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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #240 on: July 8, 2012, 03:07:56 AM »
The Beatles were an English rock band formed in Liverpool in 1960, becoming one of the most commercially successful and critically acclaimed acts in the history of popular music.

On 9 September 2009, the band's entire back catalogue was reissued following an extensive digital remastering process that lasted four years.

LFC shirts sell, and always will. The global brand of LFC is huge, and will be for as long as they are seen to be a "challenging" club.

If you want to make money in this game, sell shirts. Tradition only lasts so far in terms of success on the pitch. But, when your tradition and history is equal with The Beatles, success isn't a necessity to keep the money rolling in. It's merely a bonus.

If FSG are genuinely keen to have us eating at the top table, then Rodgers needs the investment in the summer.

But will, and do they need to do that though? No, not really.

Why do we think the Beatles reissued those songs ?
Did they need to ?
Id argue not, but to stay in the Psyche , as a reminder, it was done, it sustains there success.
I think that could be applied with regards to this documentary.
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« Reply #241 on: July 8, 2012, 03:22:57 AM »
We're all aware money talks and increasing investment streams in the club will benefit us on and off the pitch, its just some of us wish it wasnt at the expense of losing who we are as a club a team a family.

We lost that years ago mate.
Those who are dead against it, thats fair enough, its your right to be and I for one respect that, however,
through no fault of the owners, and let me just say once again im very sceptical of them, football changed its face many years ago,
we were involved in that process, very heavily with Noel White and Parry at the PL meetings and proposals, we wanted more for ourselves
, we got greedy too.
With this accepted we have to play ball im afraid. Its commendable that many want to salvage something of our traditions and philosophy's from era's passed but does it mean not trying to keep up and doing whats best for the club ?
God knows we'd all still love LFC as much as we do be it in League 3 or lower again, we'd follow them with the same verocity and defend our own with the same loyalty, but im afraid we are where we are, and this is how the club wanted it to be, we sold our soul many moons ago, its not something you can recapture, but what we can do is try and go about our business with a bit of class, a bit if dignity and try to look forward whilst remembering how we got here today.

Its just a few video's, its not going to make or break the club, its nothing in the big scheme of things and so with that in mind lets just make our choices by either watching it or not, but lets stick together for the 90 minute battles that are around the corner, I for one cant wait for that.

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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #242 on: July 8, 2012, 03:23:39 AM »
The name John wasn't clue enough eh? Never mind, Mastermind might be out of your league then but there's always the chance to match wits with the mental heavyweights out there on things like Big Brother.

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« Reply #243 on: July 8, 2012, 04:04:56 AM »
I'm curious. To those who so violently oppose this idea, have any of you watched similar programming such as the 24/7 series?

Also, do you hold the same stance regarding any of the things we see on LFC TV? It's going to be the exact same things we see on there, but with a bit more access and infinitely more production value. Are we selling our souls when BR gives an interview and it's posted online for all to see? Or when we allow cameras into the changing tunnel before, during, and after a match against City? Or when we film training and then post ten minute clips of it on YouTube? Or when we follow some of the ressies on a charity outing and follow it up with an article containing pics galore? What do you think is going to be so different about this documentary?

If you're fearful that they're going to do anything in detail about Kenny's departure then I don't think you really understand what these shows are about. They don't operate on the grand scale for drama, but rather on minute details and interactions of a global sporting outfit. There will be far more about Luis' popularity in the dressing room and his inaccurate portrayal in the media due to the Evra situation than there will be about Kenny's sacking. The same goes for Sterling's attempt to break into the team and Carra's acclimation to the end of his playing days and Coates adaptation to English life.

I really struggle to understand what people think this is going to be and what they are so fearful of. If you're open to the idea, I'd highly recommend you find an episode of any one of the 24/7: Road to the Winter Classic seasons and check it out. I think you'll enjoy it even if you're not a hockey fan and it will give you a much better understanding of what we're likely to see with this production. If you still oppose it after that then fair play. I'm just not sure what there is to dislike so vehemently. It's all the same stuff we pay to see with our LFC TV subscriptions (assuming you have one), but with the backing of a world-class production unit.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #246 on: July 8, 2012, 05:31:17 AM »

On the whole, I agree with this. The show isn't to shit stir or portray people connected to the club in a negative light. It'll focus on the positives and even if their is too much of a 'spin', we'll get to see what goes on behind the doors. I don't see this as 'The Liverpool Way' (whatever that is now) being ruptured at all, it just gives us an insight. That's just my opinion, though.

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« Reply #247 on: July 8, 2012, 06:07:51 AM »
Well said Vork.  Honestly, I don't think this will reveal much at all in the grander scheme of things.  It'll be a bit like what you spoke about dressing room interactions and so on.  The role of the kit man perhaps ?  What happens when the kit man forgets Carroll's socks ?  Find out as we return from this break. 

I'm not too interested in this documentary but PaulR has been quite impressed by things and he has been working with the crew so I suppose I'll watch the first episode and if its any good, I'll continue or I'll bin it.  Doesn't make any difference to me. 
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #249 on: July 8, 2012, 07:00:17 AM »
Yep you may have a point here.  But fact remains that the vast majority of revenue to a club such as Liverpool comes from a combination of ticket sales at the game coupled with the Sky TV revenue.  Yep merchandise sales abroad are important and a growing trend, but I and thousands of others have just a couple of weeks ago given LFC millions to simply sit in some investment account and generate interest.  I.e. we're paying up to a year in advance for tickets via season tickets.

Recent actions have like it or not alienated (that's maybe a bit strong, let's say disappointed) a lot of match going and more importantly from owners viewpoint, direct and immediate revenue generating supporters, through the treatment of the last manager.

I really hope Rodgers succeeds.  I like the guy, and was impressed most by Swansea last season by any away team at Anfield, and that obviously includes Arsenal, Chelsea, Utd and City, simply by the way they played football.

But I'll be honest.  I'm still fuming at the way they discarded Kenny after backing him publically (via Werner).  I hope they have some sort of long term vision, and aren't simply in it for short term gain.

I agree with most of that. But having a global fan base is what makes Standard Chartered, Warrior, Carlsberg, and others (hopefully many others) pony up to sponsor the club.

That said, the best way to make more Liverpool fans is to win the Premier League and Champions League again!

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« Reply #250 on: July 8, 2012, 07:11:07 AM »
I think they'll show the manager transition quickly and respectfully, and the show will be interesting.  Some people just like to have a moan...

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« Reply #251 on: July 8, 2012, 08:01:33 AM »
For those supporters not living in America and therefore unfamiliar with the 24/7 HBO program, let me just put your fears to rest. This is the furthest thing from an exploitative PR move.

This series will enlighten the youngest generation of football fans around the world that missed LFC in its greatest era and therefore have little concept of just how historic and steeped in tradition this club is.

It will also allow every football fan, LFC fan or not, to get to know our players on a personal level and it will create a more personal relationship between supporter and footballer not enjoyed by almost any other club.

I am extremely excited about the impact this series will have across the world, but most especially in America where all you see are united, chelsea, and arsenal douches roaming the streets of the footballing world over here.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #252 on: July 8, 2012, 08:05:31 AM »
The horror. After all we have done and been through, we are no better than the Kardashians.

Hang your reality TV heads in shame if you have any left. Mersey Shore c*nt bags we are becoming.

Worst. Fucking. Idea. Ever.

Big shout to vivabobbygraham, John_mac, and TSC who have aired many feelings and sentiments I share regarding this. Anyone in favour of this TV show (with once in a lifetime, LFC player/manager legend sacked in glorious HD!!) doesn't get it. At all.

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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #253 on: July 8, 2012, 08:13:45 AM »
If it's going to be like 24/7 it's going to be great for the club, shame though hardly (I guess less than 1% of the people on this board) have seen that series and all think about those fake reality shows like the Kardashians when it comes to these kind of shows. We don't know what it's going to be like, so let's wait and see and then judge. Though I guess in todays world, that's a hell of a lot to ask from most people.

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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #254 on: July 8, 2012, 08:18:05 AM »
For those supporters not living in America and therefore unfamiliar with the 24/7 HBO program, let me just put your fears to rest. This is the furthest thing from an exploitative PR move.

This series will enlighten the youngest generation of football fans around the world that missed LFC in its greatest era and therefore have little concept of just how historic and steeped in tradition this club is.

It will also allow every football fan, LFC fan or not, to get to know our players on a personal level and it will create a more personal relationship between supporter and footballer not enjoyed by almost any other club.

I am extremely excited about the impact this series will have across the world, but most especially in America where all you see are united, chelsea, and arsenal douches roaming the streets of the footballing world over here.

What a load of absolute tosh.

This whole concept is an embarrassment. If you want the club to have a more personal relationship with the fans, they could start by addressing key concerns about ticket structure, they could help take charge of the Anfield regeneration project and they could treat club legends with a bit of respect.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #255 on: July 8, 2012, 08:30:20 AM »
The horror. After all we have done and been through, we are no better than the Kardashians.

Hang your reality TV heads in shame if you have any left. Mersey Shore c*nt bags we are becoming.

Worst. Fucking. Idea. Ever.

Big shout to vivabobbygraham, John_mac, and TSC who have aired many feelings and sentiments I share regarding this. Anyone in favour of this TV show (with once in a lifetime, LFC player/manager legend sacked in glorious HD!!) doesn't get it. At all.

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Yes because all reality TV is exactly like the Kardashians or Jersey Shore.  ::)

Some people need to get off their high horses and instead of jumping the gun with criticism how about actually wait for the show to be released before making assumptions?

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« Reply #256 on: July 8, 2012, 08:49:23 AM »
Moaners gonna moan.

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« Reply #257 on: July 8, 2012, 08:53:16 AM »
This thread should be merged with the original 'reality TV' one as its basically the same argument taking place again.

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« Reply #258 on: July 8, 2012, 08:54:04 AM »
Agree with bork regarding content and impact...it will be low key and probably low on revelation, maybe some nice insights on personalities

However, it smacks of small time publicity, adding nothing to our "brand" or stature...it is not required and comes at a time when our stock is at it's lowest.....I would prefer the owners got on with restoring the club's structures and effectiveness, enabling the manager to compete on as level a playing field as possible......and said nothing about it until we saw some rewards of their work

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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #259 on: July 8, 2012, 08:57:18 AM »

Yeah, episode 1 ends on the humiliation of a Liverpool legend over in Boston.


You've got to love this forum more drama queens than all the soaps put together.
Or have I misjudged you and not realised you were invited to view the first episode and therefore are stating irrefutable fact!
Don't like the idea of this documentary? - which is not the first of its kind even on this side of the Atlantic - then don't watch.
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« Reply #260 on: July 8, 2012, 09:00:16 AM »
Yes because all reality TV is exactly like the Kardashians or Jersey Shore.  ::)

Some people need to get off their high horses and instead of jumping the gun with criticism how about actually wait for the show to be released before making assumptions?

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« Reply #261 on: July 8, 2012, 09:29:33 AM »
Getting just too much all this talk of us having 'sold our soul' long ago.

They can play games with the brand of the club as much as they want, but in 100 years when the smoke clears and football falls from grace like all things eventually do there will still be a loyal band of supporters wearing the Liverbird with as much pride as anyone who came before them. You can't buy and sell true loyalty.

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« Reply #262 on: July 8, 2012, 09:43:03 AM »
This thread should be merged with the original 'reality TV' one as its basically the same argument taking place again.

Yeah because it is still valid Paul, tv producers produce programmes to be watched and in the US to sell advertising slots, they do this not by portraying the boring dull facts or even the truth, they do it by sensationalising the facts and embellishing them to make it easier to sell to the advertisers and the viewers who will watch it like an onlooker at a hanging.
This will not give us anything we don't know it will be a sanitised view of how good FSG are at making tough decisions for the good of our fans, in short total very partial spun bollocks of the highest order!

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« Reply #263 on: July 8, 2012, 10:09:19 AM »
For the series to have any really validity for me it would have to be warts and all in which you are not getting a sugar coated party political broadcast by Fenway. That then brings up why would you want to air your dirty linen in public personally I just see the TV show as a lose lose.

The people it will more than likely attract to the Club are the type of fans I don't want within a million miles of the Club.

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« Reply #264 on: July 8, 2012, 10:41:26 AM »
The people it will more than likely attract to the Club are the type of fans I don't want within a million miles of the Club.

& probably wouldn't go within a million miles of the club or city, but would still feel justified to classify themselves as 'Liverpool fans', because the've got a pair of Warrior undies.
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« Reply #265 on: July 8, 2012, 10:57:37 AM »
but in 100 years when the smoke clears and football falls from grace

You need to take out a zero from that statement

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« Reply #266 on: July 8, 2012, 11:04:42 AM »
Yes because all reality TV is exactly like the Kardashians or Jersey Shore.  ::)

Some people need to get off their high horses and instead of jumping the gun with criticism how about actually wait for the show to be released before making assumptions?

It's not even reality TV in that sense, it's a bloodey documentary. It's like comparing Louis Theroux to Kim Kardashian.
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« Reply #267 on: July 8, 2012, 11:08:30 AM »
This thread should be merged with the original 'reality TV' one as its basically the same argument taking place again.

actually it would be better if it was torn up and put down the shitter
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« Reply #268 on: July 8, 2012, 11:15:22 AM »
It's not even reality TV in that sense, it's a bloodey documentary. It's like comparing Louis Theroux to Kim Kardashian.

Its clear that some on here have never seen any of the DOCUMENTARIES the makers(who happen to be the best in the business) have made. I think there are people on here who actually believe it'll be a cross between Big Brother and Desperate Scousewives!  :butt

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« Reply #269 on: July 8, 2012, 11:31:14 AM »
Its clear that some on here have never seen any of the DOCUMENTARIES the makers(who happen to be the best in the business) have made. I think there are people on here who actually believe it'll be a cross between Big Brother and Desperate Scousewives!  :butt

Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't the main issue people are having here not the quality or type of documentary this is, but just the fact it's happening at all?

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« Reply #270 on: July 8, 2012, 12:00:41 PM »
For the series to have any really validity for me it would have to be warts and all in which you are not getting a sugar coated party political broadcast by Fenway. That then brings up why would you want to air your dirty linen in public personally I just see the TV show as a lose lose.

The people it will more than likely attract to the Club are the type of fans I don't want within a million miles of the Club.


Forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't the main issue people are having here not the quality or type of documentary this is, but just the fact it's happening at all?

both of these posts convey everything i feel about this shit idea,
 mind you shows how far the fanbase has been suckered by them, can you imagine cecil a while back saying guess what we decided to have a doc series on the last 24 months of H&G ownership including the removal of a club legend, this place would have rightly been in meltdown!

Now this shower can treat another legend like shit film it and we are supposed to lap it up as a worthwhile project to do for our benefit, yeah it may help the guys over the pond see more of what goes on here, but frankly if they want to know more read a bloody book, I recommend a few based on Mr Shankly to start their education might help.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #271 on: July 8, 2012, 12:16:57 PM »
I'm curious. To those who so violently oppose this idea, have any of you watched similar programming such as the 24/7 series?

Also, do you hold the same stance regarding any of the things we see on LFC TV? It's going to be the exact same things we see on there, but with a bit more access and infinitely more production value. Are we selling our souls when BR gives an interview and it's posted online for all to see? Or when we allow cameras into the changing tunnel before, during, and after a match against City? Or when we film training and then post ten minute clips of it on YouTube? Or when we follow some of the ressies on a charity outing and follow it up with an article containing pics galore? What do you think is going to be so different about this documentary?

If you're fearful that they're going to do anything in detail about Kenny's departure then I don't think you really understand what these shows are about. They don't operate on the grand scale for drama, but rather on minute details and interactions of a global sporting outfit. There will be far more about Luis' popularity in the dressing room and his inaccurate portrayal in the media due to the Evra situation than there will be about Kenny's sacking. The same goes for Sterling's attempt to break into the team and Carra's acclimation to the end of his playing days and Coates adaptation to English life.

I really struggle to understand what people think this is going to be and what they are so fearful of. If you're open to the idea, I'd highly recommend you find an episode of any one of the 24/7: Road to the Winter Classic seasons and check it out. I think you'll enjoy it even if you're not a hockey fan and it will give you a much better understanding of what we're likely to see with this production. If you still oppose it after that then fair play. I'm just not sure what there is to dislike so vehemently. It's all the same stuff we pay to see with our LFC TV subscriptions (assuming you have one), but with the backing of a world-class production unit.

Another pile of condescending shizer from someone who just doesn't get what the fuss is about. The Americanisation of our club is in overdrive now and this nonsense accelerates the process.

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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #272 on: July 8, 2012, 12:19:48 PM »
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #273 on: July 8, 2012, 12:31:03 PM »
I'm curious. To those who so violently oppose this idea, have any of you watched similar programming such as the 24/7 series?

Also, do you hold the same stance regarding any of the things we see on LFC TV? It's going to be the exact same things we see on there, but with a bit more access and infinitely more production value. Are we selling our souls when BR gives an interview and it's posted online for all to see? Or when we allow cameras into the changing tunnel before, during, and after a match against City? Or when we film training and then post ten minute clips of it on YouTube? Or when we follow some of the ressies on a charity outing and follow it up with an article containing pics galore? What do you think is going to be so different about this documentary?

If you're fearful that they're going to do anything in detail about Kenny's departure then I don't think you really understand what these shows are about. They don't operate on the grand scale for drama, but rather on minute details and interactions of a global sporting outfit. There will be far more about Luis' popularity in the dressing room and his inaccurate portrayal in the media due to the Evra situation than there will be about Kenny's sacking. The same goes for Sterling's attempt to break into the team and Carra's acclimation to the end of his playing days and Coates adaptation to English life.

I really struggle to understand what people think this is going to be and what they are so fearful of. If you're open to the idea, I'd highly recommend you find an episode of any one of the 24/7: Road to the Winter Classic seasons and check it out. I think you'll enjoy it even if you're not a hockey fan and it will give you a much better understanding of what we're likely to see with this production. If you still oppose it after that then fair play. I'm just not sure what there is to dislike so vehemently. It's all the same stuff we pay to see with our LFC TV subscriptions (assuming you have one), but with the backing of a world-class production unit.

You know Ice Hockey is my second sport and these docs   you talk about where deemed as misrepresenting the true nature of the NHL and glossing over some of the better aspects about the game and the experience for the fans in trying to make it palatable to the casual viewer. This was at least the view in most of the fan forums that I frequent which is in the UK but also a couple of US east and west coast teams as well.

It must easy from your lofty view to miss the fact that we little people down here know the difference between a decent documentary than Geordie Shore, or any other exploitative reality bullshit programme.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #274 on: July 8, 2012, 12:37:29 PM »
For the series to have any really validity for me it would have to be warts and all in which you are not getting a sugar coated party political broadcast by Fenway. That then brings up why would you want to air your dirty linen in public personally I just see the TV show as a lose lose.

The people it will more than likely attract to the Club are the type of fans I don't want within a million miles of the Club.

Perfect summary for me - there's no good can come of this.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #275 on: July 8, 2012, 12:46:57 PM »
Perfect summary for me - there's no good can come of this.
There is also very little bad that can come from it. 
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #276 on: July 8, 2012, 12:48:27 PM »
I'm just watching for now. Won't say much....

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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #277 on: July 8, 2012, 12:50:36 PM »
Perfect summary for me - there's no good can come of this.

haha!

Yeah and the HBO 24/7 boxing documentaries don't sell any extra tickets or pay-per-views buys either  :P

Do you think the inner workings of our amazing club are so bad, so toxic, such an embarrassment that there's nobody around the world who'll see this program and think better of our club. Even god forbid maybe start supporting us.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #278 on: July 8, 2012, 01:03:34 PM »
There is also very little bad that can come from it. 

Who knows what affect the TV cameras being around had on preparations for games or on the team spirit of the group. The players should be concentrating on winning Football matches not on performing for the cameras. Football Clubs operate best when they get into routines and prepare for games in the same way.

Does anyone honestly think Ferguson would allow the cameras into United's inner sanctum not in a million years. Some people come across well on TV and some people don't that will create a resentment between the players and little things that are not shown in context will escalate within the confines of a dressing room.

The best teams have a siege mentality where it is us against them how can you foster that kind of spirit with a TV crew following your every move.
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Re: "Our Liverpool" Documentary
« Reply #279 on: July 8, 2012, 01:07:44 PM »
Someone tell me what the point actually is. And don't tell me about the relationship with fans, that's utter bullshit.
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