Topic: Craig Bellamy

[DyingAtheist]

So if you think Bellamy may want to leave then at this moment you can only put it down to footballing reasons.

As for Bellamy he is a winner. We need that kind of player in our squad as we lack them.

A younger player might not have the winning mindset Bellamy has and so of our young players can learn a lot from him

Why can I only put it down to footballing reasons? The lack of evidence for any other reason does not mean one does not exist. Maybe he's bored of Liverpool, maybe red isn't his colour anymore (Though that would stop him going to Cardiff now...)

He is. But having the right mentality isn't enough. As people have mentioned he really tailed off at the end of last season and simply does not have the legs to be a consistent member of our first 11. He's got value as an impact sub, sure, but if the choice is between Bellamy and a younger winger (and I'd assume we'd go for one with the right mentality) then getting in a younger talented player should be the priority.

[Raul!]

Bellamy wants to leave for family reasons.

He's pregnant?

[Bangin Them In]

Why can I only put it down to footballing reasons? The lack of evidence for any other reason does not mean one does not exist. Maybe he's bored of Liverpool, maybe red isn't his colour anymore (Though that would stop him going to Cardiff now...)

He is. But having the right mentality isn't enough. As people have mentioned he really tailed off at the end of last season and simply does not have the legs to be a consistent member of our first 11. He's got value as an impact sub, sure, but if the choice is between Bellamy and a younger winger (and I'd assume we'd go for one with the right mentality) then getting in a younger talented player should be the priority.

Yes but we had to lean on him too much last year, something we know we can't do.

He is an impact player with a strong will to win, perfect impact sub. There are far worse still at the club, and whatever we say, he was our 2nd top scorer last year.

[DyingAtheist]

Yes but we had to lean on him too much last year, something we know we can't do.

He is an impact player with a strong will to win, perfect impact sub. There are far worse still at the club, and whatever we say, he was our 2nd top scorer last year.

Don't get me wrong; I really do like Bellamy and would love him to remain at the club. I'm simply saying that if it's a straight choice, the logical one has to be a younger player being brought in. (Or Bellamy taking a wage hit)

[Finn Solomon]

Makes sense all round if he leaves. I'll wish him well if he does, great little player.

[Live in the Now]

As for BR getting rid of players - Don't mind if he is getting rid of Carroll or players that doesn't fjt in to his plans but when it's a case of looking at wages as the main reasons then I am deeply concerned.

Who said wages are the main concern? Perhaps they are one concern of many. The main concern I have with keeping Bellamy on is that we're clearly intending to build a team for years past just this season. He's 33 years old, he's not a regular starter and he certainly won't be here after the coming season. He's unlikely to play much and he has knee problems which could potentially further limit his playing time. Now considering these things, then genuine wage concerns would factor in. Why not let him go? I wish him well, but the logical thing to do is replace him with a younger player in the squad. Theoretically that player would be Sterling.

Lastly, has anyone said that Craig Bellamy does fit into Rodgers plans? No. You're simply assuming he would and that the club is getting rid of him anyway.

[Bob Loblaw]

He's pregnant?

Watch this space....

[fowlermagic]

Hate to see him go as he is our second best attacker after Suarez /  our best wide man / the only decent cover to Suarez if he gets injured. Have to preserve his legs as best as we can but he could start 35 plus games if used wisely.

[vivabobbygraham]

There's very little evidence anyone is leaving. I prefer to take the new boss by his word and allow him to assess the squad when they are all assembled. As for FSG they hired BR, as SP rightly points out, because he chimes with their philosophy and vice versa.

Therefore, I wonder how they chime with Coles wages? Aquilani's? Carroll's? Downings? Henderson's? How about Maxi's? Bellamy's? Hell, what about Gerrard's? Carraghers? Those huge wages will chime with their man, too. Is there a massive clear out on the cards based on the wage bill? How convenient it would be to put it all down to the new philosophy, the new revolution, year zero. Get the kids in.

Now, I'm not averse to seeing the likes of Suso, Shelvey and my tip for the top, Silva, getting games. I would hope though that we either keep, or ship in, some experience to support this ethos.

You'll never win the league, or get 4th, with kids...

[lorenzo23]

So let me get this straight Rodgers says in interview he wants to keep Bellamy then Tony says that Rodgers is willing to let him go hmmm so who do we believe then

[.Mike]

So let me get this straight Rodgers says in interview he wants to keep Bellamy then Tony says that Rodgers is willing to let him go hmmm so who do we believe then

The manager.

[lorenzo23]

The manager.

What i thought as well just so confused why so many seem to be backing Tony instead!

[banksybanks]

What i thought as well just so confused why so many seem to be backing Tony instead!

Evans or Barrett?

Barrett is normally pretty close, whereas Evans has been a bit loopy lately (the English shit are finished etc)

[lorenzo23]

Evans or Barrett?

Barrett is normally pretty close, whereas Evans has been a bit loopy lately (the English shit are finished etc)

Barrett mate

Tony Barrett's article from The Times - Liverpool agreed an £11 million deal to sign Fabio Borini from Roma last night as Craig Bellamy moved close to leaving the club. The Wales forward’s nomadic career looks set to take another turn with Queens Park Rangers and Cardiff City vying to sign him. The clubs have been encouraged that Liverpool, who want to trim their wage bill, will allow Bellamy to leave with one year left on his deal, worth £80,000 a week.
 Mark Hughes, the QPR manager, has twice signed the 32-year-old in his career and the forward also spent a season on loan at his home-town club, Cardiff, in 2010-11. Bellamy, who is keen to return to South Wales, rejoined Liverpool last summer and scored six goals in 27 league appearances.
 Borini, 21, will be reunited with Brendan Rodgers, under whom he played at Chelsea and Swansea City. He scored ten times last season for the Italian club. Rodgers, the Liverpool manager, has pleaded with Maxi Rodríguez to remain at the club and for fans to show patience with Jordan Henderson. Rodríguez, the midfield player, has been offered a deal by Newell’s Old Boys in his native Argentina.

[Greg]

No i just dont understand all the joy. Is it because we have transfer activity?

I'm enormously wary of these owners, after what i've witnessed in the last 12 months, im struggling to understand how many more arnt. on top of that we seem to be getting rid of players too soon. You get rid of your Kuyts and Bellamys when you start to establish a squad. We arnt even on the cusp of that.

The whole thing, to me, stinks of lowered expectations, like fuel, when its 1.28 a litre everyone is made up, because they have forgotten when it used to be 79p. because we nearly went into administration, everything else is looked upon favorably.

For me, FSG have not done enough. Not enough communication, not enough on the stadium, not enough financing of playing staff, in short nothing. They've been steady, sure, but steady can be said for many clubs in the division. Clubs that go around and around and do fuck all except be feeder clubs and hover about the middle table.

Last year we got to two finals and it was frowned upon, whether you like it or not, Ayres and the clubs statement said as much. Thats the truth for me, and Brendans appointment - and im not gonna say hes a poor manager or he cant be successful, because he can and he seems a decent fellow, just feels like a hire for someone to try and punch above his weight and on minumum resources. And teh players we are linked too, well for me echos that.

We arnt PSG or Chelsea, and i dont expect FSG to throw money around, but i do expect significant investment to get us going. People forget we have lost a lot of players over the last few seasons and we are a bit threadbare. I want to see FSG show some ambition. I havent seen any yet.

Fair enough - understand where you're coming from. Just think you're a bit negative though, as I don't think FSG have had long enough to do things their own way yet. They started with Hodgson, and then upgraded to King Kenny - who wasn't their man. Rodgers is their man. Their own work. So I think we can start to see the owners and the manager sharing exactly the same philosophy. I think this is the point that FSG really start.

This post from Jon is spot on:

It is not what they can afford. They are open about the club being self-financing now it is freed from the acquisition debt. Is there any evidence that FSG are demanding that certain players leave? Could it not be the manager doing what he is paid to do, and moving on expensive players so that he can make the most of his finite budget. His philosophy may well chime with that of FSG, but that should not be a surprise. They hired him after all.

It's about maximising budgets. Regardless of matter how much money there is, it's makes complete sense not to waste any. Call it tightness, whatever. If Bellamy is a relatively high earner, compared to what his overall worth is for team, then you have to make a decision. Likewise Kuyt. Forget personal feelings - he was another high earner who didn't play that many games last season, and would have probably played even less this season. There's more. Cole, Aquilani, maybe Carroll. Why have high earners who aren't first choice key players? Taking those 5 off the wage bill gives you an extra £20 million for the summer transfer budget straight away, before taking any transfer fees into account.

Call it costcutting, call it whatever you want. It's good business.

[rafathegaffa83]

Bellamy wants to leave for family reasons.

Wouldn't surprise me. Same with Maxi. Both have probably reached a point in their careers in which returning close to their roots for their post-playing days and playing for their local team to be close to family is what is important.

[Discipline]

Personally don't feel Carroll is leaving.

Bellamy Kuyt Maxi
32 31 31
80k 80k 90k

Listed the rumoured price as we do not have the actual information to the contract.

That's 250k a week off the wagebill. 13m a year.

[Smudgester]

Personally don't feel Carroll is leaving.

Bellamy Kuyt Maxi
32 31 31
80k 80k 90k

Listed the rumoured price as we do not have the actual information to the contract.

That's 250k a week off the wagebill. 13m a year.

There is no way Maxi is on £90k

[hollger]

Smudgester - although obviously there's no concrete info to corroborate the generally accepted scenario is that seeing as we got him for nothing we were able to offer him a large wage. 90k has been mentioned numerous times over the years...

[ShibbyLFC]

Smudgester - although obviously there's no concrete info to corroborate the generally accepted scenario is that seeing as we got him for nothing we were able to offer him a large wage. 90k has been mentioned numerous times over the years...

id rather get rid of Cole's 90k before Maxi's

[Discipline]

id rather get rid of Cole's 90k before Maxi's

Who's interested?

[Discipline]

There is no way Maxi is on £90k

Going what was on here.

He was giving his "sign on fee" in his contract apparently.

Again, they're not the actual figures as no one knows the actual details other than Maxi, his agent and whoever was in charge to give the contract.

[Gainsbarre]

Personally don't feel Carroll is leaving.

Bellamy Kuyt Maxi
32 31 31
80k 80k 90k

Listed the rumoured price as we do not have the actual information to the contract.

That's 250k a week off the wagebill. 13m a year.

Add to that that Craig Douglas Bellamy legs are there once evry 10 days and Dirk's dip in form with age.. it's not a bad thing to put in some new blood..

[Gainsbarre]

Going what was on here.

He was giving his "sign on fee" in his contract apparently.

Again, they're not the actual figures as no one knows the actual details other than Maxi, his agent and whoever was in charge to give the contract.

I dont know on how much was Maxi, but Kuyt and Bellamy wre at the region of 70-90 k£ per week..  Hope they trim the wage bill more with Cole 90k£ and Carragher's 100... for both of them
 for football reasons first..

[Fromola]

If Bellamy's on 80k a week then it'd make sense to move him on. Did a good job in the short term for us, but I think next year will be a year too far for him bar the odd game. For 80k a week you need regular top performances.

Cole and Carragher are on contracts we can't afford as well considering they aren't first choice.

[thelinnen]

He's just signed a deal as the ambassador of Warrior and he has a foundation to support so Cardiff will have to pay high wages to get him.

[Feorax]

He's just signed a deal as the ambassador of Warrior and he has a foundation to support so Cardiff will have to pay high wages to get him.

This is what I was thinking.

Doesn't he only have one more year on his contract here? Would make far more sense to see that out and then go back to Cardiff next summer. I know he's getting on a bit, but I reckon he has a least 2 or 3 years left in him.

[lincolnred-dad]

could it be as simple as a year in the prem with Liverpool, at his age, and with his knees, have made him realise that he doesn't have much longer left in his career. with the extra games we have this year it could be a case of him deciding to return to his boyhood love of Cardiff before he can't do it anymore.

and given how close Cardiff have come to promotion in the last couple of years, how much would he want to be a part of getting them to the highest level before he retires?

[ac]

Utterly pointless selling Bellamy.

[hedger]

Would be madness getting rid of Craig. He was super last season when called upon. He has the experience and the ruthless attitude we need. Great squad player

[Carlos Alberto]

A front three of Borini, Suarez and Bellamy is good enough already the pressing would be immense, really hope he stays.

[Smudgester]

A front three of Borini, Suarez and Bellamy is good enough already the pressing would be immense, really hope he stays.

I would prefer it if one third of front 3 was available more than 50% of the time

[hedger]

I would prefer it if one third of front 3 was available more than 50% of the time

Thats what makes him a great squad player. To be able to rest the likes if Suarez and bring in bellamy is a great option to have. He doesnt need to play every game, last season proved that

[Fitzy.]

Don't want him to leave.

[Smudgester]

Thats what makes him a great squad player. To be able to rest the likes if Suarez and bring in bellamy is a great option to have. He doesnt need to play every game, last season proved that

If we're using Bellamy to be able to rest Suarez how does Carlos Alberto plan to play them at the same time ??

[Carlito Roberto]

I would prefer it if one third of front 3 was available more than 50% of the time

Bellamy in the league, Sterling in Europe, sorted.

[buzzing]

Strange if CB leaves. Looked as if he was a deffo stayer after all the PR work and stuff he's been doing for the club during the summer

[Joff]

Wages or no wages he offers good value. Quality lad also.

[Joga]

Would love him to stay but really at this point in his career and after giving us everything last season, he should be allowed to leave if he wants to.

[Carlos Alberto]

If we're using Bellamy to be able to rest Suarez how does Carlos Alberto plan to play them at the same time ??

Not all time but obviously the big games when Bellamy is available he will play and the other striker will play the other games so for example Dempsey,Sturridge or whoever it is or Carroll if he stays.Great Squad Player.