for a bit.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1496 on: August 8, 2012, 05:12:36 PM »
why is everyone thinking we will sell for 22m?? when rodgers has talked about the 40m Silva went for PSG for?? personally i think he is looking for more like 30m + for agger.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1497 on: August 8, 2012, 05:13:50 PM »
Mascherano says:

Extract from this: http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/fodbold/udenlandsk_fodbold/engelsk_fodbold/PremierLeague/article1804489.ece Go Google translate.
The biggest worry for us is not that he leaves, but that he goes to Barca.

If he goes to City they will pay an inflated price for an injury prone 27 year old central defender, albeit an utterly top class one, and we will get the best price we will ever get for him. Although I would hate to see him leave - for me he is the epitome of the Paisley centre back - but I could see the logic of taking 25 Million or close to it for Danny. No, the real problem is if we look like we want to sell him so he decides he only wants Barca - they are experts at destabilising a player then low-balling. Mascherano himself was a case in point - 25 Million would've been a very fair price for him. We'd be lucky to get 15 for Agger from Barcelona.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1498 on: August 8, 2012, 05:14:19 PM »
I think City would still pair Lescott with Kompany so maybe they wont want to pay over the odds for a backup even one as talented as Agger.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1499 on: August 8, 2012, 05:15:30 PM »
BR is doing the right thing in my view. It reminds me of how Everton stood over Lescott with the difference being that Agger is not publically saying he wants to go.

The manager has said that it would take a big offer for them to sell and i hope we stand by that. If City want him then we should be accepting no less than £25m+. Every player in the world is for sale at the right price.

Personally i don't want Agger to leave but for that kind of money we would be daft not to accept. It is then up to Agger as to whether he would want to leave.

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« Reply #1500 on: August 8, 2012, 05:17:16 PM »
I think City would still pair Lescott with Kompany so maybe they wont want to pay over the odds for a backup even one as talented as Agger.

This is the key imo.

Do City see him as a backup, or do they see him as first pick alongside Kompany.

If he's gonna be first pick we may get what/close to what we want, if not we wont.
Hopefully the valuation Brendan has set is his way of letting people know we don't want to sell, but if you're daft enough to pay 30m we'll talk.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1501 on: August 8, 2012, 05:18:03 PM »
Simply repeating the same dumbness does not make it rite (sic).

I don't know what will happen in the next 2 weeks regarding Agger. And neither do you. No matter how many times you post your facts before we mute you for a bit.

Its hardly dumbness. I agree with him. If we get the required price (I guess around £25M) from City then we will def sell Agger imo. I really hope we dont sell him though

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1502 on: August 8, 2012, 05:18:13 PM »
I think City would still pair Lescott with Kompany so maybe they wont want to pay over the odds for a backup even one as talented as Agger.

That would be the saddest thing to see I think. Agger somehow demoted to backup for Jolen Lescott!
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1503 on: August 8, 2012, 05:18:18 PM »
This is the key imo.

Do City see him as a backup, or do they see him as first pick alongside Kompany.

If he's gonna be first pick we may get what/close to what we want, if not we wont.

If he's not going to be first pick then I would question Agger's reasons for joining City.

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« Reply #1504 on: August 8, 2012, 05:19:05 PM »
If he's not going to be first pick then I would question Agger's reasons for joining City.

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« Reply #1505 on: August 8, 2012, 05:19:43 PM »
Oh and a "rite" is a religious or quasi-religious ceremony you illiterate gang of moaners. ;)
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« Reply #1506 on: August 8, 2012, 05:21:21 PM »
Its hardly dumbness. I agree with him. If we get the required price (I guess around £25M) from City then we will def sell Agger imo. I really hope we dont sell him though

In your opinion. Who asked for your opinion. Now if you had Brenno's opinion then we might have something worth discussing.
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« Reply #1507 on: August 8, 2012, 05:22:47 PM »
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1508 on: August 8, 2012, 05:23:36 PM »
Forced out?

But from BR's press conference today (rather than just the soundbites being reported by the media) I don't see that anybody is doing that. Certainly not Rodgers.

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« Reply #1509 on: August 8, 2012, 05:24:54 PM »
The biggest worry for us is not that he leaves, but that he goes to Barca.

If he goes to City they will pay an inflated price for an injury prone 27 year old central defender, albeit an utterly top class one, and we will get the best price we will ever get for him. Although I would hate to see him leave - for me he is the epitome of the Paisley centre back - but I could see the logic of taking 25 Million or close to it for Danny. No, the real problem is if we look like we want to sell him so he decides he only wants Barca - they are experts at destabilising a player then low-balling. Mascherano himself was a case in point - 25 Million would've been a very fair price for him. We'd be lucky to get 15 for Agger from Barcelona.

I'm not delighted at the prospect of Agger moving on but I feel compelled to point out, there is a difference. Mascherano was not happy at Liverpool - remember how he spent his days peering out of his tower block at Insua? Agger is demonstrably happy, so if Barca didn't offer enough Agger would settle into a new season easily enough. The question isn't if Agger will hassle for a move to Barca; it's if he's hassling for an unrealistic contract or if the club sees him as the best way to boost funds in the absence of shifting Carroll/Adam blah de blah. I suppose the rumours of us going for loanees may be the compromise.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1510 on: August 8, 2012, 05:26:09 PM »
If the club do decide to sell Agger i can't see the logic behind it, one of the only good things to come out of last season was the pairing of Skrtel and Agger, and if we get £20 mill for him it's going to take that to get the same calibre of player to replace him.

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« Reply #1511 on: August 8, 2012, 05:26:17 PM »
In your opinion. Who asked for your opinion. Now if you had Brenno's opinion then we might have something worth discussing.

We do have his opinion...."every player has their price". There is no way he said that for no reason when asked about Agger

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« Reply #1512 on: August 8, 2012, 05:27:39 PM »
Apparently he'll be a City player on Friday.

With Kuyt/Maxi/Bellamy also leaving, and Carroll being forced out, it makes you wonder WTF is going on.

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« Reply #1513 on: August 8, 2012, 05:30:11 PM »
Apparently he'll be a City player on Friday.

With Kuyt/Maxi/Bellamy also leaving, and Carroll being forced out, it makes you wonder WTF is going on.
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« Reply #1514 on: August 8, 2012, 05:30:42 PM »
Apparently he'll be a City player on Friday.

With Kuyt/Maxi/Bellamy also leaving, and Carroll being forced out, it makes you wonder WTF is going on.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1515 on: August 8, 2012, 05:31:10 PM »
You can say whatever you like, but if we get the rite offer, he is going.
One thing the manager has said since he came to this great club, is every player has there price.
And agger is no different.

He definitely won't be sold for 18m!

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« Reply #1516 on: August 8, 2012, 05:31:59 PM »
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« Reply #1517 on: August 8, 2012, 05:32:14 PM »
We do have his opinion...."every player has their price". There is no way he said that for no reason when asked about Agger

He has said it about EVERY player not just Agger. If Juve offered £50M for Suarez tomorrow then we'd probably take it.

IMHO you are reading too much from a general statement of truth which is true for every single player on the planet.

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« Reply #1518 on: August 8, 2012, 05:32:24 PM »
It may not make great sense but maybe they want players staying and dont want to overpay them. Getting him to force the move would work out for us financially.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #1519 on: August 8, 2012, 05:37:54 PM »
Well that's alright then.

Did I say it was alright? I think the club are trying not to cave into any players demands immediately.