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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3000 on: July 9, 2012, 12:51:48 PM »
Am I right in thinking that he won his first Grand Slam Final set yesterday?
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3001 on: July 9, 2012, 12:53:09 PM »
Am I right in thinking that he won his first Grand Slam Final set yesterday?
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3002 on: July 9, 2012, 01:36:14 PM »
With Rusedski, it was blind hope, With Murray it's genuine expectation.


Is that true?  I don't sense any expectations.  I think that it is hope and support, but I think that nobody expects him to beat Federer, Djokovic or Nadal when he comes up against them in a major.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3003 on: July 9, 2012, 01:42:06 PM »

Is that true?  I don't sense any expectations.  I think that it is hope and support, but I think that nobody expects him to beat Federer, Djokovic or Nadal when he comes up against them in a major.
Expectation that he'll win a Slam, eventually. When and/or where is anybody's guess.


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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3004 on: July 9, 2012, 01:48:26 PM »
Expectation that he'll win a Slam, eventually. When and/or where is anybody's guess.



I actually think that that is more the tennis media/players, rather than the UK media.  I've heard McEnroe say that (he was the first I heard, when Andy was only 18/19), I've heard Pam Shriver say it, and I've heard other players say it, but the UK media have never been that confident.  They'll say things like "he has the game to do it" (which is true), and "he'll contend for a lot more in the future" (also true), but I've never read or heard any expectations from the UK media or public - almost the opposite (an expectation that he won't, and that it will be a dream or fairytale if he does).
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3006 on: July 9, 2012, 03:01:42 PM »

Is that true?  I don't sense any expectations.  I think that it is hope and support, but I think that nobody expects him to beat Federer, Djokovic or Nadal when he comes up against them in a major.

Well then you sense wrong. Murray is getting closer and expectations are certainly growing that he will win his first slam soon. He is on an island on his own right now as world no 4. He's clearly better than the rest, but having not won a slam he does not warrant being in the same group as Nadal, Djokovic and Federer. But there is a very considerable distance between him and Tsonga (current world no 5).

Murray has won 8 Masters titles (the other 10 major titles below the 4 grand slams) and beaten the likes of Federer, Djokovic and Del Potro in these finals. I also believe he has made massive progress in the aggression of his game over the last year, which was very evident at Wimbledon. I simply think he's one of those players who is getting better and better mentally as the years go by, which I am very confident will culminate in at least a couple grand slam. There's a lot of fanboy rubbish in this thread by people who hardy watch the game ... Stuff like "Fed battered him in the last 2 sets". Murray was close and was always confidently going for his shots, which to those who have followed his career will understand is something he's not always done. There is also a big difference between forcing yourself to go for.big shots in hope, and actually doing this from instinct and having an expectation that you will make them. The latter now applies to Murray and that is a huge breakthrough. Working with Lendl is having a big effect.

It's also important to remember that Djokovic was considered in the same category as Murray up until a couple years ago. In fact I put Murray above Djokovic. Then Djokovic found an extra 10% from somewhere (mainly through diet) to find that extra gear and now he is the best player in the game right now. If Djokovic can do it, Murray can. It's a major achievement to get to 4 grand slam finals. He keeps on getting to one every year. Only special players can do this. As other have said, the likes of Lendl lost their first few before eventually making their breakthrough and going on to win many. You can add Agassi to that list too ... He lost his first 3 before going on to win his first at Wimbledon and then winning many many more.

I'd like to see Murray to get himself in tip top condition for the hard court season, and really try to win the Rogers Cup and Cincinatti before having a real crack at the US Open. I think he looks like he's in a good zone right now and he needs to build on it.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3007 on: July 9, 2012, 04:53:08 PM »
Expectation that he'll win a Slam, eventually. When and/or where is anybody's guess.

I think its still more hope. I don't expect him to win a Grand Slam.

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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3008 on: July 9, 2012, 05:18:33 PM »
I think its still more hope. I don't expect him to win a Grand Slam.

I don't necessarily expect Murray to be a dead cert to reach a grand slam final in the way I often feel Nadal and Djokovic will these days, and like I did when Federer was the top man.

But I do expect Murray to scoop a couple in the next 4 or 5 years. It would take a horrendous run of luck of Jimmy White proportions for him to not at least scoop one during his career.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3009 on: July 9, 2012, 07:45:38 PM »
I think its still more hope. I don't expect him to win a Grand Slam.

As good as Fed is and I know your one of his fanboys but he is not getting any younger; he best years are behind him now and at nearly 31 he surely will not carry on for more than couple of seasons. I really don't see a player of Federer calibre carrying on well beyond the peak of his powers; from where Murray is now I still expect him to improve his game, which would give him a great chance of winning one in the future with Nadal and Djokovic being his main competition. 

No one can say for sure whether he will win one or not; but I would be very surprised if he finished his career without at least couple. He has made the last four of 10 Gram slam events and reach the final on four occasions; there have not been many players in the history of the game that have achieved what he has at the stage of his career he at now and not gone on to win any of the majors. 

Even Del Portro managed to win the US Open back in 2009 but he hasn't really kicked on since then; I know he had a serious injury shortly after but he has been injury free for over 18 months now and he is someone you highlighted as the next big thing; it hasn't happened for him as of yet.

After the big three Murray is someway better than rest. 
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3010 on: July 9, 2012, 10:39:50 PM »
I may be wrong on all counts here, but my understanding is that Federer has reclaimed the #1 ranking after his Wimbledon win, making Djokovic and Nadal #2 and #3, meaning the latter pair will find themselves in the same half of the draw at the US Open if the rankings don't change before then. Which gives Murray a huge chance, given that the hardcourt is his best surface and Federer is still (IMO) the most vulnerable of the top three.

However, tennis is not my main interest as a spectator, so some or all of the above assumptions are up for debate 8)

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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3011 on: July 10, 2012, 09:29:43 AM »
The thing about Federers style is it doesn't depend on physicality the way someone like Nadal does. I think he has at least a couple more good seasons with a couple more competitive ones after that.
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Re: Wimbledon 2012
« Reply #3012 on: July 10, 2012, 11:37:26 AM »
It is interesting to think how someone like Murray would have gone in the age of Sampras and Agassi.  I mean, even Pat Rafter managed a couple of US Opens and the Wimbledon final as well I think? ;)

Yeah good point. With Rafter, he had the power game that he could only get right a couple of times before his knees went. There used to be a few Wimbledon champions who got one trophy based on amazing serve and volley and power (hello Pat Cash!) but it is impossible to do that now. The grass plays more like a hard court and the baseliners, staying back would rip a serve/volley merchant to death.

Murray's game is little bit like Aggassi's was. But Federer and Nadal also have the all court, bassline style and they do it a bit better than Murray.

I would be amazed if Murray doesn't get one Grand Slam - my money would be on the US Open.