Topic: Daniel Agger

[Tom_B]

If Rodgers needs to sell Agger to get the playes he wants then its a good move. Just like what he did with Carroll that got West Ham on the hook but sadly Carroll wouldn't go.

This quote from Rodgers says everything about why we're open to selling both Agger and Carroll.

Peter McDowall ‏@Petermcdowall10
BR on August window: "I don't have a bucket load of money, we have to be strategic." #LFC

Peter McDowall ‏@Petermcdowall10
BR on Agger: "The reality is, if a club comes in with a massive bid, then the club MAY have to look at it." #LFC 

The problem is that he needs to sell to buy, full stop.

If he wants rid of Agger, then what he said today is a good move, if he doesn't, it is silly. However, if he wants rid of Agger he is silly anyway, because if we sell a centre half for £20 million plus, and identifiy a good replacement, we won't be getting him on the cheap.

[.adam]

I highly doubt you'll see him change the whole way his team players just to fit Carra in.

I'll fucking kill myself if he does.

[Barefoot Doctor]

It fucking baffles me when players like JC are still in the squad and here we are thinking of selling one of our precious asset.

Why? There's a market for Agger, there isn't one for Carragher.

[geoffstrong]

Rodgers doesn't play with a deep line though, so even if Agger goes he will either tell Carra how to play (if that's who is going to play there), or get someone new in who can play that way.

I highly doubt you'll see him change the whole way his team players just to fit Carra in.

tell you what i am going to save this one, if Carra plays a high line he hasn't got the speed to get back, so either way we are fucked!

 Dont be so sure of your last sentence as well.

[El Festino]

Under Rodgers system, isn't there a case that you don't need a cultured ball player as a centre back?


The system seems to involve a very deep midfielder whos job is to take the ball from the CBs and distribute it....


Now, does that require a cultured centre back to do that?

Is there an argument to be made that whilst skrtel may not be as good a footballer as Agger, he's a better defender?
Find another good defender to go with him (and that isn't carra as they don't play well as a pair) and have we actually weakens the side?

Good point and I would tend to agree with you on the system but i still believe we are stronger with him than without.

[THE7KING]

I don't get this at all, really. I feel both Skrtel and Agger help to make each other look better. They compliment each other very well, and the result is their awesome partnership. I mean, how often do you see Agger partnered with Carra? Agger would likely not look as good as well.

I disagree Agger has always been class whether his partnering Carra, Skrtel or Hyypia. Skrtel hasn't before this season Skrtel
was shocking for a long time(since his injury) silly mistakes, trying to win the ball from behind, holding and poor decision making.

Last season Skrtel best form came when partnered with Agger...not Agger partnered with Skrtel.

[alfonso]

I can't see us buying Adam Johnson. I could only envision a loan. The owners have sewn up their pockets.

[Voltaire]

I feel inclined to agree.

City are definitely being more prudent this summer, and if they're unable to spend 15-20m on Van Persie, what are the chances that they stump up 25m for Agger? They have a partnership that is working well in Kompany and Lescott - who are both extremely durable. They also have Richards and Toure as backups.

Agger would be an considered a luxury signing for them, though it is City we're talking about, and if anyone can afford luxury signings at big prices, it's them.

That's what gets me, City had the best defensive record in the league last season. I know he gets some stick on here, but I thought Lescott had a good, solid season and stepped up to the mark in the run in.

Spending £20m and huge wages to disrupt that unit seems an odd exercise. Unless they see Agger as someone who would work better in the Champions League and has experience of the later stages of the competition, which is a possibility.

[eirwen]

Agger obviously knows the situation and how potential we could get bent over a barrel, so I would hope he show us some fucking decency after the way he talked the billy big bollocks after Torres did what he did, plus how we've stuck by him through the injuries he has endured during his contract and the games he's missed. Let's see how loyal he is and whether he's a man of his word.

lol and we are already blaming it on the player. His agent has said he's happy here but we haven't offered him a new contract. And from what BR said it's pretty clear we want to sell. Not the other way around. No doubt if we sell him the club would say he handed in a transfer request though.

[Lenin]

Would there be any possibility of us getting Lescott in on a free as part of any potential deal with City?

[peachybum]

It fucking baffles me when players like JC are still in the squad and here we are thinking of selling one of our precious asset.

What's baffling? To get rid you need a buyer. Cole is here because he has a contract and nobody is stupid enough to pay him what we do. Agger could go because he's one of very few of our players that other clubs would actual want.

[Tepid water]

I am just finding Rodgers is contradicting himself a lot with this.

'Is he a player I want to lose? Not he's not' - He may not want to lose him, but we may need to sell to raise funds.
'I am under no obligation to sell him' - Suggests he doesn't have to sell him to raise funds.

I just don't get it? I cannot wait until September 1st.

He doesn't HAVE to sell him to raise money....

But if he wants to spend more money he needs to sell....

[Crosby Wych]

It fucking baffles me when players like JC are still in the squad and here we are thinking of selling one of our precious asset.

Yeah, those teams willing to pay £20m+ for Jamie are waiting around the block.

[BarryCrocker]

Which is precisely why we shouldn't sell him.

The way in which Rodgers has been bigging up Carra repeatedly suggests to me that he thinks a Carra/Skrtl partnership means we don't need Agger.

It’s like he’s going to bag out a club legend with 700 games under his belt. Of course he’s going to talk him up. Shows that he respects his part in the history of the club, a good example to younger players, etc, etc.

I can’t really recall him talking up his ability to play tika-taka.

[rob1408]

Would there be any possibility of us getting Lescott in on a free as part of any potential deal with City?

Zero, I'd imagine, he'd have to slash his wages to join any other side.

[El Festino]

Selling players to fund others is one thing. If we sell and dont fund then its time to worry.
I do not believe selling Agger, to another Premier League club, is the way we should be doing business at all.
We are turning into a fucking feeder club at this rate.
Just keep him, tell him no. Its really that simple.

I know fuck all, but i think to be fair, Agger is not pushing for a move.

[♠Dirty Harry♠]

The only thing that worries me about all of this is the longer these deals wrangle on the less time we have to find replacements, allowing more leverage to the selling clubs and forcing our hand like Newcastle with Andy Carroll.

[Chakan]

Playing devils advocate he'd be crazy not to jump at the chance. City/Barca can offer him everything we can't. More money, Champions League football and a real challenge to their respective league titles.

[shelovesyou]

Don't get me wrong, we should be getting to a position to compete with the three clubs mentioned, but we are not there yet. Anyone thinking we will be competing for the title as those 3 clubs will be is on cloud cuckoo.

Picking our battles and getting the team set up accordingly, when we have a limited budget, is what we should be doing. That's not a defeatist attitude, its realism. If selling Agger (for instance, could be any player) in Rodger's opinion will allow him to strengthen the side to compete with those we are most close to (Spur, Arsenal, Newcastle even) then that's what we should aim to do. We don't have the resources to aim for the top 3 just yet and therefore doing so would possibly see us miss out on jumping the others just below.

It's not a short race we are running here, it's a long slog back to the top.

Sadly true this.
Of course we should start every season with a clean slate and hope for the best but those who think we might win the league are just setting themselves up for huge dissapointment. Its not going to happen in the next 3 to 4 yrs.
Its the long game I think we are trying to play here.

[Tepid water]

Would there be any possibility of us getting Lescott in on a free as part of any potential deal with City?

No.... He wouldn't want to lose his enormous wages...
And city can't just give him away because of FFP.

[decky]

Look people it's very simple. FSG want the club to operate within its means, get more value in the transfer market and from the wage bill. If they sell a player like Agger the money will go back into the playing staff to improve the team. We have no CL revenue and our match day revenue falls considerably below our rivals, so sometimes the club will have to juggle things around a bit to produce a more successful team with the same pot of cash.

They tried last year to get into the CL by spending £100m, they trusted Kenny and Comolli and things didn't turn out as they'd hoped. Now they'll be taking a more medium term strategic approach to build for the future. A new scouting team has been recruited with the aim of finding potential world class players from all over the world before their prices get too high. All our teams from youth to first team will play the same style of football, easing the transition for the younger players. Essentially this is how we will try and compete, by doing things differently and by doing it smarter. This is going to mean that sometimes we will sell players like Agger because of the fee they generate and their age etc. I'm afraid everyone is just going to have to accept that things are different now, we have essentially been going back to the drawing board for 20 odd years. Now we are building a new blueprint and philosophy for future and sustained success. No one knows what will happen of course, there are no guarantees but the club is planning for success both on and off the pitch.

[underdog]

It's Agger's final big contract, and there is no doubt City will have told him what they offer. Quite rightly, he's said that he wants LFC to match it if he is to sign an extension. We can't/won't match those wages, especially with FFP breathing down our necks. Rogers obviously needs to raise cash, and letting Agger run down the contract is a bad option. Another Steve Mac/Michael Owen scenario is the last thing we want.

Perfect Storm, really.

It's a nice story, one that makes sense and gives us a reason why the club are selling. Of course, its wrong, Agger has not been offered an improved contract at all, says he doesn't want to leave and in the past said he'd not play for any other team in the league.

[shelovesyou]

He doesn't HAVE to sell him to raise money....

But if he wants to spend more money he needs to sell....

You cant say that to be fair mate. 
At the same time none of us can say he does.

[greyfade]

Yeah, those teams willing to pay £20m+ for Jamie are waiting around the block.

Why? There's a market for Agger, there isn't one for Carragher.

I meant cole.

[oddball]

Lets keep the topic on Agger people unless you want it locking? The general one will be open later tonight, so try and contain yourselves until then, unless you dont want any threads to post in!

[Discipline]

For all we know, this could be Rodgers warning Agger that if "you don't want to accept / negotiate with us, you can leave". Or a situation like that.*

*Where Agger wants large wages that we cannot afford.

I mean, Agger IS a fan of the club. He has stated that he will never play for another team in the same league (so if anything, he's off to Spain) and has been with us through the dark times. He loves the club, and always gives it his all. Our defence is MUCH better with him in the squad (you can see the difference when he doesn't play) and suits the philosophy better than any of our other defenders. I highly doubt this transfer is forcing him to leave or anything relating to get rid.

Regarding Rodgers quotes, could this not also go to other players in the squad? If the right price comes in, you're out. It's a warning to all players, not just Agger. Imo anyway. 

[Melbred]

I meant cole.

Where are the clubs interested in signing Cole, Downing and Adam then?

Cole is just as tough to shift at his age with his injuries and especially at his wages - which are even higher than Carra's.

[eirwen]

We know we don't have a lot of money. And maybe Rodgers needs to sell before buying. But you don't sell one of your best players to raise funds. You just don't. I'd rather sell the likes of Carroll, Cole, Adam, Downing at a cut price than losing our best defender. It's a stupid move that will cost us next season.

[The G in Gerrard]

Disappointing that. We ain't leaving much time to do incoming transfers.

[rob1408]

I meant cole.

And the same applies for him.

[Caligula?]

Can he play at the back?

He can even play in goal.

I suppose you're right though. As good as Llorente is, we'd need some sort of replacement if Agger does go, but doesn't that completely undermine selling him in the first place?! Just to save a few million quid if we do buy another defender? Seems a bit daft to me.

[lorenzo23]

Agger obviously knows the situation and how potential we could get bent over a barrel, so I would hope he show us some fucking decency after the way he talked the billy big bollocks after Torres did what he did, plus how we've stuck by him through the injuries he has endured during his contract and the games he's missed. Let's see how loyal he is and whether he's a man of his word.

Have you been in hiding last few weeks/months ? its like the club/manager can not do any wrong always has to be player.

[Melbred]

We know we don't have a lot of money. And maybe Rodgers needs to sell before buying. But you don't sell one of your best players to raise funds. You just don't. I'd rather sell the likes of Carroll, Cole, Adam, Downing at a cut price than losing our best defender. It's a stupid move that will cost us next season.

The problem is no one wants them even at a cut price.

[RyanBabelsFish]

For all we know, this could be Rodgers warning Agger that if "you don't want to accept / negotiate with us, you can leave". Or a situation like that.*

*Where Agger wants large wages that we cannot afford.

Accept what? Negotiate on what? He has not been offered a new contract. How many more times does it have to be said.....

[geoffstrong]

Disappointing that. We ain't leaving much time to do incoming transfers.

or part of the plan?

well we tried but left it too late maybe next window meanwhile we will get through with what we have!

Far fetched but not inconceivable is it.

[oddball]

LAST WARNING

Lets keep the topic on Agger people unless you want it locking? The general one will be open later tonight, so try and contain yourselves until then, unless you dont want any threads to post in!

[eirwen]

The problem is no one wants them even at a cut price.

You don't know that. If you lower the price there will be clubs interested. Newcastle will take Carroll at say 10m? I'm sure there are other clubs who would take Downing, Adam etc. It's all about negotiation.

[The G in Gerrard]

or part of the plan?

well we tried but left it too late maybe next window meanwhile we will get through with what we have!

Far fetched but not inconceivable is it.

I'd hope not. Carragher & Skrtel isn't a good partnership. Besides Rodgers doesn't come across like a mug who'd accept such a thing. I was hoping Coates would learn alot more from Agger this season.

[itsgunnabebarnes!]

I must be the only one who think Agger can be replaced

[Stussy]

The owners have sewn up their pockets.

The owners aren't going to dole out money to us. That is how it is and always will be. We spend what we earn.