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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #640 on: July 31, 2012, 02:49:55 PM »
How much would it cost to transplant Agger's head onto Skrtel's body?
It would probably cost both their lives, but we must try.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #641 on: July 31, 2012, 02:53:48 PM »
There are only two scenarios where Agger being sold happens.

1) the player wants out and right now.

Or

2) The much more scary option that FSG don't want to pay the wages a new contract would bring and are happy to cash in on him and let us be (even) less competative for profit.

I'm going with number two.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #642 on: July 31, 2012, 02:54:13 PM »
I remember watching that BBC Barcelona documentary on Laporta presidency.  The first thing they did was to sort the contracts and how they pay the players.  There was one conversation where TB (DoF) was so frank with the agent of Motta.  He just hammered him, telling him that they won't agree to terms because Motta didn't provide exactly what was on the tin (or something along those lines).  We need to take a similar approach and use incentives built into contracts so that we have players pushing themselves. 

The recent cost cutting on the wage seems good but then we do things like extend Gerrard's contract when he is 32 and has been suffering from injuries since 2009.  It doesn't make any sense, at least not for the club.  We are the classic example of not being able to manage money.  Our competitive advantage eroded when money came flooding into this league.  We've been a mess since, taking one direction and then the next without any clear thought or consideration.  Houllier and Benitez (more so) gave us direction but the work of the last 3 seasons has almost completely blown away what they built.

Yes, a really good documentary that. And it sounded like a great structure they put in place. They rewarded players who played many games and they rewarded success. And they got rid off Kluivert because he wasn't worth the money they paid him.

We need to do similar things. And it shouldn't take all summer to sign up Agger, Skrtel & Co.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #643 on: July 31, 2012, 02:55:12 PM »
If he has to go, I would rather see him in Barcelona than City for some strange reason :)

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #644 on: July 31, 2012, 03:02:33 PM »
If he has to go, I would rather see him in Barcelona than City for some strange reason :)

Well it makes sense you would rather see him at Barce considering we will most likely never play them again. However to be honest if City get him, thinking about it, we shouldn't mind seeing as we probably won't be challenging with them anyway.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #645 on: July 31, 2012, 03:05:22 PM »
Well it makes sense you would rather see him at Barce considering we will most likely never play them again. However to be honest if City get him, thinking about it, we shouldn't mind seeing as we probably won't be challenging with them anyway.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #646 on: July 31, 2012, 03:18:53 PM »
I remember is hard tackles on Torres..he can't go...he's a fighter!
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #647 on: July 31, 2012, 03:19:50 PM »
And with the greatest will in the world, being a club like Spurs or Arsenal would kill me. Being a Spurs or an Arsenal fan is like being the fucking human batteries in the matrix. The endless cycle of making the top four so you're competitive enough to make the top four, and profitable.

Well being like City and Chelsea and spending Ģ800m of an owners loose change to BUY our 19th title would kill me.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #648 on: July 31, 2012, 03:22:32 PM »
When your Mum used to pick you up from school and you'd run out and be like 'Mummy I got 9/10 in the spelling test today', would she go 'phenomenal, son'.

Cos if she did she's a stupid fuck.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #649 on: July 31, 2012, 03:27:44 PM »
Well being like City and Chelsea and spending Ģ800m of an owners loose change to BUY our 19th title would kill me.
there is an inbetween you know. You lot are just as fucking bad, going round saying anyone who criticises the ownership want a sugar daddy. Fuck off with that crap, there is a certain club at the other end of m62 that showed the way in the early 90s on how to build fast and ambitiously without spending figures you're showing.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #650 on: July 31, 2012, 03:29:38 PM »
Somebody has to make room for Carra....

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #651 on: July 31, 2012, 03:33:33 PM »
Somebody has to make room for Carra....

sorry.  8)

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #652 on: July 31, 2012, 03:35:01 PM »
Have to keep him and Agger if at all possible, meaning unless either of them start demanding a move(even then), or we get a stupid offer, we just keep them. Even if it means them leaving next season. At least with those two here(and the rest of the back five), and presuming Agger averages a few more league games than his usual average then i think we might have a good season, and make a real push for fourth. I'd take that gamble over selling them now because we might lose out on a couple of million if we can't get them to sign on in the long term and losing them next season. Club has to be strong on this.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #653 on: July 31, 2012, 03:36:42 PM »
there is an inbetween you know. You lot are just as fucking bad, going round saying anyone who criticises the ownership want a sugar daddy. Fuck off with that crap, there is a certain club at the other end of m62 that showed the way in the early 90s on how to build fast and ambitiously without spending figures you're showing.

They got insanely lucky really. But expecting us to be as well run, and have the funds to match United, after only a season and a half, from where we were then, is psychotic.

So if you can accept that this will take time, then give them some fucking time.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #654 on: July 31, 2012, 03:37:14 PM »
there is an inbetween you know. You lot are just as fucking bad, going round saying anyone who criticises the ownership want a sugar daddy. Fuck off with that crap, there is a certain club at the other end of m62 that showed the way in the early 90s on how to build fast and ambitiously without spending figures you're showing.

Not really true is it, they spent a massive amount - Hughes, Robson, Bruce, Parker, Pallister and Keane were all major money deals at the time.

edit - Ince, McClair and Webb weren't particularly cheap either.
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When your Mum used to pick you up from school and you'd run out and be like 'Mummy I got 9/10 in the spelling test today', would she go 'phenomenal, son'.

Cos if she did she's a stupid fuck.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #655 on: July 31, 2012, 03:57:07 PM »
yes but they made the money from the commercial side. Those signings were funded by the club's profitability itself.
We weren't exactly being tightarses ourselves at the same time.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #656 on: July 31, 2012, 04:02:42 PM »
yes but they made the money from the commercial side. Those signings were funded by the club's profitability itself.

And yet we now find ourselves with owners actively persuing (long overdue) improvements on the commercial side - and with a proven track record of doing exactly that and in turn reinvesting the profits, as United did - and yet they're criticised for it.

It seems there's no pleasing some people (and that's not directed at you, by the way).
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #657 on: July 31, 2012, 04:22:05 PM »
yes but they made the money from the commercial side. Those signings were funded by the club's profitability itself.
We weren't exactly being tightarses ourselves at the same time.

Correct, they had more astute business men in place that realised early doors just what a cash cow the premiership would become.
And the 'class of 92'? ensured the money they made could be spent exploding OT, thus making more money for the future.

Wegers doing the same at Arsenal, we can all laugh at his half a dozen trophyless years, and his reluctance to spend money, but he's kept them in the CL all the time he's been there, and for the most part competetive at the right end of the table until april or so, and all this whilst making great strides in paying off the stadium.

It can be done, but there has to be a line drawn at some point, and a definitive plan of attack in going forward. And unfortunately we may have to take a few steps backwards to enable us to start to move forwards again.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #658 on: July 31, 2012, 04:26:25 PM »
But expecting us to be as well run, and have the funds to match United, after only a season and a half, from where we were then, is psychotic.

So if you can accept that this will take time, then give them some fucking time.

Thatīs simply not true. With the money wasted in the last couple of transfer windows we could be close to the quality of the squad of ManU about now.

Itīs been horrible mismanagement, nothing else and I have no idea why itīs so popular to find excuse after excuse for the people responsible for that.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #659 on: July 31, 2012, 04:30:57 PM »
yes but they made the money from the commercial side. Those signings were funded by the club's profitability itself.
We weren't exactly being tightarses ourselves at the same time.

that's exactly what our owners are trying to do though... that's their plan

at the end of the day, yous can chat whatever paranoid shit yous like but rodgers was very intent on making sure that he was fully in control, why would he let FSG undermine him by dictating his signings and who he lets go and potentially ruin his reputation? the answer is he wouldn't.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #660 on: July 31, 2012, 04:31:14 PM »
With the money wasted in the last couple of transfer windows we could be close to the quality of the squad of ManU about now.

Itīs been horrible mismanagement, nothing else and I have no idea why itīs so popular to find excuse after excuse for the people responsible for that.

Just out of interest, who exactly would you say is responsible for that?
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #661 on: July 31, 2012, 04:31:16 PM »
I think i'd have a rage induced brain aneurysm if Agger left.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #662 on: July 31, 2012, 04:32:07 PM »
Thatīs simply not true. With the money wasted in the last couple of transfer windows we could be close to the quality of the squad of ManU about now.

Itīs been horrible mismanagement, nothing else and I have no idea why itīs so popular to find excuse after excuse for the people responsible for that.

Didn't we get rid of the people responsible for that? (Comolli and Kenny)

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #663 on: July 31, 2012, 04:35:44 PM »
Thatīs simply not true. With the money wasted in the last couple of transfer windows we could be close to the quality of the squad of ManU about now.

Itīs been horrible mismanagement, nothing else and I have no idea why itīs so popular to find excuse after excuse for the people responsible for that.

What good is it going to do whingeing about it on here either?
Of course mistakes were made, but they sacked the man who wasted the money and changed the management team. Using hindsight to complain is as much use as finding excuses.
IMO they have at least sought to address the problems by changing things.
We don't have much money to spend and they are trying to balance the books while increasing our commercial revenue and starting work on stadium expansion.
They have a long way to go but people need to get real.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #664 on: July 31, 2012, 04:39:35 PM »
Thatīs simply not true. With the money wasted in the last couple of transfer windows we could be close to the quality of the squad of ManU about now.

Itīs been horrible mismanagement, nothing else and I have no idea why itīs so popular to find excuse after excuse for the people responsible for that.

Yeah of course,because FSG wasted the money as they were the ones who decided who to sign.....
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #665 on: July 31, 2012, 04:40:31 PM »
25 is easy to reject. North of 30 is where it gets hard, but no one will pay that for him. So it's all good

Pie in the sky thinking, but I don't think Ģ25 million is easy to reject, if we had a Ģ12 million defender in mind to replace him. I still wouldn't do it mind. No way.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #666 on: July 31, 2012, 04:50:07 PM »
I'd hate Agger to leave, he's a proper football player, classy with the ball at his feet and a leader.

He's too important to the way we're going to play. I do think Wilson could be a similar player to him eventually, but Agger is a top quality player who we need to hang on to.

If we do need to sell either Agger or Skrtel, its a sorry state of affairs when we have to weak part of our "table" to strengthen different leg. This table is very wobbly.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #667 on: July 31, 2012, 05:24:14 PM »
yes but they made the money from the commercial side. Those signings were funded by the club's profitability itself.

I'm happy to be corrected, but as I remember it Martin Edwards borrowed a massive amount of money to bankroll that spending spree which is why he was desperate to sell, first to Maxwell, then to Knighton.

Between 88 and 91 they spent Ģ15.2m, their revenue in 1989 was apparently Ģ9.4m, today's equivalent would be what, spending half a billion on players over three years?

We weren't exactly being tightarses ourselves at the same time.

True, but that really was self generated.

Correct, they had more astute business men in place that realised early doors just what a cash cow the premiership would become.
And the 'class of 92'? going public ensured the money they made could be spent exploding OT, thus making more money for the future.

The notion that it was some sort of institutional wisdom on the part of united is a bit of a myth, after the family business of bribing public officials and selling condemned meat to school children fell on its arse Martin Edwards himself was only interested in lining his own pockets and spying on women in the toilets, it was Knighton (who was welcomed by their fans as a sugar daddy on the opening day of the 89-90 season) and Knighton alone who saw the sort of money there was to be made taking the piss out of fans.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #668 on: July 31, 2012, 06:01:21 PM »
I posted the same thing in the Skrtel thread a few months back but here goes again. Selling any first team player for any amount of money right now would be a huge mistake. To replace the likes of Pepe, Agger, Lucas, Johnson etc you need a) the cash to attract a world class player B) find that world class player who is at least as good as the one you're selling at a price less than you're getting for the out going player and c) be an attractive enough team to get the player to join. Now even with Agger going for 30mil I see points b and c being a bit of an issue.

Now replacing him with someone not quite as good would be all the excuse players need to decide its time to move. Let Agger go and I'd bet Skrtel requests to leave, I think Pepe would be gone in Jan at the latest, and so on. We have world class players who have put up with some real tough times with us, this summer is our only chance to convince them we are moving up where they want to be.

Good points. The last thing I want to see is us being backed in to a corner and forcing City or whoever to pay 25 million for him. Fine, we have the 25 million, but then what. It doesn't get any easier, and Agger, injuries aside, has been the bedrock of this defence for a good few years. We're going to go scrambling in to the market trying to find a like for like replacement. It just isn't going to happen. Arsenal found out early last season, that selling Fabregas and not replacing him with just as good a player is going to send the team backwards. If it wasn't for the heroics of Van Persie, they may well have missed out on the Champions League.

The thing is, if we let one of big players leave any other player who is of immense value to us will start questioning our vision. Eventually they will want to leave as well, and we'll see a ripple effect that could cripple us. What's Suarez going to think if we let Agger go for a huge fee? He's going to be questioning our ambition.

Until these rumours are swept aside, these doubts will always exist. As someone mentioned on the Anfield Wrap yesterday, it might take us 2-3 years to back in to the Champions League, and players like Agger may have decided that they can't afford to wait around for the team to get back there again. Especially at their age. That may actually be the case anyway, and if it is, there isn't much we can do. But what we can do is give our big players renewed contracts, and whatever wage they are looking for, within the limits of our boundaries. Agger is a premium player for us. The contract extension will prove that Agger is a premium player to the club, and that the club will do whatever is required to keep him here. That will be one statement of intent, and then supplement that by bringing in quality players that will help us get back further up the table quicker.

Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Johnson, Suarez are the most important cogs in our side. They are the lynchpins, and we must do everything we can to keep them. I'm not a believer in this theory that if get 25 million for Skrtel then we should accept it, and re-invest it in the team. Not unless something drastic happens, like it did with Torres. Past history as shown us we can't replace them effectively enough, and we're knocked backwards every time. Aquilani for Alonso, Carroll for Torres, Poulsen for Mascherano. We're not in a position to be competing at the top end of the market, where a Jovetic or someone of that ilk is queueing up outside Melwood to come here and be a replacement for Carroll. We don't have that pulling power currently, because we're not in the Champions League, and we're not willing to pay massive wages that will break the bank for one player. In fact we're reorganizing our wage structure anyway. The only way we can get back in to the Champions League is by keeping our crucial players and adding to them with other quality players, who are going to be difference makers.

Now, saying all this, I don't believe Agger is going anywhere, as some of the respected journalists have already dismissed the notion that we're prepared to sell him.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #669 on: July 31, 2012, 06:10:40 PM »
Good points. The last thing I want to see is us being backed in to a corner and forcing City or whoever to pay 25 million for him. Fine, we have the 25 million, but then what. It doesn't get any easier, and Agger, injuries aside, has been the bedrock of this defence for a good few years. We're going to go scrambling in to the market trying to find a like for like replacement. It just isn't going to happen. Arsenal found out early last season, that selling Fabregas and not replacing him with just as good a player is going to send the team backwards. If it wasn't for the heroics of Van Persie, they may well have missed out on the Champions League.

The thing is, if we let one of big players leave any other player who is of immense value to us will start questioning our vision. Eventually they will want to leave as well, and we'll see a ripple effect that could cripple us. What's Suarez going to think if we let Agger go for a huge fee? He's going to be questioning our ambition.

Until these rumours are swept aside, these doubts will always exist. As someone mentioned on the Anfield Wrap yesterday, it might take us 2-3 years to back in to the Champions League, and players like Agger may have decided that they can't afford to wait around for the team to get back there again. Especially at their age. That may actually be the case anyway, and if it is, there isn't much we can do. But what we can do is give our big players renewed contracts, and whatever wage they are looking for, within the limits of our boundaries. Agger is a premium player for us. The contract extension will prove that Agger is a premium player to the club, and that the club will do whatever is required to keep him here. That will be one statement of intent, and then supplement that by bringing in quality players that will help us get back further up the table quicker.

Reina, Agger, Skrtel, Lucas, Johnson, Suarez are the most important cogs in our side. They are the lynchpins, and we must do everything we can to keep them. I'm not a believer in this theory that if get 25 million for Skrtel then we should accept it, and re-invest it in the team. Not unless something drastic happens, like it did with Torres. Past history as shown us we can't replace them effectively enough, and we're knocked backwards every time. Aquilani for Alonso, Carroll for Torres, Poulsen for Mascherano. We're not in a position to be competing at the top end of the market, where a Jovetic or someone of that ilk is queueing up outside Melwood to come here and be a replacement for Carroll. We don't have that pulling power currently, because we're not in the Champions League, and we're not willing to pay massive wages that will break the bank for one player. In fact we're reorganizing our wage structure anyway. The only way we can get back in to the Champions League is by keeping our crucial players and adding to them with other quality players, who are going to be difference makers.

Now, saying all this, I don't believe Agger is going anywhere, as some of the respected journalists have already dismissed the notion that we're prepared to sell him.

I don't think we are going to sell him, i dont want us to sell him and i love him. However, if we get 25 million for a defender, i think we'll survive. We can bring in a good prospect defender like coates for less than 10 and spend 15 on a winger or whatever. We have 4 good cb's right now, going down to 3 won't kill us if we improve the first team overall, especially since I expect Agger to play 25 games in the league tops.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #670 on: July 31, 2012, 06:48:08 PM »
I don't think we are going to sell him, i dont want us to sell him and i love him. However, if we get 25 million for a defender, i think we'll survive. We can bring in a good prospect defender like coates for less than 10 and spend 15 on a winger or whatever. We have 4 good cb's right now, going down to 3 won't kill us if we improve the first team overall, especially since I expect Agger to play 25 games in the league tops.

25mil will mean two good players replacing one world class player, in our position we can't sign proven world class so shouldnt be selling the little we have. Who are our four good CBs? We have Agger (world class), Skrtel (very good), Coats (bags if potential but a long way to go), Carra (best years long behind him and Kelly (good RB, doesn't yet have the wisdom to be our CB)

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #671 on: July 31, 2012, 07:05:33 PM »
I don't think we are going to sell him, i dont want us to sell him and i love him. However, if we get 25 million for a defender, i think we'll survive. We can bring in a good prospect defender like coates for less than 10 and spend 15 on a winger or whatever. We have 4 good cb's right now, going down to 3 won't kill us if we improve the first team overall, especially since I expect Agger to play 25 games in the league tops.

The issue isn't whether he can be replaced, because he can... players by their very nature are finite - so eventually you have to replace them. But that doesn't always mean we should willingly force that issue, as it creates a headache.

What I have issues with when people talk about selling some of better players, arguing that with the proceeds we can invest in a number of positions, is that they are not taking into account the life cycle of the squad, ambitions of the club short, medium and long term.

What i mean by this can be highlighted by a few observations of current issues the club are experiencing and previous ones.

Last season we struggled to score goals, if we compromise the defence by selling Agger or Skrtel we could quite conceivably start to concede more. That's a headache i'm sure we're rather not have, considering we already have an almighty one in our forward positions.

I also recall a few years back, people argued vehemently against buying quantity over quality, because it diluted the overall ability of the squad and in games where that extra bit of ability was required we went missing (last piece of the jigsaw statements) - Which begs the question, how does selling a quality player with the argument that re-investing that money in a number of players put us in a better position? There is no guarantee that it will.

Life Cycle - at the ages both Agger and Skrtel are, they probably have around 5 seasons of real top quality football before they start a decline in their performances, age catches us all up. If we replace Agger with say Coates, it may be 3 or 4 seasons before he reaches a level that we would recognise with Daniel. By that time it's probable that players like Lucas, Suarez - certainly Gerrard, potential Reina, Johnson etc will all have left. So it offers little continuity.

Building a winning team is not only about have good quality players, but players reaching an optimum level of consistent performance at a similar time to their team mates. Just look at the West Ham team that later got relegated around a decade ago, it boasted lots of house hold names that have gone on to become successful. The club however wasn't.

My opinion, for what it's worth on our best players is simply - do everything we can in our power to keep them. If our owners really want to become more competitive, whilst prudent trimming of fat in our budgets is absolutely fine and should be endorsed, recycling a players value back into the squad because they're not prepared to invest the money required to build a successful team, is not.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #672 on: July 31, 2012, 07:09:57 PM »
Excellent post Red Genius.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #673 on: July 31, 2012, 07:13:03 PM »
This is bollox isnt it ?

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #674 on: July 31, 2012, 07:16:47 PM »
Yeah good post, and the fact it's City and rumours of the Spanish two in for him it shows you that it's really difficult to find a top quality CB in Europe at the moment. I will be gutted if he leaves, he's always stood up as one of us and fought for the shirt. It he goes to City that'd be even more hitting than if he went to Spain.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #675 on: July 31, 2012, 07:23:33 PM »
This is bollox isnt it ?



Can't see him goin to City myself.
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #676 on: July 31, 2012, 07:27:58 PM »
I think he'll stay too. Really hoping for an agreement of new contracts for him a Skrtel.

There was a lot of talk of Skrtel leaving to. What is he going to do if we flog his defensive partner?
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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #677 on: July 31, 2012, 07:29:51 PM »
Didn't we get rid of the people responsible for that? (Comolli and Kenny)

This doesnīt change the fact that it happened and that itīs the reason for our current position. Besides that it was happening before as well by people still being in a responsible position.

Just out of interest, who exactly would you say is responsible for that?

In the first summer after Rafa it was obviously Purslow trying to reshape the squad but itīs hard to imagine he did it all along his own thoughts on how the football side of LFC had to be changed. Ayre, our senior local players for sure had a say in the "rebuild" of the squad as well as there was simply nobody else around. Hodgson signed players which were promoted by Stevie and Carra himself, others shipped out for no obvious reasons and some went because of the football philosophy of Hodgson and good offers coming around (Mascherano, Torres).

After this it was the fault of the new owners to open a cheque book for a promoted scout for transfers in his FIRST summer without proper supervising from a proper board with an understanding of european football. Agents and club owners had a good laugh and made a lot of money as it was open cheque day at LiverpoolFC. No other top club would allow to act like that and I can only think of one example where similar things went on at a club (not as big though).

You only have to hope that itīs Rodgers by himself putting the squad together and not some people surrounding/within the club, agents trying to secure their cut or other, not football related intentions (worst case scenario).

Letīs just hope those "field days" are gone.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #678 on: July 31, 2012, 07:32:10 PM »
I guess it'll be up to Agger if a club comes in with an offer acceptable to the owners.  It'll be disappointing if he goes, because I think he does have an obvious affinity with the club, maybe not in the same way as a local growing up supporting the club, but prob moreso than most if not all of 'non local' players.  And for that reason I think he'd stay if 2 conditions were in place.  The club making enough 'hands off' signals to whoever is sniffing, and belief that the club is going places.

So reason enough to hope he stays right there. 

Think with the relatively recent departures of the likes of Alonso, Torres and Masch it's failry evident our status has somewhat shifted recently in terms of perception of outsiders.  We're much more of a 'selling club' than would have been the case say 5 yrs or so ago.

But i'd hate it if we simply became a feeder club to the likes of City or Chelsea.  Fuck me, doesn't bear thinking about.

There's been a fair bit of criticism of the club under FSG, and counter defences of their tenure.    Jury's out for me, and will wait until the end of the transfer window.  But have to confess it's all a bit worrying so far.

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Re: Daniel Agger
« Reply #679 on: July 31, 2012, 07:34:02 PM »
This is bollox isnt it ?

Of course it is, especially at the Ģ16m latest value City have put on him. Going to need doubling at least.

Until then, Ayre should just be shouting "FROSTIES" down the phone at Mancini.