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Re: Carragher
« Reply #200 on: June 3, 2012, 06:13:06 pm »
Could give his money to someone who could really do with it. Someone like Ray Kennedy perhaps?
you could say that about all pro players in fairness.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #201 on: June 3, 2012, 06:13:16 pm »
and anyone would have done the same ifin his position.

Just like getting a pay rise at work.

Anybody who criticizes him for that is a fcking mug.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #202 on: June 3, 2012, 06:21:29 pm »
King Carra should play as third defender in skwad, no. When the priest eats his sugar, Karra will play on the mountain no.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #203 on: June 3, 2012, 06:23:41 pm »
and anyone would have done the same if in his position.

Just like getting a pay rise at work.

No mate, there are a lot of examples for senior players doing the exact opposite.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #204 on: June 3, 2012, 06:27:39 pm »
take Mark Twain's advice...
Is that really  all you have to contribute? A petty insult?
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #205 on: June 3, 2012, 06:28:06 pm »
and anyone would have done the same if in his position.

Just like getting a pay rise at work.

Really?
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #206 on: June 3, 2012, 06:30:09 pm »
I'd like to see him get into the coaching side of things. I think he will be 4th choice now and will play the early cup and Europa league games and not much else unless we get injuries.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #207 on: June 3, 2012, 06:30:49 pm »
Really?

You wouldn't have accepted a new contract for 100k a week if you were Carragher?

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« Reply #208 on: June 3, 2012, 06:30:57 pm »
Really?

how long does it take to draw up a contract in football ?
yes we can question the people who agreed to it, the likes of purslow etc and carra for signing it, but people use it on here especially, to hold it against the player without remembering anything he did before it, on the pitch.
it almost defines him for a lot of people, more to it than simply signing a deal the day before the club was sold.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #209 on: June 3, 2012, 06:34:56 pm »
It'll be his last contract for us. Have a season to thank a player who gave his career to the club.

But that really should have described last season. Got to win a cup, beat Everton in a semi at Wembley and get to another final. Nice way to finish off and on to a coaching position if he wants it.
What happens this year? If he plays he gets blamed for us not being Barcelona. If he doesn't play do we start getting stories of his discontent and some of our less enlightened media types start banging the drum that we need more 'English Steel' in our defence when we lose a couple with CDs passing the ball around.
Carra is a true giant of the club and deserves a lot more respect than he gets on RAWK, but right now he is a very high waged problem ticking away for us. And for me, it will be one of Rodgers biggest issues to deal with in his first season.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #210 on: June 3, 2012, 06:43:04 pm »
and anyone would have done the same if in his position.

Just like getting a pay rise at work.

Except when you give someone a pay raise when they don't deserve one that's bad for morale, no? Like if you were Martin Skrtel for example. Stay fit, work hard, in the best form of your life, yet for 2 years have played second fiddle to a player who hasn't consistently played well in 4 years, requiring injuries to get into the team and at the same time earning a fraction of his wages.

If we couldn't keep Sami Hyypia who was nothing but a consumate professional to the core, acted with dignity and respect, lead by example and accepted that his days as a starter were limited took the ego dent and was always ready to step in when required. Since that was a case, you can't really blame people for being a bit puzzled (to put it mildly) that the club awarded Carragher a 3 year contract, with a payraise after his worst form in over a decade and almost every single one of his once arsenal of attributes slip away with every start. If this had come in 2006 then by all means make him one of the top earners. But when he's close to the top earners at the club, with many earning far less and performing far better there's disharmony, just like when someone gets a promotion or pay raise in work when there were others who deserved it more.

It's not about anyone would've done it. It's the fact that he plays the local lad, working class hero. Talks like he would defend the club with his life when there has been little to nothing showing that in the past few years. The club was in turmoil, he stayed silent while the foreign ones (you know the ones whose wives and girlfriends poor mrs. Carragher couldn't talk to during club dinners) spoke out, demanding change, actions, encouraged fan protests and defended the manager. He stayed silent as a European Cup winning manager was sacked after one bad season, the very same manager who had turned him from a makeshift fullback and squad player into one of the best center backs in Europe. And then after weeks and weeks of contract negotiations, protests against the owners, facing financial oblivion in relegation form he decides to to bite the bullet and with the club's best interests at heart, save it the trouble of buying a new center back by securing the next 3 years of his services, for a decent payraise hours before the takeover.


But even ignoring all of that. Purely from an empirical point of view. As the club was playing, how many times in the past 2-3 years have you felt better knowing Carragher was on the team sheet (if you don't include games against Everton)?
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #211 on: June 3, 2012, 06:45:53 pm »
His contract expires June 2013, so 1 more year.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #212 on: June 3, 2012, 06:46:47 pm »
how long does it take to draw up a contract in football ?
yes we can question the people who agreed to it, the likes of purslow etc and carra for signing it, but people use it on here especially, to hold it against the player without remembering anything he did before it, on the pitch.
it almost defines him for a lot of people, more to it than simply signing a deal the day before the club was sold.

That contract, I can't blame Carra for signing it. But it's so typical of how we have wasted money in the last few years. It's almost as if the club has been used as some sort of pension fund for players. At best, with good intentions, at worst as some sort of way to reward the mates. Take Cole and Carra. Six years together, at 90k/w each. That's what, 27M in wages? For backup players. Players we expect to sit on the bench. No wonder we need to improve our finances.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #213 on: June 3, 2012, 06:46:53 pm »
But that really should have described last season. Got to win a cup, beat Everton in a semi at Wembley and get to another final. Nice way to finish off and on to a coaching position if he wants it.
What happens this year? If he plays he gets blamed for us not being Barcelona. If he doesn't play do we start getting stories of his discontent and some of our less enlightened media types start banging the drum that we need more 'English Steel' in our defence when we lose a couple with CDs passing the ball around.
Carra is a true giant of the club and deserves a lot more respect than he gets on RAWK, but right now he is a very high waged problem ticking away for us. And for me, it will be one of Rodgers biggest issues to deal with in his first season.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #214 on: June 3, 2012, 06:47:40 pm »
Except when you give someone a pay raise when they don't deserve one that's bad for morale, no? Like if you were Martin Skrtel for example. Stay fit, work hard, in the best form of your life, yet for 2 years have played second fiddle to a player who hasn't consistently played well in 4 years, requiring injuries to get into the team and at the same time earning a fraction of his wages.

If we couldn't keep Sami Hyypia who was nothing but a consumate professional to the core, acted with dignity and respect, lead by example and accepted that his days as a starter were limited took the ego dent and was always ready to step in when required. Since that was a case, you can't really blame people for being a bit puzzled (to put it mildly) that the club awarded Carragher a 3 year contract, with a payraise after his worst form in over a decade and almost every single one of his once arsenal of attributes slip away with every start. If this had come in 2006 then by all means make him one of the top earners. But when he's close to the top earners at the club, with many earning far less and performing far better there's disharmony, just like when someone gets a promotion or pay raise in work when there were others who deserved it more.

It's not about anyone would've done it. It's the fact that he plays the local lad, working class hero. Talks like he would defend the club with his life when there has been little to nothing showing that in the past few years. The club was in turmoil, he stayed silent while the foreign ones (you know the ones whose wives and girlfriends poor mrs. Carragher couldn't talk to during club dinners) spoke out, demanding change, actions, encouraged fan protests and defended the manager. He stayed silent as a European Cup winning manager was sacked after one bad season, the very same manager who had turned him from a makeshift fullback and squad player into one of the best center backs in Europe. And then after weeks and weeks of contract negotiations, protests against the owners, facing financial oblivion in relegation form he decides to to bite the bullet and with the club's best interests at heart, save it the trouble of buying a new center back by securing the next 3 years of his services, for a decent payraise hours before the takeover.


But even ignoring all of that. Purely from an empirical point of view. As the club was playing, how many times in the past 2-3 years have you felt better knowing Carragher was on the team sheet (if you don't include games against Everton)?

Can't really argue with any of that.

I think how Carragher leaves the club might go a long way to how he is perceived and show how much he does care for the good of the club.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #215 on: June 3, 2012, 06:47:59 pm »
Can't see him playing at this level for more than one more season - His role should be one of sharing his knowledge and passion with the youngsters.
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« Reply #216 on: June 3, 2012, 06:49:23 pm »
But that really should have described last season. Got to win a cup, beat Everton in a semi at Wembley and get to another final. Nice way to finish off and on to a coaching position if he wants it.
What happens this year? If he plays he gets blamed for us not being Barcelona. If he doesn't play do we start getting stories of his discontent and some of our less enlightened media types start banging the drum that we need more 'English Steel' in our defence when we lose a couple with CDs passing the ball around.
Carra is a true giant of the club and deserves a lot more respect than he gets on RAWK, but right now he is a very high waged problem ticking away for us. And for me, it will be one of Rodgers biggest issues to deal with in his first season.

New manager in with a clear mandate from the owners. He'll be good as gold. Can see your point, but then there was a case a few seasons ago for Carra being moved on only we ended up self-imploding and he got his new contract at the end of it. What's done is done. Rodgers has enough credit banked with the journos that there'll not be any 'we need Carra and to defend on the 12 yard line' pieces done - it would be self-evidently ludicrous for even Henry Winter to champion that. Not trying to whitewash things, but just a bit of respect this season all round and some appreciation would be a good thing.
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« Reply #217 on: June 3, 2012, 06:49:38 pm »
interesting to compare the comments in here to those in the Kuyt thread?...both excellent servants to the club...both given 100% commitment to the red shirt...but one gets universally praised while the other (despite playing 3 times the amount of games) gets pulled apart....always said it was harder for the local lads to impress the fan base.....this thread testifies to that.....shame he wasnt born in Stockholm/Antwerp...might have got a better rep

Agree 100%.

It's always harder for the local lads to impress the none local fan base is probably a better description.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #219 on: June 3, 2012, 07:05:00 pm »
Can't see him playing at this level for more than one more season - His role should be one of sharing his knowledge and passion with the youngsters.

with youngsters? Why?
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« Reply #220 on: June 3, 2012, 07:07:01 pm »
Carragher signed his contract when the club didn't have a manager. Cecil, the little prick who was playing fantasy football manager with our club, he offered the contract, perhaps it was a reward for work done but who knows
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« Reply #221 on: June 3, 2012, 07:08:19 pm »
Do you think it's telling he's not been offered an ambassadorial role like Gerrard?

He should be played next season like he should have for the past 2, sparingly. In fact I'd go as far to say he should play cup games only. I'd have Cwatez and Kelly as CB reserves for the majority of games.

I'm sure Rodgers wouldn't be daft enough to let him on the coaching staff either.

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« Reply #222 on: June 3, 2012, 07:13:39 pm »
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« Reply #223 on: June 3, 2012, 07:19:21 pm »
The hatred Carragher gets on here is unreal. It's pathetic.

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« Reply #224 on: June 3, 2012, 07:26:29 pm »
Carragher signed his contract when the club didn't have a manager. Cecil, the little prick who was playing fantasy football manager with our club, he offered the contract, perhaps it was a reward for work done but who knows

He signed it, but it wasnt written up the same day, it would have taken a while to sort, so you might argue it was in the pipeline whilst we still had a manager.
Actually, if, like many have suggested on here, he did sign it the day before the club got sold, then we did have a manager.

Aristotle post above is a good argument but my grief with all of this is that some, a hell of alot, on here, define his role at the club by that one action alone. And thats pretty sad.
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« Reply #225 on: June 3, 2012, 07:29:56 pm »
He signed it, but it wasnt written up the same day, it would have taken a while to sort, so you might argue it was in the pipeline whilst we still had a manager.
Actually, if, like many have suggested on here, he did sign it the day before the club got sold, then we did have a manager.

Aristotle post above is a good argument but my grief with all of this is that some, a hell of alot, on here, define his role at the club by that one action alone. And thats pretty sad.

Well this make you understand Aristotle post bit better, Carra stated in Jan before Rafa got sacked he would not be part time player that was due to him being asked about reported that he was not going to get longer term contract or be first team. So that ties in well with the fact that soon as manager goes weeks later Carra gets new LONG term deal and PAY RISE.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #226 on: June 3, 2012, 07:34:30 pm »
Except when you give someone a pay raise when they don't deserve one that's bad for morale, no? Like if you were Martin Skrtel for example. Stay fit, work hard, in the best form of your life, yet for 2 years have played second fiddle to a player who hasn't consistently played well in 4 years, requiring injuries to get into the team and at the same time earning a fraction of his wages.

If we couldn't keep Sami Hyypia who was nothing but a consumate professional to the core, acted with dignity and respect, lead by example and accepted that his days as a starter were limited took the ego dent and was always ready to step in when required. Since that was a case, you can't really blame people for being a bit puzzled (to put it mildly) that the club awarded Carragher a 3 year contract, with a payraise after his worst form in over a decade and almost every single one of his once arsenal of attributes slip away with every start. If this had come in 2006 then by all means make him one of the top earners. But when he's close to the top earners at the club, with many earning far less and performing far better there's disharmony, just like when someone gets a promotion or pay raise in work when there were others who deserved it more.

It's not about anyone would've done it. It's the fact that he plays the local lad, working class hero. Talks like he would defend the club with his life when there has been little to nothing showing that in the past few years. The club was in turmoil, he stayed silent while the foreign ones (you know the ones whose wives and girlfriends poor mrs. Carragher couldn't talk to during club dinners) spoke out, demanding change, actions, encouraged fan protests and defended the manager. He stayed silent as a European Cup winning manager was sacked after one bad season, the very same manager who had turned him from a makeshift fullback and squad player into one of the best center backs in Europe. And then after weeks and weeks of contract negotiations, protests against the owners, facing financial oblivion in relegation form he decides to to bite the bullet and with the club's best interests at heart, save it the trouble of buying a new center back by securing the next 3 years of his services, for a decent payraise hours before the takeover.


But even ignoring all of that. Purely from an empirical point of view. As the club was playing, how many times in the past 2-3 years have you felt better knowing Carragher was on the team sheet (if you don't include games against Everton)?

Couldn't disagree with a word of that but what's done is done the big question for me is whether Rodgers can deal with a personality as large as Carra's looming large in the rear view mirror. Carra has clearly stated ambitions of becoming the Liverpool manager when his playing days end which looks likely to be next year, would Rodgers be better with that presence being removed from the Club or can he get Carra onside.
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« Reply #227 on: June 3, 2012, 07:35:50 pm »
Well this make you understand Aristotle post bit better, Carra stated in Jan before Rafa got sacked he would not be part time player that was due to him being asked about reported that he was not going to get longer term contract or be first team. So that ties in well with the fact that soon as manager goes weeks later Carra gets new LONG term deal and PAY RISE.

I dont need you explaining anything thanks mate, but a hell of a lot of assumptions in there.
Anyway, as a player a legend for the club and if Kenny Dalglish thinks that then no more to be said of the matter.
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« Reply #228 on: June 3, 2012, 07:38:16 pm »
Can't see him playing at this level for more than one more season - His role should be one of sharing his knowledge and passion with the youngsters.

He is already quoted saying that he won´t have the patience for that.
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« Reply #229 on: June 3, 2012, 07:39:42 pm »
I don't want him anywhere near the team, to be honest. His politics behind the scenes are bad enough as well and I don't want him throwing his weight around for Jamie "me" Carragher while everyone's trying to push in the same direction for the new manager.
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« Reply #230 on: June 3, 2012, 07:56:31 pm »
I don't want him anywhere near the team, to be honest. His politics behind the scenes are bad enough as well and I don't want him throwing his weight around for Jamie "me" Carragher while everyone's trying to push in the same direction for the new manager.

What politics behind the scenes? People take negative Carragher rumours as fact on here.

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« Reply #231 on: June 3, 2012, 08:02:10 pm »
It's fashionable to have a pop at Carragher on here at the minute. We all know how RAWK loves a fad.

I don't think he should be anywhere near the first team anymore, but the character assassination is a tad over the top.

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« Reply #232 on: June 3, 2012, 08:04:12 pm »
I dont need you explaining anything thanks mate, but a hell of a lot of assumptions in there.
Anyway, as a player a legend for the club and if Kenny Dalglish thinks that then no more to be said of the matter.
He's a far better judge of character and player than most people.

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« Reply #233 on: June 3, 2012, 08:06:02 pm »
 My understanding of his contract was that Rafa wanted to only give him a one year contract and carra wasnt happy. Rafa went and low and behold he gets a three year contract and a pay rise from cecil ...You can only wonder ????? In my opinion rafa was right to keep him on one year at a time contract

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« Reply #234 on: June 3, 2012, 08:08:01 pm »
Which is all well and good but it happened and we're here now, he's 34 and there's a decision to be made.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #235 on: June 3, 2012, 08:08:43 pm »
Anyway, in answer to the original question, I hope Rodgers doesn't have a problem with dropping him, last season he should have been behind Coates anyway but wasn't and with the likes of Kelly and Wilson, I'd prefer they're given opportunities ahead of Carragher. Ideally I'd like us to sell him but can't see that happening.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #236 on: June 3, 2012, 08:09:21 pm »
Which is all well and good but it happened and we're here now, he's 34 and there's a decision to be made.

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Re: Carragher
« Reply #237 on: June 3, 2012, 08:10:31 pm »
Couldn't disagree with a word of that but what's done is done the big question for me is whether Rodgers can deal with a personality as large as Carra's looming large in the rear view mirror. Carra has clearly stated ambitions of becoming the Liverpool manager when his playing days end which looks likely to be next year, would Rodgers be better with that presence being removed from the Club or can he get Carra onside.
He has to and I think  he can and will......and Carra will not be the Liverpool manager for a long time if ever IMHO
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« Reply #238 on: June 3, 2012, 08:12:04 pm »
I'd move him on. A club legend, no doubt. But if he really still does have the intention to play Premier League football, there are a lot of sides he could do a job for but not Liverpool.
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Re: Carragher
« Reply #239 on: June 3, 2012, 08:13:31 pm »
4th choice and hopefully getting his coaching badges now.
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