Author Topic: La Liga Thread 2012/13 (Read 106427 times)

Xxavi · « **Reply #80 on:** July 23, 2012, 01:58:32 AM »

Has Kaka been the worst transfer flop in the history of football?

Scruba · « **Reply #81 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:57:34 AM »

What? How about Ibra's Barça disaster, 40m + Eto'o. Kakas been decent at Real

Phil M · « **Reply #82 on:** July 23, 2012, 10:33:52 AM »

Quote from: Scruba on July 23, 2012, 08:57:34 AM

What? How about Ibra's Barça disaster,

Not this again.

Spanish Fan · « **Reply #83 on:** July 23, 2012, 11:05:04 AM »

Quote from: gordonchas on July 20, 2012, 10:55:26 PM

Really? Let's review why Lotina and Clemente are, as you say, out of fashion.

Lotina's last three jobs have all ended with relegation, a feat matched by Clemente, for all that he is used as a fire-fighter these days. At Murcia, having overseen their relegation from La Liga, he didn't get sacked until the following December when they were 20th in the Second Division.

Their negative tactics don't work for any side, and it's a bit much to ask clubs to employ the pair of them just because they might possibly make life a tiny bit more difficult for Real Madrid.

I have never disputed those facts. The only thing I am saying is that those are the type of coaches that give Mourinho fits.

Scruba · « **Reply #84 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:42:09 PM »

Quote from: Phil M on July 23, 2012, 10:33:52 AM

Not this again.

He was fucking class at barca wasn't he

That's why Pep fucked him off after one season. I'm just saying he didnt fit in at barca but he's a fucking beast in Italy.

Phil M · « **Reply #85 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:54:04 PM »

Quote from: Scruba on July 23, 2012, 03:42:09 PM

He was fucking class at barca wasn't he

Well considering he scored 16 in 29 in La Liga and helped win them 5 trophies in his time there including the title he could hardly be classed a failure.

Bakez0151 · « **Reply #86 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:56:55 PM »

Quote from: Phil M on July 23, 2012, 03:54:04 PM

Well considering he scored 16 in 29 in La Liga and helped win them 5 trophies in his time there including the title he could hardly be classed a failure.

In terms of being bought for €69 million and then sold for €24 million the season later means he will always be looked at as a transfer failure.

I'm a big fan of his, but the figures involved means whatever his contribution was on the pitch, he was a really bad transfer.

Phil M · « **Reply #87 on:** July 23, 2012, 03:59:30 PM »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on July 23, 2012, 03:56:55 PM

In terms of being bought for €69 million and then sold for €24 million the season later means he will always be looked at as a transfer failure.

I'm a big fan of his, but the figures involved means whatever his contribution was on the pitch, he was a really bad transfer.

Bad business off the pitch doesn't always equate to lack of success on it. He's been successful wherever he's gone. Anyway going off topic here and there's 20 pages of discussion on this in the Ibra thread.

Scruba · « **Reply #88 on:** July 23, 2012, 05:45:19 PM »

Quote from: Bakez0151 on July 23, 2012, 03:56:55 PM

In terms of being bought for €69 million and then sold for €24 million the season later means he will always be looked at as a transfer failure.

I'm a big fan of his, but the figures involved means whatever his contribution was on the pitch, he was a really bad transfer.

Spot fucking on. Remember reading that Valdes covered more distance than him in a few games. On topic, think Real will retain their title

Phil M · « **Reply #89 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:35:24 PM »

Quote from: Scruba on July 23, 2012, 05:45:19 PM

Remember reading that Valdes covered more distance than him in a few games.

Did he score more goals aswell?

Xxavi · « **Reply #90 on:** July 24, 2012, 12:13:04 AM »

Ibra was a huge flop, no doubt about it, but Kaka was and is the biggest transfer flop in my memory. Absolutely useless, and considering his wages, he has done about 50-60 million euro damage through that as well.

Ibra scored goals, but Barca cut the losses right after first season. But Kaka has been injured, useless, injured, useless etc. People talk about 1-2 good moments and performances here and there. Ibra had them too, in fact, even Torres has has those games. The point is, Kaka has been the worst transfer of at least the past decade. And to think Madrid media declared him the third best player in the world when he transferred there...

pinky · « **Reply #91 on:** July 24, 2012, 12:49:01 AM »

Kaka has been a dissapointment on the pitch, but it's not possible to determine what he has supposed economically because he was an "investment-player" that has theoritically generated tremendous income via publicity contracts.

In my opinion the worst transfer is the one that ends up affecting a club strategically. For instance, it can be argued that Prosinecki to Real in the 90s was a way worse transfer. He was a player to build a team around, but ended up getting injured way too often, and both his wages and price were large for the economy of the club. During those years Barcelona won four leagues in a row (three of them by a narrow margin). Had Real signed some of the other stars from Yougoslavia instead, maybe it would've been a different story for both clubs, although it's obvious it's impossible to know that.

eirwen · « **Reply #92 on:** July 24, 2012, 01:17:14 AM »

Malaga could be relegated if they don't pay the debt soon?!
Also guardian saying Carzola wants to join Arsenal. Shame. Would have loved to see him here.

Y2J · « **Reply #93 on:** July 24, 2012, 01:34:10 AM »

Quote from: Xxavi on July 24, 2012, 12:13:04 AM

Ibra was a huge flop, no doubt about it, but Kaka was and is the biggest transfer flop in my memory. Absolutely useless, and considering his wages, he has done about 50-60 million euro damage through that as well.

Ibra scored goals, but Barca cut the losses right after first season. But Kaka has been injured, useless, injured, useless etc. People talk about 1-2 good moments and performances here and there. Ibra had them too, in fact, even Torres has has those games. The point is, Kaka has been the worst transfer of at least the past decade. And to think Madrid media declared him the third best player in the world when he transferred there...

Last season:

Kaka: 8 goals, 15 assists

Iniesta: 8 goals, 15 assists

Xxavi · « **Reply #94 on:** July 24, 2012, 01:36:45 AM »

Quote from: Y2J on July 24, 2012, 01:34:10 AM

Last season:

Kaka: 8 goals, 15 assists

Iniesta: 8 goals, 15 assists

It's good that you know your football. Oops, statistics that is

Y2J · « **Reply #95 on:** July 24, 2012, 01:37:06 AM »

Quote from: eirwen on July 24, 2012, 01:17:14 AM

Malaga could be relegated if they don't pay the debt soon?!
Also guardian saying Carzola wants to join Arsenal. Shame. Would have loved to see him here.

Sign Isco & Rondon, quick, quick, quick.

Saint Kopite™ · « **Reply #96 on:** July 24, 2012, 01:37:30 AM »

Quote from: Xxavi on July 24, 2012, 12:13:04 AM

And to think Madrid media declared him the third best player in the world when he transferred there...

Well, to be honest they weren't really far off.

It hasn't worked out but disputing that Kaka was amongst the best players in the world before he got transferred to Real Madrid is crazy.

Hank Scorpio · « **Reply #97 on:** July 24, 2012, 11:31:27 AM »

What the fuck is going on with Malaga?

eirwen · « **Reply #98 on:** July 24, 2012, 11:57:58 AM »

Quote from: Hank Scorpio on July 24, 2012, 11:31:27 AM

What the fuck is going on with Malaga?

We should try and buy their players.

greyfade · « **Reply #99 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:21:05 PM »

Quote from: Y2J on July 24, 2012, 01:37:06 AM

Sign Isco & Rondon, quick, quick, quick.

Saw him in the games against Madrid, Barca, Bilbao, Valencia. Boss Player.

Rohit · « **Reply #100 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:27:44 PM »

Quote from: Y2J on July 24, 2012, 01:37:06 AM

Sign Isco & Rondon, quick, quick, quick.

Forgot Toulalan whos is class and was probably Malagas best player till he got injured.

MidwestWool · « **Reply #101 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:34:53 PM »

I thought Malaga had a solid financial backing? Owners pulled out or something?

Y2J · « **Reply #102 on:** July 24, 2012, 03:10:00 PM »

Quote from: MidwestWool on July 24, 2012, 02:34:53 PM

I thought Malaga had a solid financial backing? Owners pulled out or something?

More likely owner lost interest.

RuncornRed25 · « **Reply #103 on:** July 25, 2012, 05:46:16 PM »

Celta Vigo lining up a 7 million bid for Nicklas Bendtner according to reports

Would be a decent signing for them that, Not the most consistent player but on his day a great player, bigger clubs have been linked with him aswell including Milan and Sevilla

Saint Kopite™ · « **Reply #104 on:** July 26, 2012, 06:53:20 AM »

RuncornRed25 · « **Reply #105 on:** July 30, 2012, 05:35:20 PM »

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1128394/manuel-pellegrini:-malaga-distracted-by-rumours?cc=5739#

Malaga distracted by rumours

Malaga coach Manuel Pellegrini has admitted the uncertainty surrounding the club is having an effect on his players.

Speculation is rife in Spain that Malaga's Qatari owner has put the club up for sale despite Sheikh Abdullah Bin Nassar Al-Thani having been at the helm for just two years.

Amid reports of financial strife at Estadio La Rosaleda, key playmaker Santi Cazorla has been strongly linked with a move to Premier League side Arsenal in a bid to ease the worries.

Of the uncertainty, Pellegrini said at a news conference in Caracas during the club's tour of Venezuela: "We are focused on the sporting side of things but when there are so many rumours it has to have an effect, also being away from Spain.

"But we are calm because we have been working very well. We'll see when we get back to Spain, see which rumours are true and which are not.

"Until there is a certain clarity about what is going on it's not good to express opinions. We'll be back in Spain on Tuesday and we'll see what we find there."

Adam_LFC · « **Reply #106 on:** July 30, 2012, 05:41:13 PM »

I thought Malaga were Spain's version of Man City, but I guess it has all gone tits up. Would love to go for someone like Rondon, he is a beast.

On Axis · « **Reply #107 on:** July 30, 2012, 06:32:38 PM »

I feel for Pellegrini, he's gotten a raw deal at his past two jobs. Hopefully Malaga find a good owner who is actually committed to the cause.

gordonchas · « **Reply #108 on:** July 31, 2012, 08:51:56 AM »

Seems that Ever Banega is having more car trouble. Not content with trying to stop his car with his foot and putting himself out of action for nine months, his Ferrari burst into flames yesterday. Looks like a lucky escape

mig · « **Reply #109 on:** July 31, 2012, 10:33:46 AM »

What's going on with Malaga? I thought they were financially sound?

BigMarcs · « **Reply #110 on:** July 31, 2012, 11:42:11 AM »

Eduardo Salvio is moving from Atletico Madrid to Benfica for 11 million euros. Probable replacement for Gaitan ?

Y2J · « **Reply #111 on:** August 1, 2012, 01:17:05 AM »

News all over twitter that Malaga is now relegated with Villareal back in La Liga after failing to pay the remaining player wages in due time. Still rumors & nothing official.

Stevie93 · « **Reply #112 on:** August 1, 2012, 01:43:48 AM »

Quote from: Y2J on August 1, 2012, 01:17:05 AM

News all over twitter that Malaga is now relegated with Villareal back in La Liga after failing to pay the remaining player wages in due time. Still rumors & nothing official.

My Villareal fan mates are going mental

gordonchas · « **Reply #113 on:** August 1, 2012, 08:37:19 AM »

Quote from: Stevie93 on August 1, 2012, 01:43:48 AM

My Villareal fan mates are going mental

I'm not surprised, they have no players left.

However, it was a false rumour
http://www.elconfidencial.com/deportes/liga-bbva/2012/07/31/los-equipos-de-primera-solventan-sus-deudas-y-evitan-el-descenso-administrativo-103005/

Agger · « **Reply #114 on:** August 1, 2012, 11:21:48 AM »

Quote from: Phil M on July 23, 2012, 03:54:04 PM

Well considering he scored 16 in 29 in La Liga and helped win them 5 trophies in his time there including the title he could hardly be classed a failure.

Preach!

Xxavi · « **Reply #115 on:** August 2, 2012, 04:21:59 AM »

Quote from: BigMarcs on July 31, 2012, 11:42:11 AM

Eduardo Salvio is moving from Atletico Madrid to Benfica for 11 million euros. Probable replacement for Gaitan ?

I think Benfica will make a nice profit 1-2 years later. Atletico Madrid should have definitely kept him, IMO.

Xxavi · « **Reply #116 on:** August 2, 2012, 06:55:21 AM »

Oh, BTW, if Arsenal get Cazorla for 20-23 million euros, it may turn out to be buy of the summer among top European clubs. When Eden Hazard and Modric are rated 35-40 million euros, if you can buy Cazorla for half of that, it can only be rated as a great deal. Because he is clearly better than Modric (didn't watch much of Hazard).

skipper757 · « **Reply #117 on:** August 2, 2012, 09:11:56 AM »

I'm not sure how you can say that Cazorla is "clearly better than Modric" if they're very different types of players. The deal for Cazorla is obviously a bargain but there's really no point comparing Cazorla to Modric ability wise.

jotirori · « **Reply #118 on:** August 2, 2012, 02:56:43 PM »

Quote from: eirwen on July 24, 2012, 11:57:58 AM

We should try and buy their players.

No Dalglish cup of tea I guess.But Isco and Rondon are 2 realistic targets.

Y2J · « **Reply #119 on:** August 2, 2012, 04:33:32 PM »

CLUB NEEDS DRASTIC RESTRUCTURING BEFORE GOING AHEAD WITH SALE
Málaga in critical situation

JESÚS BALLESTEROS / RAMÓN FUENTES 08/01/2012

Málaga football club is going through one of its most troubled times in recent years. The current owner, Sheikh Al-Thani, wants to sell the club. No one at the club HQ is denying this, and so it has become accepted inside the club. The owners' aims are to reduce the club's basic debts to facilitate a sale.

At Málaga they are hoping that inside a couple of weeks, they will have some cash to start dealing with outstanding payments. And the only way to get cash is by selling players.

Cazorla is highly likely to be the first transfer away from Málaga, and another who could bring in some ready cash to the Andalusian side is Rondón, between €8 million and €10 million. At present there have been two offers, both from Russian clubs.

These two players apart, the most valuable players in the squad are Isco, Toulalan or Joaquín. They are popular players who could bring in substantial sums to fill Málaga's empty coffers.

The squad, who were not paid the first instalment of their wage arrears on Tuesday, met in the evening. They then attempted to have a meeting with the club, but no one would see them. Exhausted after their journey from Venezuela, they discussed the situation and decided to have a meeting before training on Wednesday, because they don't agree with the restructuring measures. One of the proposals which came out of their discussion was the idea of not working on Wednesday.

http://www.marca.com/2012/08/01/en/football/spanish_football/1343846664.html

Personally think we should offer a 15-16m combo to Isco & Rondon.