Topic: Martin McGuinness will meet Britain's Queen Elizabeth

[bottleandahalf]

Martin McGuinness will meet Britain's Queen Elizabeth


Northern Ireland Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness will meet Britain's Queen Elizabeth for the first time next week.

Sinn Féin's Ard Comhairle met in Dublin today to discuss whether Mr McGuinness should attend a function in Belfast, which will be attended by the Queen.

Party leader Gerry Adams said the lunch was not connected to the Queen's jubilee celebrations and said the Ard Chomhairle had agreed in the context of national reconciliation that the invitation could be accepted.

Mr Adams confirmed that Sinn Féin would observe the "civic niceties" at the function and it was likely there would be a handshake.

He acknowledged that the decision would cause difficulties for Republicans, but said Sinn Féin remained committed to nation building and ending partition.

Mr Adams said it had not been a unanimous Ard Comhairle decision but there had been a healthy majority.

"This will understandably cause difficulties for some republicans and nationalists," Mr Adams said.

"Especially for those folks who suffered at the hands of British forces."

Co-Operation Ireland is involved in reconciliation activities on both sides of the border.

Its joint patrons are President Michael D Higgins and Queen Elizabeth.

Mr Adams said Sinn Féin wanted to see a new republic in which the traditions of orange and green could be brought together in a cordial union.

Mr McGuinness declined the invitation to attend a State dinner at Dublin Castle when the Queen made her first state visit to the Republic of Ireland last year.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0622/sinn-fein-martin-mcguinness-queen.html#comments

[caspertheghost]

Wow - unthinkable until recent times. In conjunction with the Queen's visit to Ireland the significance of this cannot be underestimated.

[Sarge]

We had serious debate across the Party in the last few days and of course some are happy, some are not. SF will get it in the kneck from both sides but i think while not overly happy about it it is the right move.

[rewood]

Wrong, she should not have to meet this dirty terrorist.

[Sarge]

Wrong, she should not have to meet this dirty terrorist.

Thats what i said to Martin.

[caspertheghost]

Wrong, she should not have to meet this dirty terrorist.

her choice, if she didn't want to she wouldn't.

[bottleandahalf]

Thats what i said to Martin.

[bottleandahalf]

Wrong, she should not have to meet this dirty terrorist.

"Terrorist"? For defending his own Country against the biggest colonial 'terrorists' this world has ever seen!!

[BIGdavalad]

Excellent news and gives her the chance to decorate one of the British Army's finest informers personally.

[bottleandahalf]

Excellent news and gives her the chance to decorate one of the British Army's finest informers personally.

[Sarge]

Excellent news and gives her the chance to decorate one of the British Army's finest informers personally.

Whatever Dava.

[BIGdavalad]

Whatever Dava.

Think it's well known he was recruited in the mid-80s by the same man who recruited Hegarty.

Can't remember who recruited Adams. The same person who got his dad I'd assume.

[Sarge]

Think it's well known he was recruited in the mid-80s by the same man who recruited Hegarty.

Can't remember who recruited Adams. The same person who got his dad I'd assume.

What newspaper did you read that in?

Daily Mail was it?

[BIGdavalad]

What newspaper did you read that in?

Daily Mail was it?

Nope, don't read the Mail. Apparently they don't like it mentioning so it's probably not brought up at party meetings. It's a bit like half of Gerry's family fucking kids in that regard.

[Sarge]

Nope, don't read the Mail. Apparently they don't like it mentioning so it's probably not brought up at party meetings. It's a bit like half of Gerry's family fucking kids in that regard.

Stooping that low comfirms your stupid arguement. Adams had nothing to do with Liam as you well know. Unlike your inbred Royal Family.

[BIGdavalad]

Stooping that low comfirms your stupid arguement. Adams had nothing to do with Liam as you well know. Unlike your inbred Royal Family.

Nothing to do with his father either?

I didn't know either of them were friends with the Royal Family though. I'd have thought they'd just call their handlers to inform rather than going through the Royals.

[arnaldo]

as if she gives a fuck if he meets her or not. im sure she isnt losing much sleep if innocent mr mcguinness decides against it

[karl1987]

Sinn Fein have no option considering their United Ireland pipedream is dead, so they may aswell meet their Queen.  As has been said Big Marty will have no problem meeting her considering its well known he's been on the British payrole for decades.

[Sarge]

Sinn Fein have no option considering their United Ireland pipedream is dead, so they may aswell meet their Queen.  As has been said Big Marty will have no problem meeting her considering its well known he's been on the British payrole for decades.

The as you put it 'United Ireland pipedream' is far from dead.

[karl1987]

The as you put it 'United Ireland pipedream' is far from dead

If you say so;-)  I happen to live in the real world.  Support for a United Ireland is at an all time low in N.Ireland especially amongst Catholics, there was a big article about it in the Belfast Telegraph a couple of weeks ago.  People quite frankily realise there is more important things to worry about. 

[Mouth]

Nice to see things dont ever really change.

[Crosby Nick]

Very clever men, both very clever men. But I don’t trust ‘em. Jerry Adams looks like a deputy headmaster and Martin McGuinness looks like a clown without make-up.

[Sarge]

Very clever men, both very clever men. But I don’t trust ‘em. Jerry Adams looks like a deputy headmaster and Martin McGuinness looks like a clown without make-up.

Both very, very nice men, Marty is a massive Cricket Fan would you believe. Gerry is a massive GAA fan. And yes very, very clever men.

[SMD]

I reckon this thread will just about make it to 3 pages.

[Sarge]

I reckon this thread will just about make it to 3 pages.

Cannot believe it got this far

[SMD]

Cannot believe it got this far

BIGDavaLad gave it his best effort.

[Sarge]

BIGDavaLad gave it his best effort.

He did, bless.

[BIGdavalad]

BIGDavaLad gave it his best effort.

I don't think there's many people who don't know about those two and their, ahem, second incomes to be honest. It's well known that by the mid 1990s the SF/IRA leadership in the north was riddled with informers.

[SMD]

I don't think there's many people who don't know about those two and their, ahem, second incomes to be honest. It's well known that by the mid 1990s the SF/IRA leadership in the north was riddled with informers.

That's not what I was referring to

[BIGdavalad]

That's not what I was referring to

Gerry's dad and brother aren't news to anyone either. It's public knowledge and been in several papers I think.

[Sarge]

I don't think there's many people who don't know about those two and their, ahem, second incomes to be honest. It's well known that by the mid 1990s the SF/IRA leadership in the north was riddled with informers.

Yes the likes of Denis Donaldson, 'Stake Knife' Scapptacchi and that we know.

[BIGdavalad]

Yes the likes of Denis Donaldson, 'Stake Knife' Scapptacchi and that we know.

You keep telling yourself it's not true if you like Robbie. They're hardly likely to stand up and admit it. Especially since if you got rid of all the informers from the organisation in the north there'd only be about six people left. God knows how they managed to find anything to tell the Brits, they must have been queueing round the block outside Castlereigh on contact days.

[Sarge]

You keep telling yourself it's not true if you like Robbie. They're hardly likely to stand up and admit it. Especially since if you got rid of all the informers from the organisation in the north there'd only be about six people left. God knows how they managed to find anything to tell the Brits, they must have been queueing round the block outside Castlereigh on contact days.

It worked both ways and it happens during conflict time Dava as you well know.

[DangerScouse]

Sinn Fein have no option considering their United Ireland pipedream is dead, so they may aswell meet their Queen.  As has been said Big Marty will have no problem meeting her considering its well known he's been on the British payrole for decades.

These threads always get locked because some ignorant clown starts talking about shit he clearly knows next to nothing about.

[bottleandahalf]

You keep telling yourself it's not true if you like Robbie. They're hardly likely to stand up and admit it. Especially since if you got rid of all the informers from the organisation in the north there'd only be about six people left. God knows how they managed to find anything to tell the Brits, they must have been queueing round the block outside Castlereigh on contact days.

6?

[BIGdavalad]

6?

Ok, I might be pushing it. Four then.

[BIGdavalad]

It worked both ways and it happens during conflict time Dava as you well know.

Not to the same extent as we had SF/IRA infiltrated by the end. It would have meant Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, Goering, Speer, Bormann, Keitel, Manstein, Guderian all working for the British, US or Soviets to put it into a WW2 context. The majority of the German organisations down to about Corporal level in the Heer working for one of the Allied powers in fact.

[bottleandahalf]

Not to the same extent as we had SF/IRA infiltrated by the end. It would have meant Hitler, Goebbels, Himmler, Goering, Speer, Bormann, Keitel, Manstein, Guderian all working for the British, US or Soviets to put it into a WW2 context. The majority of the German organisations down to about Corporal level in the Heer working for one of the Allied powers in fact.

Elaborate, please?

[BIGdavalad]

Elaborate, please?

British Intelligence (Army or RUC) had huge numbers of the SF/IRA leadership in Northern Ireland working for them as informers by the end of what is generally recognised as the 'Troubles' in the 1990s. As I'd already said previously.

[Renato]

Terrible idea, pointless. This thread was an equally bad idea, people were only ever going to get hurt