Topic: Charlie Adam - 2nd season

[henry]

if Aquilani is staying then sell Adam, if not then keep him for another season or until Jojo has surpassed him (in my mind, he is almost there just need another couple of month under his belt).







 

[Discipline]

I'm going to be honest and I'm going to say I don't rate the guy. I have to say that he is a scapegoat though. He wasn't THAT bad. His form dipped with Lucas, but who's didn't? If Rodgers decides to keep him, he obviously sees something in him. With us playing potentially 6x games next season, and knowing he's not going to be a guaranteed starter, I can see him staying. Won't be the end of the world if he does leave though. So I'm 50-50.

[Pistolero]

That works better with tomato. Spud or Shpud is a good alternative.

Anyway, I don't think anyone who is good enough to be a squad player is good enough for Liverpool. If we start accepting players who can just "do a job" we're on a slippery slope. This is Liverpool FC we're talking about.

off the top of my head...

Sammy Lee
David Fairclough
David Johnstone
Peter Cormack
Maxi Rodriguez
Gary Ablett
John Wark
Patrick Berger
Vladimír Smicer
Milan Baros
Luis Garcia
Yossi Benayoun

etc
etc

all more or less squad players...all 'did a job' for LFC and a decent one at that......not every team member has to be a Panini sticker boy

Adam is, or rather could be, another one to add to that list..

[Notayesman]

His weaknesses weren't there because of a weakened Liverpool team though, as they were the same ones that were apparent when he played for Blackpool and Scotland. Unreliable short game, unreliable in defence, too apt to look for the spectacular. You want reliability in midfield. Impact is what the front 4 is for.

With all due respect Scotland and Blackpool were not at Liverpool's level so how you can place him in a worse set up and say 'so there' is beyond me. Again all those charges could be leveled at Gerrard but for me out of Stevie, Spearing and Adam the scot is the one I'd play in CM first. He has his weaknesses but I think with a tighter game plan and midfield 3 which hopefully Rodgers will bring he could do better. Don't get me wrong, he drove me mad at times last season and he his lax in defence (so is Scholes) but he has ability and with us in 4 competitions next year he will have a role to play. I don't see how Sigurdsonn's arrival will impact on him as he seems to be more of a Gerrard/Lampard unless people are suggesting Gerrard will drop back but that's out of the frying pan into the fire stuff and makes no sense. Aquilani's return might spell the end for him but it's clear as fucking daylight that the lad wants to live in Italy, anyone suggesting otherwise is being naive in the extreme. If we can improve on him fantastic but I think he could still be a decent squad player for us.

[Notayesman]

That works better with tomato. Spud or Shpud is a good alternative.

Anyway, I don't think anyone who is good enough to be a squad player is good enough for Liverpool. If we start accepting players who can just "do a job" we're on a slippery slope. This is Liverpool FC we're talking about.

Yeh but then there's also that land called reality where you don't have 22 stars in your squad. It's the one we currently inhabit.

[Billy The Kid.]

I don't think he'll feature in Rodgers' plans at all

He's a very mediocre player to be honest. One of our poorest signings in recent years

[Another Red]

Not sure he'll get a second season here. Of the players we signed last season, he's most likely to be moved on. A squad player at best when everyone is fit and healthy.

[Junkle]

One thing I like about coaches/managers is that they can make or destroy a player. Mascherano at West Ham and Liverpool is a case in point. If you have a clueless manager or the manager with no proper structure you will end up with Mascherano on the bench.

Let us give Adam a chance. I think his wayward passing will only improve within a structure. I don't think we had a proper structure in the past 6-8 months. I think Lucas left with it and we became a team which was content with keeping the ball and not really doing much with that possession. I believe it was just the issue of confidence as the team lost silly games.

[Notayesman]

Not sure he'll get a second season here. Of the players we signed last season, he's most likely to be moved on. A squad player at best when everyone is fit and healthy.

Well expand on that a little. Would you have Spearing, Henderson and Gerrard ahead of him as a partner for Lucas because I wouldn't Henderson will improve but he's not ready yet, Spearing may never get there and Gerrard isn't a CM. So unless Aquilani does come back which I think is highly unlikely then I can't how we're so stocked with CM's that we can just feck him off. We need another CM but even then for me Adam might still have a role here.

[rossipersiempre]

This thread would be better entitled "Charlie Adam - Stick or Twist?"

Or if I had written the OP, "Charlie Adam - Shit or Get off the Pot"

We've seen what his game is all about. And he's not remotely up to scratch for LFC.

[Crixus]

If he's happy being behind Gerrard, Lucas, Henderson, Aquilani, Shelvey, Siggurdson (hopefully) and a new DM. Then keep him. If not...

[Billy The Kid.]

Well expand on that a little. Would you have Spearing, Henderson and Gerrard ahead of him as a partner for Lucas because I wouldn't Henderson will improve but he's not ready yet, Spearing may never get there and Gerrard isn't a CM. So unless Aquilani does come back which I think is highly unlikely then I can't how we're so stocked with CM's that we can just feck him off. We need another CM but even then for me Adam might still have a role here.

You're forgetting a certain Mr. Shelvey is still in our ranks

I'd play Shelvey ahead of Adam every day of the week and twice on Sunday

[WhiteHeat]

Would Adam be suited to tiki-taka?

Brendan won't tolerate these Hollywood passes every 10 seconds that's for sure.

[Notayesman]

Would Adam be suited to tiki-taka?

Brendan won't tolerate these Hollywood passes every 10 seconds that's for sure.

So Stevie's gone as well by that reckoning.

You're forgetting a certain Mr. Shelvey is still in our ranks

I'd play Shelvey ahead of Adam every day of the week and twice on Sunday

Shelvey is a prospect but he'd a few mares himself last season not least the game before the cup final. Young lads tend to get cut some slack (rightly so) for their first few weeks in the team and then a couple of mistakes and people will be all over them like a rash. Also I don't think Adam is competing with Gerrard/Shelvey/Sigurdson but with Lucas/Henderson/Spearing and I'd take him over Spearing for a start and Hendo too at the moment. Don't even get me started on Gerrard back there.

[Jason_King]

So Stevie's gone as well by that reckoning.

Shelvey is a prospect but he'd a few mares himself last season not least the game before the cup final. Young lads tend to get cut some slack (rightly so) for their first few weeks in the team and then a couple of mistakes and people will be all over them like a rash. Also I don't think Adam is competing with Gerrard/Shelvey/Sigurdson but with Lucas/Henderson/Spearing and I'd take him over Spearing for a start and Hendo too at the moment. Don't even get me started on Gerrard back there.

I dont think I would take him over spearing or hendo to be honest. I would rather have Spearing buzzing about and just giving it to a red shirt, have Aqua, Gerrard taking the intricate passes on

[PhilV]

Would prefer if he didn't have a second season with us to be honest...

[geoffstrong]

Blackpool played to his strengths and he had Vaughn to help him, he was typical big fish in a little pond, with us just one of many and it showed and losing Lucas hurt him, now having said that I cannot see him fitting into the Rodgers system.

[rossipersiempre]

Would prefer if he didn't have a second season with us to be honest...

Some of us were feeling very uneasy at the thought of a first, to be honest.

Hopefully, his injury rehab is going well enough to be fit for a run out in 'shop window' pre-season to get one of the minnows to bite.

[scouse29]

Fordy just sent me a text and reckons he will score 24 goals, 13 assists, cover more metres per game than any other outfield player, win player of the year, football writers player of the year, PFA player of the year, help Scotland towards winning their world cup group, become vice captain and captain, train the reserves and assist with match day parking.

[kenny78]

Needs a 2nd season before we think of selling on

[rossipersiempre]

Needs a 2nd season before we think of selling on

Giving him more time is the very worst thing we could possibly do. We've seen exactly what he's about, and the massive deficiencies to his game. Why suffer more? I'd rather we give that time to a better player like Sigurdsson coming in.

[Hazell]

I'm glad Kuyt's gone, if only because Rossi can focus his ire totally on Adam.

[Robert_B]

His reckless tackling is enough to get rid. Absolute liability defensively, compounded by his lack of mobility and the fact that his attacking game and set pieces almost entirely deserted him last season.

Nope. I just can't see him being good enough for what we want next season.

The only saving grace is that we bought him in the summer for half what he was being touted at the earlier January.

[surfer]

Admired what Rodgers did with Swansea, but if such a system is going to work, there can be no obvious weak points. Adam, for his good qualities (stop sniggering you at the back) is one. As is Carragher. The selection / non - selection of these players may indicate how serious the manager is in terms of implementing his ideas into the team.

[ChristophLFC]

That frankly is a load of bollox. I'm not his biggest fan but I think he's more than a useful squad player and he will most certainly fit Rodgers philosophy because closing down does not mean barnstorming around for 90 mins chasing every ball, it's also about cutting off space. By the way as regards to criticism of his pace, none of Alonso, Pirlo or Xavi are anyway quick and they've done ok in their careers. That's NOT to say he's at their level its just a point that it's not the most important thing in that position.

Personally, I think we got exactly what we paid for and his return of 6 assists and 2 goals is good given it was his first season and he missed a chunk of it. He has got a lot of work to do on his defensive game but from the list of 'bad things' in the OP, all four could equally be applied to Gerrard. Adam's not perfect and I'd prefer to see someone else as Lucas' long term partner but he gets an undue amount of stick on this forum and he has talent.

he's not good enough for a top club pure and simple

the amounts of times the opposition players walked through our midfield when he was playing was laughable

at the end of the day you have to ask yourself is adam good enough/worth it to be carried through every match he plays? exactly what lucas was doing.....

no.

[rushandapush]

No good enough. Feet to slow.

[bornandbRED]

Am I the only one who thought he was actually pretty decent up until Lucas got injured?

[rossipersiempre]

His reckless tackling is enough to get rid. Absolute liability defensively, compounded by his lack of mobility and the fact that his attacking game and set pieces almost entirely deserted him last season.

Add to that list of flaws a fundamental lack of footballing intelligence, bad enough in other positions but absolutely fatal in a midfield supposed playmaker.

[ChristophLFC]

Am I the only one who thought he was actually pretty decent up until Lucas got injured?

he only looked good because lucas was world class in every game they played together.

if you watch those games back you will see it was all lucas doing the dirty work

thats how adam plays/looks good, remember at blackpool when he looked good? that was because he had 2 other players doing all the work for him.

[youll never walk alone it]

sell, sell sell.

[fowlermagic]

Did alright when paired with Lucas even looked worth the few million we paid for him but went downhill once Lucas got injured and attracted the scapegoats that love to feed off any tuft they find on the Anfield pitch. Should he get another season? I wouldnt be bothered if he did as I always thought he should be an experienced backup while we get back to those days filling CM with 15m - 20m players like Alonso, Masch & Co.

[BigAl24]

I really hope this thread is closed before Fordy see's it, otherwise this forum is gonna blow the fuck up.

[something awful]

I really hope this thread is closed before Fordy see's it, otherwise this forum is gonna blow the fuck up.

I bet right now he's refreshing the page, vomiting every time a negative post pops up.

Just a note on statistics - they don't tell the whole story. Statistically Adam did alright last season, but where's the statistic for "counter attacking moves that get brought to a crunching halt because Adam has kept the ball too long and the defence has got back to cover"? That was my biggest issue with him, lack of intelligence.

[rowan_d]

I really hope this thread is closed before Fordy see's it, otherwise this forum is gonna blow the fuck up.

I hope it stays open until he sees it.

Fordy vs Rossi will be spectacular

[Not A Scouser]

The Rodgers system is based on tactical discipline, making quick decisions, retaining possession, pressing the ball if lost.

The Adam method of playing is based on seeing passes that others don't, creating with the longer ball, moving around the field to create his own options, taking a touch to look up and he's willing to play defensively but hardly a relentless athlete able to press without fouling.

Put Charlie Adam in the right "system" less structured and more creative, deeper and with quick forwards and he can be a very good player.  Having him draw out the opposition by patiently recycling the ball with quick, short passes is not his style.  Having him relentlessly close down the opposition without fouling after the ball is lost is not his style.

[DougLFC94]

Did Blackpool played 4-3-3 during Charlie's time there?

Certainly did.

[koptician]

off the top of my head...

Sammy Lee
David Fairclough
David Johnstone
Peter Cormack
Maxi Rodriguez
Gary Ablett
John Wark
Patrick Berger
Vladimír Smicer
Milan Baros
Luis Garcia
Yossi Benayoun

etc
etc

all more or less squad players...all 'did a job' for LFC and a decent one at that......not every team member has to be a Panini sticker boy

Adam is, or rather could be, another one to add to that list..

Every single player you have listed is significantly better than Adam

Paddy Berger a squad player?!  He was one of the Czech team stars when we signed him.

[Dirk18Kuyt]

I think as long as he isn't playing the full 90 of every game like he was under Kenny then he'll be better.

[Gnurglan]

Adam may fit in a 4-3-3, but if we intend to play 4-2-3-1, then I am not sure Adam has a place. We'd settle for him. He wouldn't actually be this fundamental, quality player we need. And we need to add first picks. That's the way to improve. We have enough backup players. Adam is one of them.

[Del_c]

there is some bollocks written here....