Topic: Redknapp future at Tottenham certain. He does not have one.

[SMD]

They got into the champions league last year and only missed out due to Chelsea winning it this year. Its very rare that you would hear anyone say spurs are under achieving nowadays.

The problem Levy has if Redknapp leaves is finding someone else willing to tickle the players balls and tell them all how great they are.

They have always had the players to compete. Just nobody to kiss their arses for them.

The way I see it is that they outspent Arsenal over the last few years, have been more stable than us and didn't even bother to take the Europa League seriously. So why is them flirting with a top 4 finish but failing to win a trophy an achievement?
Remember, Jol got them to 5th and a dodgy lasagne away from fourth.

[lfcshaunod]

The way I see it is that they outspent Arsenal over the last few years, have been more stable than us and didn't even bother to take the Europa League seriously. So why is them flirting with a top 4 finish but failing to win a trophy an achievement?
Remember, Jol got them to 5th and a dodgy lasagne away from fourth.

Despite how wrong it is, they wont be the first or last team to disrespect the Europa League.

Jol may have got them to fifth but did that make anyone see them as a genuine threat? I know I didnt.

Whereas now the are constantly pushing to get into the Champions League as opposed to being om the brink of relegation as they were just a couple of years ago.

And in my opinion that is due to Harry Redknapp and his style of management. And if he were to leave, I think Tottenhams players are the type of shit houses to fall apart.

Just like they started to do when Capello got the sack and 'arry became favourite for the job.

[Kovai Red]

Using Rooney's agent, he's going to get massive increase on wages.

You are underestimating Levy there mate.

[-Q-]

Despite how wrong it is, they wont be the first or last team to disrespect the Europa League.

Jol may have got them to fifth but did that make anyone see them as a genuine threat? I know I didnt.

Whereas now the are constantly pushing to get into the Champions League as opposed to being om the brink of relegation as they were just a couple of years ago.

On the brink...? After eight games...? Seriously?

Redknapp has done a very good job at Spurs without doubt, but he has been over-hyped by the press.  Their two best players (Bale and Modric) were bought by previous managers.  Adebayor was a loan deal from City who didn't see them as a threat and he got very lucky on van der Vaart, getting him so cheap - it was not brilliant negotiation skills or his keen eye for a player.

[lfcshaunod]

On the brink...? After eight games...? Seriously?

Redknapp has done a very good job at Spurs without doubt, but he has been over-hyped by the press.  Their two best players (Bale and Modric) were bought by previous managers.  Adebayor was a loan deal from City who didn't see them as a threat and he got very lucky on van der Vaart, getting him so cheap - it was not brilliant negotiation skills or his keen eye for a player.

Yes, after eight games. They were fucking awful.

I didnt say Redknapp turned their fortunes around by his skills in the transfer market. I said it was down to his style of managent and his knack of making tearful sulking footballers think they really are as brilliant as they think they are.

And as for Adebayor and Van der Vaart. They both came into the club feeling like outcasts from their previous clubs. But Redknapp gave their egos a little kiss and made everything all better and they have performed brilliantly for them.

Spurs didnt avoid relegation and turn themselves around because they sacked Ramos. They did it because they hired Redknapp.

I dont want to sound like a Redknapp fanboy as I dont really like the man. But I think spurs will be in trouble if he leaves.

[joey55]

As a spurs fan I think losing Redknapp would be the worst thing that has happened to us in the Prem era. I haven't seen one decent argument for replacing him. Redknapp is hated, even by a most Spurs fans, so people actively look to discredit him, but if I look at it objectively, it's hard to see how anyone else would do a better job. All the anti Redknapp arguments seem so falwed and cant stand up to much scrutiny. It's the usual about tactics, or squad rotation, transfer policy etc. But people compare what he does in these departments to some perfect ideal they have in their heads, and not to other actual managers.

[Juan Loco]

He's probably a bit underrated as a manager... but he is a bellend and a club killer.

[thereader]

He's probably a bit underrated as a manager... but he is a bellend and a club killer.

Owners kill clubs, not managers.

I certainly don't blame managers for my own club's problems. 

[joey55]

He's probably a bit underrated as a manager... but he is a bellend and a club killer.

Most think he's a bellend, so I wont disagree with you there, but the club killer thing is just rubbish that is constantly spouted about him. If you actually look at what happened at his previous clubs, it really us just an amazing coincidence. In fact it's not even really a coicence as it was only at Pompey that they weren't atually going bankrupt before he arrived. Bournmouth and SOuthampton were already going bankrupt. The West Ham things is utter BS. They didn't go bankrupt under him at all, their fans just blame him for Billy Bonds getting the sack.

[Outer Mongolian Red]

Hope he does leave,leading them to 4th,5th,4th place finishes is overachieving with their finances.

[beardsley4ever]

The last three clubs he managed were bankrupted (or all but) shortly after he left for no apparent reason.  Just sayin...

[thereader]

The last three clubs he managed were bankrupted (or all but) shortly after he left for no apparent reason.  Just sayin...

Shit, reckless owners, that's the reason.

[Magic8Ball]

The whole Abu Dhabi story is bollocks, everyone in football knows Redknapp has no desire to leave his home in Poole. This looks to me to be a bit of a planted story to ensure he gets the pay rise he wants...

Agreed

The vast majority of club owners and their fans have been brainwashed by Sky Sports and other parts of the media.

Rafa won't get another job in the Premier League as nobody seems to rate him. I reckon he'll be back in Spain at the start of next season, proving all the bellends in this country wrong.

agreed again, SADLY!

[beardsley4ever]

Shit, reckless owners, that's the reason.

Shit reckless owners that were being guided by Harry Redknapp, that is.  He is so short-termist in everything he does, and he jumps ship as soon as things come home to roost.

[DangerScouse]

4 posts in and Rafa was mentioned.

Fantastic contribution to the thread, well done.

Think it would be a good job for Rafa to be honest, very good squad of players and would get money to strengthen. Not sure what the Spurs fans make of him but his achievements shit all over 'Arry's.

[Wish Matrix]

Does he still giving interview from the window of his car?

[Jimmy Conway]

Does he still giving interview from the window of his car?

Golf course this time. The big ball bag

[Tommy_W]

This is what annoys me so much about Redknapp.

June 2012

“It’s up to Tottenham whether they want to extend that contract or not,” Redknapp said. “If they don’t extend it and I go into my last year, it is not an easy one when players know you have only got a year left.

“It is not a case of me looking for security. What it is about is players knowing you have only got year left on your contract and knowing that it doesn’t work, basically. I think it’s a situation of, ‘well, he might not be here next year’.

March 2012:

"They don't care whether I'm the manager next year. They wouldn't lose any sleep over that. That's football."Footballers play the game, they come in every day and train. Someone else walks in here tomorrow – the king is dead long live the king! They don't worry. They don't think 'Harry is going to England' or 'he is going to go somewhere else'.
"I have been around football all my life and it doesn't happen. It never enters my mind. I don't think: 'Oh, what's going to happen to me at the end of the season?' Whatever happens to me, happens. I don't lose any sleep over it, whether I'm here, somewhere else or nowhere. That's life."

[stevied]

Cant believe he called Levy out on a Sky interview from a golf course , good old Harry what a prick

[SMD]

This is what annoys me so much about Redknapp.

June 2012

March 2012:

I would've thought fucking up the second half of the season would annoy you more.

[Andy @ Allerton]

Average manager and a rubbish football club. What's not to cheerfully laugh at?

[PJG]

I have a feeling he'll become England manager after Roy at the Euro's.     Either that or give him a 5 year contract at Spurs, and that will make my day.

[joey55]

Fantastic contribution to the thread, well done.

Think it would be a good job for Rafa to be honest, very good squad of players and would get money to strengthen. Not sure what the Spurs fans make of him but his achievements shit all over 'Arry's.

I don't think it is a good job for Rafa. In truth it's not a good job for anyone. I'd question any manager prepared to take it, as I can't really see what they could do to match the expectation. Assuming Redknapp is fired for performance, then the new mananger would be expected to do better. I really can't see that happening.

If you look at Rafas track record more carefully, then there isn't much to suggest he's a good fit for Spurs. We've seen time and time again that what a manager has won in the past has no bearing on what he'll do working at a different club in different circumstances, but for some reason chairman recruit and fans still judge on that criteria. I think you have to look more carefully at a managers career and look at their failings aswell. I don't think we offer a smilar situation to when Rafa had success at Valencia. I think the we are a club that would more likely cause Rafa's weak areas to be highlighted.

 

[joey55]

This is what annoys me so much about Redknapp.

June 2012

March 2012:

To be honest Tommy, I think it's the fact he annoys you and so many other Spurs fans that is the key reason many want him out. I think all the football based arguments are close to ridiculous. The main arguments about like tactics, short termism, rotation, transfer market activity and player development are all very weak in my opinion and can't be sustained when comparing with other top managers. For me personally I find it disappointing from my fellow Spurs fans. I suppose that I don't actually dislike Redknapp makes it easier for me, but I can't get my head around the fact so many fans would be happy to get rid of a manager that is doing so well for the club they "support," just because they don't like him. It's like they are putting their personal grudges ahead of what is best for the club and I find that a difficult pill to swallow.

I don't post on Spurs forums anymore, as over the years I find myself getting annoyed at so much of what I read, but this has taken things to new levels. If he was a convicted muderer, child molester or something of that ilk, then no matter how well he did for the club I'd want him out, but it seems to me many of our fans hate him for petty reasons and would rather give up the success we've had, just to be rid of him. Of course, they try and justify this by coming up wth football based arguments for wanting him out, but as I've said, they don't stand up to any scrutiny. This really gets to me as for me what is best for their club should be a fans number 1 priority.

[thereader]

To be honest Tommy, I think it's the fact he annoys you and so many other Spurs fans that is the key reason many want him out. I think all the football based arguments are close to ridiculous. The main arguments about like tactics, short termism, rotation, transfer market activity and player development are all very weak in my opinion and can't be sustained when comparing with other top managers. For me personally I find it disappointing from my fellow Spurs fans. I suppose that I don't actually dislike Redknapp makes it easier for me, but I can't get my head around the fact so many fans would be happy to get rid of a manager that is doing so well for the club they "support," just because they don't like him. It's like they are putting their personal grudges ahead of what is best for the club and I find that a difficult pill to swallow.

I don't post on Spurs forums anymore, as over the years I find myself getting annoyed at so much of what I read, but this has taken things to new levels. If he was a convicted muderer, child molester or something of that ilk, then no matter how well he did for the club I'd want him out, but it seems to me many of our fans hate him for petty reasons and would rather give up the success we've had, just to be rid of him. Of course, they try and justify this by coming up wth football based arguments for wanting him out, but as I've said, they don't stand up to any scrutiny. This really gets to me as for me what is best for their club should be a fans number 1 priority.

I agree, Harry's media darling status seems to be the brunt of why people dislike him. 

[Tommy_W]

To be honest Tommy, I think it's the fact he annoys you and so many other Spurs fans that is the key reason many want him out. I think all the football based arguments are close to ridiculous. The main arguments about like tactics, short termism, rotation, transfer market activity and player development are all very weak in my opinion and can't be sustained when comparing with other top managers. For me personally I find it disappointing from my fellow Spurs fans. I suppose that I don't actually dislike Redknapp makes it easier for me, but I can't get my head around the fact so many fans would be happy to get rid of a manager that is doing so well for the club they "support," just because they don't like him. It's like they are putting their personal grudges ahead of what is best for the club and I find that a difficult pill to swallow.

I don't post on Spurs forums anymore, as over the years I find myself getting annoyed at so much of what I read, but this has taken things to new levels. If he was a convicted muderer, child molester or something of that ilk, then no matter how well he did for the club I'd want him out, but it seems to me many of our fans hate him for petty reasons and would rather give up the success we've had, just to be rid of him. Of course, they try and justify this by coming up wth football based arguments for wanting him out, but as I've said, they don't stand up to any scrutiny. This really gets to me as for me what is best for their club should be a fans number 1 priority.

As much as he annoys me, that's not the reason I want rid. As I've said before - my main reason for wanting him out is because of the way he disrespects the cup competitons. I want to win things. This is the best team/squad we've had since the 80s, and yet we've never looked likely to win anything in a million years. It's an absolute farce the way he treats the Europa League in particular. If we won that it would be our greatest achievement as a club in decades - and yet we piss it up the wall year after year. We're certainly not above that competition.

To go on a second consecutive run of about 10 or 11 games without a win is pathetic too. He can have no complaints about having a thin squad etc - it was his choice to sell Pav and send the likes of Corluka and Pienaar out on loan in January

[WhoHe]

Yeah I find the reputation of the Europa league as shite very puzzling, especially from Spurs who are not exactly laden with European trophies. In all my time watching football Spurs have only ever been a cup team so its even more bizarre. Harry is a sky favourite so he needs to toe the company line hence the disgraceful treatment of all cups, since sky have no interest in them ergo they must be shit. Some of our fans also moan about the Europa League, especially the number of games you play but I still want us to respect and win all competitions we enter.

[thereader]

As much as he annoys me, that's not the reason I want rid. As I've said before - my main reason for wanting him out is because of the way he disrespects the cup competitons. I want to win things. This is the best team/squad we've had since the 80s, and yet we've never looked likely to win anything in a million years. It's an absolute farce the way he treats the Europa League in particular. If we won that it would be our greatest achievement as a club in decades - and yet we piss it up the wall year after year. We're certainly not above that competition.

To go on a second consecutive run of about 10 or 11 games without a win is pathetic too. He can have no complaints about having a thin squad etc - it was his choice to sell Pav and send the likes of Corluka and Pienaar out on loan in January

Just be careful what you wish for.

[Cpt_Reina]

Spurs have peaked under Redknapp.

They'll start to lose players and that means starting their cycle all over again, albeit from a better starting point. Is Redknapp young enough, or good enough to be able to do it again?

Does he even have the desire to do it? Spurs was always his stepping stone to the England job. Now that ship has sailed I wouldnt be at all surprised to see him settle for a nice easy job somewhere in the middle east with a bumper pay packet to top up his retirement fund.

[joey55]

As much as he annoys me, that's not the reason I want rid. As I've said before - my main reason for wanting him out is because of the way he disrespects the cup competitons. I want to win things. This is the best team/squad we've had since the 80s, and yet we've never looked likely to win anything in a million years. It's an absolute farce the way he treats the Europa League in particular. If we won that it would be our greatest achievement as a club in decades - and yet we piss it up the wall year after year. We're certainly not above that competition.

To go on a second consecutive run of about 10 or 11 games without a win is pathetic too. He can have no complaints about having a thin squad etc - it was his choice to sell Pav and send the likes of Corluka and Pienaar out on loan in January

Tommy, last season many of the anti Redkanpp brigade blamed our league performance (which was good by our standards anyway) on the fact he put too much emphasis on the CL. Now this season he get criticsed for marginalising 2 of the cup competitions. It's as if he can't win. 1/4 finals of the CL and 5th place is a great season for us. 4th place this year, is a great season for us. He doesn't not respect cup football. We got to the 1/2 finals of the FA Cup and he played strong sides. We got to the 1/4 finals of the CL again playing strong sides. On one hand the anti Redknapp brigade say he's shot termist, then we get people like you having a pop at him for not for giving the youngsters a go in the CC and Europa League. Some of the best managers in the world don't take the lesser cup competitions seriously and they got better or more expensively put together squads than us. For the long term future of the club the money one gets and the stature one gets form getting into the CL is far more important than doing well in the Europa League. Under Jol we nearly finshed 4th witout European football, but the falling season with European football we never challenged for the top 4. In 2009/10, we finished 4th without European football. Last year we fell short and were distracted by a long European run. This season we didn't take it seriously and finished 4th.  Of course again you are purely assuming that an alternative manager would take the Europa League seriously, which he probably wouldn't, as Levy would prioritise a top 4 finish over that any day of the week. If you are being genuine, which to be honest I do doubt, then I think your issue is more likely with Levy than Redknapp. But to be fair, I think most chairman at a club our size would prioritise CL football.

You say it's pathetic to go on runs of 10 or 11 games without a win, but ignore the fact that it would be incredibly hard to find an alternative manager that could take us on equivalent runs wihout a loss. At one stage this season we won 10 and drew 1 of 11 consecutive Prem games. It's form like that allows Spurs fans to be diasspointed we didn't finish 3rd. The mistake is thinking that by replacing Redknapp we'd keep the good runs and get rid of the bad. But your argument is ridiculous anyway as we never went on a run of more than 5 games without a win this season.

The football based arguemtns just don't stand up to any scrutiny and I have real difficulty believing it when people try and claim the key reasons for wanting Redknapp out amount to anymore than them no liking them. If Juande Ramos, who really did fit the bill of what fans see a manager should be like, achieved what Redknapp has, he'd be praised to the hilt. But in the case of Redknapp, are own fans look for the slighest possible reason to discredit him. This really bothers me, as fans should want what is best for their club. I don't buy the football based excuses offered for wanting him out.

[Magic8Ball]

Spurs have peaked under Redknapp.

They'll start to lose players and that means starting their cycle all over again, albeit from a better starting point. Is Redknapp young enough, or good enough to be able to do it again?

Does he even have the desire to do it? Spurs was always his stepping stone to the England job. Now that ship has sailed I wouldnt be at all surprised to see him settle for a nice easy job somewhere in the middle east with a bumper pay packet to top up his retirement fund.

This is why it's not going to be a great job for anyone. The fans expect a top 4 finish which isn't going to be easy. Then on top of that they expect stylish attacking football.
Anyone taking over would need instant success ie top 4 at least,  and maybe a trophy.

Given: Man U, Man City, Arsenal, and Chelsea are almost Ceres for those positions. A top 4 finish is going to be hard especially without Bale or Modric

Hell, even finishing 5th could be hard with Newcastle, Villa and maybe Liverpool fighting to tend up there.

The premier league is now  4 mini leagues. CL spots, Europa spots, mid table anonymity, relegation

[Tommy_W]

Tommy, last season many of the anti Redkanpp brigade blamed our league performance (which was good by our standards anyway) on the fact he put too much emphasis on the CL.

Really? I don't recall that at all. We didn't collapse in the league till after we dropped out of the Champions League anyway.

You say it's pathetic to go on runs of 10 or 11 games without a win, but ignore the fact that it would be incredibly hard to find an alternative manager that could take us on equivalent runs wihout a loss.

Even the most optimistic Spurs fan wouldn't expect us to win 10 or 11 games on the bounce without a loss. 10 or 11 games without a victory is pathetic for any team with any kind of expectations though - it's relegation form! To do it 2 years running is a bit worrying if you ask me.

[Dubit10]

He's spent a fortune and won fcuk all for them.

[joey55]

Really? I don't recall that at all. We didn't collapse in the league till after we dropped out of the Champions League anyway.

Even the most optimistic Spurs fan wouldn't expect us to win 10 or 11 games on the bounce without a loss. 10 or 11 games without a victory is pathetic for any team with any kind of expectations though - it's relegation form! To do it 2 years running is a bit worrying if you ask me.

You say it's not because you simply don't like Redknapp, but then you repeat them same false argument. We never went 10 or 11 games without a victory this season. You must know this, as you follow us carefully, yet you keep saying it. Why? The only reason I can think of for you to do this is to try and validate your reasons for wanting Redknapp out.

We did have a bad rum of form, but really it wa just because we had a run of tough fixtures. Also our form never collapsed after the CL last year. We lost two games, to Cheslea away (to 2 goals that shouldn't have been allowed) and to Man City away. Again you must know this, yet you present it as an argument to remove Harry. It comes across as very false. We still finished above Liverpool, but the problem we faced was that City spent insane amounts of money on top quality players. On top of that we had to compete in Europe. A few years ago our dream was to shatter the "big 4." We've done that under Harry, but unfortunately at the same time Man City have become the richest club in the world. Our fans have just become incredibly unreasonable.

The other day you even claimed that the side Harry finshed 4th with was similar to the side Jol finished 5th with, suggesting it wasn't as big an achievement as made out. But you know full well that Jol never had to contend with Man City, yet you don't mention it. Also, you know that the 2nd time Jol finished 5th we were nowhere near 4th, finishing 8 points adrift of Arsenal and only moving into 5th on the last day of the season, having been in mid table for much of the campaign. Our points total was closer to Pompey in 9th, than it was to 4th. You must know this, yet chose to spin things in a way that discredit Harry.

The side the Jol really did nearly finish 4th with in 2005/6 was nothing like the one Harry finished 4th with. In the 3 seasons inbetween we'd gone progressively down hill at a rapid rate and much had changed at the club. But you must already know this.

Can you see why I'm suspisious of yours and every other Spurs fans true motives when they want Harry out? I've seen loads of anti Harry arguments and they are all weak as piss. Most Spurs fans didn't want him at the club in the first place and have had their ego's damaged by the him being a success. I honestly feel like some of our fans resent Harry for giving us our highest ever Prem finishes.

[Big Dirk]

He's spent a fortune and won fcuk all for them.

Dont think his net spend is that big.

[kungfudancer]

Spurs simply aren't a top 4 side. They have overachieved with Harry for past 2-3 seasons. They will go back to being mid table club when Harry leaves.

[Magic8Ball]

Spurs simply aren't a top 4 side. They have overachieved with Harry for past 2-3 seasons. They will go back to being mid table club when Harry leaves.

you could say something similar about us. What's clear is there are a few clubs just outside of the top 4, but the ACTUAL top 4 could be pulling away from the rest of the league especially in terms of spending power 

[BIGdavalad]

How on earth is one League Cup in 20 years overachieving for a club the size of Spurs?

[Hank Scorpio]

Spurs have peaked under Redknapp.

They'll start to lose players and that means starting their cycle all over again, albeit from a better starting point. Is Redknapp young enough, or good enough to be able to do it again?

Does he even have the desire to do it? Spurs was always his stepping stone to the England job. Now that ship has sailed I wouldnt be at all surprised to see him settle for a nice easy job somewhere in the middle east with a bumper pay packet to top up his retirement fund.

He hasn't really been planning for the future anyway.  He's bought players for now.  Friedel, Parker, Saha, Nelsen and Adebayor on loan.

It's just a shame that Arsenal and Chelsea are strengthening because if they didn't it would have meant 2 CL places up for grabs next season.

[Hank Scorpio]

What's Redknapp on anyway?  I seem to remember Newcastle offering him £5m a season a few years back.