Author Topic: BR 'would consider' Carroll loan move (Read 20266 times)

ocecynwa · « **Reply #200 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:50:06 PM »

We have short memories. Aside from a couple games at the end of last season big Andy has been pure crap for us. Sod loaning him out, sell him for whatever we can get.

something awful · « **Reply #201 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:50:18 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 05:30:26 PM

So when he was absolutely shit we kept him...

...but now he's finally stepped up and showed what an unplayable beast he can be, our new inexperienced at the top level manager without even seeing the lad kick a ball in training, is already talking about possibly loaning him out.

You literally couldn't make this shit up. Liverpool FC, routinely shooting itself in the foot since 1991.

Couldn't agree more. He deserves another year at least.

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #202 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:51:45 PM »

Well I know I'd be happier if he prioritised casting a big black cloud over the Anfield futures of Downing, Adam, Cole and Spearing first.

Bob Sacamano · « **Reply #203 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:53:57 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 05:48:08 PM

I think it's safe to say he gets off on being his own man, the big cheese, and may even actually invite controversial decisions in order to "prove" himself.

Pop-Psychology 101 FTW

Finn Solomon · « **Reply #204 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:55:02 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 05:51:45 PM

Well I know I'd be happier if he prioritised casting a big black cloud over the Anfield futures of Downing, Adam, Cole and Spearing first.

TBF he wasn't asked about them. Except Cole I think.

Lenin · « **Reply #205 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:56:43 PM »

Quote from: ocecynwa on July 10, 2012, 05:50:06 PM

We have short memories. Aside from a couple games at the end of last season big Andy has been pure crap for us. Sod loaning him out, sell him for whatever we can get.

Most of the team were pure crap last season.

evie · « **Reply #206 on:** July 10, 2012, 05:58:01 PM »

Quote from: Andy @ Allerton on July 10, 2012, 10:55:21 AM

If we loan Andy Carroll out at this juncture when he's showing promise, determination and skill then we're stupider than I thought.

No666 · « **Reply #207 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:05:00 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 05:48:08 PM

Actually, many a true word said in jest. Having seen Rodgers' moves so far, even in just renegotiating the terms and giving Ayre a wedgie at the press conference when the DOF subject came up, I think it's safe to say he gets off on being his own man, the big cheese, and may even actually invite controversial decisions in order to "prove" himself.

The display of strength from a weak ego? God I hope you're wrong rossi. There's a lot to suggest otherwise imo.

shockwave_dave · « **Reply #208 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:05:04 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 05:30:26 PM

So when he was absolutely shit we kept him...

...but now he's finally stepped up and showed what an unplayable beast he can be, our new inexperienced at the top level manager without even seeing the lad kick a ball in training, is already talking about possibly loaning him out.

You literally couldn't make this shit up. Liverpool FC, routinely shooting itself in the foot since 1991.

He stepped up a bit, but I certainly wouldn't describe his level as anything beast-like yet.

Agree with the stupidity on loaning him out though. Think there is more to come from him

apocalypse · « **Reply #209 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:05:37 PM »

Sounds like Carroll been told if he doesn't put in the effort he's out. Don't see anything wrong with that

1892tillforever · « **Reply #210 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:12:23 PM »

What a rubbish move that would be. Isn't exactly a vote of confidence for the lad is it? Mind you, this might be utter shite so no sense in being irate unless it actually comes to pass.

HarryLabrador · « **Reply #211 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:16:32 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 05:30:26 PM

So when he was absolutely shit we kept him...

...but now he's finally stepped up and showed what an unplayable beast he can be, our new inexperienced at the top level manager without even seeing the lad kick a ball in training, is already talking about possibly loaning him out.

You literally couldn't make this shit up. Liverpool FC, routinely shooting itself in the foot since 1991.

I couldn't have put it better. This is such a risky public performance by BR.

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #212 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:16:53 PM »

Quote from: No666 on July 10, 2012, 06:05:00 PM

The display of strength from a weak ego? God I hope you're wrong rossi. There's a lot to suggest otherwise imo.

Don't see where I suggest he has a weak ego? If anything the opposite, so we're in agreement there.

Noted he's come out today about Sigurdsson "making excessive wage demands" which he refused to sanction, despite the loss of face involved. If that's what happened of course.

Anywhichwayucan · « **Reply #213 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:20:08 PM »

Hopefully we accept none of the impending, misery offers.

I hope Rodgers' openness with the press, doesn't continue down this route, and instead, he keeps his cards in his pocket.

Lenin · « **Reply #214 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:21:38 PM »

Quote from: apocalypse on July 10, 2012, 06:05:37 PM

Sounds like Carroll been told if he doesn't put in the effort he's out. Don't see anything wrong with that

Doing it at a press conference, you see nothing wrong with that?

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #215 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:23:05 PM »

Quote from: Anywhichwayucan on July 10, 2012, 06:20:08 PM

I hope Rodgers' openness with the press, doesn't continue down this route, and instead, he keeps his cards in his pocket.

Likely you'll be disappointed. After the old regime of Kenny (rightly) giving the media the finger, Rodgers with Chang hovering over his shoulder, will front the open family-friendly journo-welcoming face of FSG's Liverpool FC.

Bakez0151 · « **Reply #216 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:26:09 PM »

he's going to end up selling him for aba £10mil and then he'll score two hatricks against us or something wont he

i like big andy and think he is a beast, but why the fuck did we buy him

Vidocq · « **Reply #217 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:28:44 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 06:23:05 PM

Likely you'll be disappointed. After the old regime of Kenny (rightly) giving the media the finger, Rodgers with Chang hovering over his shoulder, will front the open family-friendly journo-welcoming face of FSG's Liverpool FC.

you serious?

rocco · « **Reply #218 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:39:27 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 06:23:05 PM

Likely you'll be disappointed. After the old regime of Kenny (rightly) giving the media the finger, Rodgers with Chang hovering over his shoulder, will front the open family-friendly journo-welcoming face of FSG's Liverpool FC.

can still do that without telling them anything

Saying Carroll could go out on loan was a big mistake

apocalypse · « **Reply #219 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:43:28 PM »

Quote from: Lenin on July 10, 2012, 06:21:38 PM

Doing it at a press conference, you see nothing wrong with that?

All he said was he has spoken to Carroll and he knows where he stands, no?
And in any case, after all the shit performances Carroll had last season I would not shed a tear if he got sold.

rossipersiempre · « **Reply #220 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:45:56 PM »

Quote from: rocco on July 10, 2012, 06:39:27 PM

can still do that without telling them anything

Saying Carroll could go out on loan was a big mistake

Quite.

And I completely agree, and said as much earlier. Ill-advised and counter-productive.

UntouchableLuis · « **Reply #221 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:47:57 PM »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on July 10, 2012, 06:26:09 PM

he's going to end up selling him for aba £10mil and then he'll score two hatricks against us or something wont he

i like big andy and think he is a beast, but why the fuck did we buy him

Same with Aquilani though isn't it. If we loan out £55 million pounds worth of players then I will despair.

If Rodgers really doesn't see Carroll fitting into his plans then he should sell him rather than loan- loaning him out will achieve absolutely nothing. I'd go as far as to say it would be fucking stupid.

Bakez0151 · « **Reply #222 on:** July 10, 2012, 06:57:13 PM »

Quote from: UntouchableLuis on July 10, 2012, 06:47:57 PM

Same with Aquilani though isn't it. If we loan out £55 million pounds worth of players then I will despair.

If Rodgers really doesn't see Carroll fitting into his plans then he should sell him rather than loan- loaning him out will achieve absolutely nothing. I'd go as far as to say it would be fucking stupid.

I'm inclined to agree. I assume the only reason we'd loan him out is to increase his value, he's not suddenly going to become suited to BR's plans a year on, when it should be more advanced towards his ideal philosophy than now. If he doesn't fit in now he won't ever. But the thing is once you loan someone out it signals that you don't want him and then you're never going to get a decent offer because it shows your desperate to get rid. Then, worst scenario, if he does have another shocking season he'll come here as an outcast no-one wants to touch.

Passmaster Molby · « **Reply #223 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:03:00 PM »

The only question Rodgers needs to ask is "will Andy Carroll be able to fit into our style of play and philosophy?" and he clearly has his doubts.

When you play the way Rodgers wants us to you need a striker who is mobile, energetic and willing to make dozens of runs which may not result in him getting the ball, but will pull defenders about and open space for others. He needs to be able to have a turn of pace, good technical ability and be able to chase lost causes. To me, that doesn't get the best out of Andy Carroll as he wants the ball into his feet or head and then bring people into play - in essence a classic target man who stays central and suits a direct game.

I don't find it surprising that we may consider letting him go and it would possibly best for Carroll himself to go out and get first team football elsewhere. No point keeping him on the bench and letting him get frustrated, and if he is out playing for a team who gets the best out of him he will retain or even increase his value.

thew · « **Reply #224 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:07:47 PM »

My personal take from that press conference is that we have secured a deal for a new striker - now need to get AC off the books, we can't find a buyer at the right price, so are now looking to send him on loan so that he can (hopefully) score goals in a system that plays to his strengths... we have seen with Aquilani that this is no guarantee of retaining the value of a player... but its a better option than having our record signing get minimal game time next season...

I could be completely wrong (and probably am!), but that's because, like almost everybody else I have no real clue as to what is really happening, I'm just trying to use the evidence to hand... but I will definitely give Rodgers a lot more credit than the majority of posters in this thread so far... this is part of a coherent strategy to change the style and philosophy of the team.. he's not making this shit up as he goes along!

Very little respect being shown to our new manager.

Melbred · « **Reply #225 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:09:29 PM »

Quote from: Passmaster Molby on July 10, 2012, 07:03:00 PM

The only question Rodgers needs to ask is "will Andy Carroll be able to fit into our style of play and philosophy?" and he clearly has his doubts.

When you play the way Rodgers wants us to you need a striker who is mobile, energetic and willing to make dozens of runs which may not result in him getting the ball, but will pull defenders about and open space for others. He needs to be able to have a turn of pace, good technical ability and be able to chase lost causes. To me, that doesn't get the best out of Andy Carroll as he wants the ball into his feet or head and then bring people into play - in essence a classic target man who stays central and suits a direct game.

I don't find it surprising that we may consider letting him go and it would possibly best for Carroll himself to go out and get first team football elsewhere. No point keeping him on the bench and letting him get frustrated, and if he is out playing for a team who gets the best out of him he will retain or even increase his value.

I agree with this. Although, if we managed to sell him, and the money allowed Rodgers to get a striker he actually wants, Carroll should be sold - regardless of value.

Les Willis · « **Reply #226 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:10:23 PM »

You get the impression that Carroll doesn't fit into the Rodgers system. Maybe the loan option is to ship him off somewhere that does suit his style, where you hope he'd be successful which could then push his sell on value up.

Kage · « **Reply #227 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:11:03 PM »

If we loan him out, it will be ridiculous. If we loan him to Milan, it will be farcical.

xavidub · « **Reply #228 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:16:05 PM »

If true, this is ridiculous imo. We have kept him when he was unfit and non performing and now when he is starting to show some form we may loan him out even though we are inadequately provided with strikers and desperately short of goals. If he does go on loan, no doubt we will pay his wages as well.

Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose

Gitsy606 · « **Reply #229 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:16:10 PM »

Quote from: rocco on July 10, 2012, 06:39:27 PM

Saying Carroll could go out on loan was a big mistake

Where did he say this?

TomDcs · « **Reply #230 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:18:27 PM »

Quote from: Kage on July 10, 2012, 07:11:03 PM

If we loan him out, it will be ridiculous. If we loan him to Milan, it will be farcical.

Possibly but only massively if there's a stupidly small option to buy at the end. We're not going to get anything like what we want if we sell now, so it's hardly a risk loaning him out as he's unlikely to go down in value. Put simply, if he doesn't fit the new system right now then why not give us and him a chance to improve himself and his value. We're all dubious of loaning players out because of recent experiences but it may actually work in this instance.

xavidub · « **Reply #231 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:19:12 PM »

We also shouldn't be even thinking about letting anyone go until we have got in the players to replace them.

Chalky Boots · « **Reply #232 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:20:03 PM »

Good player, not arsed whether he stays,goes or is loaned.

Lost better strikers in the past and I've had as little emotion over seeing them leaving.

TomDcs · « **Reply #233 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:21:46 PM »

Quote from: xavidub on July 10, 2012, 07:19:12 PM

We also shouldn't be even thinking about letting anyone go until we have got in the players to replace them.

It sounds like we've got plenty of targets so who knows, Rodgers doesn't appear stupid. If the rumours of Maxi going are true (?) then we may be able to re-balance the squad with a few really top notch signings.

Crimson_Tank · « **Reply #234 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:21:55 PM »

Quote from: xavidub on July 10, 2012, 07:19:12 PM

We also shouldn't be even thinking about letting anyone go until we have got in the players to replace them.

There is no disagreeing with that, our past transfers are reason enough to apply this system, let alone common sense.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #235 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:22:30 PM »

Quote from: rossipersempre on July 10, 2012, 05:30:26 PM

So when he was absolutely shit we kept him...

...but now he's finally stepped up and showed what an unplayable beast he can be, our new inexperienced at the top level manager without even seeing the lad kick a ball in training, is already talking about possibly loaning him out.

You literally couldn't make this shit up. Liverpool FC, routinely shooting itself in the foot since 1991.

Agreed. It literally makes no sense for us to sell him. We wouldn't get a better replacement.

Also agree on your sentiments on the likes of Downing, Adam, Spearing and co that should go before Andy does.

geoffstrong 1937-2013 RIP · « **Reply #236 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:22:52 PM »

very little respect or wisdom being shown by Rogers towards one of his players,

A lot of bluster though, a lot of total me a big man mentality from Rogers, and if thats the way he operates he had better deliver or he will rightly get hammered by the fans!

Kage · « **Reply #237 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:25:53 PM »

Quote from: TomDcs on July 10, 2012, 07:18:27 PM

Possibly but only massively if there's a stupidly small option to buy at the end. We're not going to get anything like what we want if we sell now, so it's hardly a risk loaning him out as he's unlikely to go down in value. Put simply, if he doesn't fit the new system right now then why not give us and him a chance to improve himself and his value. We're all dubious of loaning players out because of recent experiences but it may actually work in this instance.

I can't see it. We will get mugged off. Either keep him, or sell and take the hit. We are not a charity.

xavidub · « **Reply #238 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:25:54 PM »

Quote from: TomDcs on July 10, 2012, 07:21:46 PM

It sounds like we've got plenty of targets so who knows, Rodgers doesn't appear stupid. If the rumours of Maxi going are true (?) then we may be able to re-balance the squad with a few really top notch signings.

As we have seen, no sooner do we identify targets than some other club comes in and offers CL football or more money. So 'having plenty of targets' means nothing

Virna · « **Reply #239 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:26:11 PM »

Quote from: xavidub on July 10, 2012, 07:19:12 PM

We also shouldn't be even thinking about letting anyone go until we have got in the players to replace them.

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