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LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« on: June 7, 2012, 03:02:44 PM »
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http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2012/06/lfc-fsg-ffp-and-market-inefficiencies/
By Sam Jones

John W Henry is on record as saying that his plans for Liverpool were contingent on the implementation of the Financial Fair Play rules, in 2010 he confirmed that FFP was key to his decision to buy the club.

Much has been written elsewhere on the subject of FFP in general, and there is probably not much to add to that, but what could it mean, specifically, to Liverpool?

It’s fair to assume that John Henry and FSG, given that they made their money exploiting “market inefficiencies”, will have looked closely at the detail of FFP and what it means for clubs, and given their area of expertise it’s likely they will spot any advantages that it may offer.

Football clubs operate within a market, various types of revenue exist, tickets sales, sponsorship and the like, all of these things are affected by market forces, supply and demand, for example determines the “market price” for a sponsorship deal or the cost of your match ticket.

The most obvious market in football though is for players. This too is subject to market forces – the smaller the supply and greater the demand the higher the price, with the converse also being true. This is what makes Ronaldo’s market price 80 million, players of that talent are in short supply, and more than one club is able to bid for them, so they are in demand and the price goes up.

The same thing makes an average player cheap. They are in plentiful supply and there is no particular demand so the price is consequently lower.

This affects not only the transfer fee, but also the player’s salary, the combination of which is the true cost of the player. All this is, of course, patently obvious. What has it got to do with Liverpool? What has it got to do with FFP?

Given that the transfer of footballers is a market, it is currently inflated. Chelsea, Man City, Malaga, PSG all benefit from the money their sugar daddies pour into the teams. Madrid, Milan, Inter and Juve have all had money put into them by wealthy owners or benefactors, though as this is the status quo it attracts less attention. All of these clubs live beyond their means, and this is what has allowed the market for players’ fees and wages to inflate.

And so, to FFP. If it has any teeth, and whether it does or not is a separate issue, then there will be an impact on the market. The impact will be twofold – a contraction in demand, as clubs have to be more financially prudent and the level of support from owners will have to diminish, and an increase in supply as clubs will need to trim squads and reduce wage bills.

This can only lead to a reduction in price. Supply and demand dictates that, and whilst this will start by affecting the most expensive of players, it will inevitably have a knock on effect for the cheaper ones too and the end result will be a reduction in the cost of most footballers. There will still be exceptions, of course, but the exceptions seem to be the rule currently, as the cost of the likes of Stewart Downing or James Milner tells us.

This is also, probably, obvious to most, but for Liverpool it has a potentially practical application, and that is in the timing of transfers. Under FFP there is a rolling reference period of 3 years in which clubs need to, broadly, break even. Many clubs will only be able to do that by being significantly less profligate in future seasons to offset their earlier spending, meaning that it is not for a couple of years that the impact on the transfer market will be fully felt, and, if you have saved up your money then spending it at this point makes sense for two reasons.

First, you will be buying in a deflated, not an inflated market, and secondly you will be in the minority in having money to spend. Your cash will go much, much further. So, if FSG want to take advantage of this it doesn’t make sense for them to spend all the money available for transfers this summer. Or next summer.

Obviously this would not be welcomed in some quarters, and the murmurings of discontent would doubtless increase amongst those who feel FSG should have injected large sums into the playing squad, however, they always claimed they would follow a sustainable model so this was never going to be the case. The point, though, is that Liverpool, without the competitive disadvantaged conferred by Abramovich et al, are more than able to compete in the transfer market.

If this is FSG’s strategy it will clearly need to be carefully managed. Expectations are high at Liverpool, particularly in an age where a large part of our fanbase seem to use social media and the internet to fuel the fires of transfer speculation, not a summer can pass without a Mata, Silva, Villa or Alves ruining things for months before signing for someone else. The thought of not spending big in an attempt to bridge the gap will be anathema to many and this expectation will need to be carefully managed, but can this be done?

The way in which this is most likely to be palatable is in the context of a long term project, and with the appointment of Brendan Rodgers the opportunity for this presents itself. Most fans will buy in to the idea of an overhaul of the way we work as a club. A new manager, head coach, call it what you will, coupled with a change in “technical staff” is certainly that. If FSG bill it as such people will have expectations that this will come to fruition not this year, but in two or three.

In the meantime, merely adding one or two first team quality players and getting the remainder of them to play to the level they should be at will see a significant jump in our points total, a step in the right direction that is, rightly, the expectation of many. If we can get back amongst the top four places and the jump in income that the champions league brings then a real opportunity to capitalise on FFP exists, as the Liverpool “brand” has the potential to bring in far more than anyone else in England, bar Manchester United. At the same time we will see the club on a far more stable footing both on and off the pitch, with only the question of the stadium to answer.

This is, of course, all speculative. There is the risk of falling further behind in the league but with the underperformance we have endured in the league for several years now that seems unlikely. There is also the possibility that top four this season is the number one priority and that we will spend accordingly, but FSG’s history suggests the long game. It appears unlikely that we’ll spend big on marquee signings, and the lack of champions league football may hamper our pursuit of top players anyway. Another transitional season looks to be on the cards, but if the transition takes us to where we need to be that doesn’t seem so bad.

So if this summer brings us not the flavour of the month, the Championship Manager signing, this year’s Juan Mata or David Silva, but a couple of decent, reasonably priced players and the advent of attacking possession football that makes the most of what we have, then maybe – just maybe – there is a plan at work and the sky isn’t falling.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #1 on: June 7, 2012, 03:15:31 PM »
I like the article, I don't know whether it touched upon this in detail but many of our competitors will also be planning with FFP in mind.  The likes of Arsenal, United may already have plans well under way.  It is true we need to manage this process, not just expectations.  The hope is that it will be a game-changer.

I am interested to see what will happen with the clubs funded by wealthy owners.  Even without FFP, I think their outcome will be one to keep an eye on.

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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #2 on: June 7, 2012, 03:20:53 PM »
The problem with this approach (and it is probably the right approach to be honest) is it relies on too many 'outside forces' to make it work.

- We need UEFA to plug any loop holes which allows rich owners to funnel money into the club in other ways - such as City's recent sponsorship deal which is (most would say) way over market value.

- We need UEFA to really go to town on those breaking FFP rules. Without really deterring clubs from breaking the rules they will continue to do so.

- We need to hope other clubs, already further ahead of us commercially, don't have the same idea. As already mentioned, both United and Arsenal rarely spend above their means, and both have a much healthier business side of the club than us (in revenue/profit terms). Although we can do what we can to match them, we have to hope they stand still a little at the same time.
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« Reply #3 on: June 7, 2012, 03:35:27 PM »
We also need for our revenue to hold up even if we don't make the CL places on that policy, which is by no means certain. So, if we don't make it into the CL, after a few years FFP will tend to bake us into mediocrity. Plus the desirable players may be cheaper in terms of fee but we'd be even less attractive as a destination and have to inflate the salaries to compensate. In fact, because Manchester City has done its spending and now needs to rein in, because Ferguson is hand-bound by the Glaziers' debt, you could argue that this summer represents an opportunity to be a little adventurous.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #4 on: June 7, 2012, 03:35:57 PM »
Good article. Implementation of FFP is obviously key to Liverpool's long term success; Henry et al. were pretty up front that without FFP that success on the field becomes a race to see who can lose the most money the fastest, a race that I'm guessing they have no interest in participating in.

As for enforcement, we won't really know until the rubber hits the road and UEFA is confronted with having to ban/fine a "big" club. There have been some encouraging signs so far, such as the investigation into Man City's Etihad deal (as John Henry skeptically asked when it was announced, "how much were the losing bids?"). If there is FFP enforcement then City and Chelsea are screwed, leaving us to compete with Arsenal and United. Long term this could be quite favorable, as United will have to replace Fergusson, and the odds are their replacement won't be as good a manager.

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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #5 on: June 7, 2012, 03:39:42 PM »
The most successful implemntation of playing the long game has been made by Arsenal, they buit a stadium and ticked over on relatively little spending whilst maintaining top4, this is crucial, and we'll see them reap the rewards in years to come.
We have neither the benefit of a stadium, or are we comfortably nestled in a Champions league place year on year.

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« Reply #6 on: June 7, 2012, 03:41:40 PM »
The most successful implemntation of playing the long game has been made by Arsenal, they buit a stadium and ticked over on relatively little spending whilst maintaining top4, this is crucial, and we'll see them reap the rewards in years to come.
We have neither the benefit of a stadium, or are we comfortably nestled in a Champions league place year on year.

Thankfully given how long it will take for these rules to take hold, and probably even longer for UEFA to act on them, we can try and play a little bit of catch up.
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« Reply #7 on: June 7, 2012, 03:48:52 PM »
Thankfully given how long it will take for these rules to take hold, and probably even longer for UEFA to act on them, we can try and play a little bit of catch up.

But we won't catch up if we're stashing our money waiting for a downward trend in the purchase price of players.
We're hoping that UEFA are mustard on the implementation of FFP, we're hoping that 'miracle sponsorships' don't keep appearing out of the ether and relentlessly top up the coffers of the 'big boys'.
More importantly though, were hoping we'll still be attractive to the better players in 3-4 years time. We may fall even further behind, then it won't matter how much the premium players values have dipped. They just won't come.
Playing the long game is a very tactically astute move to make, but can FSG hold their nerve, can the club maintain a top 4-6 status?
If not we'll have money to burn, but be shopping with the Villas and Evertons of the world.

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« Reply #8 on: June 7, 2012, 04:02:09 PM »
The more parsimonious we are, the better. If we stick to a proper framework and squeeze every drop of value you can out of the wage bill and keep it on FFP lines, and we'll compound our growth. That's what we need to do.
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« Reply #9 on: June 7, 2012, 04:12:22 PM »
Additional revenue from the new stadium or expanding Anfield and other projects such as Asian television rights and expanding our fan base in the rest of the world is also a must.
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« Reply #10 on: June 7, 2012, 04:12:22 PM »
When will the FFP start kicking in ?
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« Reply #11 on: June 7, 2012, 04:14:59 PM »
When will the FFP start kicking in ?

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« Reply #12 on: June 7, 2012, 04:22:38 PM »
my biggest fear is that UEFA wont have the balls to challenge City and Chelsea over their spending, both have a massive way to go to become complient and it will be interesting to see if they make any attempt to reduce their spending this year.
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« Reply #13 on: June 7, 2012, 04:27:43 PM »
my biggest fear is that UEFA wont have the balls to challenge City and Chelsea over their spending, both have a massive way to go to become complient and it will be interesting to see if they make any attempt to reduce their spending this year.

It's be 3-4 years before crunch time for City or Chelsea; that said I think the real test would be if one of the European aristocracy clubs like Real Madrid/Barcelona were to be in violation of FFP.

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« Reply #14 on: June 7, 2012, 04:29:03 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: June 7, 2012, 04:30:12 PM »
It's be 3-4 years before crunch time for City or Chelsea; that said I think the real test would be if one of the European aristocracy clubs like Real Madrid/Barcelona were to be in violation of FFP.

The first 3 year accounting cycle has started in pretty sure so we should be seeing some action towards reducing their losses this summer.
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« Reply #16 on: June 7, 2012, 04:32:52 PM »
To be honest, I'd be happy this season if we trim the fat. Get rid of the highest earners who have absolutely no right to be earning and actually give no value for those huge salaries, and probably don't want to be here. Poulsen (if his last deal to Volvic wasn't permanent) Joe Cole and Alberto Balsam, I'm looking at you. Tie up the crucial members of the squad with contracts and salaries commensurate with their talent and worth to the squad. Lucas, Agger, Skrtel and Suarez, you're on my new bonus scheme. Get shut of the players who are not really deserving of a place in the squad because of talent or lack thereof, and whose transfer values are only likely to fall faster than a wannabee WAG's G-string. Come in Messrs Spearing, Downing and either Jones or Doni, you're time is up. Invest wisely in a couple of players who are likely to be more expensive if we sign them in a year or two more and who are probably more likely to attract a lower wage like Goldginger Syphilis, Iker Tina Turner Mungo Jerry and Young Bellender. Fuck, it's easy this whole Footy Manager lark. Reduce overall wages by getting rid of the players haemmorhaging money away from us and distributing it to those more deserving and replace deadwood with some cheaper exceptional talent.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #17 on: June 7, 2012, 04:36:54 PM »
my biggest fear is that UEFA wont have the balls to challenge City and Chelsea over their spending, both have a massive way to go to become complient and it will be interesting to see if they make any attempt to reduce their spending this year.

I can't see UEFA really challenging City or Chelsea (or any other johnny-come-lately club) because they know if they crack down then the sugar daddies will just pull out and that will destroy the club.   UEFA is planning on making a ton of money in the CL off these "glamour" teams.

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« Reply #18 on: June 7, 2012, 04:41:19 PM »
"In the meantime, merely adding one or two first team quality players and getting the remainder of them to play to the level they should be at will see a significant jump in our points total, a step in the right direction that is, rightly, the expectation of many. If we can get back amongst the top four places and the jump in income that the champions league brings then a real opportunity to capitalise on FFP exists, as the Liverpool “brand” has the potential to bring in far more than anyone else in England, bar Manchester United."

- This entire idea is based on a false permise. We simply are not 'one or two' first team quality players away from the top 4 so the current strategy will not deliver us the uplift in income from the CL. If that is the plan right now its utterly incongruent and them or us hoping its so (like when Werner said 'we have enough in the playing squad to win') won't make it so.

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« Reply #19 on: June 7, 2012, 04:45:29 PM »
Thoughtful article, thank you.

My view is that the real key for a club like ours is to invest money into a world class scouting team and keep on developing the academy. The former gives us much more chance of exploiting 'market inefficiencies', the latter brings us long term prospects from both players coming into our team and for selling on.

Without a new/redeveloped stadium generating revenue however, we will fall behind every year - and that project will take several years to complete while restricting income at the same time. As was noted, Arsenal are way ahead of us in that regard, especially having the record in the CL. We've knocked ourselves backwards so far with the last four years (so much money wasted on replacing managers, plus the inexplicable splurge on players) it may not be possible to catch up for a decade.
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« Reply #20 on: June 7, 2012, 04:47:55 PM »
The whole FFP thing has me worried to be honest City and Chelsea are ignoring it as are PSG and any other team who is cash rich.

FSG have built  themselves a get out clause - the same clause Kraft built for himself before he even joined.

The clubs themselves should have the power - I do not understand why UEFA are involved - the top clubs should be saying the financial doping is unacceptable. The fact they have not suggests it is in their own interests somehow or they have yet to wake up to the fact that.
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The idea we wait to spend because in two years the market will be different does not really relect the fact much like the NHS you ahve to spend more  every year just to maintain the same standard. If you dont invest you go backwards.

Thats not to say we dont live within our means just that our means have to keep increasing. We were so poor commercially this has been possible but at some point that stops.

Until genuine equality can be established by consensus then financial doping will dominate - its what capitalism is all about isn't it?

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« Reply #21 on: June 7, 2012, 04:48:10 PM »
If UEFA are as good at implementing FFP as they have been with most of their other dealings then the big spenders won't need to wipe the sweat off their brows!

We should plan for no FFP, imo.

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« Reply #22 on: June 7, 2012, 04:55:39 PM »
It's seems to me the only teams talking about FFP are the ones with owners that want to cut spending or use it as an excuse to cut spending.

The teams with lots of money don't even seem to be bothered by it and carry on spending like they always did.

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« Reply #23 on: June 7, 2012, 05:01:05 PM »
It's seems to me the only teams talking about FFP are the ones with owners that want to cut spending or use it as an excuse to cut spending.

The teams with lots of money don't even seem to be bothered by it and carry on spending like they always did.



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« Reply #24 on: June 7, 2012, 05:04:15 PM »
If UEFA are as good at implementing FFP as they have been with most of their other dealings then the big spenders won't need to wipe the sweat off their brows!

We should plan for no FFP, imo.

I fear your right but the only thing that gives me any comfort is that the biggest clubs in the country are still ourselves, the Mancs and Arsenal and all 3 of us should be shouting the house down if UEFA dont pull their finger out.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #25 on: June 7, 2012, 05:09:18 PM »
It's seems to me the only teams talking about FFP are the ones with owners that want to cut spending or use it as an excuse to cut spending.

The teams with lots of money don't even seem to be bothered by it and carry on spending like they always did.

If this chances in the future we will see.

Agreed. The early indications are that Chelsea have little regard for complying with FFP. They look likely to spend £100m net again. I doubt UEFA will say boo and FFP will be a damp squib.

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« Reply #26 on: June 7, 2012, 05:10:11 PM »
I fear your right but the only thing that gives me any comfort is that the biggest clubs in the country are still ourselves, the Mancs and Arsenal and all 3 of us should be shouting the house down if UEFA dont pull their finger out.

It will end just us shouting, like about it  TV rights and everyone else having a go at us for speaking up.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #27 on: June 7, 2012, 05:11:50 PM »
It's seems to me the only teams talking about FFP are the ones with owners that want to cut spending or use it as an excuse to cut spending.

The teams with lots of money don't even seem to be bothered by it and carry on spending like they always did.

If this chances in the future we will see.

While City and Chelsea are indeed spending lots of money on players, they are trying to "juice" the revenue side as well.

While none of us know whether UEFA would really ban a City or a Chelsea, we shouldn't underestimate that many of the traditional "big" clubs in Europe (with the most political power in their countries and within UEFA) are clubs like Juventus, Milan, Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, etc. who are mostly self sustaining financially and along with Liverpool Aresenal United have a strong self interest in enforcing FFP against the nouveau riche clubs.

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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #28 on: June 7, 2012, 05:15:34 PM »
To be honest I think we'll spend what we earn from now own regardless of FFP rules. This raises the interesting question of whether or not the gamble is worth it, I mean have 100 million to spend in a deflated market for players, the ramifications for us could be enormous. To be honest I'd rather we gained CL football before gambling on the implementation of rules created by yet another spineless governing body in football.

Edit: I'd find it hilarious if it wasn't so frustrating that years after making football all about money people don't like that football has developed all of the problems prevalent in the business world such as the corruption and greed. My only thought is that FFP is not a leveller of the playing field, that it will create greater inequality between Champions League teams and the rest. All of this stuff makes me depressed really, I'm going to go watch a movie or something.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #29 on: June 7, 2012, 05:17:49 PM »
Thoughtful article, thank you.

My view is that the real key for a club like ours is to invest money into a world class scouting team and keep on developing the academy. The former gives us much more chance of exploiting 'market inefficiencies', the latter brings us long term prospects from both players coming into our team and for selling on.

Without a new/redeveloped stadium generating revenue however, we will fall behind every year - and that project will take several years to complete while restricting income at the same time. As was noted, Arsenal are way ahead of us in that regard, especially having the record in the CL. We've knocked ourselves backwards so far with the last four years (so much money wasted on replacing managers, plus the inexplicable splurge on players) it may not be possible to catch up for a decade.

I agree with this - we should be investing in our club infrastructure and personnel - being smarter is the only way to get ahead. Arsenal have played an absolute blinder and have set themselves up for the next 50 years as a club. Once they've paid off their stadium they are laughing. They will be able to compete with any of the big clubs in europe in every prestigious competition.

No doubt we'll hear the usual cries of "what trophy do you get coming for coming in the top four" on here.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #30 on: June 7, 2012, 05:18:28 PM »
While City and Chelsea are indeed spending lots of money on players, they are trying to "juice" the revenue side as well.

While none of us know whether UEFA would really ban a City or a Chelsea, we shouldn't underestimate that many of the traditional "big" clubs in Europe (with the most political power in their countries and within UEFA) are clubs like Juventus, Milan, Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, etc. who are mostly self sustaining financially and along with Liverpool Aresenal United have a strong self interest in enforcing FFP against the nouveau riche clubs.

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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #31 on: June 7, 2012, 05:19:01 PM »
It is up to Man U, Arsenal, ourselves, Real, Barca and other clubs who don't want to see the game ruined by the likes of PSG, Chelsea and City to ensure Uefa do enforce what they have put in place.

We have to follow FFP, but we need to put pressure on that it is enforced.

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« Reply #32 on: June 7, 2012, 05:20:31 PM »
I don't think Fair Play will work and I think the game will go into financial meltdown.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #33 on: June 7, 2012, 05:25:31 PM »
I don't think Fair Play will work and I think the game will go into financial meltdown.

Why?

I personally think instead of the rules that they have done for FFP, they should have just introduced a wage cap, like they do in America Football.  All teams can only spend certain amount of money on players wages over a year.  This spreads the quality around and makes the game more about football than money.

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« Reply #34 on: June 7, 2012, 05:29:14 PM »
It is up to Man U, Arsenal, ourselves, Real, Barca and other clubs who don't want to see the game ruined by the likes of PSG, Chelsea and City to ensure Uefa do enforce what they have put in place.

We have to follow FFP, but we need to put pressure on that it is enforced.

Quite weird that people are including Real and Barca in the list of clubs that act with financial responsibility and will want to spend within their means

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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #35 on: June 7, 2012, 05:33:14 PM »
Quite weird that people are including Real and Barca in the list of clubs that act with financial responsibility and will want to spend within their means

Well, for the most part, they do. They do carry some debt but it's not nearly the problem that the English press makes it out to be.

Both clubs have massive revenues and massive worldwide fanbases- they're arguably the two biggest clubs in the world and would benefit from FFP.

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« Reply #36 on: June 7, 2012, 05:34:26 PM »
Quite weird that people are including Real and Barca in the list of clubs that act with financial responsibility and will want to spend within their means

The reason I mention them is because the FFP will favour the clubs with the large fan bases.  You can only spend what you earn from football related income, for example.  Therefore the more fans you have, the more revenue you get and more money you can spend on players.

Real / Barca are still just as vulnerable as ourselves, United and Arsenal are with foriegn owners coming and blowing away their rivals by spending massive amounts of money.

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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #37 on: June 7, 2012, 05:39:26 PM »
Financial Fair Play ?
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #38 on: June 7, 2012, 05:41:36 PM »
I personally think instead of the rules that they have done for FFP, they should have just introduced a wage cap, like they do in America Football.  All teams can only spend certain amount of money on players wages over a year.  This spreads the quality around and makes the game more about football than money.

That would be my solution too, but I think it is impossible because of 'restraint of trade' rules within the EU. The European Commission would have to make a special case for football.
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Re: LFC, FSG, FFP AND MARKET INEFFICIENCIES
« Reply #39 on: June 7, 2012, 05:44:00 PM »
Why?

Because I don't think UEFA will have the inclination to properly enforce their policy when it comes down to excluding a load of the world's biggest football clubs from their highly promoted, highly lucrative Champions league. Why would they want to dilute their own brand? All of their initiatives are about strengthening revenue and expanding the world wide market appeal, in order to stop the biggest clubs from breaking away - all FFP does it promote the idea of a break-away elite because most of the biggest clubs don't want to reign in their spending.
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