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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #520 on: July 2, 2012, 07:30:13 PM »
This thread started yesterday when there was "real" story behind the link. Funny how you haven't even contemplated in this thread how Dempsey would fit into the side but keep banging on about the pesky owners trying to increase revenue through merchandise of someone who hasn't signed.

You have just quoted a post in which I said where the hell would Dempsey fit into Rodgers system  ;D.

A hard running centre forward, two pacy widemen and a midfield triangle who play close to each other with short, sharp passing.

Where does Dempsey fit into that ?
One thing does need to be said: in the post-Benitez era, there was media-led clamour (but also some politicking going on at the club) to make the club more English; the idea being that the club had lost the very essence of what it means to be ‘Liverpool’. Guillem Ballague 18/11/10

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #521 on: July 2, 2012, 07:31:59 PM »
You have just quoted a post in which I said where the hell would Dempsey fit into Rodgers system  ;D.

A hard running centre forward, two pacy widemen and a midfield triangle who play close to each other with short, sharp passing.

Where does Dempsey fit into that ?

I meant in general ya cheeky git :D

I have no idea how Dempsey would fit into what you suggest unless Rodgers sees him as a plan B kind of option or more suited to games away from home.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #522 on: July 2, 2012, 07:32:16 PM »
NESN are looking to go National though aren't they ? what's it called NESN National.

They may, I'm not sure. I know that any version of that network wouldn't have money to buy rights to live matches. They show replays of our matches all across the country on these kinds of regional networks, but I believe the networks are allowed to choose which ones they want and as such they choose Liverpool's.

I think the commercial benefits of such a move for an American player would be minimal. The biggest exposure in the States we'd get for it, is that our club would be listed next to his name on graphic pop-ups when he's mentioned on national team broadcasts. And in advertisements for matches we play that are aired on ESPN.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #523 on: July 2, 2012, 07:39:34 PM »
Genuinely think any commercial benefits aren't going to be that significant anyway. Some just don't want to think about how or where he would fit into our side and squad but seem rather concerned with imaginary issues.

What about cross branding, look at Fenway Rousch racing the commercial benefits come from getting the name Fenway marketed outside of Fenway's franchise area. Why do you think NESV changed their name to Fenway sports group. It's like LFC not being able to market themselves outside of Merseyside so they change the name to Anfield buy other sporting entities and bring them under the Anfield banner.

For me the end game is all about FSG's core business and enabling the Red Sox to compete with the Yankees a team that has a national and International following. FSG are a group of Baseball nuts that is where the sporting buzz they talk about is. They freely admit they have sold everything they can in Baseball given their inability to market themselves outside of New England. They freely admit they have to be creative and have had to go outside of baseball.

I think Dempsey is a decent player no more no less a player and for me we wouldn't be interested in for £10m if he wasn't American.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #524 on: July 2, 2012, 07:41:53 PM »
The link started on the 3rd of May well before Rodgers was Liverpool manager. As for Dempsey where the hell would he fit into Rodgers system ?

You're not a scientologist by any chance?

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #525 on: July 2, 2012, 07:44:28 PM »
We need to find the next Dempsey or a younger version. Were about to enter the first stages of a re-build under Rodgers, that will take years and therefore makes sense to sign players for the long term.
 We already have several players that will need replacing in the next couple of years and adding to that makes no sense. We need to be patient sign younger quality players that fit the Rodgers system and sit back. What we don't want is to chase short term success and find ourselves needing a full rebuild again in 2-3 years, instead we should be adding 1 or 2 more quality additions to an already strong and young squad.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #526 on: July 2, 2012, 07:48:39 PM »
I meant in general ya cheeky git :D

I have no idea how Dempsey would fit into what you suggest unless Rodgers sees him as a plan B kind of option or more suited to games away from home.

Maybe that is why they don't want Rodgers in charge of player recruitment, what was it that Ayre said that prompted Rodgers to make it clear he wouldn't work under a DoF at the press conference. Something along the lines of we wouldn't force a player on the manager that he didn't want.

We must be pretty flush if we can afford £10m for a player who might be a plan B and whose career is about to enter it's twilight in age terms for a forward.
One thing does need to be said: in the post-Benitez era, there was media-led clamour (but also some politicking going on at the club) to make the club more English; the idea being that the club had lost the very essence of what it means to be ‘Liverpool’. Guillem Ballague 18/11/10

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #527 on: July 2, 2012, 07:52:14 PM »
Maybe that is why they don't want Rodgers in charge of player recruitment, what was it that Ayre said that prompted Rodgers to make it clear he wouldn't work under a DoF at the press conference. Something along the lines of we wouldn't force a player on the manager that he didn't want.

We must be pretty flush if we can afford £10m for a player who might be a plan B and whose career is about to enter it's twilight in age terms for a forward.

Except the article said we wouldn't pay £10m for Dempsey. That's just the price Fulham want.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #528 on: July 2, 2012, 07:52:28 PM »
You're not a scientologist by any chance?

Is it now scientology to suggest American owners might want an American onboard before a tour of the US. Have you a term for Standard Chartered wanting us to recruit Asian players.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #529 on: July 2, 2012, 07:57:27 PM »
Except the article said we wouldn't pay £10m for Dempsey. That's just the price Fulham want.

We have such a brilliant record of negotiating with Al Fayed as Hodgson and Koncheskey prove. The simple truth is Dempsey simply isn't a Rodgers style player is coming towards the tail end of his career and isn't of the quality required to take us onto the next level.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #530 on: July 2, 2012, 08:02:25 PM »
NESN are looking to go National though aren't they ? what's it called NESN National.

Fox Soccer has the North American rights to Premier League matches. ESPN has a smaller package of games that they picked up when Setana went bust.

Some of the regional sports networks, like NESN, MASN, etc. show replays of Premier League matches. They were allowed to show live PL matches on the final day, when Fox did their thing with live broadcasts of every PL match on the final weekend.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #531 on: July 2, 2012, 08:04:02 PM »
This thread started yesterday when there was "real" story behind the link. Funny how you haven't even contemplated in this thread how Dempsey would fit into the side but keep banging on about the pesky owners trying to increase revenue through merchandise of someone who hasn't signed.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #532 on: July 2, 2012, 08:14:59 PM »
Fox Soccer has the North American rights to Premier League matches. ESPN has a smaller package of games that they picked up when Setana went bust.

Some of the regional sports networks, like NESN, MASN, etc. show replays of Premier League matches. They were allowed to show live PL matches on the final day, when Fox did their thing with live broadcasts of every PL match on the final weekend.

Doesn't Fox's TV rights deal expire at the end of next season and wasn't NESN National created to show NESN's Red Sox games outside of New England.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #533 on: July 2, 2012, 08:15:47 PM »
The simple truth is Dempsey simply isn't a Rodgers style player

Not sure about that.

He might not be a wide player, who is quick like Sinclair or Dyer.  But he could play as the attacking central midfielder or even the lone striker.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #534 on: July 2, 2012, 08:17:09 PM »
Doesn't Fox's TV rights deal expire at the end of next season and wasn't NESN National created to show NESN's Red Sox games outside of New England.

It does and the rights are likely to be bought either by a Fox-ESPN-Univision bid or some new company that is part of Al Jazeera. If the latter thing happens they would then funnel some matches to NBC Sports which would then completely cut NESN out of the picture.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #535 on: July 2, 2012, 08:18:43 PM »
We have such a brilliant record of negotiating with Al Fayed as Hodgson and Koncheskey prove. The simple truth is Dempsey simply isn't a Rodgers style player is coming towards the tail end of his career and isn't of the quality required to take us onto the next level.

We should just shut this forum down and create a sticky thread "Al's Proclamations"  in it you will lecture us on what is/isn't a Rodgers player, FSG's alterior motives, and the general lay of the football landscape in the summer of 2012.  It's clear that you're the only one who knows anything and we're all just village idiots.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #536 on: July 2, 2012, 08:23:28 PM »
We should just shut this forum down and create a sticky thread "Al's Proclamations"  in it you will lecture us on what is/isn't a Rodgers player, FSG's alterior motives, and the general lay of the football landscape in the summer of 2012.  It's clear that you're the only one who knows anything and we're all just village idiots.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #537 on: July 2, 2012, 08:35:30 PM »
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After 537 replies I thinks we are all the village idiots. no disrespect mr Dempsey  :(
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #538 on: July 2, 2012, 08:49:07 PM »
Not sure about that.

He might not be a wide player, who is quick like Sinclair or Dyer.  But he could play as the attacking central midfielder or even the lone striker.

Perhaps but why would you want to bring in Dempsey at great expense and then try and change him into something he is not especially when he has shown his best form playing in a counter attacking team. Dempsey doesn't strike me as a player who would be comfortable playing in a side that likes to play in small areas of the pitch with a quick passing style the way Rodgers teams play.

Dempsey for me looks at his best when Fulham counter attack quickly and he has space to run into that isn't a scenario that is likely to happen if we are going to look to compress the play and dominate possession.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #539 on: July 2, 2012, 08:52:49 PM »
Perhaps but why would you want to bring in Dempsey at great expense and then try and change him into something he is not especially when he has shown his best form playing in a counter attacking team. Dempsey doesn't strike me as a player who would be comfortable playing in a side that likes to play in small areas of the pitch with a quick passing style the way Rodgers teams play.

Dempsey for me looks at his best when Fulham counter attack quickly and he has space to run into that isn't a scenario that is likely to happen if we are going to look to compress the play and dominate possession.

I think Dempsey has a very complete game.  He has a number of strings to his bow and can be a threat in a possession based game or on the counter attack.

I like it how if he plays in the attacking central role he will gamble and get into the box, which is what we need bodies supporting Carroll or whoever our striker is.

If he comes and is an attacking midfielder, scores 17 league goals like he did for Fulham last season, we won't be complaining at the price of the fee or his age.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #540 on: July 2, 2012, 08:54:47 PM »
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Age. However, I would point out that he played college ball for four years, and then 3-4 years in MLS, and therefore has "low mileage." College teams typically play around 20 regular season games, and MLS teams often play around 30 games a season (at a much, much lower intensity).

Champions League. He has stated a strong wish to join a team playing in the Champions League; however, in LFC's favor, I don't see him being on the radar screen of any of the English CL clubs other than Arsenal, where he'd be a squad player. Plus, he's turned down some opportunities to go to Italy, as he appears to enjoy life in England.

There's also that thing that he's a classless prick who spits at, stamps and elbows opponents, but he's scored 17 goals last year, so let's get him.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #541 on: July 3, 2012, 11:38:25 PM »
he won't let anyone push him around. it gets rough on the pitch. I want that kind of fighting spirit in the players on my team.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #542 on: July 4, 2012, 12:35:54 AM »
He'll give us three eyars at most. We need more than that from players we bring in. Particularly for anywhere near 10m and on 60kpw. If rumours are remotely true we should steer clear IMO.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #543 on: July 4, 2012, 05:14:18 AM »
Has the club learned nothing from the disastrous signings of Downing and Carroll and most of all, Adam? Just because a player produces results in the team where he was playing, does not mean he wil do the same or enhance the existing system of play in a different team. You go out to sign a player who reflects the culture you are trying to create in the team. For Liverpool FC and a MF, it is a player who passes and moves with aplomb, who engenders a team play that focuses on keeping possession and penetrating the opponents' defences with pass and move, who is comfortable in possession and is hard to dispossess, has high technical skill, and who makes late runs into the box. Signing a long ball, blood and thunder type player will only get you confusion and ineffectiveness as a team.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #544 on: July 4, 2012, 05:55:39 AM »
I think Dempsey would be fine playing a passing game. His technical skills are better than at least half of our present squad. Just because his forte is getting into the box and scoring goals doesn't mean he can't do anything else. He was so dominant on the ball against us this season. Who cares if he's a c*nt? If he comes here, he'll be our c*nt and add to an awesomely c*nty frontline with Suarez and Bellamy.

Are we to only consider players who are currently playing in a Rodgers-esque posession type team? It's not Dempsey's choice how Fulham play.

I'd really like to see him at Anfield, he'll give us that fight and directness in the final third, maybe even getting some of those 'goals' things that eluded us last season.

*Having said that, the rumoured 10 mill is a rip off.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #545 on: July 4, 2012, 06:06:19 AM »
I think Dempsey would be fine playing a passing game. His technical skills are better than at least half of our present squad. Just because his forte is getting into the box and scoring goals doesn't mean he can't do anything else. He was so dominant on the ball against us this season. Who cares if he's a c*nt? If he comes here, he'll be our c*nt and add to an awesomely c*nty frontline with Suarez and Bellamy.

Are we to only consider players who are currently playing in a Rodgers-esque posession type team? It's not Dempsey's choice how Fulham play.

I'd really like to see him at Anfield, he'll give us that fight and directness in the final third, maybe even getting some of those 'goals' things that eluded us last season.

*Having said that, the rumoured 10 mill is a rip off.

Being able to pass well and having a good pass and move style of play as the default mode are two different things altogether. Adam for example is capable of breathtaking accuracy in passing. He is however most definitely NOT a pass and move player.

In fact the very qualities you highlighted - fight and directness - are the very signs of a player with long ball football ingrained in his head.

So while I have little doubt he has technical skill, he has not played in teams that play that way and so what is our assurance that he can be trained to play that way at his advanced age (as a player)? What is our assurance that he prefers to and can play that way? He may just become another Charlie Adam instead - a fish out of water. 

As I said before it is a mistake to see how well he plays in his current low to mid level league team and then extrapolate that to Liverpool FC. Let's not repeat the mistakes of Downing and Adam and Carroll again - mistakes that cost the club 62M in transfer fees alone.

We need to learn the lessons of Euro 2012. Team play and pass and move and focusing on inteligent, quick passing and quick moving players who are always constantly knowing where the ball is and where their teammates are, total football as it were - this is the present and the future. How antiquated England is was shown by the fact that even while Spain and Italy proved the superiority of these values, Hodgson was trumpeting the need to affirm British values in his team for Brazil WC. Hodgson and England have learned nothing from the debacle where England played like a mid table league club in the Premiership which was finally torn apart by a top 4 club when they met Italy.

We made that cardinal error when the club ditched Benitez and appointed Hodgson. When Dalglish replace dhim, I thought that he would bring back pass and move but instead 6that did not eventuate. Now Rodgers is in the hot seat and we have not seen what he will do, thiough his Swansea days are encouraging. But if he signs people like Davies and Dempsey, then I have real concerns that it will turn out to be only an Indian summer and a very long winter ahead for the club.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #546 on: July 4, 2012, 06:13:33 AM »
Doesn't Fox's TV rights deal expire at the end of next season and wasn't NESN National created to show NESN's Red Sox games outside of New England.

Not sure but if I was a betting man I'd guess that Fox Soccer's rights will expire when Sky Sports' deal expires- I believe it's derived from Sky's rights (NewsCorp, etc.).

Don't know the details of NESN's business plan or "NESN National" but their money maker is Red Sox games- this has been the model for a while in the States with the Yankees YES Network, and the Atlanta Braves' deal with TBS, another regional cable channel. 

That said, ESPN is the 800 lb. gorilla of North American sports broadcasting (similar to SKY in the UK) and it wouldn't surprise me to see them put in a massive bid for Premier League rights. While it's true that soccer/football/futbol is down the pecking order of sports in the US, the sheer size of the market and the demographics of the football viewing audience in the US means ESPN will make a big move soon for club football. For example: the largest broadcast rights in the world for the World Cup are for the US broadcast rights, believe it or not. Also, the last World Cup semifinals and finals (broadcast in midafternoon in North America) had higher ratings than the NBA finals that year.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #547 on: July 4, 2012, 06:18:09 AM »
I think Dempsey would be fine playing a passing game. His technical skills are better than at least half of our present squad. Just because his forte is getting into the box and scoring goals doesn't mean he can't do anything else. He was so dominant on the ball against us this season. Who cares if he's a c*nt? If he comes here, he'll be our c*nt and add to an awesomely c*nty frontline with Suarez and Bellamy.

Are we to only consider players who are currently playing in a Rodgers-esque posession type team? It's not Dempsey's choice how Fulham play.

I'd really like to see him at Anfield, he'll give us that fight and directness in the final third, maybe even getting some of those 'goals' things that eluded us last season.

*Having said that, the rumoured 10 mill is a rip off.

As I said previously, it's hard for me to be objective about Dempsey, my favorite American player.

That said, I agree that his game is typically "American" which means it's very.... British. He is best suited for a counterattacking team. That said, so are a lot of good players, like Gerrard. Obviously he is nowhere near the elite player that Gerrard is, but Gerrard's game is idealy suited for a powerful, pacey, counterattacking team, which is why Mourinho wanted him so badly for many years.

He would be a good buy for Liverpool, but only at the right price.



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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #548 on: July 4, 2012, 06:27:42 AM »

I'm more on board with this than ever. Though I'm sure someone will try to talk me out of it.

We need someone that has the mobility, wherewithal and quite frankly the balls to do something with whatever our Uraguyan whirling dervish conjures up. Someone that knows where the net is, and how to stick the ball in it. Someone that is versatile enough to play all over the park and still contribute. A player that will not go missing in a match. An arrogant bastard for whom playing for LFC will likely actually embody the pinnacle of his career, and not merely be a stepping stone. A signing that represents moneyball "value" not by being incredibly cheap but by actually producing a probable return on the outlay, and furthermore, one that will be overlooked by others for not being glamorous

His age no longer worries me, and the price will seem like the best bit of business in history if it contributes to us getting champions league football.

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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #549 on: July 4, 2012, 06:33:40 AM »
Being able to pass well and having a good pass and move style of play as the default mode are two different things altogether. Adam for example is capable of breathtaking accuracy in passing. He is however most definitely NOT a pass and move player.

In fact the very qualities you highlighted - fight and directness - are the very signs of a player with long ball football ingrained in his head.

So while I have little doubt he has technical skill, he has not played in teams that play that way and so what is our assurance that he can be trained to play that way at his advanced age (as a player)? What is our assurance that he prefers to and can play that way? He may just become another Charlie Adam instead - a fish out of water. 

As I said before it is a mistake to see how well he plays in his current low to mid level league team and then extrapolate that to Liverpool FC. Let's not repeat the mistakes of Downing and Adam and Carroll again - mistakes that cost the club 62M in transfer fees alone.

We need to learn the lessons of Euro 2012. Team play and pass and move and focusing on inteligent, quick passing and quick moving players who are always constantly knowing where the ball is and where their teammates are, total football as it were - this is the present and the future. How antiquated England is was shown by the fact that even while Spain and Italy proved the superiority of these values, Hodgson was trumpeting the need to affirm British values in his team for Brazil WC. Hodgson and England have learned nothing from the debacle where England played like a mid table league club in the Premiership which was finally torn apart by a top 4 club when they met Italy.

We made that cardinal error when the club ditched Benitez and appointed Hodgson. When Dalglish replace dhim, I thought that he would bring back pass and move but instead 6that did not eventuate. Now Rodgers is in the hot seat and we have not seen what he will do, thiough his Swansea days are encouraging. But if he signs people like Davies and Dempsey, then I have real concerns that it will turn out to be only an Indian summer and a very long winter ahead for the club.

You raise a lot of valid points re: Dempsey and whether he can adapt to technical, passing football. The US youth system is (depressingly) very influenced by 1970s English thinking.

That said, there's lots of buzz in the States (which may be total crap) that Arsenal are interested- if they are true (a big "if") then Wenger thinks he can play the passing game.

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« Reply #550 on: July 4, 2012, 06:42:29 AM »
There's also that thing that he's a classless prick who spits at, stamps and elbows opponents, but he's scored 17 goals last year, so let's get him.

That's what the mancs say about Suarez, Bellamy, etc. 

We need more guys that piss off the opposition.

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« Reply #551 on: July 4, 2012, 06:57:48 AM »
There's also that thing that he's a classless prick who spits at, stamps and elbows opponents, but he's scored 17 goals last year, so let's get him.

I don't think he spit on Bellamy, specially considering there was no reaction from him (Bellamy doesn't seem the type to let thing slide). I think it was a shout in his face.
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« Reply #552 on: July 4, 2012, 07:06:13 AM »
He'll give us three eyars at most. We need more than that from players we bring in. Particularly for anywhere near 10m and on 60kpw. If rumours are remotely true we should steer clear IMO.
I'm not sure that's true.  As most people on here were saying in January, we didn't necessarily need to sign someone who could give us 5-10 years of quality service, we just needed someone who could do a job we needed for a year or two and get us back in the Top 4.  Achieve that and a £10m outlay will be a pittance, regardless of what we manage to recoup from selling him on.
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #553 on: July 4, 2012, 07:16:07 AM »
I'm not sure that's true.  As most people on here were saying in January, we didn't necessarily need to sign someone who could give us 5-10 years of quality service, we just needed someone who could do a job we needed for a year or two and get us back in the Top 4.  Achieve that and a £10m outlay will be a pittance, regardless of what we manage to recoup from selling him on.

One player will not get us back into the top 4, least of all a player like Dempsey. Not even signing a Pirlo for example will be able to get us intot he top 4. We need a system of play to be reinforced into the team, and we need players int he plural who fit into that system and make it work.

Spending 10M in transfer fees alone on a journeyman player like Dempsey and then to pay him the 60K a week that he will expect at least, is far too expensive while we can spend that money and more on a young playmaker AM who has all the up side in the world like Jovetic.

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« Reply #554 on: July 4, 2012, 07:38:37 AM »
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« Reply #555 on: July 4, 2012, 09:04:59 AM »
Spending 10M in transfer fees alone on a journeyman player like Dempsey
Journeyman? Dempsey has played only for New England Revolution and Fulham...

Spending 10M in transfer fees alone on a journeyman player like Dempsey and then to pay him the 60K a week that he will expect at least, is far too expensive while we can spend that money and more on a young playmaker AM who has all the up side in the world like Jovetic.
Jovetic... Many of here talk that he is great player for Liverpool. Yeah, he would be... But this is not FM; be realistic, why Jovetic would come to Pool without CL and without any guarantee that our next 5 years could be better than top-6 (or top-8) ?
So Dempsey is far more realistic target than Jovetic...

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« Reply #556 on: July 4, 2012, 09:13:36 AM »
Journeyman? Dempsey has played only for New England Revolution and Fulham...
Jovetic... Many of here talk that he is great player for Liverpool. Yeah, he would be... But this is not FM; be realistic, why Jovetic would come to Pool without CL and without any guarantee that our next 5 years could be better than top-6 (or top-8) ?
So Dempsey is far more realistic target than Jovetic...

Jovetic plays for Fiorentina, not Milan, Napoli, Juve, or even Roma. Liverpool would be a gigantic step up for him. He isn't in the position to demand high wages or a Champion's League team. He hasn't helped propel his team to a title challenge or CL spot challenge, like Hulk, Muniain, Belhanda, Hazard, et al.

I agree he's essentially a pipe dream as Fiorentina will want more for him than we're likely willing to spend. But he's got a great, positive attitude and I don't think he'd refuse a move to Liverpool on any grounds, if we went in for him.

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« Reply #557 on: July 4, 2012, 09:47:23 AM »
Makes more sense to buy than Sigurdsson imo especially as we have Jonjo in our team
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #558 on: July 4, 2012, 10:09:04 AM »
You don't buy a player because of the commercial potential he has.  He needs to be integral to the plan for the squad going forward as a player, first and foremost.  However, it is worth paying over the odds for a player with commercial potential.  Didn't Ronaldo pay off his massive fee in shirt sales?
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Re: Clint Dempsey
« Reply #559 on: July 4, 2012, 10:15:20 AM »
Makes more sense to buy than Sigurdsson imo especially as we have Jonjo in our team
In 2-3 years when Sigurdsson is valued 15-20m and we need to replace a 31/32 year old again how does that make sense?