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10 and a half years = life sentence?
« on: June 13, 2012, 07:09:09 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18420545


'A 15-year-old boy convicted of murdering a student in a row over throwing conkers in north London has been given a life sentence.

Steven Grisales, 21, was stabbed in the heart in College Close, Edmonton, last August after he went to talk to some youths, the Old Bailey heard.

The group had been throwing conkers which were in their spiky casing.

The killer, who cannot be named because of his age, was detained for a minimum of 10-and-a-half years.



..........'The defendant had been in court for burglary and robbery and was subject to electronic tag monitoring as part of a rehabilitation order imposed the month before the murder.

The prosecution told the jury the youth had removed the tag two days before the killing.

Judge Richard Marks said the boy's pre-sentence report made "grim reading" and mentioned two incidents with knives, one at school and the other involving his mother.

He added that Mr Grisales had been "an outstanding human being in many ways".

The student had been shopping for his grandmother and was on his way to Silver Street station in Edmonton when he was attacked.


......Det Insp Richard Beadle, of the Homicide and Serious Crime Command, said: "Steven did no more than stand up to an unruly youth and for that he has lost his life."

He said it was the "courageous intervention" of a local resident which stopped the knife attack from continuing.

"The man placed himself in front of Steven while the youth was repeatedly attempting to stab him again."

He added that the defendant's arrogance and contempt for others belied his age'.



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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2012, 07:21:29 PM »
To be honest are we really surprised? This kind of thing happens all the time, there will be people saying he deserves a second chance, that it is the governments fault! When in reality it's his own fault, he's a little shithouse who deserves life, but he'll be out, as you say, in no time and just generally free to wreck other people's lives!

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2012, 07:29:28 PM »
Im not going to dig out my old ' justice system ' thread.  Its all gone to pot and i stand by that.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2012, 07:43:08 PM »
liitle fuckin rat will be out in 6

The killer, who cannot be named because of his age, was detained for a minimum of 10-and-a-half years.

Not even bothered reading the story then, I take it?

As for the title of the thread: do you work for the Daily Mail?

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 08:27:43 PM »
liitle fuckin rat will be out in 6
But his arse will never get over it.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2012, 10:14:15 PM »
Seriously though, even as an ex cop, he's a kid, 15 years old, six years in the pokey,,,,he'll  either sink or swim,,,, but to send him away for life (meaning life) is, well, wrong,,,, IMHO,,,,

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2012, 10:16:02 PM »
The man he killed was only 21 himself...

Carrying a knife without decent reason should be a ten year sentence on its own.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2012, 10:26:49 PM »
Seriously though, even as an ex cop, he's a kid, 15 years old, six years in the pokey,,,,he'll  either sink or swim,,,, but to send him away for life (meaning life) is, well, wrong,,,, IMHO,,,,

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I see what you are saying mate, but he had previous. He was old enough to know right from wrong,  why did he carry a knife? The intent is there right from the start. I'm sure the family of the dead lad felt he had more to offer, but he was denied that chance, why should his killer get another chance?

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2012, 11:51:55 PM »
I see what you are saying mate, but he had previous. He was old enough to know right from wrong,  why did he carry a knife? The intent is there right from the start. I'm sure the family of the dead lad felt he had more to offer, but he was denied that chance, why should his killer get another chance?



previous before the age of 15, why?


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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2012, 11:56:50 PM »
But his arse will never get over it.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2012, 05:34:43 AM »
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2012, 06:20:03 AM »


previous before the age of 15, why?



You tell me, maybe he is just a gobshite, maybe his folks don't care, either way he is just a bad bad kid!

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2012, 08:28:14 AM »
liitle fuckin rat will be out in 6

No he won't.  He will not be out for at least ten and a half years, possibly longer.  There is no reduction applied to life sentences, they stay with you for your entire life.  He will be eligible to be considered for release on license in ten and a half years, he is not automatically out of prison on that date, it is just the earliest he can apply.  Once released, he is forever on licence, which means if he is found guilty of a crime, he'll be banged up again.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2012, 09:40:39 AM »
I know there's all the high and moral peoples around saying he's just a kid...I'd like to know how many of the prosecuted killers in the past 5 years are actually kids, I'd actually assume it's quite a large number. If they want to walk around the streets pretending to be some ghetto grown man thugs with knives then they should be treated like adults in court.

there's a lot of these 'disillusioned' kids hanging around in gangs all over the country just waiting to be a 'killer', wish that the government would actuallly look at tackling the cause of these gangs instead of being so fucking reactive. Mile up from me, 2 kids got stabbed yesterday, it happens often in that area, the police don't even bother going there, all people who value their lives stay away, residents there are so tired of it and would be happy if the place was actually bombed and 'cleansed' (exact word used at a neighbourhood meeting). People are going to get more and more extreme views like this the longer this goes on, and it would not surprise me if in a few years there ended up being more 'District 13' like areas around in London especially (Stonebridge is pretty close).
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2012, 09:52:20 AM »
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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2012, 08:54:27 PM »
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2012, 09:09:42 PM »
I think he should be shot or banged up forever, sounds like a bad seed. People like him exist to do nothing but cause misery to everyone else. He is pointless, will never achieve anything and will have nothing but a negative effect on society, same goes for a lot of people like him. If it was my brother / mate he murdered for no reason I would spend 10 and a half years planning the best way to do him in when he gets out.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2012, 10:15:52 AM »
If it was my brother / mate he murdered for no reason I would spend 10 and a half years planning the best way to do him in when he gets out.

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2012, 03:41:32 PM »
Carrying a knife without decent reason should be a ten year sentence on its own.

I don't like seeing massively long sentences handed out to criminals on the whole but the above I agree with. I agree with it as it is not only a punishment but also a deterrent. Far too many people strolling about with knives and even guns these days, something has to be done.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2012, 08:44:29 PM »
I don't even know why I'm about to try to explain this because people have clearly made their mind up without either reading or properly understanding the sentence but here goes...

He has a life sentence and must serve a minimum of 10 and a half years before he becomes eligible for release. There is no "out in 6 with good behaviour" and he will only be released when the parole board is satisfied that he is fit to be released.

Given his past convictions, that could be longer than the 10.5 years he has to serve as, I repeat, a minimum.

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2012, 08:45:57 AM »
If he is 15 why is he not being ' detained at her majestys pleasure ' ? I thought that was the law for under 18's.
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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2012, 10:17:23 AM »
I'd like to think if hes out in ten and a half years hes learnt a lesson, genuinley feels remorse and will go on to live a better life.

If not, he's more likely hes been a fuck up resulting in not getting out after that time.

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2012, 04:31:19 PM »
Now I'm off to bang my head against a wall...

There's a well worn spot already...

Not even bothered reading the story then, I take it?

As for the title of the thread: do you work for the Daily Mail?

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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2012, 05:15:21 PM »
I don't even know why I'm about to try to explain this because people have clearly made their mind up without either reading or properly understanding the sentence but here goes...

He has a life sentence and must serve a minimum of 10 and a half years before he becomes eligible for release. There is no "out in 6 with good behaviour" and he will only be released when the parole board is satisfied that he is fit to be released.

Given his past convictions, that could be longer than the 10.5 years he has to serve as, I repeat, a minimum.

Now I'm off to bang my head against a wall...





Correct & I would hazard a guess he will misbehave whilst in prison over that 10 & half years & therefore will do nearer to 12 or 13 years if he's 90% of the time well behaved he will then be in life licence & any further indiscretions no matter how trivial he will return to prison it's a 99 year licence.

He won't care now & will give it billy big bollocks as the sentence & licence won't have sunk in. The first 3 years whilst he's in Juvinile establishments will be easy but once he's 18 & done 3 or 4 years of the adult estate it will start to bite him on the arse .


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Re: 10 and a half years = life sentence?
« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2012, 08:37:10 PM »
Sounds like the low-life does not deserve a second chance, so does not really matter what the minimum term might actually be.

Why on earth is it called a life sentence when it is not for life?
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