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Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« on: June 1, 2012, 04:54:25 PM »
So Brendan Rodgers is our new manager. Am I happy? not really, but that’s not down to Brendan himself, the more I read, hear and see from the man the more confident I am in this appointment. No the reason I’m not happy is because Rafael Benitez as the outstanding candidate has been overlooked. Even more so now it appears there’s a strong possibility of no Director of Football running the show, which begs the question what possible excuse was there not to interview the man?

When the rumour mill was in overdrive and names were being thrown at us from all directions; the likes of Louis Van Gaal, Andres Villas Boas, Jurgen Klopp, Roberto Martinez, Joachim Loew, Frank De Boer, Fabio Capello and of course Brendan Rodgers I was excited. These names weren’t the Alan Curbishley’s, Sam Allardyce’s or Martin O’Neil’s of post-Houllier managerial speculation, these men were either established proven winners or exceptionally talented ambitious prodigies with highly regarded managerial potential who had what most Liverpudlians would agree as the correct philosophy on how to play the game.

Although Rafa’s name was conspicuous by its absence as the week wore on, I still held firmly onto the belief (or should that be clung to one frayed thread of hope) that FSG would be astute enough to at least speak to the him before cementing their appointment, but even if not, considering the standard of candidate linked with us then I would be more than happy to get behind any of them 100%

That was until two days ago when it became almost a dead cert that Brendan Rodgers had won the race to the Anfield hot seat, a race which Rafa Benitez had not been entered. It was at this moment I realised exactly how much I Iove Rafael Benitez, indeed more than a heterosexual male probably should, and how much I wanted him back in his office at Melwood.

The reason being I think, besides having had a bet some time ago with a Manc mate of mine that we wouldn’t go as long as them without winning a title, which I’m very close to having to shell out a grand on, and my belief that Rafa would have had us hitting the ground running had he returned, besides that there is this deep seated resentment against fellow fans and the owners (possibly undeservedly as they weren’t the ones to sack him in the first place) that despite sacrificing everything he had for this club, including it seems his reputation that he hasn’t been given the opportunity to repair that with us, while simultaneously shoving so called Liverpool fans bile back down their throats in the process.

Lest we forget that this man had been courted by the cream of Europe including his boyhood club, and still he chose to remain at Liverpool during horrendous turmoil. He took on our previous owners in full knowledge that in doing so he’d risk losing his job. He took the city, our traditions, our standards, our hopes and dreams and made them his too. Outside of football both he and his wife have given so much to the area, and I think I felt the least we could do was to give him another chance at building the dynasty he wanted; almost 50% of the first team squad is his, some of the backroom staff are his, he revamped an academy system that Pep Guardiola acknowledges as second only to Barcas’. If nothing else I wanted him to get another opportunity as a thank you for all he’s done, both on and off the pitch. While working on work experience for LFCTV and as part of the RedmenTV team I’ve been lucky enough to have met him, and from my encounters he is one of the most dignified, impressive, knowledgeable and humble men I’ve ever met, and it vexes me everytime I hear anyone disparage his legacy at the club or his character, and find myself defending him as if he were one of my own family. I don’t know whether Rafael Benitez will ever get the chance of coming back to our club now, it seems highly unlikely now but it’s a travesty the way he has been ignored by this club, who owe a great deal to him.

This is by no means a reflection on Brendan Rodgers himself, who actually reminds me of a young Benitez, probably more so than his compatriot at the DW stadium does; like Benitez, Rodger’s career was cut short at an early age by injury, so he moved into coach the youth set up at Reading as Rafa had at Real Madrid. They both travelled and studied their craft at some of Europe’s most elite footballing institutions, for Benitez that included Manchester United and AC Milan, for Rodgers’ Barcelona and Ajax. They both then went on to manage at lower league teams where they both experience being sacked for the first time, before later gaining promotion to the top tier of their respective country’s leagues with a rival lower league side. Rafa was then snapped up by Valencia at the age of 41, Brendan Rodgers is 39.

The similarities in career are almost uncanny. In fact when you look at the win percentages of the two side-by-side after their first three clubs, for Rodgers’ his only three, he actually comes out on top with 41.06% to Rafa’s 31.96% of course we should take into account Benitez first two clubs, Real Valladolid and Osasuna were unsuccessful and very short lived with a total of 32 games managed over his time at both clubs, so this would obviously skew the stats a little. If you take Rafa’s first three clubs after his sabbatical; Tenerife, Valencia and Liverpool his win percentage rises to an impressive 54.41% but then that gives Rafa the advantage of having far better players at his disposal. The point here is that there is no significant difference to be made between the two in terms of relative success cross-referenced by experience.

The other day I wrote an article saying that essentially if we are to be successful we all need to pull together and believe in the direction that FSG are taking us. There is however one proviso to this support for our owners. Rafael Benitez is a genius, I don’t believe there is anyone out there that can make such a dramatic impact, in such a short space of time with such a relatively tiny net spend, but he didn’t receive the backing from his board, and in the latter days at Liverpool he also lost some of the dressing room and some of the fans.

I like Brendan Rodgers’ I like his attitude, his philosophy and his emphasis on player character. He’s no Benitez, of course he isn’t he’s Brendan Rodgers; a man with his own character and his own ideas. I think he has the potential to do great things at this club, like his Iberian-scouse counterpart he appears to have insatiable ambition and a clarity of vision, but he cannot succeed without the backing of the board, both in confidence and monetarily, the players and most importantly the fans, as Kristian Walsh said in a recent article on The Anfield Wrap, on the message boards, phone-ins and in the stands, we have to be backing the manager, through the wind and the rain. Brendan Rodgers if he is to succeed will need something his recent predecessors never got, time AND money. Rafael Benitez revolutionising of the club combined with the King’s spending last season has created what I believe to be powerful springboard for the club to launch themselves into a new era, please don’t let us all be flying off in different directions.
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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #1 on: June 1, 2012, 05:03:33 PM »
One thing missing from an otherwise excellent OP; it's time for Rafa to move on (more, perhaps, than for fans), for his sake and ours. I understand he and his family are settled and happy, but he needs to be working. He's far too good to sit unused (and is hardly going to make a second career as a Sky pundit). But it will also be a noose hovering above Rodgers' head to have Rafa sitting unemployed on the Wirral, with a gathering whispering campaign - unbidden by him - every time the team has a couple of disappointing results.
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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #2 on: June 1, 2012, 05:09:22 PM »
One thing missing from an otherwise excellent OP; it's time for Rafa to move on (more, perhaps, than for fans), for his sake and ours. I understand he and his family are settled and happy, but he needs to be working. He's far too good to sit unused (and is hardly going to make a second career as a Sky pundit). But it will also be a noose hovering above Rodgers' head to have Rafa sitting unemployed on the Wirral, with a gathering whispering campaign - unbidden by him - every time the team has a couple of disappointing results.


I think he will. He was holding out for another chance, now that's gone I'm sure he will get back into management. Hopefully in the Premier League, although not at the expense of us ;)
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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #3 on: June 1, 2012, 05:12:32 PM »
Agree about Rafa's expertise but we need to move on now, he should always be respected along with all our great ex managers he is part of our glorious history but not part of our future.

So we need to give Brendan a chance unfettered by the sight of recent managers looking over his shoulders!
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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #4 on: June 1, 2012, 05:15:26 PM »
Redmark makes a good point. Everyone needs to move on, so the focus is on the football. But I am still very sad. Give me a day or two to mourn first...

Excellent first post too. I think it should be stickied for the next couple of weeks at least!

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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #5 on: June 1, 2012, 05:26:09 PM »
I think it's a disgrace that he wasn't even spoken to, if they had spoken to him and decided to go another way then fair enough, but the fact that they opted not to even have a chat boggles me. Especially now, when they seem to have abandoned the structure they cited as a reason not to consider him. They talk about this being year zero, and starting with a clean slate; shame that cretinous parasite Ayre's still there to remind them of the past, the gobshite Purslow Mk.2. Far too much responsibility given to a man who knows fuck all about football.

Definitely time to close the Rafa chapter though, it's not healthy to have him just sitting at home if Brendan doesn't get off to a flyer, and the last thing we can afford to do both as fans and as a club, is not give him the time and faith that being the Liverpool manager should afford you. Hopefully a few years from now, when we're flying in the CL under Brendan, we can come up against a side managed by Rafa and look back fondly on everything the man did both for the club and the city, but until then, it's goodbye.
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« Reply #6 on: June 1, 2012, 05:29:22 PM »
Never really works (going back to an old lover) does it? I think we should all move on. I adore Rafael Benitez but he's consigned to history. Hope this thread is a one off as the last thing Brendan needs is a shadow lurking.

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« Reply #7 on: June 1, 2012, 05:29:48 PM »
I think most fans of Rafa will only "get over" him if and when we eventually win the league :o
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« Reply #8 on: June 1, 2012, 05:32:10 PM »
Rafa was always my wish but I think he's upset too many applecarts

We need to back Rodgers regardless AS he's now our leader.  We don't back him he'll fail and it will lead to another Summer of discontent - we need to give him a chance
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« Reply #9 on: June 1, 2012, 05:33:11 PM »
Words like 'disgrace' are ridiculous. Rafa Benitez has no God given right to this job. If they don't want him, they don't want him. They'll have their reasons. I'm sure they're fully aware what a good manager is.

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« Reply #10 on: June 1, 2012, 05:34:41 PM »
I think most fans of Rafa will only "get over" him if and when we eventually win the league :o

Or Rodgers delivers 2 CL finals, FA cup, euro super cup, charity shield and a team of top notch international in his first 3 seasons

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« Reply #11 on: June 1, 2012, 05:37:04 PM »
Especially now, when they seem to have abandoned the structure they cited as a reason not to consider him. 

Firstly, the structure hasn't been abandoned - at most, it looks like a small tweak, where the manager will not 'report to' a Sporting Director, but the club will employ people to work more collaboratively.

Secondly, the club never cited any reasons for not talking to Rafa; fans surmised some. The 'won't work under a DoF' reason was always a weak one - because he had done so previously. The likelier reasons are, unfortunately, internal politics and, more understandably, a nervousness on the part of the owners in employing another fan favourite after Dalglish. Of course, the owners may also have just been very impressed with Rodgers' approach and vision.

Ultimately it's not FSG's fault that Rafa Benitez is not currently Liverpool manager; that lies with G&H, Purslow and perhaps a section of the Liverpool fans who gave them the excuse that the fanbase was divided.

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« Reply #12 on: June 1, 2012, 05:37:10 PM »
Words like 'disgrace' are ridiculous. Rafa Benitez has no God given right to this job. If they don't want him, they don't want him. They'll have their reasons. I'm sure they're fully aware what a good manager is.
Or Rodgers delivers 2 CL finals, FA cup, euro super cup, charity shield and a team of top notch international in his first 3 seasons

Us Rafa fans know the man was a genius

Sorry I didn't start this thread to get into the same circular arguments, just wanted to highlight once again what the man has done for club and city, on and off the pitch, to say thank you and goodbye. It was easy to hold onto the belief he'd come back one day, maybe even soon when Hodgson was in charge, there also seemed to be an inevitability when Kenny was at the helm, maybe we knew deep down it's not who the owners wanted? but now we have a young ambitious manager that we all need to get behind.
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« Reply #13 on: June 1, 2012, 05:40:47 PM »
Sorry I didn't start this thread to get into the same circular arguments, just wanted to highlight once again what the man has done for club and city, on and off the pitch, to say thank you and goodbye. It was easy to hold onto the belief he'd come back one day, maybe even soon when Hodgson was in charge, there also seemed to be an inevitability when Kenny was at the helm, maybe we knew deep down it's not who the owners wanted? but now we have a young ambitious manager that we all need to get behind.

Spot on but some of our fans need to stop making us 'Rafa fans' sound like we are protective nuts and actually respect the man
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« Reply #14 on: June 1, 2012, 05:45:27 PM »
One thing missing from an otherwise excellent OP; it's time for Rafa to move on (more, perhaps, than for fans), for his sake and ours. I understand he and his family are settled and happy, but he needs to be working. He's far too good to sit unused (and is hardly going to make a second career as a Sky pundit). But it will also be a noose hovering above Rodgers' head to have Rafa sitting unemployed on the Wirral, with a gathering whispering campaign - unbidden by him - every time the team has a couple of disappointing results.

I think this will be the case whether Rafa is employed or unemployed. So many people wanted/pined for Rafa to get the job, myself included. I'm never going to get over the fact that he was driven out of the club. I'm always going to believe he has unfinished business. But the fact remains, Brendan Rodgers is our manager, and needs to be judged on what Brendan Rodgers does for the club.

Words like 'disgrace' are ridiculous. Rafa Benitez has no God given right to this job. If they don't want him, they don't want him. They'll have their reasons. I'm sure they're fully aware what a good manager is.

I dont think 'disgrace' is a ridiculous word to use. If he wasnt approached, then why the fuck not. He's a European Cup winner, a Uefa cup winner, a La Liga winner - twice- and not with Real or Barca. He's available, so no compensation. Every Tom Dick and Harry knows he would have snapped their hands off to take the job. What were FSG looking for if it isnt credentials like that? A young manager? Rafa is only 51/52. Mr. Ferguson is 70 odds. Are they aware of what a good manager is? Well if they are, then why not speak to a manager that has brought success to his last 3 clubs.

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« Reply #15 on: June 1, 2012, 05:49:41 PM »
Still brings back tears when I recall the day when Rafa was sacked. Desperately hoped he will  be back but looks like that was never on the cards.

Rodgers seem to be a very astute signing, and I ardently hope he will lead us to glory - but I doubt I will ever get over the sadness of not seeing Rafa being allowed to finish his project. Maybe if Rafa goes somewhere foreign and does an excellent job then there will be some closure.
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« Reply #16 on: June 1, 2012, 05:50:46 PM »
I'm still coming to terms with this (as impressed as I am with BR so far).  I'll have to block it out of my mind that Rafa's not coming back ever.  It'll be gutting to see him at another PL club but if that's what he wants I wish him all the best.

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« Reply #17 on: June 1, 2012, 05:50:49 PM »
I sincerely hope - and this does not diminish my admiration for him - that Rafa never manages Liverpool again: because I hope that Brendan Rodgers will retire at the age of 65 having won us at least 15 more league titles and 5 Champions Leagues in the next 25 years.

I also hope that Rafa does exceptionally well wherever he chooses to go (personally, I'd prefer it to not be in England :)).
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« Reply #18 on: June 1, 2012, 05:54:23 PM »
I feel desperately sorry for Benitez. He clearly wants to do what is best for his family and stay where they are happy. He was by far my number 1 choice but I hope he can move on and prove the idiots that talk him down wrong. Agree with those who say hopefully not in England though.

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« Reply #19 on: June 1, 2012, 05:56:50 PM »
I think he will. He was holding out for another chance, now that's gone I'm sure he will get back into management. Hopefully in the Premier League, although not at the expense of us ;)
I should hope so also. I hope he finds himself at some top European club. Although I relish welcoming him back at anfield in Europe so I can pay my respects to the little smiling genius, is be dreading it also as I know how bloody good he and his team will be

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« Reply #20 on: June 1, 2012, 05:58:00 PM »
Not much to add really, very good OP. It's all a bit hard to accept isn't it?

Rodgers looks like a good manager and I'm pleased with how the club are progressing, but when you take a second to realise they didn't even speak to the Rafa you quickly become disillusioned. What makes it a bit harder to take is without Ayre being at the club I honestly believe Rafa would be here now, it actually makes me feel sick that people who aren't 'football people' are having a strong input into the future of our club. No one remembers the people in the board room, they don't leave legacies, they should be signing cheques and picking the best man for the job.

I feel gutted for Rafa, I can't imagine what he must be feeling. I'm sure he'll manage in the Premier League next, and although he won't be on the Wirral any more I'm worried that if results start going bad for Rodgers then people will start pushing Rafa again regardless.
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« Reply #21 on: June 1, 2012, 05:59:20 PM »
Never really works (going back to an old lover) does it? I think we should all move on. I adore Rafael Benitez but he's consigned to history. Hope this thread is a one off as the last thing Brendan needs is a shadow lurking.
its not exactly a good comparison tho, he is more like the lover that was taken away against either parties wishes

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« Reply #22 on: June 1, 2012, 06:03:40 PM »
I wanted Rafa back as well however FSG may have decided to pass on him after looking at his history of fighting with his board at Valencia and Inter as well as at Liverpool despite the fact the G&H were screwing him and the club.  They may have not wanted to have the potential issue.  Also, there may be some internal issue at the club with other people still there that they wanted to move on from.

That is all just guessing but if I take off my Rafa tinted glasses I can understand why FSG may have been reluctant.

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« Reply #23 on: June 1, 2012, 06:04:20 PM »
Agree about Rafa's expertise but we need to move on now,

I agree with this. I've long been an admirer of Rafa. I never wanted him sacked in the first place. I've defended him to the hilt on here and even at the ground too. I was as vociferous as anyone as to why he should be brought back. But its time to let go now. Its not going to happen. Hurts me to say it, but its the harsh truth. The best thing to do now IMO is get right behind Rodgers and lets all start a new chapter

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« Reply #24 on: June 1, 2012, 06:06:19 PM »
I am sad on two counts. First and foremost that Kenny was not given another year. Secondly, that in looking for his replacement our owners did not bother to contact Rafa. I guess they feel that there is always a danger for them where the fans passionately empathise with the manager as much, if not more in the case of KK and RB, than the players.

We have to move on...I know little about Brendan Rodgers other than his side probably played the best football of any team visiting Anfield last season.  I hope he is given time by the Board and us fans alike. His comments today in accepting the job seem to suggest that he realises how important it is that he is appreciative of the Liverpool way.
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« Reply #25 on: June 1, 2012, 06:06:32 PM »
I am still sad for Rafa and I wonder how he must be feeling after all this.

I hope he gets back in a manager position as soon as possible and gets the credit he deserves.


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« Reply #26 on: June 1, 2012, 06:06:38 PM »
Yeah think many of us yearned to have Rafa back at the helm but like the OP says there are a lot of similarities between the two. The more I read about are new boss the more confidence I get in him.
As for Rafa, he's a very rich man, sure he's a lovely life on the Wirrel and when the right job comes along he'll probably take it, cause he's got football running through his veins.
Really hope its abroad though, don't want the British media's xenophobia to be able to effect him again and couldn't bear watching him in the oppo dug out at somewhere like fucking Villa!
Love to see him get Real Madrid once they sack Maureen.
But its time for us to move on and be a united support again. Hope Rodgers hits the ground running and gets the best out of Kenny's buys from last year cause their all capable of better(except Suarez) and deep down most must know they let a lot of people down.
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Re: Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #27 on: June 1, 2012, 06:07:21 PM »
its not exactly a good comparison tho, he is more like the lover that was taken away against either parties wishes

This.

I honestly hope for our sakes, for Brendan's sake, and for his own sake Rafa gets a top job soon...Don't see it happening in the premiership though, maybe Spain/France/Germany?

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« Reply #28 on: June 1, 2012, 06:08:30 PM »
they seem to have abandoned the structure they cited as a reason not to consider him.

This is a myth that seems to be building up and should be stepped on. Ayre said in an interview last week that he didn't want a classic DoF, and that instead the position would be divided between 2 or 3 people. This is exactly what was confirmed today.

The other myth is that FSG didn't speak to Rafa because he wouldn't work under their structure. Where has this ever been stated? If Rafa wasn't spoken to (we don't even know that for sure) then there could have been other reasons.

I hope this thread can close the Rafa chapter of our history (as great as it was) and that some of the more maudlin posters on here can get past it and focus on our future under Rodgers.

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« Reply #29 on: June 1, 2012, 06:09:22 PM »
I feel desperately sorry for Benitez. He clearly wants to do what is best for his family and stay where they are happy. He was by far my number 1 choice but I hope he can move on and prove the idiots that talk him down wrong. Agree with those who say hopefully not in England though.

This, not sure I could bear to see him at another English club - and don't want to see him harangued by the media here either.
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« Reply #30 on: June 1, 2012, 06:10:05 PM »
The door really is closed for rafa, and he is now just a memory at the club. Either Brendan Rodgers is going to make one hell of a name for himself or our club is finished if he fails here. There is no middle ground for us, never has been, never will.

It's difficult to accepy closure on Rafa because he never got to finish the job he started, he gave us once in a generation moments but it's over now. Time for us to move on. Time for us to accept we a very different club to the one rafa left.


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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #31 on: June 1, 2012, 06:13:31 PM »
I'm delusionaly holding out for them to unveil our new dof (whatever it's called) as Rafa. Gutted he wasn't given the courtesy by the owners of being asked about the managers job. Wish him all the bet and certain don't want him back in the prem because I'd want him back even more.

I see the comparisons between RB and BR (not just the initials) they seem cut from the same cloth and I hope that BR reaches the heights the Rafa wanted for our club. Always be my Shanks as I'm only 29 and he'll always be a legend. Roll on BRod
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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #32 on: June 1, 2012, 06:15:51 PM »
Good OP.

I hope Rafa takes on a project he deserves.He's been messed around at valencia and by H&G.I firmly believe had Rafa decent owners behind him here we would have a title or two extra in the bag.Some people just couldn't see that priest in that mountain of sugar.Now the time has most definately passed and we begin a new era.Despite my reservations about fenway im behind Brendan Rodgers 100% because thats what we do.Support our manager until such time he makes us think otherwise.
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« Reply #33 on: June 1, 2012, 06:16:12 PM »
I'm delusionaly holding out for them to unveil our new dof (whatever it's called) as Rafa. Gutted he wasn't given the courtesy by the owners of being asked about the managers job. Wish him all the bet and certain don't want him back in the prem because I'd want him back even more.

I see the comparisons between RB and BR (not just the initials) they seem cut from the same cloth and I hope that BR reaches the heights the Rafa wanted for our club. Always be my Shanks as I'm only 29 and he'll always be a legend. Roll on BRod

Please don't do that to yourself mate.  And as you know we're not getting a DoF and we really wouldn't want anyone undermining BR.

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« Reply #34 on: June 1, 2012, 06:18:28 PM »
This, not sure I could bear to see him at another English club - and don't want to see him harangued by the media here either.

Yep I had second thoughts about him coming here because it would just be the same old fights with the same old people. He would be a frightening prospect though if Mancini ever got into difficulties at the Etihad. He does need to go back into football soon though.

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Re: Goodbye and Good Luck RB. Welcome and Good Luck BR
« Reply #35 on: June 1, 2012, 06:18:45 PM »
shit happens.thats life.

i love the man and there will always be the feeling of unfinished business.

but it's time to move on,for his sake and ours.

i hope he goes to spain or italy and decimates the league there.

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« Reply #36 on: June 1, 2012, 06:24:28 PM »
One thing missing from an otherwise excellent OP; it's time for Rafa to move on (more, perhaps, than for fans), for his sake and ours. I understand he and his family are settled and happy, but he needs to be working.



Don't think we or anyone else can call out for Rafa 'to move on'.  His family regards the local area as home now, as is their right, and they are welcomed warmly.  I know that's not what you 're getting at; professionally Rafa's talents are too great to not see him get back into the game, but that may not see him leaving the area any time soon. 

Besides, it's the circumstances behind both Rafa's and Kenny's departures that is more likely to see them cast a cloud over Anfield for some time to come, not their physical location.  I can't see Rafa or Kenny appearing at Anfield ever again (other than perhaps at the behest of the Hillsborough Famililies at the anniversary ceremonies).  That's wrong on just about every level.

But support our new manager and team, we definitely will. 

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« Reply #37 on: June 1, 2012, 06:30:45 PM »
I think most fans of Rafa will only "get over" him if and when we eventually win the league :o

Not necessarily the league, but it will take a lot of success for me.  Just being honest, but I'm not a big fan of FSG for refusing to consider him and I've developed an irrational hatred of Ayre over it.  There's just no logical reason for ignoring Rafa if their number one concern was for the club.  It reeks of a different agenda.  I'm trying my damnedest to not let that cloud my feelings over Rodgers because it's not his fault. 

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« Reply #38 on: June 1, 2012, 06:37:55 PM »
I can understand the Rafa lovers being upset that he hasn't been given a 2nd chance.  Especially after he's said he'd love to finish what he'd started.

But what I con't understand is why you're all hurting now, afresh, as though it was nailed on he would get it.  The owners said months and months ago that they wouldn't have him back.  Why everyone's hopes were so high, I just don't know.  He was a non-runner as far as this race was concerned and I never thought for one second that he would be considered. 

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« Reply #39 on: June 1, 2012, 06:39:14 PM »
The owners said months and months ago that they wouldn't have him back.
No they didn't
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