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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #240 on: May 31, 2011, 08:04:31 AM »

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #241 on: June 11, 2011, 01:07:14 AM »
looks like there is going to be a re-make of the Dam Busters.  Stephen Fry writting the screenplay and there's going to be a name change in it.  Digger is going to be the code word for the dams being breached.
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #242 on: June 11, 2011, 09:17:28 AM »
looks like there is going to be a re-make of the Dam Busters.  Stephen Fry writting the screenplay and there's going to be a name change in it.  Digger is going to be the code word for the dams being breached.

Maybe they should now change the name on the grave marker outside Scampton and also change wiki as well.

However, I guess that means it's going to be historically accurate, maybe with Barnes Wallace portrayed as an American and the aircraft all B17's, and perhaps even some modern day American speech idioms to please the American audiences as well (which in honesty probably will be zero, as I doubt they have the slightest bit of interest in anything that doesn't involve the US winning a war)

I now look forward to the pre-mission briefing and Gibson no doubt saying to the assembled men "Listen up".
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #243 on: June 11, 2011, 10:12:56 AM »
Maybe they should now change the name on the grave marker outside Scampton and also change wiki as well.

However, I guess that means it's going to be historically accurate, maybe with Barnes Wallace portrayed as an American and the aircraft all B17's, and perhaps even some modern day American speech idioms to please the American audiences as well (which in honesty probably will be zero, as I doubt they have the slightest bit of interest in anything that doesn't involve the US winning a war)

I now look forward to the pre-mission briefing and Gibson no doubt saying to the assembled men "Listen up".


We could get Micheal Bay and Ben Affleck on board for this..:) (think dramatic pearl harbour the movie)...
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #244 on: June 11, 2011, 10:55:21 AM »
We could get Micheal Bay and Ben Affleck on board for this..:) (think dramatic pearl harbour the movie)...

Don't forget that there has to be the situation where only one guy/plane destroys all the dams despite having only one bomb ;)
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #245 on: June 11, 2011, 12:23:52 PM »
Don't forget that there has to be the situation where only one guy/plane destroys all the dams despite having only one bomb ;)

Or the father of the girl in the movie who is marrying the co pilot of one of the bombers sacrifices himself by ramming the dam with the bouncing betty in the bomb bay and his last words to the young buck are.."...i want you to take care of my baby..i want you to stand on my behalf when my daughter walks down the isle..i want you to take care of my daughter and to love her always.."

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #246 on: June 11, 2011, 02:10:25 PM »
How the fuck do you work that out?

The issue about Bomber Command and their actions stretch back a lot further than 'this generation'.

They deserve a memorial, they done their job. He doesn't deserve one though.

Somehow I think you've misread my post as being against a memorial

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #247 on: June 28, 2012, 01:35:32 PM »
At last.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18600871

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #248 on: June 28, 2012, 01:43:45 PM »
Long, long overdue.

Recordings of a Lancaster crew's intercom over Essen

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Another one from over Stettin
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #249 on: June 30, 2012, 12:22:39 AM »
Believe or not, war memorials are being stolen, so we need help to:

a.  locate

b.  log

c.  increase their protection.

There are over 100k in the UK, so if you know where one is located, please register it on:    http://www.inmemoriam2014.org/

If you just want to register your support for the project:    http://www.facebook.com/InMemoriam2014   

Or, if you'd like to know a little more about what we're doing, a short news clip:   


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Over fifty memorials were stolen before the In Memoriam 2014 project started but only 2 were stolen last year. So its working, we just need to keep the pressure on.

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #250 on: June 30, 2012, 05:59:51 AM »
Long, long overdue.

Recordings of a Lancaster crew's intercom over Essen

Brave men who deserve every single honour they can be given

Another one from over Stettin

thanks mate great post, really want to play that for my dad when we're on holiday in a couple of weeks.

And good work as well Lord Rog

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #251 on: June 30, 2012, 10:38:17 AM »
Long, long overdue.

Recordings of a Lancaster crew's intercom over Essen

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Another one from over Stettin

with you 100% on that mate, what I also find amazing is that they don´t swear even when the fighter attacks them
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #252 on: June 30, 2012, 10:49:42 AM »
Killed by Death just do us all a favour and fuck off with that patronising shite please.

Firstly you are applying the moral standards of today retrospectively to another time and another situation which is always problematic.  Secondly what we are talking about here is a tribute to the men who gave their lives in the battle against National Socialism.  They did not dictate the policy.  To say that the sacrifice of those people deserves recognition is not to concede that you are happy with the bombing of civilian targets.

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #253 on: June 30, 2012, 10:58:43 AM »

.... what I also find amazing is that they don´t swear even when the fighter attacks them

Vic, I think that's possibly one of the few crew conversations that didn't involve any swearing, hence it was deemed suitable for release.
Also the wire recorders available back then, (Mag tape hadn't become available...it was a German invention) weren't commonly deployed on operational aircraft so I expect any crews involved in such a PR exercise would probably have been forewarned about the use of language 'on air'.
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #254 on: June 30, 2012, 11:29:53 AM »
Vic, I think that's possibly one of the few crew conversations that didn't involve any swearing, hence it was deemed suitable for release.

I do assume that any quotes of 'Jesus fucking Christ, where the fuck did that Boxhead c*nt come from?' might not have made it into Bomber Command's archives ;D

There's a little bit of swearing in this one although 'you bastards' while you're being coned by searchlights with 88s all round you is still pretty mild.
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #255 on: July 2, 2012, 01:45:55 PM »
I do assume that any quotes of 'Jesus fucking Christ, where the fuck did that Boxhead c*nt come from?' might not have made it into Bomber Command's archives ;D

There's a little bit of swearing in this one although 'you bastards' while you're being coned by searchlights with 88s all round you is still pretty mild.

Meant to post this the other day.

Here's a bit of coolness under pressure. Operation Oyster - The Phillips factory at Eindoven daylight raid. The Pilot at 3.19, flying in at at rooftop level below 100ft, winking to the camera.

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These aircraft are all from 2 Group, later hived off from Bomber command to form 2nd TAF. The Venturas on this raid suffered particularly severe casualties.

My Dad was actually trained initially to fly Venturas, though by the time he returned to the UK from Pilot training in Canada, they had just about been withdrawn and fortunately for him, replaced with Mitchells which he then converted onto and subsequently flew on daylight operations for his combat tour with 2nd TAF. He was grateful, as the Ventura had an appalling reputation in the RAF. Underpowered, underarmed, unmaneuverable, poor hydraulic systems, and he said the biggest problem was the escape hatch for the pilot was in the bottom of the fuselage so if you belly landed you had to try and smash through the cockpit window with an axe to get out, a design flaw as there was no proper escape hatch in the cockpit glass. Combined with a fuel tank in the lower fuselage it was a real widow maker. In Canada on the first day of his twin engine training, he witnessed a Pilot screaming and burning up when he was unable to escape after a crash landing and subsequent predictable brew up in one on a routine flight. And they were still expected to fly these things.
In the Mitchell, he bellied in twice at Friston after being badly shot up, a huge emergency landing grass airfield on the south coast specifically designed for returning damaged aircraft from raids on the continent to do just that, and all of his crew walked away uninjured. He always said that after he finished operations, and he was only 21, like so many just a lad, he regarded every day of the rest of his life as a bonus.

On the swearing on air bit....

I don’t know the extent to which it would have been used on operations but there are numerous reports of male officers on the ground being embarrassed in front of female WAAF radio operators by the stream of bad language coming over the radio from aircrew – the WAAFs usually not batting an eyelid! In one I have read (but don’t remember the source), the WAAF replied matter-of-factly “That’s nothing, before this I worked in a racing stable.” Johnnie Johnson’s book has another account of something similar. The Canadians in particular were famous for it, and I imagine the Canadians on the Dams Raid were no different.http://dambustersblog.com/2011/11/08/dambusters-remake-quiet-progress/

and..

When the film Reach for the Sky was released, people associated Bader with the quiet, and amiable personality of actor Kenneth More who played Bader in the film. Bader recognised the producers had deleted all those habits he displayed when on operations, particularly his prolific use of bad language. Bader once said, "[they] still think [I'm] the dashing chap Kenneth More was". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Bader#Personality

(I know I shouldn't but I loved this bit from there.....During one visit to Munich, Germany, as a guest of Adolf Galland, he walked into a room full of ex-Luftwaffe pilots and said, "My God, I had no idea we left so many of you bastards alive".)

I bet he really said 'fucking bastards'.
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #256 on: July 2, 2012, 01:55:07 PM »
(I know I shouldn't but I loved this bit from there.....During one visit to Munich, Germany, as a guest of Adolf Galland, he walked into a room full of ex-Luftwaffe pilots and said, "My God, I had no idea we left so many of you bastards alive".)

;D Brilliant.

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #257 on: July 2, 2012, 02:10:08 PM »
Fantastic post Gulley. That wink is unbearably moving.

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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #258 on: July 2, 2012, 03:18:46 PM »
Gulleysucker. Your dad might be interested to know that the emergency landing site at Freiston became North Sea Camp, now a prison.
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #259 on: July 2, 2012, 03:57:51 PM »
Gulleysucker. Your dad might be interested to know that the emergency landing site at Freiston became North Sea Camp, now a prison.

Thanks but that's a different place, that's RAF Freiston.

The RAF Friston my Dad became unintentionally familiar with was a huge field on the Sussex downs just above the white cliffs on the channel coast here, all gone now and reverted to several fields although you can still make out the remains of the perimeter road.

My Dad died just a few years ago. He got well into his eighties which was not bad going, but every day now there's a lot fewer left around from that time and the grim reapers work is accelerating.

My Mum is still going strong, she's 91 and still pretty compos. If she carries on, she'll probably soon be one of the few surviving Wrens left alive that actively served during WW2. She worked on this during the War but was only allowed to tell us about it in the 1990's when it no longer was a secret.

It was quite amusing in a way as my Dad said that quite often when flying home after a raid and hugging the channel, they would see a huge cloud of these explosive balloons floating directly ahead and the gunners would often use them as an opportunity to practice their shooting.

Left arm and right arm not knowing what the other is doing springs to mind.
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Re: Construction of Bomber Command memorial finally starts
« Reply #260 on: July 4, 2012, 01:08:02 PM »
She worked on this during the War but was only allowed to tell us about it in the 1990's when it no longer was a secret.


Two fascinating stories - I hadn't heard about Operation Outward. Your parents certainly had significant roles in the war, thanks for sharing :wave
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