Topic: Lucas Leiva - Up and Running

[trail182]

I know it's been discussed before but how impressive is it that he's gone from being generally slated by fans to being one of the most respected players we have.

Impressive also that he just seems to have picked up from where he was pre-injury.  Obviously he may be lacking in match fitness atm but his compusre and approach in these recent games can't be questioned.  I've seen many players show more signs of 'rustyness' after 3 weeks out, let alone several months!

and yes... I soiled my kecks when he went down too!

[mysterio_86]

*sigh* If only. Same kind of calmness, but just not Xabi.

Get over him

[lgvkarlos]

How good did the boy look when he came on Wow. Nothing flash just great reading of the game and the right ball at the right time.
Give it one season and the Madrid and Barca links will start.

[-Daws-]

Despite the fact that Lucas took Henderson's spot as Gerrard was already farther forward. 

I think he meant that because Lucas came on, Gerrard was more inclined to push forward, whereas in the first half (for whatever reason) Stevie was dropping incredibly deep and literally taking the ball off the defenders toes. Once Lucas came on we looked more balanced and Gerrard got nearer to Borini, who looked isolated all game.

Felt sorry for Borini as it goes as he worked his nuts off, his movement was good, but the only type of ball he was given was long and over the top (often Stevie looking for hollywood pass) and we didn't support him at all. Looked lonely, but fair play to him for never giving up. 

Gerrard was poor. Sloppy in possesion, dropped too deep, didn't give Borini any support and was so predictable playing long balls over the top when easier and better passes were on, and not many (any?) of these came off. Looked better with Lucas' arrival.

Sterling did well, beat his man a few times and looked threatening with his pace. He's got a long way to go but the lad clearly has buckets of potential.

Spearing and Henderson did okay, but weren't really good enough. Carra actually did alright and I see far less hoofed passes than usual, which is always a good thing. Jones did enough, no mistakes and a clean sheet.

Shame about Cole, but he was bound to get injured at some point.

Oh, and like everyone else, propper shit myself when Lucas went down, then saw the contact and breathed a sigh of relief that it was clearly only a dead leg.

[mulhergremista]

No, because he's Lucas.

Thank the lord for that, won't you forget Alonso ?  If you can't, go to the Real Madrid forum or to the Spanish NT forum.  He left Liverpool because he wanted too, so let be it, concentrate in the one that stayed in spite of all that he suffered here.

[Anywhichwayucan]

<3 Lucas.

[leivapool]

So I'm reading through the Joe Cole thread and I find this gem from Sangria:

"(Lucas is) finished now as a first 11 player, raul came on and showed what, pace drive and the ability to play a quick pass. lucas is going to battle it out with poulsen for the dm role and given that roy bought poulsen lucas is going to be getting splinters in his arse for the next while."
Clonsilla Red, 12th September 2010
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=261115.msg7393248#msg7393248

Great judge of players, that Clonsilla Red.

So I click on the thread Sangria linked too - It's incredible reading. . I just browsed a few pages before and after the page it opens on.  It's unbelievable that less than two years ago posters spouted such utter shite.  Seriously, worth a read and then jump into the Henderson thread - the similarities are truly uncanny, not in the players, just in the short-termist idiotic posts to be found.

Shame users can change their usernames as plenty of people are shamed on that Lucas thread, and probably the many others around from that period.  How things change in less than 2 years eh?!

[Clonsilla Red]

So I'm reading through the Joe Cole thread and I find this gem from Sangria:

So I click on the thread Sangria linked too - It's incredible reading. . I just browsed a few pages before and after the page it opens on.  It's unbelievable that less than two years ago posters spouted such utter shite.  Seriously, worth a read and then jump into the Henderson thread - the similarities are truly uncanny, not in the players, just in the short-termist idiotic posts to be found.

Shame users can change their usernames as plenty of people are shamed on that Lucas thread, and probably the many others around from that period.  How things change in less than 2 years eh?!

I was gladly proved wrong by the lad. and posted similar after as well.
Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« on: October 31, 2010, 08:28:17 PM »
I will admit i have been a big critic of Lucas over the last couple of years.
His performances on the last 2 matches have been excellent and I am happy to eat humble pie.
Keep it up lad. doing really well I think Raul suits him as a partner.
I'm big enough to hold my hands up and say I called it wrong about Lucas in the past. Really hope the lad can find the form he had before his injury last year, I'm going with my bro to the arsenal match in sep (my first match in a couple of years) and I'll be cheering my heart out for him and the team.

[joezydudek]

So I'm reading through the Joe Cole thread and I find this gem from Sangria:

So I click on the thread Sangria linked too - It's incredible reading. . I just browsed a few pages before and after the page it opens on.  It's unbelievable that less than two years ago posters spouted such utter shite.  Seriously, worth a read and then jump into the Henderson thread - the similarities are truly uncanny, not in the players, just in the short-termist idiotic posts to be found.

Shame users can change their usernames as plenty of people are shamed on that Lucas thread, and probably the many others around from that period.  How things change in less than 2 years eh?!

It never ceases to amaze me what ridiculous nonsense people wrote about Lucas. Admittedly he didn't fully adapt at first, but there were always signs he could develop into a decent player and by the 2010/11 season it should've been pretty obvious. But no, apparently Danny Murphy was better ffs!

[Matt8Pie]

So I'm reading through the Joe Cole thread and I find this gem from Sangria:

So I click on the thread Sangria linked too - It's incredible reading. . I just browsed a few pages before and after the page it opens on.  It's unbelievable that less than two years ago posters spouted such utter shite.  Seriously, worth a read and then jump into the Henderson thread - the similarities are truly uncanny, not in the players, just in the short-termist idiotic posts to be found.

Shame users can change their usernames as plenty of people are shamed on that Lucas thread, and probably the many others around from that period.  How things change in less than 2 years eh?!

[lorenzo23]

I was gladly proved wrong by the lad. and posted similar after as well.
Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« on: October 31, 2010, 08:28:17 PM »
I will admit i have been a big critic of Lucas over the last couple of years.
His performances on the last 2 matches have been excellent and I am happy to eat humble pie.
Keep it up lad. doing really well I think Raul suits him as a partner.
I'm big enough to hold my hands up and say I called it wrong about Lucas in the past. Really hope the lad can find the form he had before his injury last year, I'm going with my bro to the arsenal match in sep (my first match in a couple of years) and I'll be cheering my heart out for him and the team.

fair play

[leivapool]

I was gladly proved wrong by the lad. and posted similar after as well.
Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Lucas in Brazil Squad
« on: October 31, 2010, 08:28:17 PM »
I will admit i have been a big critic of Lucas over the last couple of years.
His performances on the last 2 matches have been excellent and I am happy to eat humble pie.
Keep it up lad. doing really well I think Raul suits him as a partner.
I'm big enough to hold my hands up and say I called it wrong about Lucas in the past. Really hope the lad can find the form he had before his injury last year, I'm going with my bro to the arsenal match in sep (my first match in a couple of years) and I'll be cheering my heart out for him and the team.

Sorry I should have been more clear, Sangria did indeed pick you up specifically, but my point was more a general one about a whole raft of people writing the poor lad off and yet less than 2 years later his thread couldn't be more different. 

It's also interesting to see who did write Lucas off? Some of the usual usual short-signted ignorant jerks as to be expected (Fordy et al who are now writing the same things about Henderson), but others on there surprised me a bit if I'm honest.  Some sterling work by Sangria and HBHR who always knew the lad would be a crucial player for us.......well in lads!

Maybe there's a lesson to be learnt for everyone here, about writing young players off prematurely,

[the_red_pill]

Hehe - look at these gems!:

This thread proves one thing...how far our standards and expectations have fallen when people are still making excuses for Lucas..I have made my views known for a long time about him...he is not and never will be good enough for Liverpool...'everyone is out of step except my johnny' comments/excuses are laughable...

You put Lucas in a team with 'movement' like Barca, Spain, Brazil, Argentina and you will see the real genius of Lucas.

He wouldnt even get in Barca's B team so I do know how you can say that mate.

No just regurgitating some the the views on here, I'm with you on Lucas. I don't see the point of Lucas full stop. I think Danny Murphy would add more to our midfield then him.

Wouldnt go as far as that but he is fucking average.
Dont care if he is a Brazil International player or not. For Liverpool FC he is average and we need better.

 
Henderson anyone..?

[Clonsilla Red]

Sorry I should have been more clear, Sangria did indeed pick you up specifically, but my point was more a general one about a whole raft of people writing the poor lad off and yet less than 2 years later his thread couldn't be more different. 

It's also interesting to see who did write Lucas off? Some of the usual usual short-signted ignorant jerks as to be expected (Fordy et al who are now writing the same things about Henderson), but others on there surprised me a bit if I'm honest.  Some sterling work by Sangria and HBHR who always knew the lad would be a crucial player for us.......well in lads!

Maybe there's a lesson to be learnt for everyone here, about writing young players off prematurely,

that's fair enough I'm big enough and ugly enough to take my medicine as well.
What you say re Henderson is true about people writing him off, instead of being knee jerk about a bad game he has I'm always looking for the positives now and can see there's definitely a talented boy there particularly if he's played centrally.

[mtred1984]

Lucas getting stick early in his career here only drives him to become what he is today. Shows the lad had a burning desire to prove people wrong when he's doubted. So I think a bit of praise to those who questioned his selection, he'd be no where near the level he's at now if it wasn't for that  shite he got

[the_red_pill]

Lucas getting stick early in his career here only drives him to become what he is today. Shows the lad had a burning desire to prove people wrong when he's doubted. So I think a bit of praise to those who questioned his selection, he'd be no where near the level he's at now if it wasn't for that  shite he got

Yip- the keyword here is questioned- not "pulversing" or "humiliate". Lucas is a different animal to many other players. He was born with that attitude- most people are not.

[leivapool]

Lucas getting stick early in his career here only drives him to become what he is today. Shows the lad had a burning desire to prove people wrong when he's doubted. So I think a bit of praise to those who questioned his selection, he'd be no where near the level he's at now if it wasn't for that  shite he got

Er no.  I think you've misunderstood.  It's not the criticism of aspects of Lucas's game from back then that was the issue.  It was the jerks who made categorical assertions that the lad wasn't good enough, and never would be.  The 'posters' who just didn't 'get' what Lucas was all about, despite others trying to educate them a little...........

[AisoD]

Lucas getting stick early in his career here only drives him to become what he is today. Shows the lad had a burning desire to prove people wrong when he's doubted. So I think a bit of praise to those who questioned his selection, he'd be no where near the level he's at now if it wasn't for that  shite he got

Agree. I never doubted Lucas' talent for a moment but no one can deny the critics are what made him into the player he is. And the best part is, the support he eventually earned through his own sweat and tears means he'll appreciate that support a lot more than the others who had the love of the fans before kicking the ball in a red shirt.

[the_red_pill]

Agree. I never doubted Lucas' talent for a moment but no one can deny the critics are what made him into the player he is. And the best part is, the support he eventually earned through his own sweat and tears means he'll appreciate that support a lot more than the others who had the love of the fans before kicking the ball in a red shirt.

There's a saying that goes something like this- If you can't support us when we're losing, don't support us when we're winning.

That says it all. Lucas didn't need the stick he got, he's a big boy and was captain at every level before he came to Liverpool- hell, he even captained grown men when he was at Gremio. He would've been fine, since one of the strength of a leader is self-regulation. You're giving these people way too much credit, which they don't deserve. If it was up to these people, he would've been gone. They weren't screaming for improvement, they wanted him gone!

[Hazell]

So players to boo next season then - Henderson, Borini, Sterling, Kelly, Robinson. Struggling to think of any more but if we keep it up, in a few years, we'll be unbeatable.

[scatman]

So I'm reading through the Joe Cole thread and I find this gem from Sangria:

So I click on the thread Sangria linked too - It's incredible reading. . I just browsed a few pages before and after the page it opens on.  It's unbelievable that less than two years ago posters spouted such utter shite.  Seriously, worth a read and then jump into the Henderson thread - the similarities are truly uncanny, not in the players, just in the short-termist idiotic posts to be found.

Shame users can change their usernames as plenty of people are shamed on that Lucas thread, and probably the many others around from that period.  How things change in less than 2 years eh?!

hah, that poulsen thread, i was the lone ranger arguing he was shite.

[AisoD]

 

There's a saying that goes something like this- If you can't support us when we're losing, don't support us when we're winning.

That says it all. Lucas didn't need the stick he got, he's a big boy and was captain at every level before he came to Liverpool- hell, he even captained grown men when he was at Gremio. He would've been fine, since one of the strength of a leader is self-regulation. You're giving these people way too much credit, which they don't deserve. If it was up to these people, he would've been gone. They weren't screaming for improvement, they wanted him gone!

I may give them credit but I expect most would rather forfeit that credit than be known as one of those idiots who can't tell their arse from their elbow. Anyone who knows their football could see Lucas was a natural footballer. And the one's that couldn't, well I'm sure the player that Lucas has turned into has humbled them a little. I hope.

[the_red_pill]

So players to boo next season then - Henderson, Borini, Sterling, Kelly, Robinson. Struggling to think of any more but if we keep it up, in a few years, we'll be unbeatable.

Yip, I think in light of this "new revelation", we need to drastically change our approach to development and integration into the team:

The first few months of a player's career here is going to be hell. We're going to have to grill them and create a hostile environment for them while making them feel that they're not wanted. When they turn out well- and "evidence" suggests they will, we can support them.

[the_red_pill]

I may give them credit but I expect most would rather forfeit that credit than be known as one of those idiots who can't tell their arse from their elbow. Anyone who knows their football could see Lucas was a natural footballer. And the one's that couldn't, well I'm sure the player that Lucas has turned into has humbled them a little. I hope.

Hope so too mate. Let's hope Henderson sticks around and turn into the player we think he can be.

[AisoD]

Yip, I think in light of this "new revelation", we need to drastically change our approach to development and integration into the team:

The first few months of a player's career here is going to be hell. We're going to have to grill them and create a hostile environment for them while making them feel that they're not wanted. When they turn out well- and "evidence" suggests they will, we can support them.

It's a test of character. Helps to separate the shithouses from the winners.

As i said before, it wouldn't surprise me if Lucas appreciates the support he receives from Liverpool fans much more than he would have if he'd received it instantly. He knows he earned it and that's something very valuable.

[Sangria]

There's a saying that goes something like this- If you can't support us when we're losing, don't support us when we're winning.

That says it all. Lucas didn't need the stick he got, he's a big boy and was captain at every level before he came to Liverpool- hell, he even captained grown men when he was at Gremio. He would've been fine, since one of the strength of a leader is self-regulation. You're giving these people way too much credit, which they don't deserve. If it was up to these people, he would've been gone. They weren't screaming for improvement, they wanted him gone!

I thought his confidence visibly grew from two sources of support. Firstly, Mano Menezes, who selected him for Brazil even when Poulsen was getting picked ahead of him for Liverpool (good enough to be Brazil's lynchpin, not good enough for Liverpool). His first "monster" game, where he was the centre of everything his team did, was for Brazil, at a time when he wasn't in the Liverpool 1st XI. Secondly, his twitter account. This allowed his fans, which were quite numerous and more importantly devoted, to communicate their support directly to him, without needing to filter through the media who were almost universally hostile to him. He became comfortable with his status as a Liverpool 1st XI player, even though mainstream opinion was still dismissive of him, and I credit these two sources of support for that.

[Gallardo]

I thought his confidence visibly grew from two sources of support. Firstly, Mano Menezes, who selected him for Brazil even when Poulsen was getting picked ahead of him for Liverpool (good enough to be Brazil's lynchpin, not good enough for Liverpool). His first "monster" game, where he was the centre of everything his team did, was for Brazil, at a time when he wasn't in the Liverpool 1st XI. Secondly, his twitter account. This allowed his fans, which were quite numerous and more importantly devoted, to communicate their support directly to him, without needing to filter through the media who were almost universally hostile to him. He became comfortable with his status as a Liverpool 1st XI player, even though mainstream opinion was still dismissive of him, and I credit these two sources of support for that.

Yep. And Benitez, who put his faith in him and carried on playing him even when many fans and the media did not like his performances and gave him stick.

[CHOPPER]

If it wasn't for me being ace and backing him to be the the greatest thing since the internal combustion engine, he'd still be playing football for Liverpool FC. Honest, check all my posts......

I also predicted Sean Dundee wouldn't make it and I also knew Peter Purves had a thing for a Leslie Judd, but thats not footy, so it doesn't count.

2 for 2! read them and weep losers..... 2 for 2!


You'll be gutted when this shits gone

[RedinExile]

If it wasn't for me being ace and backing him to be the the greatest thing since the internal combustion engine, he'd still be playing football for Liverpool FC. Honest, check all my posts......

I also predicted Sean Dundee wouldn't make it and I also knew Peter Purves had a thing for a Leslie Judd, but thats not footy, so it doesn't count.

2 for 2! read them and weep losers..... 2 for 2!


You'll be gutted when this shits gone

Yeh, but you didn't have to be Nostradamus to see the lads talent, and let's face it, in the 'getting it wrong' gold medal stakes your place in the Olympic village is already cemented in stone

[kelly34]

Can't wait for this http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/lucas-ready-for-special-day

[Lenin]

Strange that we are signing Joe Allen for £15 million (which I have got no problem with, btw, welcome Joe) and yet for the last 5 years we have been arguing about Lucas Leivas value in the transfer market!

[lorenzo23]

Strange that we are signing Joe Allen for £15 million (which I have got no problem with, btw, welcome Joe) and yet for the last 5 years we have been arguing about Lucas Leivas value in the transfer market!

Cause RAWK said Lucas was shit?

[Lenin]

Cause RAWK said Lucas was shit?

Unfair that mate, I'd say Lucas had the vast majority of his support off Rawk, imo.

[jckliew]

Welcome back, Luc.............

[Matt8Pie]

Did he get a big reception before kick off?

[y2w902]

Boy have we missed this lad. Superb first start, don't think  many of us were expecting him to be at that level by now did we?

[RojoLeón]

Unfair that mate, I'd say Lucas had the vast majority of his support off Rawk, imo.

Maybe - but the vast majority of rawk wasn't in support of Lucas. There was a minority of vocal support on here but they were a small minority. What does that say about the majority of Liverpool fans, that there were only a tiny few (on one website) who backed and rated him?

[Sensational_Raul]

war lucas

Liverpool Captain 2015 Believe.

[Danny_]

I don't think he put a foot wrong.  I was worried that he might not be the same player as pre-injury but it is looking good.  We won't know for sure until he makes it through the first few games of the season.

[Danny_]

Maybe - but the vast majority of rawk wasn't in support of Lucas. There was a minority of vocal support on here but they were a small minority. What does that say about the majority of Liverpool fans, that there were only a tiny few (on one website) who backed and rated him?

I don't think it says anything about us - you can find muppets all over the internet and they are the ones who normally shout loudest.