Topic: We’re Going To Have A Great Season – Positivity Thread

[lfcmase]

I'm looking forward to the new season, and the evolution into Rodgers' style. May take a year or 2 but I think he'll turn out to be a boss Boss!

[kenworthy]

If you have negative vibes, get out of this thread.

This is a new dawn under Rodgers and it is about time we started getting that belief back and raising our expectations.  The Euros has shown us one thing – some of our players have been vastly under achieving at our club the last three seasons as Gerrard, Agger, Johnson, Carroll have all impressed when used so far.
I am not really that arsed who we sign this summer, obviously I hope we get players who can enhance our side, but if Rodgers can get the best out of the players he already has here we will be top four.

If Gerrard plays like he has been for England and Lucas recovers from his injury we will have the best centre midfield partnership in the league.  We’ve got the perfect ‘sweeper keeper’ in Reina, who might not have been at his best the last couple of seasons but he is still a top keeper and the best with his feet in the league.  Then we have arguably the best centre back pairing in the league in Skrtel and Agger - I don’t see any better than those two when fit together.  Johnson is one of the best right backs in the league and Enrique looked the best left back until Christmas and hopefully a good rest this summer will see him back to his best next season, as when at his best there are few better.

Now our attack let us down last season but we still have some very good attacking players and one of the best in the league in Suarez.   Carroll is beginning to look like a beast the last couple of months and Bellamy was very good last season and is still a match winner when on the field.  We could possibly have another player who could enhance our attacking games and that is Aquilani, who is a talent and will hopefully impress Rodgers this pre season.

You look at our side on paper and it really should be top four:

Reina

Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique

Lucas

Gerrard Aquilani

Suarez Carroll Bellamy

With some very good options in Henderson, Shelvey, Maxi, Kelly, Coates etc.

This group of players have been under achieving and I think it is great we have the big teams coming to Anfield in the first three home games as the crowd will be up for it and we usually perform in these types of games. 

Get a good start to the league, some momentum, confidence and we can have a great season.
Yes we need some additions, but Rodgers is taking over a very good squad and if he gets the best out of the players, we will come top four, regardless of who we sign.

Who else is feeling positive?

  I feel much the same way mate. I don't think we need an overhaul and I felt like we were so close on so many occasions last season. I think that's what made losing Kenny so tough, because we all knew that had one or two more goals gone in, had the luck broken our way, had the calls been in our favour, had one or two shots gone under the bar or inside the post, that it would have been a completely different season. And I am not making excuses, I am saying that despite the frustrations of 11/12, I honestly felt so encouraged on a number of occasions. Every week I honestly felt like we could turn it around, turn the corner, begin the run that would define the season. Possession doesn't win championships, but we bossed it so many times last season. Now imagine that we have Rodgers who relishes that style of matchplay. I know shots on goal doesn't win championships, but I felt like we were kings of creating scoring opportunities last season. Beautiful play doesn't win the league, but there we're times I literally banged my head against the wall because we looked so terrific, so encouraging, and managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I say all this to underline the fact that I am extremely upbeat about the coming season. We are so close and our table position in the league did not reflect the football we played. Now we have Rodgers and I truly believe FSG have made a bold and creative move. Something that can breath life into the club. I am thrilled about how things are going and have been ridiculed on RAWK (at times) for my positivity. Well, I think I have finally found the thread for me. YNWA!

[Samee]

These threads are always embarrassing.

[DaveCharlie]

Not the biggest fan of the OP's views in the past (my memory is long) but in the interests of staying on topic...

Looking forward with great excitement to this year ahead. I'm not excited about the number of goals, the number of signings, the league position, the chances created, etc, etc, though. What I'm most looking forward to is a subtle change in the way the team is setup on the field. I have a feeling that we are going to dominate every team we face this year - maybe not on the scoreboard, maybe not on the league table - but we are going to be the hardest team to play against, there will be no respite for an opposition centreback who dwells on the ball that extra microsecond, every ball trying to be lobbed over our high pushing defensive line is going to be gobbled up by our monster of a sweeper-keeper, and we are going to play some sexy sexy passing triangles from our goal line to the opposite box. Even if we don't make the 4 next year, it is the type of football we are set-up and sent-out to play which will determine my satisfaction with where the club is progressing.

[lfcmase]

Looking forward with great excitement to this year ahead. I'm not excited about the number of goals, the number of signings, the league position, the chances created, etc, etc, though. What I'm most looking forward to is a subtle change in the way the team is setup on the field. I have a feeling that we are going to dominate every team we face this year - maybe not on the scoreboard, maybe not on the league table - but we are going to be the hardest team to play against, there will be no respite for an opposition centreback who dwells on the ball that extra microsecond, every ball trying to be lobbed over our high pushing defensive line is going to be gobbled up by our monster of a sweeper-keeper, and we are going to play some sexy sexy passing triangles from our goal line to the opposite box.

YES! It will be an interesting season + with the technical ability of most of the squad, I think its a massive reason to be optimistic

[Kovai Red]

We are having a good squad. We will be needing 2 or 3 players who will enhance the team. The only worry I have is how long will the team take to play the way the manager wants. If the team settles in quickly into the new play style, we will be in for a exciting season.

[MushyP15]

I think you should see someone for your thread starting addiction.

[stevied]

We are going to be fantastic to watch this season, nice one touch footie, big Andy smashing it in from all angles i cant wait for August 18th

[Vlsanfield]

thank god some LFC fans are positve like me. too much negativity surronding us in recent seasons

[-Q-]

I'll leave it here then. Just sticks in my craw a bit to see one of the most consistently negative moaners on RAWK calling for happy clappy positivity, airbrushing out his own participation in the wave of negativity that got Rafa sacked. What happens when Rodgers doesn't live up to his hype and he starts calling for him to be sacked also.

I think Hicks got Rafa sacked, it was part of the power games (that he lost at the end because of his idiot son). Anyway when one of the big moaners and negative one tries to get some positive vibes going it is a good thing!

I wanted Kenny to succed and I hoped he will get another season because I believe he was working with 2-3 years in mind, he had a plan despite all that went and looked so wrong. I am looking forward the next season and have confidence in our team and the young coach. I am looking forward to some stability and clear strategy and I am quietly positive.

[kcbworth]

Anyway when one of the big moaners and negative one tries to get some positive vibes going it is a good thing!

+1

[vishy01234]

Oh yey! The delusion / positivity thread

[Red Genius]

I'll leave it here then. Just sticks in my craw a bit to see one of the most consistently negative moaners on RAWK calling for happy clappy positivity, airbrushing out his own participation in the wave of negativity that got Rafa sacked. What happens when Rodgers doesn't live up to his hype and he starts calling for him to be sacked also.

I share your reserved judgement for jumping on the bipolar Z E U S yoyo support of players and managers of our club.

However lets ignore that for one moment, it is him - Mr stick the knife in when times are hard, support when we're winning.

We should be positive for the new season, if we can't look at the new season with optimism, who will - our opponents and the media certainly won't help us on our merry way.

We've been so locked up with negativity since the G+H regime, Benitez's controversial sacking, Hodgson appointment, Kenny returning and then being fired, our slide from being top table diners in Europe to not even qualifying.

We're so used to having something other than focusing on supporting our boys at the weekend to be moaning about, we've lost that focus on being what so many players have appreciated down the years, fans who give them hope, they may only go onto a pitch with 10 other footballers, but at Anfield they should have over 40,000 of their family getting behind them every other week, without fail. The only battle we have now is with ourselves, the sooner we quit all this bickering and get behind our team again the better it'll be for everyone involved.

"Everyone – whether players, supporters, staff or whatever – has to throw everything towards the one aim and that is to get us three badly needed points from the game against Bolton today.Because if everyone sticks together we’ll have a better chance of getting those three points.Then if we want to have a discussion after that, we can.But the three points for the club is more important than any single person and how they feel.So let’s forget the issues today and concentrate on getting those three points." - Kenny Dalglish

[Z e u s]

I share your reserved judgement for jumping on the bipolar Z E U S yoyo support of players and managers of our club.

However lets ignore that for one moment, it is him - Mr stick the knife in when times are hard, support when we're winning.

Not true at all.

Sometimes I am critical, like I was at Benitez or Carroll this season.  But I gave valid reasons for doing so.

But I am one of the biggest suporters of Henderson on here, when he gets bashed.  Same for Gerrard, Dalglish etc.

People can't seem to get past I had an opinion on Benitez which differs to theirs.  I still think we were right to sack him, others disagree.  But move on, I respect your opinions, you should respect mine.  I always give reasoning, I don't just slag off people, I am constructive.

I also wish people could stop talking about me and maybe the topic.

[Tony18:5]

I think Rogers has inherited a very talented bunch of players, who with a bit more luck and stronger mentality would have finished a lot stronger in the PL than they did.

I expect a he'll freshen up the squad a bit and gradually enforce his stamp on the team.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that we did reach both domestic cup finals beating City, Chelsea, the Bitters and Utd along the way.

I dont see a strong challenge for a CL place as unrealistic personally 

[Upinsmoke]

More intrigued than really optimistic, it'll be interesting to see how we do.

[-Q-]

Not true at all.

Sometimes I am critical, like I was at Benitez or Carroll this season.  But I gave valid reasons for doing so.

But I am one of the biggest suporters of Henderson on here, when he gets bashed.  Same for Gerrard, Dalglish etc.

People can't seem to get past I had an opinion on Benitez which differs to theirs.  I still think we were right to sack him, others disagree.  But move on, I respect your opinions, you should respect mine.  I always give reasoning, I don't just slag off people, I am constructive.

I also wish people could stop talking about me and maybe the topic.

I think there were valid reasons for and against Rafa, the problem was the timing and the replacement. This year on emotional level I wanted Rafa to replace Kenny but my brain was very opposed to this. Rafa made many mistakes and lost focus. We become predictable. Yes the club was a mess but it was really stupid to sack Rafa just before the club was sold. I still can't make my mind up about this. Rafa worship winds me up and makes me wanna tear my hair out but I do respect him for his love for the club, city and fans that is pretty unique. One thing is quite certain now, Rafa is the past and the fact we went down the hill since he left does not justify those who claim sacking him is the cause of our problems. Rafa was never as succesfull as many here claim with teary eyes, he was at the start of the fall (yes, yes I know he had it hard with the owners) and he divided the fans because of his own mistakes. Bringing this up in this thread is not going to change anyone's mind and it is not going to help with positive mood.

Zeus - it is funny how things come back to bite you and I repeat, to see a negative moaner to start a positive thread is excellent! I like it and I hope it will live longer than all the previous attempts to get some positive vibes in here, they are very needed.

[Jason_King]

Im excited about the new season for slightly different reasons.

I cant see us jumping and getting in the top 4, I cant even see the new style of football being an immediate success.

Im excited about seeing the green shutes of progress and seeing BR style starting to bed in and this is probably likely to be late this season when the players are getting an understanding and putting it together.

I just want to see those green shutes and signs that its starting to click. If we are top 6 I will be more than happy, any higher would be a real blessing. On paper we should be, but we just havent performed anything like for the last couple of seasons.

[Crosby Nick]

I think you should see someone for your thread starting addiction.

He did. Unfortunately it was Andy@Allerton.

[Aarhus]

If Di Mattoe can have an instant impact on Chelsea then I can't see why Rodgers can't have it at Liverpool.

I guess it depends on how the players react to his ideas and his philosophy. But for now the players seem to be impressed with Rodgers work at Swansea, so I really hope they will back him up 100 % from the start and still be doing it even if the results aren't going our way right away.

I really believe in Rodgers and I think it's gonna be exciting to see how he develops the players on and off the pitch. If he can create the right atmosphere in the dressing room and the right commitment from every player in the squad I think we can achieve great things this season.
I recall seeing a clip on youtube with Dortmund where they scored in the last minute early on in the season and everyone on the bench celebrating it like they just won the fucking league. That's what I'm hoping!

If things work out this season I can see it as a shortcut to be a massive club again playing in the CL every season.

I'm very optimistic about our future with Rodgers in the manager seat. 

[Z e u s]

Zeus - it is funny how things come back to bite you and I repeat, to see a negative moaner to start a positive thread is excellent! I like it and I hope it will live longer than all the previous attempts to get some positive vibes in here, they are very needed.

I am not a negative moaner. 

I was critical of Benitez, I have been for some players who were underperforming and deserves criticism.

But I am very positive generally.  Also you don't see me moaning about Reina, Kelly, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Coates, Enrique, Lucas, Henderson, Shelvey, Bellamy, Suarez, Sterling etc.

On a discussion forum people praise and they do give criticism.  But it seems people can't forgive me for having a different opinion to them on Benitez.

Take Carroll for example, I was critical, but now he is performing I am giving him praise.  It is not a witch hunt I want what is best for LFC.

[Chivasino]

And what if Agger and Skrtel move on?

How about we wait until we see where we are in late August in terms of playing staff.

[Z e u s]

I cant see us jumping and getting in the top 4, I cant even see the new style of football being an immediate success.

The new style of football isn't going to be alien to our players.  Last season under Dalglish we played some really good football and kept the ball well.  But it seems to be forgotten because we couldn't finish and didn't get enough points.

But we are seeing in the Euros that Agger, Gerrard and Carroll are all very good players making impacts.

When we challenged for the title under Benitez, the next season we came 7th.  So I don't see why we can'tgo from 8th to top four, especially when you look at the players we have on paper.

[TrueNorthRED]

The fact that most want to talk about you rather than the topic may be a an indication of the strength of the topic?!

I personally don't love the title of thread. If history has proven anything, for ths club, it has proven that we have had far too many false dawns to count. So rhetoric like "We're gonna have a great season" is a bit ill-advised, no? I'm looking forward to next season (as I do every season - I miss football in the summer). But saying it's going to be a great season next year...that's undetermined.  However, I don't have a problem with being cautiously optimistic and siting a few reason why I do look forward to seeing the Redmen take to the pitch once more. They are:

-The pre-season: Am going to see the REDS in Toronto and Boston. Buzzing.
-The potential partnership: Suarez partnering up with another strike (unsigned as of yet) and terrorizing defences.
-An in-form Steven Gerrard: Damn he has looked good this Euro. Hoping he can stay fit and keep that going.
-The Return of Lucas: Miss that guy immensely. Can not wait for him to walkout on the pitch for the first time. Hope it's a home game so he can hear and feel the love.
-The Boss: Looking forward to how his tactical nous transforms (hopefully) our play.
-The up-and-comers: Can't wait to see the young lads get some playing time in Europe. Sterling especially. High hopes for that kid.
-LAST BUT NOT LEAST: I'm really hopeful that we can have a season without bullshit contraversy (legit or otherwise).

Roll on to next season. Onwards & upwards.

[Z e u s]

And what if Agger and Skrtel move on?

Agger, Reina and Suarez have all said they are happpy, can't see Lucas leaving either.

Skrtel might go, but he is replacable.

[Crosby Nick]

On topic - I wouldn't go as far as to make any bold predictions but I have to say I'm looking forward to the start of the season and seeing what we can do. Given our reputation for saying it's our year (do any of you know anyone who's ever said that!) then predictions would be foolish but it certainly wouldn't be unfair to expect a better points total than last year.

I'm intrigued as to how we'll line up for our first game (or first gamne with a full squad given all the summer disruptions). The pre season with Hodgson in charge didn't stir the excitement at all, this does feel a lot different and the excitement is back although I'll admit there are a huge number of unknown quantities about the club at the moment.

[Evans]

And what if Agger and Skrtel move on?

How about we wait until we see where we are in late August in terms of playing staff.

I don't think the point of this thread is to argue about whether or not to be positive, but rather to just find reasons to be positive. And yes, I know the world is not like that, but as long as some people want to have a thread of positivity, we should have a thread of just positivity, and then the realism and actual discussions can go elsewhere.

My small contribution: we were a top 3 team defensively last year, this year we'll hopefully have Lucas for almost a full season as well; our new manager seems to understand what the club is about, and also to see that it is the offensive play that needs to be improved, and that it's this part of the squad that needs strenghtening.

[Z e u s]

I personally don't love the title of thread. If history has proven anything, for ths club, it has proven that we have had far too many false dawns to count. So rhetoric like "We're gonna have a great season" is a bit ill-advised, no? I'm looking forward to next season (as I do every season - I miss football in the summer). But saying it's going to be a great season next year...that's undetermined.  However, I don't have a problem with being cautiously optimistic and siting a few reason why I do look forward to seeing the Redmen take to the pitch once more.

Yes I see what you are saying.

But I see no problem with aiming high and believing we can achieve things next season.

If we have the attitude of being happy with coming 6th then we are on the way to becoming a mid table club IMO.  Aim for the top, we might not get there, it might take Rodgers time and we could come 6th or 8th next season.  But he could also thrive and we could feasibly come top four with the players we have.

I'd prefer to be optimistic and aim high.

[-Q-]

I am not a negative moaner. 

I was critical of Benitez, I have been for some players who were underperforming and deserves criticism.

But I am very positive generally.  Also you don't see me moaning about Reina, Kelly, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Coates, Enrique, Lucas, Henderson, Shelvey, Bellamy, Suarez, Sterling etc.

On a discussion forum people praise and they do give criticism.  But it seems people can't forgive me for having a different opinion to them on Benitez.

Take Carroll for example, I was critical, but now he is performing I am giving him praise.  It is not a witch hunt I want what is best for LFC.

That is great and I believe that you are being honest. In my opinion your contributions about Carroll were not constructive criticism and I saw you ignore or reject many good points that were more constructive, but that is fine, of course you have your unique perspecive (just like the posters who perceive you as a negative moaner). From now I will see you as a positive guy unless I will be forced to change my mind. I welcome this thread and really want to see that first part to be 100% true.

[Z e u s]

In my opinion your contributions about Carroll were not constructive criticism

Constructive - no slagging him off, just giving reasons why I thought he might not be the man for us.  But he has since changed as a player I as a result I changed my opinion, which I always will do as I am open minded.

http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=291868.msg10115107#msg10115107

[Red Genius]

Not true at all.

Sometimes I am critical, like I was at Benitez or Carroll this season.  But I gave valid reasons for doing so.

But I am one of the biggest suporters of Henderson on here, when he gets bashed.  Same for Gerrard, Dalglish etc.

People can't seem to get past I had an opinion on Benitez which differs to theirs.  I still think we were right to sack him, others disagree.  But move on, I respect your opinions, you should respect mine.  I always give reasoning, I don't just slag off people, I am constructive.

I also wish people could stop talking about me and maybe the topic.

The problem is miss yoyo knickers, when your critical you want that person out the club. If i must i'll trawl through the Carroll threads to prove as much. Then when he comes back into form, you're all behind him again, that's fickle and positively weak support.

The whole concept of support is that you do just that, especially when times are hard... it's easy to coast on the band wagon when we're winning and players are playing well, what about when we're or the players aren't? How do you get that person back to winning ways? getting frustrated and writing them off doesn't help us.

The more i've read from you Z E U S, the more i realise you do genuinely attempt to debate subjects without insults and by making your point, you request that people accept your points respectfully, and that i will. However it's very difficult to respect a person who changes his mind so very quickly about a person. I'm mortified we lost Rafa because he was one of us, i felt he could achieve all his aims at this club when the club was owned by respectable people who wanted to be successful (that's naturally my opinion, but with all respect who are you to argue a man who's won pretty much everything in the domestic game couldn't - i know who i'd put my mortgage on)

We're recognised all around the world, as a club, for that support... having that patience, being able to see the wood through the trees. A skill without meaning any dig or offence, i believe you haven't acquired yet.

[Z e u s]

OK well I disagree.

But this thread shouldn't be about me.

It is about looking forward and being positive under Rodgers.

[harrytrow]

The problem is miss yoyo knickers, when your critical you want that person out the club. If i must i'll trawl through the Carroll threads to prove as much. Then when he comes back into form, you're all behind him again, that's fickle and positively weak support.

The whole concept of support is that you do just that, especially when times are hard... it's easy to coast on the band wagon when we're winning and players are playing well, what about when we're or the players aren't? How do you get that person back to winning ways? getting frustrated and writing them off doesn't help us.

The more i've read from you Z E U S, the more i realise you do genuinely attempt to debate subjects without insults and by making your point, you request that people accept your points respectfully, and that i will. However it's very difficult to respect a person who changes his mind so very quickly about a person. I'm mortified we lost Rafa because he was one of us, i felt he could achieve all his aims at this club when the club was owned by respectable people who wanted to be successful (that's naturally my opinion, but with all respect who are you to argue a man who's won pretty much everything in the domestic game couldn't - i know who i'd put my mortgage on)

We're recognised all around the world, as a club, for that support... having that patience, being able to see the wood through the trees. A skill without meaning any dig or offence, i believe you haven't acquired yet.

Agree with most of that but the support has to be earned
In Carolls case it wasn't until late in the season. But now having shown what he can do then yes it's time to get behind him and hope that he can continue.
The same can be said of Benitez near the end.
We knew what he was capable of and we or most of us could understand why he was not succeeding in the final two seasons.
Most of us continued showing that support.
However there are many who expect perfection and turn the moment the chips are down

[Z e u s]

However there are many who expect perfection and turn the moment the chips are down

That's not true, but believe what you want to believe.   

[harrytrow]

That's not true, but believe what you want to believe.   

I may not have been talking about you Zeus, merely talking about many people who I know

[Z e u s]

I may not have been talking about you Zeus, merely talking about many people who I know

Fair enough.

[El_Pistolero]

We'll be top of the league after our third home game (and win) of the season. 

[eryder]

Get more goals out of set pieces, and run rings around them with ideas they have a chance of something at Anfield.

[-Q-]

Get more goals

please

[arcticus]

No more woodwork, hopefully