Topic: Dani Pacheco

[Danny_]

Impressive first half V Toronto.

Here's Dani's match video V Toronto

http://www.footylounge.com/films//milankakabaros/dani-pacheco-v-toronto-21-07-2012-video_577157cf6.html

Thanks for that.  His final pass needs some work.  I don't think he connected a single time with anyone in the box.  He showed some good touches though.

[Il Capitano]

Thanks for that.  His final pass needs some work.  I don't think he connected a single time with anyone in the box.  He showed some good touches though.

It's partly his final ball, partly the poor movement from Ecclestone, who provided nothing. A real poacher should be finding clever little areas of space - hopefully that's where Borini comes in.

[MiddleMan]

i think he could be a decent answer to our winger shortage. he plays a bit like maxi, but with more ability and confidence to take people on off the dribble.

i do also like his discipline in staying wide. he was a good option to switch to and stretch the play quite a few times yesterday. i wonder if that is down to his positional awareness alone, or if BR was instructing him to do that. if i remember him correctly from his time here, he was quite like maxi indeed in that he liked to come inside more and support the striker much closer. if that's the case then i'm happy to see that he's tactically flexible and willing to do the things his manager asks from him, and   able to do it well.

[Danny_]

It's partly his final ball, partly the poor movement from Ecclestone, who provided nothing. A real poacher should be finding clever little areas of space - hopefully that's where Borini comes in.

A lot of his crosses were always going to be taken by the keeper.  There were people in the box he could have picked out.  I'm not at all convinced that it was the fault of the movement up front in any way.  Sorry, just don't buy it.

[Sangria]

A lot of his crosses were always going to be taken by the keeper.  There were people in the box he could have picked out.  I'm not at all convinced that it was the fault of the movement up front in any way.  Sorry, just don't buy it.

See his Norwich debut against Scunthorpe. A one two sets him off down the left channel, from which he puts the ball in towards the near post, where there was no Norwich player waiting. The Norwich player (Holt) was in the middle, and he didn't wait for the cross, but went towards the space at the near post, where the ball was delivered and duly finished. That's what a striker does, and that's why they score goals.

[elnino_yash]

A lot of his crosses were always going to be taken by the keeper.  There were people in the box he could have picked out.  I'm not at all convinced that it was the fault of the movement up front in any way.  Sorry, just don't buy it.

That will come though. He hasnt played much in a long long time. Should be able to rub that off

[Suareznumber7]

Thought he looked good out there. Had a good understanding with Enrique. Out of the players that played the first 45 I thought he impressed the most of the young lads.

[KirkVanHouten]

If he doesn't fit into Rodgers style of play then I don't know who does.

I'm interested to see how he and Suarez link up.

[MobileBayRed]

Thought he was one of the few players that played "at speed".  Few extra touches.  Excellent on the first touch pass.  Some great pass and move with Enrique near the edge of the box.  Used his dribble to attack defenders.  Final product was a little average, but for a first pre-season friendly, I thought he was ahead of the curve.  Thought his pressing to get possession back was outstanding. 

[conman]

Thought he was one of the few players that played "at speed".  Few extra touches.  Excellent on the first touch pass.  Some great pass and move with Enrique near the edge of the box.  Used his dribble to attack defenders.  Final product was a little average, but for a first pre-season friendly, I thought he was ahead of the curve.  Thought his pressing to get possession back was outstanding. 

that final ball will improve as he builds a report with the attackers. playing consistently with the same players in the same systems

[Il Capitano]

A lot of his crosses were always going to be taken by the keeper.  There were people in the box he could have picked out.  I'm not at all convinced that it was the fault of the movement up front in any way.  Sorry, just don't buy it.

The runs being made weren't proactive at all. Ecclestone was frequently in no position to capitalise, and even when there was space opening up in the box he was miles off the play and easily marked.

[gazzathered]

Nice link up play with Enrique

[nocturnalvin]

He played like Dani Pacheco.

[Grobbelrevell]

It's early days but it was a promising performance from Dani. One of the brightest in that first period.

It does look as though Brendan may be the one who benefits from the youth system put into place by Rafa.

[redk84]

Didn't expect Pacheco to be as good as he was yesterday....haven't seen him play in a whole year and he looked good!

Composure on the ball, had some tricks up his sleeve and was always wanting the ball..hope he keeps it up. Good attitude.

[ziggyy]

Didn't expect Pacheco to be as good as he was yesterday....haven't seen him play in a whole year and he looked good!

Composure on the ball, had some tricks up his sleeve and was always wanting the ball..hope he keeps it up. Good attitude.

He has always shown that whenever he got his chance (the Hodge days didn't happen... that was just an extended pre-season), he'll have some good touches and composure for his age.

There was this game, (cannot remember when or which) where Gerrard and the team tried giving him the ball when he came on. And those were the days when Gerrard tried to do magic on his own... shows the trust he had in the little guy.

Really too bad he hasn't gotten a proper chance in the team. Hope this is his year...

[Garstonite]

The fact is, whether he's as good as people make out or not, he still would have been a decent asset for us over the past few years when we've entirely void of any creativity from out wide.

[Phil M]

The fact is, whether he's as good as people make out or not, he still would have been a decent asset for us over the past few years when we've entirely void of any creativity from out wide.

Abso-bloody-exactly. He's versatile aswell, I hope he's at least a regular squad member this season.

[Grobbelrevell]

The fact is, whether he's as good as people make out or not, he still would have been a decent asset for us over the past few years when we've entirely void of any creativity from out wide.

Indeed. Also, how were we ever to know for sure if he was good enough or not, without giving him the chance to prove it one way or t'other? That's always been the biggest frustration with Pacheco for me. The glimpses he's shown have warranted that opportunity in my view and it's a disappointment that it's not been forthcoming, perhaps until now.

[Halibut-Thumb]

i think he could be a decent answer to our winger shortage.

Looks like we'll be playing 4-3-3 with overlapping fullbacks. Maybe the reason why we have a winger shortage is because we won't be playing with classic wingers..

[Sangria]

Indeed. Also, how were we ever to know for sure if he was good enough or not, without giving him the chance to prove it one way or t'other? That's always been the biggest frustration with Pacheco for me. The glimpses he's shown have warranted that opportunity in my view and it's a disappointment that it's not been forthcoming, perhaps until now.

If he's good enough for us, Atletico would have signed him already. The fact that he's still here is reason enough to want him gone. Or so the Catch 22 argument for Pacheco, Aquilani, Insua, and all those other loanees goes. Strangely, I've only ever seen that argument applied to foreign loanees, never English ones.

[KirkVanHouten]

The fact is, whether he's as good as people make out or not, he still would have been a decent asset for us over the past few years when we've entirely void of any creativity from out wide.

It's odd isn't it, there are so many people willing to bring a player like Dempsey in yet won't give Pacheco a chance to impress. There's something strange with our supporters where if a youth player doesn't immediately set the world on fire with his first couple of chances he's written off. Some people are incredibly devoid of any patience.

[GBF]

considering he hardly played last year, I thought he was good against Toronto

[rossipersiempre]

With Maxi sadly gone, it would be criminally stupid not to keep Pacheco now and for the first time, actually give him the opportunities (afforded to others far less talented and less foreign let's admit) to sink or swim. I think it may well surprise his doubters to see him swim like an Olympian. Albeit a slightly-built 5'7" one.

[Sangria]

With Maxi sadly gone, it would be criminally stupid not to keep Pacheco now and for the first time, actually give him the opportunities (afforded to others far less talented and less foreign let's admit) to sink or swim. I think it may well surprise his doubters to see him swim like an Olympian. Albeit a slightly-built 5'7" one.

As I tend on the cautious side, I don't expect so much from him. But there is one indisputable quality that Pacheco has. Whatever job he does, he does it for far, far less than Cole and Downing, his competitors for the LF spot.

[mb1111]

Strangely, I've only ever seen that argument applied to foreign loanees, never English ones.

You do tend to see what you want though rather than the actual reality. Like your bizarre rant the other week that people were writing the Spurs manager's whole name instead of his initials to put him down because he's foreign!!

[Sangria]

You do tend to see what you want though rather than the actual reality. Like your bizarre rant the other week that people were writing the Spurs manager's whole name instead of his initials to put him down because he's foreign!!

Would you like to discuss Pacheco, perchance?

[RyanBabel19]

Still one of my favourite players, really hope he continues to impress in pre season and gets himself a place in the squad. The kids got incredible potential, alot of natural ability coupled with being a hard worker. I really think he could still go on to become brilliant

Some would be knocked a bit off track with the time he's had recently and be lacking in confidence but he still believes in himself and will ALWAYS push his fullback all game, running at them and moving intellegently using the space in behind them. He can really contribute to this team

[scared_person]

It's odd isn't it, there are so many people willing to bring a player like Dempsey in yet won't give Pacheco a chance to impress. There's something strange with our supporters where if a youth player doesn't immediately set the world on fire with his first couple of chances he's written off. Some people are incredibly devoid of any patience.

We've been spoiled. The last players to really come through prior to this generation (Spearing, Kelly, Flanno, Robinson) were, Carragher aside, excellent overnight. Owen, Mcmanaman, Gerrard and Fowler were all massively important to the team within months of making their debuts. Apart from Carra we haven't had a player who built his Liverpool career slowly in recent memory.

[conman]

We've been spoiled. The last players to really come through prior to this generation (Spearing, Kelly, Flanno, Robinson) were, Carragher aside, excellent overnight. Owen, Mcmanaman, Gerrard and Fowler were all massively important to the team within months of making their debuts. Apart from Carra we haven't had a player who built his Liverpool career slowly in recent memory.

Insua had cemented his place (or atleast as a first back up), only for politics & stupidity to play a part and have him shipped out.

[Fuzion6]

He looked bright, had some lovely touches/dribbles and gave great shape down the left but my goodness his final ball was abysmal. Got himself into some cracking positions but shocking delivery.

[Dubred]

We've been spoiled. The last players to really come through prior to this generation (Spearing, Kelly, Flanno, Robinson) were, Carragher aside, excellent overnight. Owen, Mcmanaman, Gerrard and Fowler were all massively important to the team within months of making their debuts. Apart from Carra we haven't had a player who built his Liverpool career slowly in recent memory.

Its a shame the way modern football has evolved.  There's no patience, with fans or within a lot of clubs.

There's probably many players who had huge potential but weren't given the time to develop properly if they didnt hit the ground running.

If he ain't instant, it ain't for us!

We seem to have a manager who has a good philosophy with the younger players so I'm really hoping the likes of Pacheco still has a chance.

The bloke clearly has ability, and if we can get it out of him in this team he'll not only be a real plus but will save us a lot of money too.

[Kovai Red]

Thanks for that.  His final pass needs some work.

This can be achieved if he is played regularly. When he gets to know the movements of the players near him, that will come gradually

[UntouchableLuis]

Always looks to beat his man which is what I want to see in a winger but feel he should be drilling the ball across rather than floating it in.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

Always looks to beat his man which is what I want to see in a winger but feel he should be drilling the ball across rather than floating it in.

Would that not depend on what is going on in and around the box at the time of him looking to cross the ball... just a thought.

[Sangria]

Its a shame the way modern football has evolved.  There's no patience, with fans or within a lot of clubs.

There's probably many players who had huge potential but weren't given the time to develop properly if they didnt hit the ground running.

If he ain't instant, it ain't for us!

We seem to have a manager who has a good philosophy with the younger players so I'm really hoping the likes of Pacheco still has a chance.

The bloke clearly has ability, and if we can get it out of him in this team he'll not only be a real plus but will save us a lot of money too.

Back in the summer of 2010, some argued that the exits of the likes of Insua and Aquilani were part of a cost-cutting exercise. I disagreed, arguing that the exits and aimed exits smelled more of squad-building via media opinion (few agreed with me at the time). I set out what would have happened had we really been looking to cut costs whilst preserving some kind of attractiveness to prospective buyers. Keep the stars who are in their prime. Sell the players in their late 20s or 30s, unless they can put up a damn good argument for keeping them. Bulk up the squad with self-developed youngsters. From my calculations, that would have saved us 300-400k/wk in wages, or 15-20m a year, while those I'd have got rid of have been some of our worst value performers in the past couple of years. Without spending a penny on transfers whilst saving 15m+ per year on wages, we'd have had a better balanced squad than the ones we've seen the past couple of seasons. Does that make me a football genius? No, it means we fucked up our transfer policy during that time, that something so simple would be so much better than what we got.

[conman]

Back in the summer of 2010, some argued that the exits of the likes of Insua and Aquilani were part of a cost-cutting exercise. I disagreed, arguing that the exits and aimed exits smelled more of squad-building via media opinion (few agreed with me at the time). I set out what would have happened had we really been looking to cut costs whilst preserving some kind of attractiveness to prospective buyers. Keep the stars who are in their prime. Sell the players in their late 20s or 30s, unless they can put up a damn good argument for keeping them. Bulk up the squad with self-developed youngsters. From my calculations, that would have saved us 300-400k/wk in wages, or 15-20m a year, while those I'd have got rid of have been some of our worst value performers in the past couple of years. Without spending a penny on transfers whilst saving 15m+ per year on wages, we'd have had a better balanced squad than the ones we've seen the past couple of seasons. Does that make me a football genius? No, it means we fucked up our transfer policy during that time, that something so simple would be so much better than what we got.

I always figured it was their way of getting shot of Rafa "players" that were easy targets. There was no logic behind it at all.

[DanA]

crossing and passing are probably the two things I think Pacheco is best at. But where do you put it when there's nobody there?

[conman]

crossing and passing are probably the two things I think Pacheco is best at. But where do you put it when there's nobody there?

That's one of the problems Downing had. When he did get crosses in, the box was a ghost town.

Borini & Morgan are thought to have good positional sense, Rodgers likes his team to play higher up the pitch. Rodgers is also a coach (as opposed to just a manager). I'm sure the movement in the final third can be orchestrated, so that our players know what to do and expect.

[scatman]

crossing and passing are probably the two things I think Pacheco is best at. But where do you put it when there's nobody there?

you do your best putting in a cross, hoping someone is clever enough to make a diagonal run towards the near post or a run off a defender towards the far post.