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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2012, 09:40:49 AM »
We'll be that good at keeping the ball we won't need them.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2012, 09:50:05 AM »
Just have Joey and Stewie at the back.

Ha !

Might as well have Hughie and Dewie.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2012, 10:01:01 AM »
I expect first day of season we'll line up like


              Borini
Suarez                   Dempsey

 Allen                    Gerrard
             Lucas.


As does Rory Smith:

@RorySmithTimes replies "Theory is 4 - 3 - 3 with Allen - Lucas - Gerrard. #Suarez withdrawn left-sided striker, #Borini through middle.."

This leaves Downing, Carroll, Bellamy, Henderson, Adam, Aquilani, Cole on the bench or out the door. Cole says he's spoken to the manager and believes he is staying. (May not be an accurate interpretation of Rodgers's opinion, of course.) Rodgers's comments about Henderson suggest he will remain in the squad.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2012, 10:10:26 AM »
As does Rory Smith:

@RorySmithTimes replies "Theory is 4 - 3 - 3 with Allen - Lucas - Gerrard. #Suarez withdrawn left-sided striker, #Borini through middle.."

This leaves Downing, Carroll, Bellamy, Henderson, Adam, Aquilani, Cole on the bench or out the door. Cole says he's spoken to the manager and believes he is staying. (May not be an accurate interpretation of Rodgers's opinion, of course.) Rodgers's comments about Henderson suggest he will remain in the squad.

Over 400k a week in wages sat on the bench, and around 90m in transfer fees  :o

Brave new world. Can't see all of those staying and being content with sub/europa games as the meat of their playing time.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2012, 10:41:42 AM »
If any of those players are scared of losing their spot to what we have been linked with, or bought so far, they should probably question their profession.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #85 on: July 24, 2012, 11:09:31 AM »
I think Rodgers is an astute man: he'll be open to shipping out any or all of the Comolli/Kenny signings. From a self-interested, pragmatic point of view, he's got nothing to lose by telling FSG they were bad buys and will never suit his system, but a lot more to lose by insisting they are quality players who will come good under his guidance. He's stuck his neck out for Henderson; I don't see him sticking his neck out for many more. It's going to be pragmatism rather than idealism all the way with Carroll, Downing, Adam. Yet, if the offer isn't right on the expensive buys, they'll make up the squad until we judge it right to move them on. There also seems to be a certain amount of positioning going on: the Sigurdsson negotiations were a marker - at the same time as recrafting the squad, he's trying to bury our image as a soft touch. We're watching Rodgers edge across a metaphorical tightrope above a ravine.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #86 on: July 24, 2012, 11:24:32 AM »
I think Rodgers is an astute man: he'll be open to shipping out any or all of the Comolli/Kenny signings. From a self-interested, pragmatic point of view, he's got nothing to lose by telling FSG they were bad buys and will never suit his system, but a lot more to lose by insisting they are quality players who will come good under his guidance. He's stuck his neck out for Henderson; I don't see him sticking his neck out for many more. It's going to be pragmatism rather than idealism all the way with Carroll, Downing, Adam. Yet, if the offer isn't right on the expensive buys, they'll make up the squad until we judge it right to move them on. There also seems to be a certain amount of positioning going on: the Sigurdsson negotiations were a marker - at the same time as recrafting the squad, he's trying to bury our image as a soft touch. We're watching Rodgers edge across a metaphorical tightrope above a ravine.

It's quite a task for Rodgers.

We are approaching the end of July now, so it's plenty of time left for transfers. Would still want us to secure a couple of new players and I'd like us to arrange a few exits as well. Soon. To give us some buffer time. We don't want to make ten deals over the last few days, in panic.

I believe BR was right to stick his neck out for Henderson. Right now, JH has a good case for being first pick in CM. Be it in a 4-2-3-1 or a 4-3-3. I quite like the idea that we could switch between those two systems. It's primarily just about the rotation of the triangle for the three CMs. We'd need good, flexible players for the front three and this is necessary for us to address. We don't have the right quality at this moment.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #87 on: July 24, 2012, 11:30:58 AM »
Think we need to start thinking about how we use 13-14 players in the team for the 90mins as the days of just planning with 11 are well gone, so with that in mind and expected transfers, this is how I would see the first game:

First Half:

             Borini     
Suarez                 Dempsey

 Allen                    Gerrard

             Lucas.

Enrique Agger Skrtel Johnson
                Reina

Second Half (70-90mins)

                 Suarez
Bellamy                  Gerrard

 Allen                   Henderson
             Lucas.

Enrique Agger Skrtel Johnson
                Reina

Unless there are injuries, I can't see any of our defence changing throughout a match. The front "5" are going to be doing alot of work and some will tire more than most, so therefore think there will always be at least 2 substitutions. So Borini and Dempsey starting, then coming off in place of Bellamy and Henderson with Gerrard pushing up further alongside Suarez

Obviously this leads alot of players not figuring in the first game, but that is the reality. Most notable absent players for me personally would be Aquiliani (rate him very highly and want him to stay, but can see him heading somewhere else a week before the season starts again)
No places for Carroll, Downing, Cole, Shelvey, Pacheco, Adam, Spearing etc.etc
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #88 on: July 24, 2012, 11:37:32 AM »
Over 400k a week in wages sat on the bench, and around 90m in transfer fees  :o

Brave new world. Can't see all of those staying and being content with sub/europa games as the meat of their playing time.


it could be 60 games from just the league and Europa, then other cups of top of that, so plenty of time for the other midfielders to get playing time. The Thursday-Sunday issue also means we will probably play two different teams in a week.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #89 on: July 24, 2012, 11:59:05 AM »
                           Suarez

Borini                                                  Gerrard


               Allen                    Henderson

                            Lucas


Enrique                                             Johnson
                    Skrtel          Agger


                           Reina

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #90 on: July 24, 2012, 12:16:55 PM »
Adam and Cole could both play roles for us. But I think we like to debate one player here and there and it hides a real problem. We can always have room in the squad for a player like Adam, or a player like Cole, or a player like Jones, Gulasci, Wilson, Flanagan, Sterling, Morgan, Shelvey, Pacheco, Suso,... but we can't keep so many of them. That's the issue. We have a group of 15-20 players who are "handy", but not quite good enough for one reason or the other, where most have at least played for us, and some were bought for serious money. Then we have a small group of players who are our core.


Part of the problem is that there are a group of players (Downing, Adam, Henderson, Spearing) that offer so little they are in competition with the youths coming through (Shelvey, Pacheco, Sterling, Suso) who, while still raw, hardly look a level down from those players mentioned. If you look at the current squad, 5 or 6 have come through the reserves/youths, which is good. But the fact is that outside the first 11 there is a big drop off in quality to the point where any of the rest of the squad can rightly feel like they deserve a shot. Shelvey, for example last year, came back from loan, gave one look at the performers ahead of him and threw a strop because he wasn't getting in the side. What should happen with a strong squad is a heap of competition from 17-18 players for the first team slots and then another tier behind praying to get a look in on the lesser games. Instead what we have are 11 clear first teamers and then much of a muchness thereafter.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #91 on: July 24, 2012, 12:40:53 PM »
Part of the problem is that there are a group of players (Downing, Adam, Henderson, Spearing) that offer so little they are in competition with the youths coming through (Shelvey, Pacheco, Sterling, Suso) who, while still raw, hardly look a level down from those players mentioned. If you look at the current squad, 5 or 6 have come through the reserves/youths, which is good. But the fact is that outside the first 11 there is a big drop off in quality to the point where any of the rest of the squad can rightly feel like they deserve a shot. Shelvey, for example last year, came back from loan, gave one look at the performers ahead of him and threw a strop because he wasn't getting in the side. What should happen with a strong squad is a heap of competition from 17-18 players for the first team slots and then another tier behind praying to get a look in on the lesser games. Instead what we have are 11 clear first teamers and then much of a muchness thereafter.

Yes. The best we can hope for now is that we add to the eleven or so players of good enough quality. Get 2-3 extra this summer and then another 1-3 in January. And so on.

I'd support a brave approach, where we sold off Adam, Cole,... and decided to hand their roles to for example Shelvey, Pacheco etc. I know it's likely to fail. We will most likely not finish in top four. But we would have paved the way for new signings and we would get answers to how good the kids are. We would have cash and we would have sent the message that we'd rather go for hunger and potential instead of overpriced players who don't deliver enough. And should we fail, I'd still understand the idea and I'd have sympathy for such a choice of approach.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #92 on: July 24, 2012, 12:58:36 PM »
it could be 60 games from just the league and Europa, then other cups of top of that, so plenty of time for the other midfielders to get playing time. The Thursday-Sunday issue also means we will probably play two different teams in a week.

Let's hope that Brendan can convince the 'Cup' players that they aren't infact 'Cup' players, last thing we need is a Thursday team and a Sunday team, no surer way of developing a divide in the squad.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #93 on: July 24, 2012, 01:15:58 PM »
Let's hope that Brendan can convince the 'Cup' players that they aren't infact 'Cup' players, last thing we need is a Thursday team and a Sunday team, no surer way of developing a divide in the squad.


In all fairness, I can think of a few who wouldn't get a game in a fucking Sunday League team.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #94 on: July 24, 2012, 01:36:47 PM »
In all fairness, I can think of a few who wouldn't get a game in a fucking Sunday League team.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #95 on: July 24, 2012, 01:42:34 PM »
I really think Suarez will be the number 9. Borini has played wide in a 4-3-3 far more regularly than Suarez has in the last year.

Although there'll probably be a lot of interchanging anyway.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #96 on: July 24, 2012, 01:44:58 PM »
                           Suarez

Borini                                                  Gerrard


               Allen                    Henderson

                            Lucas


Enrique                                             Johnson
                    Skrtel          Agger


                           Reina

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Probably close to what we'll see with maybe Dempsey or Aquilani involved. And If the Rodge gets us champions league with that team then he'll be a great manager.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #97 on: July 24, 2012, 01:53:30 PM »
I don't think the squad is as bad as some may suggest.

Plenty of quality all over, would love to see Pacheco, Sterling and Suso promoted to the first team squad this season.

The only players who should probably be moved on are Adam, Downing, Spearing and Cole - if we could then get say Ł15m for the lot, I'd love us to try and get two top quality wide forwards. 

That would do very nicely.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #98 on: July 24, 2012, 02:17:34 PM »
I don't think the squad is as bad as some may suggest.

Plenty of quality all over, would love to see Pacheco, Sterling and Suso promoted to the first team squad this season.

The only players who should probably be moved on are Adam, Downing, Spearing and Cole - if we could then get say Ł15m for the lot, I'd love us to try and get two top quality wide forwards. 

That would do very nicely.
The problem is that the squad is not so much bad as mediocre. When Benitez left three years ago he had spent two years trying to keep an aging squad together with sticky tape. It was in a bad way after G&H had sucked the club dry. The problem was that the managers hence have not so much rectified the situation as arguably made it worse.

Hodgson brought in dross and the one decent player (Meireles) was let go. To give Hodgson some credit some decisions were forced on him (Mascherano) and some taken out of his hands (Torres). It meant that by the time Dalglish arrived, rather than inroads being made into the rejuvenation of the squad, instead he was faced with the task of getting rid of the Hodgson flops, rectifying the problems of 2008/9 and also stamping his own authority on the club.

That we are cheerfully talking of offloading most of his buys (and whatever was left over from Hodgson) is an indication of the problems facing the club in terms of playing staff. In truth the problems started 5 years ago when G&H started messing about have yet to be dealt with. Instead we are talking about needing a high turnover of new players, not old. We are still depending on the old Benitez cohort. The on saving grace (and not properly appreciated by some fans I believe) has been the success of the younger players coming through.

Players like Spearing (roundly disparaged) have come in and kept the club ticking over when the likes of Adam, Lucas and Gerrard were injured. Kelly and Flanagan coming in at RB and CB have also performed heroically, to help keep the club in good nick. Add Shelvey to the mix (though he, like Ngog - another performer during a tricky period - were youth buy-ins) and the real success of the last few years has been the academy, supplying enough talent to save spending 5-6 million on a handful of squad players who, under Benitez, would hardly have seen the light of day, but still been preferred over young academy hopefuls.

The challenge for Rodgers is to raise the overall standard of the squad but also give the youngsters like Pacheco, Sterling, Robinson and Suso more playing time. The fact that so many youngsters are on the cusp of a break through is credit to the youth system, but also indicative of where the club is. It also probably points to how mediocre the squad is overall. Rodgers, I feel, has to bring in one or two more players, but also start to make inroads into squad trimming.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #99 on: July 24, 2012, 03:22:43 PM »
How did we line up against Toronto on the weekend? Was it a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1?

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #100 on: July 24, 2012, 03:25:35 PM »
Reina
Johnson  Skrtel  Agger Enrique
Lucas  Allen
Gerrard
Borino      Bellamy
Suarez

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2012, 03:27:31 PM »
How did we line up against Toronto on the weekend? Was it a 4-3-3 or a 4-2-3-1?


4-5-1 i believe, which is why Eccleston and Morgan were pretty isolated

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #102 on: July 24, 2012, 03:30:41 PM »

4-5-1 i believe, which is why Eccleston and Morgan were pretty isolated

Looked like 4-3-3 to me

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #103 on: July 24, 2012, 03:30:57 PM »
4-5-1 i believe, which is why Eccleston and Morgan were pretty isolated

All the same thing really. Think Rodgers will want the striker to get himself involved in the game anyway. With Luis you know it won't be a problem, he'll be dropping in finding those pockets of space.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2012, 03:31:00 PM »


Out:

Adam
Amoo
Aquilani
Aurelio
Bellamy
Carroll
Cole
Doni
Downing
Ecclestone
Silva
Spearing

Loan
Coady
Robinson
Shelvey
Wisdom

Promote to first team squad (part of the 25)

Morgan
Sterling
Suso

In

Allen
Borini
+ 2 forwards
+ 1 Utility midfielder/defender

=============================================
===================Reina======================

=Johnson======Skrtel===========Agger======Enrique=

===================Lucas======================

=============Gerrard=======Allen================

=====Inside forward================Suarez=========

==================Borini=======================

Subs

Jones
Coates
Henderson
Kelly
Utility DM/defender
New forward
Sterling






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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #105 on: July 24, 2012, 04:57:26 PM »
Out:

Adam
Amoo
Aquilani
Aurelio
Bellamy
Carroll
Cole
Doni
Downing
Ecclestone
Silva
Spearing

Loan
Coady
Robinson
Shelvey
Wisdom

Promote to first team squad (part of the 25)

Morgan
Sterling
Suso

In

Allen
Borini
+ 2 forwards
+ 1 Utility midfielder/defender

=============================================
===================Reina======================

=Johnson======Skrtel===========Agger======Enrique=

===================Lucas======================

=============Gerrard=======Allen================

=====Inside forward================Suarez=========

==================Borini=======================

Subs

Jones
Coates
Henderson
Kelly
Utility DM/defender
New forward
Sterling

And when Gerrard gets injured, needs a rest? Aquilani is class and can play all three positons in the midfield 3. Let's keep him, see what he does for a season.

And what the hell, let's stop hiding Pacheco under the bed while we're at it. ;-)
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #106 on: July 24, 2012, 05:03:25 PM »
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #107 on: July 24, 2012, 05:05:07 PM »
                           Suarez

Borini                                                  Gerrard


               Allen                    Henderson

                            Lucas


Enrique                                             Johnson
                    Skrtel          Agger


                           Reina

- I hope.

You will not get enough goals from Allen, Henderson & Lucas.  You need someone more attacking in there.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #108 on: July 24, 2012, 05:19:06 PM »

Out:

Adam
Amoo
Aquilani
Aurelio
Bellamy
Carroll
Cole
Doni
Downing
Ecclestone
Silva
Spearing

Loan
Coady
Robinson
Shelvey
Wisdom

16 players to leave a squad in 1 summer?

When has that ever led a club to having success on the pitch?

Would be completely ridiculous.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #109 on: July 24, 2012, 05:33:42 PM »
Have we already signed Allen?

Gerrard won´t be able to play every game. Besides that rotation will be key, why people still think that we are overstuffed with 6 center midfielder is beyond me. Maybe not 6, but we definitely will need to have 5 around. 3 experienced ones and 2 youngsters..

In my opinion there should be

Lucas, Gerrard, Aquilani, Henderson, Shelvey and Allen if it should be happening.

around.

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #110 on: July 24, 2012, 05:35:09 PM »
16 players to leave a squad in 1 summer?

When has that ever led a club to having success on the pitch?

Would be completely ridiculous.

How many have actually played for us recently?

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #111 on: July 24, 2012, 06:37:10 PM »
The other night Shelvey seemed to play quite deep and used as a kind of playmaker switching play and going long at times.

I'm just wondering if Rodgers might shift Lucas forwards in a 4 3 3 partnering say Allen and have Gerrard in front of the back 4 as a deep lying playmaker similar to how Italy used Pirlo in the euros?
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #112 on: July 24, 2012, 06:43:35 PM »
Reina
Johnson  Skrtel  Agger Enrique
Lucas  Allen
Gerrard
Borino      Bellamy
Suarez

I'd be very happy with that, however I fear Bellamy might leave. 

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #113 on: July 24, 2012, 06:53:10 PM »
                  Reina
Johnson Skretl Agger Enrique
                  Lucas
              Allen  Stevie
     
        Dempsey    Suarez
                  Borini 


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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2012, 06:57:52 PM »
The other night Shelvey seemed to play quite deep and used as a kind of playmaker switching play and going long at times.

I'm just wondering if Rodgers might shift Lucas forwards in a 4 3 3 partnering say Allen and have Gerrard in front of the back 4 as a deep lying playmaker similar to how Italy used Pirlo in the euros?

Would be a terrible waste imo, and that midfield would offer very little going forward

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #115 on: July 24, 2012, 07:03:47 PM »
                                                              Reina
 
                    Johnson                Skrtel                  Agger         Enrique

                                                            Lucas
                                 Henderson                                 Allen

                                                          Gerrard

                                          Borini                        Suarez

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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2012, 07:06:37 PM »
Really excited to see what Downing can provide us with this term. It took a poor first season at Villa (albeit after injury) to come to the level of consistency that made us purchase him.

Be nice to have a confident, consistent Downing.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2012, 07:33:32 PM »
Let's hope that Brendan can convince the 'Cup' players that they aren't infact 'Cup' players, last thing we need is a Thursday team and a Sunday team, no surer way of developing a divide in the squad.


There would have to be overlap between the two 'teams' out of practicality, plus some players might do better if they know they are focusing on one specific tournament.

Clubs have had distinct teams for different competitions for years and it doesn't seem to be a problem.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #118 on: July 24, 2012, 08:29:07 PM »
Craig Douglas Bellamy is gone I feel, there was another link to him leaving in the guardian this morning, this time to qpr and we can probably get 3 or 4 million for him. If we got Dempsey he's surplus to requirement and could help pay off that bill by moving on.
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Re: How do you see us lining up next season? (includes departures talk)
« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2012, 08:55:31 PM »
Borini
Suarez                     Walcott/Dempsey
Allen - Gerrard
Lucas
Enrique - Agger - Skrtel - Johnson
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