Author Topic: The All Rafa Benitez Thread (Read 24397 times)

HighSix · « **Reply #160 on:** June 27, 2012, 10:48:13 PM »

There must be issues we are unaware of just look at the managers who are able to get mid tabled jobs year in year out!

Noelle · « **Reply #161 on:** June 27, 2012, 10:51:38 PM »

Quote from: mat106 on June 27, 2012, 10:44:18 PM

Yet another team unable to see the genius of the man

You do realize he may have turned them down and not vice versa right?

bsb2002 · « **Reply #162 on:** June 27, 2012, 10:51:58 PM »

publicly fighting with the owners at his last 3 jobs isn't helping (even if he was right in each case)

mat106 · « **Reply #163 on:** June 27, 2012, 10:55:30 PM »

Quote from: Noelle on June 27, 2012, 10:51:38 PM

You do realize he may have turned them down and not vice versa right?

True...

Yet another team to miss out on the genius of the man

Y2J · « **Reply #164 on:** June 27, 2012, 11:16:33 PM »

Quote from: mat106 on June 27, 2012, 10:44:18 PM

Yet another team unable to see the genius of the man

Has nothing to do with Sampdoria, mate. Rafa didn't want to coach there according to every Italian journo.

Cpt_Reina · « **Reply #165 on:** June 27, 2012, 11:19:00 PM »

Glad he's being picky.

Rushing in to a club without the conditions being right is exactly what he did at Inter.

Y2J · « **Reply #166 on:** June 27, 2012, 11:21:57 PM »

Quote from: Cpt_Reina on June 27, 2012, 11:19:00 PM

Glad he's being picky.

Rushing in to a club without the conditions being right is exactly what he did at Inter.

I think that if Sampdoria's owners were honest about their words, Rafa was wrong in not accepting them. They wanted to be a bit like Udinese and told him they'll give him a good budger but he refused the job.

aditya0912 · « **Reply #167 on:** June 28, 2012, 12:15:05 PM »

What's with the book 'Champions League Dreams' Is that rafa's autobiography? I know Pep's coming out later this year for sure

lankyguy007 · « **Reply #168 on:** June 28, 2012, 12:29:53 PM »

Quote from: aditya0912 on June 28, 2012, 12:15:05 PM

What's with the book 'Champions League Dreams' Is that rafa's autobiography? I know Pep's coming out later this year for sure

Champions League Dreams I believe is basically his account of the CL campaigns while he was manager of us. Rory Smith is apparently ghost writing it so it should be very good.

SpartanRed · « **Reply #169 on:** June 30, 2012, 11:52:35 AM »

Was just on Sky Sports news.

Appears that Sampdoria didn't match his ambition.
Said they were happy to simply stay in the division having been promoted last season.

Stated he will consider a club that has ambitions of winning trophies.....

TSC · « **Reply #170 on:** June 30, 2012, 12:36:21 PM »

Was on sky talking about it there. Was also asked about Liverpool situation and he stated Liverpool is now a 'brand' and that 'something is missing', although recognised Rodgers will get supporters backing.

Trada · « **Reply #171 on:** June 30, 2012, 12:45:23 PM »

Quote from: TSC on June 30, 2012, 12:36:21 PM

Was also asked about Liverpool situation and he stated Liverpool is now a 'brand' and that 'something is missing',

Which is totally right,

No666 · « **Reply #172 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:43:43 PM »

Quote from: TSC on June 30, 2012, 12:36:21 PM

Was on sky talking about it there. Was also asked about Liverpool situation and he stated Liverpool is now a 'brand' and that 'something is missing', although recognised Rodgers will get supporters backing.

& it wasn't just a brand under Hicks and Gillett?

mb1111 · « **Reply #173 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:45:18 PM »

Quote from: SpartanRed on June 30, 2012, 11:52:35 AM

Stated he will consider a club that has ambitions of winning trophies.....

Looks like he's going to be out of work for a long long time! Unless he takes a step down to a lesser league.

ziggyy · « **Reply #174 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:47:52 PM »

Quote from: TSC on June 30, 2012, 12:36:21 PM

Was on sky talking about it there. Was also asked about Liverpool situation and he stated Liverpool is now a 'brand' and that 'something is missing', although recognised Rodgers will get supporters backing.

Yup, somehow, something does feel missing...

Like a winning mentality...

CarlitoB · « **Reply #175 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:50:05 PM »

Quote from: No666 on June 30, 2012, 02:43:43 PM

& it wasn't just a brand under Hicks and Gillett?

What's your point?

CarlitoB · « **Reply #176 on:** June 30, 2012, 02:55:48 PM »

Quote from: TSC on June 30, 2012, 12:36:21 PM

'something is missing'

Yeah, him.

Y2J · « **Reply #177 on:** June 30, 2012, 03:53:30 PM »

Quote from: ziggyy on June 30, 2012, 02:47:52 PM

Yup, somehow, something does feel missing...

Like a winning mentality...

Exactly what has been missing, a lot of out fans are happy accepting mediocrity these days unfortunately.

HighSix · « **Reply #178 on:** June 30, 2012, 04:07:02 PM »

I'm kind of pleased hes is not going to Sampdoria as not the most stable club so a big risk in his position but really struggle to see where next. Its a shame to see him out of management for so long & hope he gets a club that fits him soon.

MagicB8all · « **Reply #179 on:** June 30, 2012, 09:28:34 PM »

He needs a club with an owner that wants to win things and build a great club. An owner that's prepared to pay for that ambition in time and transfer fees. He also needs understanding fans… where's he gonna find that?

HighSix · « **Reply #180 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:16:15 PM »

If PSG get off to a bad start can see Carlo being sacked after last season maybe there!

MagicB8all · « **Reply #181 on:** June 30, 2012, 10:29:54 PM »

Quote from: HighSix on June 30, 2012, 10:16:15 PM

If PSG get off to a bad start can see Carlo being sacked after last season maybe there!

yeah I guess the only other options are mid table clubs with some money. But most of them have crazy owners.

Outer Mongolian Red · « **Reply #182 on:** June 30, 2012, 11:34:42 PM »

Quote from: TSC on June 30, 2012, 12:36:21 PM

Was on sky talking about it there. Was also asked about Liverpool situation and he stated Liverpool is now a 'brand' and that 'something is missing', although recognised Rodgers will get supporters backing.

He's not wrong there.

* · « **Reply #183 on:** July 1, 2012, 06:53:52 AM »

Quote from: HighSix on June 27, 2012, 10:48:13 PM

There must be issues we are unaware of just look at the managers who are able to get mid tabled jobs year in year out!

That's he's not as good as some like to think?

Either RAWK is right and the whole football world is wrong or...

It can't be more obvious how he's viewed by the kind of offers he's getting.

He's been hard-selling himself for a top job in all his interviews I've read/watched, promising doing a project, practically promising to win the European/Europa Cup. Massive fail the moment we didn't make top four after he guaranteed it. After Inter his reputation went down the drain.

Sangria · « **Reply #184 on:** July 1, 2012, 09:19:57 AM »

Quote from: * on July 1, 2012, 06:53:52 AM

That's he's not as good as some like to think?

Either RAWK is right and the whole football world is wrong or...

It can't be more obvious how he's viewed by the kind of offers he's getting.

He's been hard-selling himself for a top job in all his interviews I've read/watched, promising doing a project, practically promising to win the European/Europa Cup. Massive fail the moment we didn't make top four after he guaranteed it. After Inter his reputation went down the drain.

Benitez "guaranteed" top four but didn't manage it. Subsequent managers haven't yet managed to equal even his failure of a points total. What's worse, one of them spent all his effort playing down our chances so he'd look better in comparison. I'd rather have a manager who aims for the sky and fails, only to hit the ceiling, than one who crawls around on the floor.

And about RAWK being right and the rest of the world being wrong, I was part of a lonely group who defended Lucas when he was a laughing stock to the mainstream. I knew what I saw and I backed my judgement. The mainstream nowadays say exactly what I did then. There's a bunch of other stuff where I've deviated from mainstream opinion and been pretty specific about it, not least Hodgson's modus operandi or the mentality of the standard English football fan.

RojoLeón · « **Reply #185 on:** July 1, 2012, 10:31:48 AM »

Quote from: sangria on July 1, 2012, 09:19:57 AM

Benitez "guaranteed" top four but didn't manage it. Subsequent managers haven't yet managed to equal even his failure of a points total. What's worse, one of them spent all his effort playing down our chances so he'd look better in comparison. I'd rather have a manager who aims for the sky and fails, only to hit the ceiling, than one who crawls around on the floor.

And about RAWK being right and the rest of the world being wrong, I was part of a lonely group who defended Lucas when he was a laughing stock to the mainstream. I knew what I saw and I backed my judgement. The mainstream nowadays say exactly what I did then. There's a bunch of other stuff where I've deviated from mainstream opinion and been pretty specific about it, not least Hodgson's modus operandi or the mentality of the standard English football fan.

Funnelly enough, there is a correlation between 'dislike of rafa' (in the face of stark factual reality) and 'slating lucas' (of course, the media praise Lucas now, so he's class

) - definite overlap of media spun, belief system and just goes to show how easily manipulated consensus reality can be.

'Skywashed' isn't just a pejorative cliche - it's fully indicative of how narrative constructs shape people's opinions.

CarraG238 · « **Reply #186 on:** July 2, 2012, 07:34:30 AM »

I know he wants to manage in England, but really would love to see him take on a challenge elsewhere. None of the "big" jobs in England look like they're going to be open any time soon and think that he'd be better served going to Germany or Italy. I wonder if Bayern Munich wouldn't be a bad shout if that job became open for him.

LF · « **Reply #187 on:** July 2, 2012, 07:58:11 AM »

Quote from: sangria on July 1, 2012, 09:19:57 AM

Benitez "guaranteed" top four but didn't manage it. Subsequent managers haven't yet managed to equal even his failure of a points total. What's worse, one of them spent all his effort playing down our chances so he'd look better in comparison. I'd rather have a manager who aims for the sky and fails, only to hit the ceiling, than one who crawls around on the floor.

And about RAWK being right and the rest of the world being wrong, I was part of a lonely group who defended Lucas when he was a laughing stock to the mainstream. I knew what I saw and I backed my judgement. The mainstream nowadays say exactly what I did then. There's a bunch of other stuff where I've deviated from mainstream opinion and been pretty specific about it, not least Hodgson's modus operandi or the mentality of the standard English football fan.

hipster alert

BIGdavalad · « **Reply #188 on:** July 2, 2012, 09:26:58 AM »

Quote from: sangria on July 1, 2012, 09:19:57 AM

Benitez "guaranteed" top four but didn't manage it.

Didn't he caveat at it with 'so long as we have no more injuries' too - a few days before Johnson and Benayoun were both injured in the same match?

Phil M · « **Reply #189 on:** July 2, 2012, 12:25:53 PM »

Time this thread was binned. He's not going to Samp.

Y2J · « **Reply #190 on:** July 10, 2012, 03:17:18 PM »

Shortlisted to replace Advocat for the Russian NT along with 'Arry

Kovai Red · « **Reply #191 on:** July 10, 2012, 03:19:35 PM »

If he goes there, media will portray him as the one goes after money. If Harry goes there, they will portray him as he is going to show FA what he is capable of.

isildurrr · « **Reply #192 on:** July 10, 2012, 03:22:16 PM »

Russian national team?

Strange one...

GBF · « **Reply #193 on:** July 10, 2012, 03:28:13 PM »

cant see him taking that job

HighSix · « **Reply #194 on:** July 10, 2012, 03:52:33 PM »

Quote from: Kovai Red on July 10, 2012, 03:19:35 PM

If he goes there, media will portray him as the one goes after money. If Harry goes there, they will portray him as he is going to show FA what he is capable of.

To be fair (for once) to Redknapp he is pretty old, just been questionably sacked & not heard any other club linked to him... still cant really see them going for him though.

Hope a club job comes up for Rafa soon, much more suited to the day in day out work.

Djibriliant · « **Reply #195 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:38:15 PM »

Would be good for Russia I think. He will mix the youth and experience they have and who can criticise his record in knockout competitions?

HighSix · « **Reply #196 on:** July 10, 2012, 07:45:01 PM »

Quote from: Y2J on July 10, 2012, 03:17:18 PM

Shortlisted to replace Advocat for the Russian NT along with 'Arry

Trifficski

* · « **Reply #197 on:** July 10, 2012, 09:00:15 PM »

Quote from: BIGdavalad on July 2, 2012, 09:26:58 AM

Didn't he caveat at it with 'so long as we have no more injuries' too - a few days before Johnson and Benayoun were both injured in the same match?

A bit like Mark Hughes guaranteeing QPR will win the league this coming season, just so long they do not have any injuries no?

stoa · « **Reply #198 on:** July 10, 2012, 09:08:01 PM »

Cannot really see Rafa taking charge of a national-team (yet). I mean the man seems to be obsessed with football and improving the players at his disposal. Things that aren't really necessary for an international manager. Yes, he could try and improve their whole setup, but I'm not sure that's what he wants. I know he's after a decent project, but taking over a national-team doesn't seem to be such a project in my view...

Jimmy Conway · « **Reply #199 on:** July 10, 2012, 09:10:33 PM »

If he took the Russian job he could still live on the Wirral no?