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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #200 on: June 5, 2012, 12:17:43 PM »
What is the new communications director doing anyway? Surely he should be dealing with this malarkey.
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #202 on: June 5, 2012, 12:18:57 PM »
I justy can't get my head around Ayre, if I'm honest, wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. That said wonder if this would have been done without running it past the new Communication director.

A lot of the communication since his appointment has been so positive, particularly Rodgers, just wonder if thisd may have been seen as something to get fans 'on side' given the amount of stick that Whelan has had from us.

Not that I don't see conspiracies everywhere.

I can picture Jen Chang walking in the first week on the job, "right, for starters Ian I think you should blast Dave Whelan in the press as soon as possible. Try to come up with a witty put down."

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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #203 on: June 5, 2012, 12:19:06 PM »
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Ayres should be put back in his box until then
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #204 on: June 5, 2012, 12:23:58 PM »
If everything turns into, he's a knob-You're haterez, the site becomes tedious. The posters who put thought into their contributions from both sides can add to our understanding. Your sensible defence of Ayer made me think, why is it wrong for him to speak out against Whelan and not Suarez and come to the conclusion that  the concrete circumstances determine whether a football Football Exec should comment or not. It was wrong that the club didn't  respond at a level above the manager when the Suarez affair had become more than a football problem and threatened the fabric of the club but wrong to dignify a buffoon with a response. It's the issue that determines whether it requires a response. Arguments with reason can improve the understanding for both sides

I understand that entirely, but then there's a grey area, and there's a learning curve, and there's trusting other people to do their jobs too, and all sorts of other issues which need to be taken into consideration on the Suarez affair. Not so much this. This is just silly. But I do think we need to move on from the Suarez thing. Mistakes were made. Heads rolled. Unless we want Ayre and the owners to sack themselves, that's the end of it. They clearly recognise that mistakes were made and it wasn't handled well. It's part of the reason behind the overhaul at the club now. We can't keep attacking them for something they're attempting to put right. It's tiresome and counter-productive.
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #205 on: June 5, 2012, 12:24:36 PM »
I don't see how people are seeing this as in anyway a good thing. Getting involved in the crappest, least witty, tit-for-tat battle with Dave 'I'll suck cocks for publicity' Whelan? How on earth isn't this beneath us?
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #206 on: June 5, 2012, 12:24:41 PM »
Ayre is not good enough for this club .left kenny hanging out to dry when he should have supported him  needs to go

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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #207 on: June 5, 2012, 12:28:29 PM »
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #208 on: June 5, 2012, 12:30:14 PM »
It's not just the one statement though he was stupid enough to go to the press with the notion of grabbing more of the TV rights, he was stupid enough to go to the press with comments about City's Stadium sponsorship deal, he hid when the Suarez affair was on and then dropped Dalglish and Suarez in the shit after the Old Trafford none hand shake. He then compounded that with a cringeworthy ten minute spot on SSN.

During the January transfer window he made comments about signings having to be for the future when we desperately needed short term cover for Lucas. Then we had a public process for recruitment of the new manager which ended in Ayre's shambolic performance during Rodgers unveiling where Rodgers basically had to cut across Ayre and tell him he was talking bollocks.

This isn't a one of incident it is the latest in a catalogue of gaffes.

Like I said, there are no doubt better people out there to run the MD role for us. And for the record Al, I agree with your post entirely.

My point was that, in line with the thread title, in this instance the only wrong thing he has done is made the "comedian" remark which is unprofessional. A simple comment about Whelan and his media circus would have sufficed.

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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #209 on: June 5, 2012, 12:34:14 PM »
Simple - Go to the DW stadium next season and smash them.  :wave
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #210 on: June 5, 2012, 12:37:01 PM »
I'm still pretty new to RAWK. Is this how it works then? Absolutely everything is blown massively out of proportion.

The sky falls in about 5/6 times a week. Everything is massively over scrutinised and used as an excuse for people to push their agendas. Then further examples of perceived good / bad done by someone they like / dislike are put forward of examples of why they should be executed or sainted. Nobody changes their mind as a result of this.

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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #211 on: June 5, 2012, 12:45:17 PM »
Is Ian Ayre in control of his own bodily functions? Whelan made himself look a tit, we should have risen above.
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #212 on: June 5, 2012, 12:47:55 PM »
So he has a go at Whelan for being a media seeking clown but acting like a clown himself in the media, no need for it.

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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #213 on: June 5, 2012, 12:47:57 PM »
Haha Ayre can't do anything right in some people's eyes. If that was Kenny making the Bishop comment everyone would be pissing themselves.

Disclaimer: I don't exactly like Ayre either.
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #214 on: June 5, 2012, 12:48:40 PM »
The thing about Ayre and public comment on the Suarez affair is that it was a very complex situation.

Coming out as the head of the club and strongly condemning racism would have appealed to almost everyone else except the manager, the players and Liverpool fans, and coming out in support of the manager and Suarez left open the possibility of Liverpool being ridiculed and criticized by the rest of the football community beyond Liverpool fans and possibly by a wider audience. It was a minefield with the possibility of big losses as well as gains either way if he had started to talk.

You can argue that what should have been done is work to engineer a resolution to the problem behind the scenes to make it go away. You can also argue that not talking wasn't hanging Kenny out to dry but trusting his ability as the primary spokesperson for the club to be able to handle the situation. In fact, I'd say you can paint his not talking in any number of lights depending on your preconception of the man himself.

I think a lot of what we do is start with a conclusion and then work backwards and add speculation dressed as facts or one of many interpretations dressed as the only possible interpretation to try to justify that conclusion.

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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #215 on: June 5, 2012, 12:49:30 PM »
Go on Ian lad. But at least use a half decent joke next time mate.

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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #216 on: June 5, 2012, 12:54:02 PM »
Haha Ayre can't do anything right in some people's eyes. If that was Kenny making the Bishop comment everyone would be pissing themselves.

Disclaimer: I don't exactly like Ayre either.

I agree that Kenny could have made that quip and he'd have been lauded for doing so.

I appreciate that a lot don't like Ayre (I'm still at vigilant/slightly concerned stage) but double standards are being applied here.
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #217 on: June 5, 2012, 12:54:24 PM »
Go on Ian lad. But at least use a half decent joke next time mate.

No mate - he should keep his gob shut and wait until the PR guy starts on the 11th - and then run anything by him first. Someone like Ayre needs advice and input around him - otherwise he tends to start putting his foot in mouth. And we've had enough of him doing that of late.
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #218 on: June 5, 2012, 12:57:15 PM »
Personally don't think FSG will like such a sarcastic attack on another club's chairman. Yes, Whelan acted like a tit but in the past I think we'd have just said his actions were "Unhelpful" and left it at that.

I'm all for standing up for the club - and the city - in the media but Ayre comes across as a bit of a smug twat and doesn't have the presence you might expect for the role he has.
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Re: Ian Ayre hits back at Dave Whelan
« Reply #219 on: June 5, 2012, 01:05:11 PM »
Everybody's said their piece. When people are popping on posting Beaker gifs the debate's maybe run its course.

A wee point though - a little criticism isn't always a scathing attack. We always instantly jump into opposing camps like contestants on Runaround (one for the younger members there) and reduce a valid debate to extremes, with all the other 'pro' and 'anti' and 'hypocrite' and 'hater' nonsense that goes with it.

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