Author Topic: Charlie Adam - 2nd season (Read 56536 times)

KirkVanHouten · « **Reply #680 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:21:27 PM »

Quote from: LondonRedMan on July 14, 2012, 01:05:50 PM

Not sure why some posters have to resort to insulting our lads. I understand frustration but people need to think before posting. We are famous for being good fans...let's be that.

People who can't express their opinion in a coherent way tend to opt for slagging off and insulting the manager or players.

Beninger · « **Reply #681 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:23:59 PM »

Interested to see how his future plays out at the club.

PhilAnderer · « **Reply #682 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:34:48 PM »

If we be honest with ourselves, he's a little bit shit and has no place in a team with aspirations of improving their league position. Basically, he's a passenger in our midfield taking up a valuable slot where quality is essential. Slow and a poor footballing brain. Not even good enough as backup.

Great kidology by Mr. Ferguson by saying his set pieces are worth £10 million alone, the wise old c*nt.

PS: Ship that other no-good twat , Downing out too. A gutless performer who'll never come good, ever!

Sevo · « **Reply #683 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:48:16 PM »

Quote from: PhilAnderer on July 15, 2012, 05:34:48 PM

If we be honest with ourselves, he's a little bit shit and has no place in a team with aspirations of improving their league position. Basically, he's a passenger in our midfield taking up a valuable slot where quality is essential. Slow and a poor footballing brain. Not even good enough as backup.

Great kidology by Mr. Ferguson by saying his set pieces are worth £10 million alone, the wise old c*nt.

PS: Ship that other no-good twat , Downing out too. A gutless performer who'll never come good, ever!

I agree completely with your assessment of these two, but I wouldn't have used such personal language. Whatever their footballing ability, they are Liverpool players and deserve basic respect for that.

Tony18:5 · « **Reply #684 on:** July 15, 2012, 05:54:16 PM »

Quote from: Sevo on July 15, 2012, 05:48:16 PM

I agree completely with your assessment of these two, but I wouldn't have used such personal language. Whatever their footballing ability, they are Liverpool players and deserve basic respect for that.

I agree, some people may not rate the current RAWK scapegoat but there's no need for personal stuff like that.

lorenzo23 · « **Reply #685 on:** July 15, 2012, 06:35:27 PM »

Quote from: Al 555 on July 15, 2012, 01:54:57 PM

Okay it was an oversight Kenny never noticed Meireles leaving or Luacs getting injured.

To be honest mate i agree with lot you say and i can see reluctant to trust owners but we can't always blame them for managers faults! I never get that image out my mind of Kenny driving Adam into Melwood or him repeatedly picking Carra was that the owners as well?

PhilAnderer · « **Reply #686 on:** July 15, 2012, 06:44:16 PM »

Sorry about the language folks, just frustrated that we are looking to ship the wrong person out. At least Andy Carroll would offer us a plan B, even if he doesn't start.

Pistolero · « **Reply #687 on:** July 15, 2012, 07:06:02 PM »

Greatest supporters in the land.

PhilAnderer · « **Reply #688 on:** July 15, 2012, 09:35:12 PM »

Quote from: Pistolero on July 15, 2012, 07:06:02 PM

Greatest supporters in the land.

Absolutely, intelligence beats blind faith hands down.

Pistolero · « **Reply #689 on:** July 15, 2012, 10:00:10 PM »

Quote from: PhilAnderer on July 15, 2012, 09:35:12 PM

Absolutely, intelligence beats blind faith hands down.

Quote from: PhilAnderer on July 15, 2012, 05:34:48 PM

PS: Ship that other no-good twat , Downing out too. A gutless performer who'll never come good, ever!

AisoD · « **Reply #690 on:** July 15, 2012, 10:01:27 PM »

Quote from: PhilAnderer on July 15, 2012, 05:34:48 PM

If we be honest with ourselves, he's a little bit shit and has no place in a team with aspirations of improving their league position. Basically, he's a passenger in our midfield taking up a valuable slot where quality is essential. Slow and a poor footballing brain. Not even good enough as backup.

Great kidology by Mr. Ferguson by saying his set pieces are worth £10 million alone, the wise old c*nt.

PS: Ship that other no-good twat , Downing out too. A gutless performer who'll never come good, ever!

Adam is by no means a great footballer but he is a decent player.

Ridiculous to call him gutless when he's anything but. One thing he has never done on a football pitch is a hid. He takes responsibility, sometimes too much for my liking but gutless he's not.

We bought him for £6m. And despite some horrid performances, he also provided us with many match winning performances and moments. Adam has a place in this Liverpool squad, not an important one but a place nonetheless.

keyo · « **Reply #691 on:** July 15, 2012, 10:46:38 PM »

Quote from: Al 555 on July 15, 2012, 01:47:35 PM

From last season pass completion rate in the Premier League.

Leon Britton............. 93.5%
Joe Allen...................91.5%

Charlie Adam.............79.5%

So it looks like either Charlie massively changes his game or he doesn't play.

not just adam, but us......stats mislead here in that the swansea players did play a very short passing possession game, where everything was driven to keeping the ball, especially britton whose role was entirely to recycle the ball.....adam and liverpool did not play the same way and his stats would not be likely to keep that level up.....so, we need to change, and adam too as part of that.....if he is capable enough we will see his stats improve along with those of other players...whilst if not, he will not retain a place to generate stats

PhilAnderer · « **Reply #692 on:** July 16, 2012, 07:33:38 PM »

Quote from: AisoD on July 15, 2012, 10:01:27 PM

Adam is by no means a great footballer but he is a decent player.

Ridiculous to call him gutless when he's anything but. One thing he has never done on a football pitch is a hid. He takes responsibility, sometimes too much for my liking but gutless he's not.

We bought him for £6m. And despite some horrid performances, he also provided us with many match winning performances and moments. Adam has a place in this Liverpool squad, not an important one but a place nonetheless.

I think you misread my post mate. I was referring to Downing as the gutless performer who hides on the pitch, shirks responsibility, sideways or backward passes. I do remember he made one fantastic run and let go a rocket that flashed the crossbar, very early last season. A distant memory now. Then he shrunk back into Downing mode. Plus he cost a damn site more than £6m.

stevenseagal · « **Reply #693 on:** July 16, 2012, 07:59:22 PM »

Quote from: PhilAnderer on July 16, 2012, 07:33:38 PM

I think you misread my post mate. I was referring to Downing as the gutless performer who hides on the pitch, shirks responsibility, sideways or backward passes. I do remember he made one fantastic run and let go a rocket that flashed the crossbar, very early last season. A distant memory now. Then he shrunk back into Downing mode. Plus he cost a damn site more than £6m.

It's all true, thats the sad part.

zufar · « **Reply #694 on:** July 16, 2012, 08:46:24 PM »

A new season could cause a big improvement. But who knows.

Spanish Al · « **Reply #695 on:** July 16, 2012, 09:15:44 PM »

Has a good passing range and if he can hit a 40 yard pass with precision, Im sure a short pass would be fine. Just needs a chat with Rodgers to change his approach and to play that shorter ball more often.

Usefull at set pieces and a more than capable back up. Lets not sell players because they arent good enough for the first 11. Im sure Rodgers will buy quality for the first 11 and a few of last seasons starting lineup will be demoted to back up. We'd have a very strong squad then, and that will be important with four competitions next year and one thats starts in a couple of weeks.

GlenJohnson2 · « **Reply #696 on:** July 16, 2012, 09:16:33 PM »

Think it's

to him if we manage to sign Allen.

jah008 · « **Reply #697 on:** July 16, 2012, 10:43:57 PM »

Just saw some photos of the boys training, is it just me or does it look like Charlie lost a few pounds compared to what he was at the start of last season?

Halibut-Thumb · « **Reply #698 on:** July 17, 2012, 10:33:28 AM »

I wonder why the concept of "form" is so hard for much of RAWK to grasp.. Seem to remember Xabi Alonso having an ordinary season and nearly being shipped out to Juve for 14 million pounds, all of a sudden the next year he wasn't only back to his best bu surpassing it and he's of to Real for 30 million playing a key role in World Cup, Euro and La Liga successes.. Or Lucas being the shittest thing since Diouf, now he's considered one of the best DM's in the WORLD and one of our core players who we severely missed last season.

If Rodger's gives Adam and Downing a chance I hope the supporters do because they've certainly played better than last season before..

keyo · « **Reply #699 on:** July 17, 2012, 10:45:27 AM »

Quote from: Halibut-Thumb on July 17, 2012, 10:33:28 AM

I wonder why the concept of "form" is so hard for much of RAWK to grasp.. Seem to remember Xabi Alonso having an ordinary season and nearly being shipped out to Juve for 14 million pounds, all of a sudden the next year he wasn't only back to his best bu surpassing it and he's of to Real for 30 million playing a key role in World Cup, Euro and La Liga successes.. Or Lucas being the shittest thing since Diouf, now he's considered one of the best DM's in the WORLD and one of our core players who we severely missed last season.

If Rodger's gives Adam and Downing a chance I hope the supporters do because they've certainly played better than last season before..

haha......surely you know the saying," form is temporary, but fan's opinions are permanent!!!"

Pistolero · « **Reply #700 on:** July 17, 2012, 11:06:36 AM »

Quote from: jah008 on July 16, 2012, 10:43:57 PM

Just saw some photos of the boys training, is it just me or does it look like Charlie lost a few pounds compared to what he was at the start of last season?

yep...looking fairly lean and mean...although he was standing next to Joe Cole at the time so everything's relative

jimmyred2010 · « **Reply #701 on:** July 17, 2012, 11:11:14 AM »

With all these stats etc, surely we can not judge a player from liverpool to swansea fully on stats.

Reason being is the styles of play, if adam is hitting long balls all the time and not being successful with them it is different to the way swansea played. Short passing, pass and move. If Adam was told to cut out long balls, keep it in the pass and move system, his passing percentage would increase.

Just different styles of play. I think i even saw john terry on that list, doesn't mean he is the best passer of the ball, just means he plays it easy all the time.

lorenzo23 · « **Reply #702 on:** July 17, 2012, 12:30:05 PM »

Quote from: Halibut-Thumb on July 17, 2012, 10:33:28 AM

I wonder why the concept of "form" is so hard for much of RAWK to grasp.. Seem to remember Xabi Alonso having an ordinary season and nearly being shipped out to Juve for 14 million pounds, all of a sudden the next year he wasn't only back to his best bu surpassing it and he's of to Real for 30 million playing a key role in World Cup, Euro and La Liga successes.. Or Lucas being the shittest thing since Diouf, now he's considered one of the best DM's in the WORLD and one of our core players who we severely missed last season.

If Rodger's gives Adam and Downing a chance I hope the supporters do because they've certainly played better than last season before..

He don't compare too them two so........its not the same Barcelona didn't have best of season would anyone call them shit? or is it we know Barcelona had bad season compared to their standards. Adam standard are not far high from what we saw last year he never been good at tackling or passing short? only thing he can complain about is his set piece other than that this was Adam we saw at Blackpool when he was on fire just not two players doing his work for him.

vishy01234 · « **Reply #703 on:** July 17, 2012, 01:10:22 PM »

I am not a huge Charlie Adam fan, but unlike other players his performances last season at least maintained his value. He conducts himself well, has passion for Liverpool and is still only 26 so his value is not going to decrease much if we choose to give him a chance this season.

I think most people don't doubt he's a decent player, but just don't want him starting week in week out.

Crixus · « **Reply #704 on:** July 17, 2012, 02:08:53 PM »

Agree with those who think that those being very harsh on him are wrong. He isn't shit. He's a decent player. However, he can be absolutely awful i remember he had two games in a row, one being against Wolves in the first half of the season (so the other was either before or after, i can't remember) where he was absolutel shocking, Kuyt-esque shocking. Then again it was his first season with us, Lucas got injured, we were shit overall and he was the main man in the most important position with the likes of Henderson and Fucking Downing out wide and and for the most part a useless Carroll ahead of him. People are being very harsh on him, some being the same people who think Downing might do better and Kuyt should have started more even though Adam got more goals and assists than both put together...

The 92A · « **Reply #705 on:** July 17, 2012, 02:28:22 PM »

Criticism of Adam is acceptable on here but stating you hate him crosses the line, don't want to dish out warnings so can people think before they post. Thanks.

john_mac · « **Reply #706 on:** July 17, 2012, 02:33:22 PM »

Quote from: The 92A on July 17, 2012, 02:28:22 PM

Criticism of Adam is acceptable on here but stating you hate him crosses the line, don't want to dish out warnings so can people think before they post. Thanks.

'Think before you post'? Some of the bile in this thread is an absolute fucken disgrace, the c*nts spouting it deserve fuck all.

Fromola · « **Reply #707 on:** July 17, 2012, 02:37:47 PM »

Quote from: Crixus on July 17, 2012, 02:08:53 PM

Agree with those who think that those being very harsh on him are wrong. He isn't shit. He's a decent player. However, he can be absolutely awful i remember he had two games in a row, one being against Wolves in the first half of the season (so the other was either before or after, i can't remember) where he was absolutel shocking, Kuyt-esque shocking. Then again it was his first season with us, Lucas got injured, we were shit overall and he was the main man in the most important position with the likes of Henderson and Fucking Downing out wide and and for the most part a useless Carroll ahead of him. People are being very harsh on him, some being the same people who think Downing might do better and Kuyt should have started more even though Adam got more goals and assists than both put together...

Adam is far too inconsistent and erratic to rely upon.

I could probably name a dozen games from last season were Adam was absolutely woeful. Games like Spurs away, Swansea at home, Norwich at home, Wolves at home, Sunderland away, Arsenal at home, the Carling Cup final - he was an embarrassment. At the same time I could list half-a-dozen games or so, where he did play well. But you'll never get consistency from him.

keyo · « **Reply #708 on:** July 18, 2012, 08:36:49 AM »

Quote from: Fromola on July 17, 2012, 02:37:47 PM

Adam is far too inconsistent and erratic to rely upon.

I could probably name a dozen games from last season were Adam was absolutely woeful. Games like Spurs away, Swansea at home, Norwich at home, Wolves at home, Sunderland away, Arsenal at home, the Carling Cup final - he was an embarrassment. At the same time I could list half-a-dozen games or so, where he did play well. But you'll never get consistency from him.

you probably could, and if you went through the team you could probably do the same for each and every one of the players bar the odd few.....does not mean he gets a free pass, but i think the judgements on here of some with regard to his qualities are fairly shor t sighted, he can pass, and he is a player who does make things happen and tries things......his weaknesses are clear, defensively he gets into poor positions and makes it harder for himself and others accordingly

i tnd to agree that he is not a consistent performer, and that has been his way throughout his career.....so we can move him on or manage that....like i said it will be interesting to see if he gets used by rodgers and how, if we play 3 midfielders i think it may suit him quite well, especially with 2 others who can pass and move

El_Pistolero · « **Reply #709 on:** July 18, 2012, 09:10:38 AM »

Charlie's always up for seconds, don't know what you're all worried about.

Master ScouseKnee · « **Reply #710 on:** July 18, 2012, 09:36:59 AM »

Charlie looking svelte behind Carra here:

lgvkarlos · « **Reply #711 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:24:35 AM »

The coach driver looks slimmer than Charlie

ruairimacliam · « **Reply #712 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:26:43 AM »

Cant wait to see his left peg in action this year.

At least with him we can get some proper delivery into the box from corners. Just wish Gerrard would stop taking them.

henry · « **Reply #713 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:35:40 AM »

Quote from: keyo on July 18, 2012, 08:36:49 AM

you probably could, and if you went through the team you could probably do the same for each and every one of the players bar the odd few.....does not mean he gets a free pass, but i think the judgements on here of some with regard to his qualities are fairly shor t sighted, he can pass, and he is a player who does make things happen and tries things......his weaknesses are clear, defensively he gets into poor positions and makes it harder for himself and others accordingly

i tnd to agree that he is not a consistent performer, and that has been his way throughout his career.....so we can move him on or manage that....like i said it will be interesting to see if he gets used by rodgers and how, if we play 3 midfielders i think it may suit him quite well, especially with 2 others who can pass and move

if we are playing 3 midfielders with Lucas are in the middle of the 3, that mean Adam HAS to be one of the 2 who do the pass and move. It will be interesting to see how the manager is going to fit him into his prefer formation and way of play. He showed in a few game last season that he does pass and move quite well when he push up from midfield until he tried to take on the defenders and lost the ball.
he is not known for being a pass and move, running at defenders(without losing the ball) type of player as he is/was famous for his set-pieces and long passes, so it would be good to see how he is use within the team.

i personally think Carroll would be useful to the manager from the group of players we have than Adam, and as he is willing to move Carroll on, i won't be surprise if he would do the same to Adam if any interest has been shown from other club.

Get · « **Reply #714 on:** July 18, 2012, 10:47:45 AM »

Quote from: Master ScouseKnee on July 18, 2012, 09:36:59 AM

Charlie looking svelte behind Carra here:

someone said few days ago in the priciest thread how charlie looks like he lost a few kilos, he should think again

scatman · « **Reply #715 on:** July 18, 2012, 11:30:09 AM »

he should get another season, it's silly getting rid of him after a year, he's not even past his 'peak'.

I'm not a fan of Charlie's but like Aquilani, i believe both actually deserve a chance to prove they can perform here. Even Downing who is ridiculed a lot deserves another chance. 1 season is not enough to judge any player, 18 months moreso, 2 seasons you can possibly be more conclusive.

banksybanks · « **Reply #716 on:** July 18, 2012, 11:35:03 AM »

Quote from: Get on July 18, 2012, 10:47:45 AM

someone said few days ago in the priciest thread how charlie looks like he lost a few kilos, he should think again

I would have expected him to lose a few lbs on his honeymoon, then again, he's been in the States for a few days now, so is probably piling it back on again!

Agree with those who say he is nothing more than a squad player, and although I thought he improved throughout the season, he did (IMHO) go missing quite a bit, particularly in the second half of a few games when we were on the back foot.

He would be a logical player to move on if we end up keeping Cole/Aquilani and possibly bring in Allen as well, but I've not heard a mention of anyone expressing an interest in him

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #717 on:** July 18, 2012, 12:06:44 PM »

Charlie is a squad player who was overplayed last season due to injuries and due to the way our owners decided to refuse funds for a Lucas replacement during January. With better players around him and in a midfield of three rather then two, he would be a very good squad player this season should he stay. The only reason why I'd consider selling him is because I believe we could easily get back what we paid for him, so if that money could be used to upgrade our midfield it should be done.

Other then that I see no problem in him staying, I'm sure he'll give us plenty good moments, assists, goals and his best effort.

Matt8Pie · « **Reply #718 on:** July 18, 2012, 12:13:20 PM »

Quote from: Zlenpasha on July 18, 2012, 12:06:44 PM

Charlie is a squad player who was overplayed last season due to injuries and due to the way our owners decided to refuse funds for a Lucas replacement during January. With better players around him and in a midfield of three rather then two, he would be a very good squad player this season should he stay. The only reason why I'd consider selling him is because I believe we could easily get back what we paid for him, so if that money could be used to upgrade our midfield it should be done.

Other then that I see no problem in him staying, I'm sure he'll give us plenty good moments, assists, goals and his best effort.

He wasn't a squad player, he was a first team starter that our manager personally drove to Melwood to sign and he displaced Meireles. I'm sick of this "squad player" myth.

Zlenpasha · « **Reply #719 on:** July 18, 2012, 12:21:22 PM »

Quote from: Matt8Pie on July 18, 2012, 12:13:20 PM

He wasn't a squad player, he was a first team starter that our manager personally drove to Melwood to sign and he displaced Meireles. I'm sick of this "squad player" myth.

Doesn't matter, maybe he was considered a first team player, he shouldn't have been one anyway and it was a mistake if Kenny saw so much in him. He is and should have been a squad player, now he will be just that and I think he'll function just fine with only so much responsibility and playing time.