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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #160 on: July 6, 2012, 05:51:00 PM »
Did well to deduce that before he even read it. Maybe he is pudgy?

I never called anyone racist btw.
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #161 on: July 6, 2012, 05:54:01 PM »
But what relevance does it have whatsoever whether he's pudgy or not?

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #162 on: July 6, 2012, 06:00:41 PM »
Exactly. Why would a person immediaitely think "i bet everyone will be blabbing on about descrimination" from that one sentence.


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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #163 on: July 6, 2012, 06:01:20 PM »
Maybe he is pudgy?



See? He even looks like he should be locked up for life.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #164 on: July 6, 2012, 06:03:42 PM »


See? He even looks like he should be locked up for life.



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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #165 on: July 6, 2012, 06:08:45 PM »
Jesus Christ, LF was simply pointing out that what should be an unbiased article is couched in language used to illicit sympathy for the armed robber, that's it.

(unless I read you wrong and you're really a massive racist, LF :wave ;))

i have been known to defend racist bastards like Suarez and harbhajan singh  :boxhead

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #166 on: July 6, 2012, 06:10:43 PM »
I'm not, I'm a bigot. We hate everyone.

Seriously, though. Are there any crimes which you feel don't merit execution or a life sentence?

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #167 on: July 6, 2012, 06:10:53 PM »
Did well to deduce that before he even read it.

thanks

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I never called anyone racist btw.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #169 on: July 6, 2012, 06:14:32 PM »
I like how all evil can be traced back to Reagan.
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #170 on: July 6, 2012, 06:15:07 PM »
Is that per capita? What happened in 1980?

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #171 on: July 6, 2012, 06:15:48 PM »
From here on in its all FSG's doing. Good or bad they will stand or fall by the decisions they have made in the summer of 2012. Lets hope they have gotten it right.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #172 on: July 6, 2012, 06:16:07 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings

At least they are getting punished, however light they may be seen. Initially when the news broke, it seemed to me a cover up was on its way and that the perpetrators would be let of with a slap on wrist. In anycase, I ardently hope that there is hell - I am serious, I won't mind suffering a bit over there (I am no Gandhi) if it meant vile creatures like them rot for ever.


How can you go through such a gruesome incident and immediately dismiss it? Maybe legally it is, but that shows how stupid the system is.

EDIT: Related to the first quote - the kingpin got life. Does that mean 25 yrs or for ever?
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #173 on: July 6, 2012, 06:18:48 PM »
Is that per capita? What happened in 1980?

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #175 on: July 6, 2012, 06:19:59 PM »
Is that per capita? What happened in 1980?
Wiki says....

Number of inmates. 1920 to 2006.[1][2] (absolute numbers) General US population grew only 2.8 times in the same period, but the number of inmates increased more than 20 times

Looks like a growing business....
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #176 on: July 6, 2012, 06:21:14 PM »

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #177 on: July 6, 2012, 06:22:10 PM »
Must be good money in it. Maybe I should make the spare room a cell.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #178 on: July 6, 2012, 06:25:18 PM »


Number of prisoners per 100,000 population in 2009, by gender and race.

Of course, this leads to tremendous societal problems. When a family loses a father, a husband or a son to prison terms of pisstake proportions, the family breaks down. The older folks don't have the support of their offspring when they need them. The younger folks grow up without fathers. Lots of pressure is placed upon the mothers, sisters and remaining family members.

It's a system that feeds upon itself.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #179 on: July 6, 2012, 06:27:23 PM »
fact what?

Fact that I never called you a racist ye fecking lunatic.
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #180 on: July 6, 2012, 06:28:55 PM »
Must be good money in it. Maybe I should make the spare room a cell.

You need to think big. Forget about the spare room.

Buy a plot of land. Build a prison that can house 500 inmates. Approach your state officials and tell them you have space for 1500 inmates. Charge $50 an inmate per day. Feed them shit food and stuff them 3 to a cell to cap your costs at $25 per head.

Hey presto, you're making $37,500 per day, or about $13.6million a year.

I know some conservative bankers who could float you the initial loan to cover the cost of construction.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #181 on: July 6, 2012, 06:29:16 PM »
Fact that I never called you a racist ye fecking lunatic.

haha allright. still the wording of your posts were very suspect  ;D

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #182 on: July 6, 2012, 06:29:31 PM »
At least they are getting punished, however light they may be seen. Initially when the news broke, it seemed to me a cover up was on its way and that the perpetrators would be let of with a slap on wrist. In anycase, I ardently hope that there is hell - I am serious, I won't mind suffering a bit over there (I am no Gandhi) if it meant vile creatures like them rot for ever.

How can you go through such a gruesome incident and immediately dismiss it? Maybe legally it is, but that shows how stupid the system is.

I agree, and I am glad that Green in particular will never be released from custody - premeditated, fully conscious of his actions and without remorse. He executed each of her family before shooting a child (whom he and his friends had repeatedly gang raped) in the head before setting fire to the lower half of her body to destroy the evidence. He said that he didn't consider the Iraqis to be human.

By contrast, this young man, Quartavious, has been similarly sentenced and will never be released. By contrast, he didn't harm anyone and didn't seemingly even have the wit or cognitive ability to grass his co-conspirators: Upon whose testimony, the entire prosecution's case lay.

25 yrs with no chance of parole would be a harsh sentence. Condemning him to die behind bars is ridiculous and wasteful.
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #183 on: July 6, 2012, 06:30:38 PM »
I'll begin the search for a lot of land. Commercially zoned, naturally.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #184 on: July 6, 2012, 06:31:08 PM »
I'll begin the search for a lot of land. Commercially zoned, naturally.

Excellent. What state do you live in, by the way?

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #185 on: July 6, 2012, 06:32:49 PM »
Tx. So I'll have to have a big fucking generator aswell.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #186 on: July 6, 2012, 06:34:22 PM »
haha allright. still the wording of your posts were very suspect  ;D

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #187 on: July 6, 2012, 06:36:25 PM »
Tx.

That's brilliant, couldn't have worked out better. I have run the model again based on your state, and determined that you can get away with 2500 inmates in a space meant for 500, and you can reduce your costs to $10 a head instead of $50. You can net $36million dollars a year.



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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #188 on: July 6, 2012, 06:40:28 PM »
Ok, regardless of race etc and wether he was as fat arsed as our Dava , does anyone here honestly think 162 years inside for what he did is appropriate. Yes or no?
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #189 on: July 6, 2012, 06:43:12 PM »
Ok, regardless of race etc and wether he was as fat arsed as our Dava , does anyone here honestly think 162 years inside for what he did is appropriate. Yes or no?

Hell no.

Locking up someone who isn't legally old enough to buy a beer for the rest of his life is fucking mind-bogglingly stupid. It costs too much money, it laughs at the concept of rehabilitation, it breaks up families, it makes prisons more violent, and it has no effect on either reducing crime or incarceration rates.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #190 on: July 6, 2012, 06:50:02 PM »
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #191 on: July 6, 2012, 06:50:58 PM »
Hell no.

Locking up someone who isn't legally old enough to buy a beer for the rest of his life is fucking mind-bogglingly stupid. It costs too much money, it laughs at the concept of rehabilitation, it breaks up families, it makes prisons more violent, and it has no effect on either reducing crime or incarceration rates.

On the plus side, he may not have fathered any children yet so no broken home.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #192 on: July 6, 2012, 06:55:10 PM »
Is Tent City still open?

Fourty cents per day per inmate on food! What's he feeding them, sand tacos?

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #193 on: July 6, 2012, 06:58:34 PM »
Fourty cents per day per inmate on food! What's he feeding them, sand tacos?

He, or someone, must be making a hell of a profit.
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #194 on: July 6, 2012, 07:03:28 PM »
He, or someone, must be making a hell of a profit.

Well maybe, but aren't you assuming volume? I mean, for Sheriff Joe to be able to make a profit, there has to be a *lot* of prisoners, right? Otherwise, he's only making a couple of bob per illegal immig...

Oh.

But wait - sentencing also has to be long, coz otherwise, they would build this massive prison and then have a lot of vacanc...


Oh.

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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #195 on: July 6, 2012, 07:09:49 PM »
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #196 on: July 6, 2012, 07:30:52 PM »
Ok, regardless of race etc and wether he was as fat arsed as our Dava , does anyone here honestly think 162 years inside for what he did is appropriate. Yes or no?

Not a fucking chance
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #197 on: July 6, 2012, 07:33:44 PM »
Ok, regardless of race etc and wether he was as fat arsed as our Dava , does anyone here honestly think 162 years inside for what he did is appropriate. Yes or no?

Well no. Obviously. But a couple of years inside would also be wrong. Somewhere in the middle perhaps..
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #198 on: July 6, 2012, 07:37:18 PM »
the problem with americas prison system is that its run as a for profit companies. Corrupt as fuck as well.
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Re: Man gets 162 years in prison for robbery
« Reply #199 on: July 6, 2012, 07:38:04 PM »
Of course, this leads to tremendous societal problems. When a family loses a father, a husband or a son to prison terms of pisstake proportions, the family breaks down. The older folks don't have the support of their offspring when they need them. The younger folks grow up without fathers. Lots of pressure is placed upon the mothers, sisters and remaining family members.

It's a system that feeds upon itself.

That's a very good point.

On top of that you start getting areas where there are young men hanging around with nothing to do because of high unemployment in their local areas because of lower levels of education because of underfunded public schools because of lower levels of tax collected because of high unemployment in their local areas because of lower levels of education because of underfunded public schools because of lower levels of tax collected because of lower levels of unemployment because...

As you say it's a system that feeds upon itself.

Add to that of course that in the area that this guy operated there are still young men running around with guns because of high levels of unemployment....(you get the picture).....except that this time, when the armed police come running up the stairs to arrest him for armed robbery he's going to be thinking "Fuck that! I'm not going to prison for a century and a half to be bum raped by Johnny "Footlong" McGee". Now you've just put the people who are trying to uphold the law in danger on a daily basis making them less effective, and more aggressive in order to protect themselves, which means you're going to have young men running around with guns (because of the police's desire not to get shot and over victimising everyone in that community) which leads to more young men running around with guns.....

Added to that is the fact that the DA is an offical who may have designs on running for higher office, and seeing as he was appointed by that Commie Liberal in the White House, has to appear tough on crime in a historically conservative state. So woe betide any young offender coming up before him....

Added to that is the fact that extremely powerful coporations want more young men with guns running around so that they can build more prisons, so that they can make more money, so that they can lobby for longer sentencing, so that they can have more young men for longer, which leads to more young men not giving a shit about the consequences and perhaps shooting a cop or two, which pisses off the cops, which leads to a tougher crackdown on everyone in a particular neighbourhood, which leads to more young men getting disenfranchised, which leads to more young men running around with guns because of....[Return to Top].

What ever you think this particular guy deserves in line of punishment the context of the whole situation has to be taken into account first. Just go to the "Man kills daughter's rapist..." thread to see that is key. Saying "7 armed robberies? Yeah, fuck him. Lock him up for the rest of his life (and in case he's Buddist, throw another one on there)" is lazy. And it isn't working.

Don't, whatever you do, look into how other societies deal with criminals. Don't take any notice of the fact that in the US, where punishment is paramount, that 7 of every 10 inmates released will re-offend and be back inside within 3 years, while in Norway, where rehabilitation and education are key, that figure is only 3 out of 10. That's an anomaly based on North Sea cod, or something....

Keep locking them away, in ever increasing numbers, completely outstripping the rate of population growth. "More walls, more bars, more guards" is where we should be investing, because it's so obviously working. Right?