Topic: Aquilani

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

Haha, yes. Me.

What do you class as consistently, both Juve and Milan only gave him enough games so as not to trigger the buying clause, which I believe was a round 25 in both cases.

[NOTBORNIN1982]

Erm, what? He was our best player during the pre-season last year and had a public argument with Comolli. It was nothing to do with not being good enough.

Also, I'm sick of people using the injury stick to beat him with when he's played more games than Gerrard over the past 2 seasons. Just because we signed him when he was crocked, doesn't mean he's a perma-crock.

Seriously, some of you shouldn't even be allowed to talk about him if you've not even watched him the past two years.

Why are you defending a player who's lacked any sort of commitment to us. He's a bad tit and wish he would get the fuck off the wage bill.

He was clearly good enough to be a starter but he chose to go back to Italy.

[Zeb]

Also, I'm sick of people using the injury stick to beat him with when he's played more games than Gerrard over the past 2 seasons. Just because we signed him when he was crocked, doesn't mean he's a perma-crock.

Seriously, some of you shouldn't even be allowed to talk about him if you've not even watched him the past two years.

You're trying too hard. Gerrard had a career threatening injury. Aquilani had his first ever season without a substantial lay off since his full debut season for Roma and a season where he missed a couple months with 'an ankle knock'. And the sum total of that was Aquilani played the equivalent of 10 full 90 minutes more. This is not a comparison which you want to be making if you're arguing that Aquilani is somehow a reliable option.

[Grobbelrevell]

Not just for our own good though but for the good of football in general. Players need to know that signing a contract means something, and legally it still does and until that changes we hold all the cards he has two years left on his contract. He stays and plays. That's all there is too it, if he shines then he may get the much wanted move away, use Xabi as an example. Touted around for Ģ16m no one wants to buy, has one terrific season and he's wanted all over Europe, and the quote unquote biggest club in the world come in for him for Ģ30m.

I can't argue with any of that. Spot on.

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

You're trying too hard. Gerrard had a career threatening injury. Aquilani had his first ever season without a substantial lay off since his full debut season for Roma and a season where he missed a couple months with 'an ankle knock'. And the sum total of that was Aquilani played the equivalent of 10 full 90 minutes more. This is not a comparison which you want to be making if you're arguing that Aquilani is somehow a reliable option.

Would he have perhaps played more if there wasn't a 25 game ceiling on the loan deal?

[TLW 84]

I'm astonished anyone can suggest he wants to ay for us, his actions, or lack thereof, speak volumes.

Talented footballer he may well be but he'd never run through a brick wall for this club (maybe not for any club).

I want him gone & off the balance sheet. Time to cut losses & move on.

You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear, which is what this situation is. Let's say goodbye to Aquilani.

[Grobbelrevell]

Would he have perhaps played more if there wasn't a 25 game ceiling on the loan deal?

Quite clearly yes. He was playing regularly for Milan - until he reached 24.5 (point fucking five!) appearances, at which point (with abou ten games still remaining) he didn't appear again at all, which was clearly a tactical decision to avoid triggering the buyout clause and nothing at all to do with his fitness or ability.

[Zeb]

Would he have perhaps played more if there was a 25 game ceiling on the loan deal?

If he'd shown the form he'd shown late last autumn when he returned from injury, I doubt that Milan would be the only team willing to accept him if he cuts his wages by 50% and goes on a free or minimal transfer fee. Comparing him to a crocked Gerrard as somehow a benchmark of reliability remains ludicrous whichever way it's cut.

[Matt8Pie]

What do you class as consistently, both Juve and Milan only gave him enough games so as not to trigger the buying clause, which I believe was a round 25 in both cases.

I made a post about him before, I can't remember when saying what he brings to the team and how he had been performing. I'm about to head off to work but I'll hunt for it tonight when I get in.

[vicgill]

I'm astonished anyone can suggest he wants to ay for us, his actions, or lack thereof, speak volumes.

Talented footballer he may well be but he'd never run through a brick wall for this club (maybe not for any club).

I want him gone & off the balance sheet. Time to cut losses & move on.

Oh dear, those days are long gone
 
Of course cut him off the balance sheet if you wish but what will you say or do if our new manager wants to keep him.
 
I donīt object to you playing football manager but please donīt think itīs real

[Sangria]

Two questions we'd need to ask.

1. If we held Aquilani to his contract would he be a first team regular if fit.
2. Who could we get for Ģ3m to replace him.
3. What does it look like to the rest of the world when we constantly get shafted by other clubs, on both sides of transfer deals.

Summarised right there.

[Il Capitano]

Seriously, some of you shouldn't even be allowed to talk about him if you've not even watched him the past two years.

[sattapaal]

This is saddening, any sources to all this speculation? Shall we move this to the transfer forum?

[J-Mc-]

This is saddening, any sources to all this speculation? Shall we move this to the transfer forum?

Some italian paper is the source I think.

Either way, it's all bollocks until it's on the official site, same way it was all bollocks about rodgers until it was on the official site.

Patience.

[RyanBabel19]

This is saddening, any sources to all this speculation? Shall we move this to the transfer forum?

the source for the 'Aquilani wants to go on a free' stuff is Corriere dello sport and the source of the 3 million stuff is apparently talksport.

I cant believe Klopp is allowing this, ridiculous, fits his system so well

[Sangria]

What do you class as consistently, both Juve and Milan only gave him enough games so as not to trigger the buying clause, which I believe was a round 25 in both cases.

Milan had a 25 game clause which they closed out at 23.5. Juve didn't have any such clause but Aquilani was cup-tied for Europe, so they played him in every game he was eligible for, which was every game bar 1 where he was injured. In both cases they wringed every drop of usage out of him without committing themselves. I only wish we were as nousy, rather than insisting on screwing ourselves at every opportunity. I'll go spare if we buy an attacking LB for a goodly amount of money, a season after letting Insua go for free.

[Mashy-rawr!nooo]

Aqua is like an EX-GF on here.

Complete fool,uses us and takes our money. despite that we'd all like to play with him for 90 minutes or more.

[Wilmo]

Don't understand how people can still defend this guy and want the club to chase after him.

It's simple, if he wants to play at Liverpool, he will. We bought him whilst injured, maligned and for a disproportionate price and invested a lot of faith and belief in him. If at any stage in these series of farcical loans and news reports he had wanted - truly wanted - to stay and play for Liverpool, he would have done. He is contracted to us and we pay his wages. If he resolved to play for us, he would.

[Zimlfc]

Don't understand how people can still defend this guy and want the club to chase after him.

It's simple, if he wants to play at Liverpool, he will. We bought him whilst injured, maligned and for a disproportionate price and invested a lot of faith and belief in him. If at any stage in these series of farcical loans and news reports he had wanted - truly wanted - to stay and play for Liverpool, he would have done. He is contracted to us and we pay his wages. If he resolved to play for us, he would.

This sums it up ....

[carling]

What are we going to do without Aquilani on the books?

I remember a couple of seasons ago I had quite a strong opinion about him.  His cameos were the best part of the 09/10 season.

But after over 2 years of reading page after page of garbage I don't think I could give the slightest fuck where he ends up. 

If it somehow turns out he is going to wear a red shirt again then great I'll get behind him.  Until then I couldn't care less.  And if he fucks off I couldn't care less.

[Anywhichwayucan]

Aqua is like an EX-GF on here.

Complete fool,uses us and takes our money. despite that we'd all like to play with him for 90 minutes or more.

AC and Juve are like the head cheerleader, and Liverpool Football Club, are the pimple faced hermit. She flutters her lashes, waves her pom poms and blows us a kiss, but ends up going to prom, with the Quarterback.

[The Grinch]

You're trying too hard. Gerrard had a career threatening injury. Aquilani had his first ever season without a substantial lay off since his full debut season for Roma and a season where he missed a couple months with 'an ankle knock'. And the sum total of that was Aquilani played the equivalent of 10 full 90 minutes more. This is not a comparison which you want to be making if you're arguing that Aquilani is somehow a reliable option.

Aquilani has missed very few games through injury since coming back from injury in Oct 2009 he has had one significant injury in over two and a half years. You simply cannot make the same argument for Gerrard.

[farawayred]

Two questions we'd need to ask.

1. If we held Aquilani to his contract would he be a first team regular if fit.
2. Who could we get for Ģ3m to replace him.
3. What does it look like to the rest of the world when we constantly get shafted by other clubs, on both sides of transfer deals.

In case someone hasn't read this post at least twice and thought about it three times, here it is again.

[Mashy-rawr!nooo]

AC and Juve are like the head cheerleader, and Liverpool Football Club, are the pimple faced hermit. She flutters her lashes, waves her pom poms and blows us a kiss, but ends up going to prom, with the Quarterback.

I take it Aqua is the girl in your avatar?

[farawayred]

AC and Juve are like the head cheerleader, and Liverpool Football Club, are the pimple faced hermit. She flutters her lashes, waves her pom poms and blows us a kiss, but ends up going to prom, with the Quarterback.

To follow up on that (literally!) gorgeous analogy, She didn't go to the prom (Euros). So it's time for the pimple-faced hermit to show his balls and tell her that the he holds the only ticket to the prom. And if she refuses, she can wave her pom poms in the Sunday league.

[Wingman]

Quite clearly yes. He was playing regularly for Milan - until he reached 24.5 (point fucking five!) appearances, at which point (with abou ten games still remaining) he didn't appear again at all, which was clearly a tactical decision to avoid triggering the buyout clause and nothing at all to do with his fitness or ability.

... and why didn't they? If they wanted him, for just Ģ5m, then they could have made sure it

[Anywhichwayucan]

... and why didn't they? If they wanted him, for just Ģ5m, then they could have made sure it

If you go to a car boot sale, do you offer face value, or do you negotiate?

[Redeo]

both Juve and Milan only gave him enough games so as not to trigger the buying clause, which I believe was a round 25 in both cases.

Italian job, I tell you!

[Redeo]

To follow up on that (literally!) gorgeous analogy, She didn't go to the prom (Euros). So it's time for the pimple-faced hermit to show his balls and tell her that the he holds the only ticket to the prom. And if she refuses, she can wave her pom poms in the Sunday league.

... while pimple-faced hermit pay's her wages?

[farawayred]

... while pimple-faced hermit pay's her wages?

Sure.

[Red Eyed]

We fail in the transfer market

[NOTBORNIN1982]

How can anyone defend this tit? All he's done is milk the fucking club! Fuck him off! Fucking wet blanket.

[Anywhichwayucan]

How can anyone defend this tit? All he's done is milk the fucking club! Fuck him off! Fucking wet blanket.

He hasn't milked anyone. The club were under zero obligation to loan him out for two seasons, it was our own fault for being weak in negotiations.

[Wingman]

If you go to a car boot sale, do you offer face value, or do you negotiate?

The negotiating was done last year.

[farawayred]

How can anyone defend this tit? All he's done is milk the fucking club! Fuck him off! Fucking wet blanket.

This sounds backwards somehow...   

[Anywhichwayucan]

The negotiating was done last year.

Yeah, and we negotiated poorly. As a result, Milan are now chancing their arm, and are trying to secure a cheaper deal.

[The Bill Hicks Appreciation Society]

Two questions we'd need to ask.

1. If we held Aquilani to his contract would he be a first team regular if fit.
2. Who could we get for Ģ3m to replace him.
3. What does it look like to the rest of the world when we constantly get shafted by other clubs, on both sides of transfer deals.

can't believe no-one pointed out that was 3 questions

[Hazell]

can't believe no-one pointed out that was 3 questions

Given you're a newbie with only 375 posts, we thought we'd go easy on you.

[Cusamano]

Why do we fail so badly at simple things.

[Mal]

Oh dear, those days are long gone
 
Of course cut him off the balance sheet if you wish but what will you say or do if our new manager wants to keep him.
 
I donīt object to you playing football manager but please donīt think itīs real

Vic, I never have (& never will) play football manager.

I just want the players to put in every ounce of effort they can, I'm sure you do too. It doesn't seem a coincidence that successive LFC managers have allowed him to go out on loan, if he really wanted to play for LFC he has the talent to do so, so I reach the conclusion that he doesn't want to live or work in the uk

I don't believe the days of players trying hard are gone, & judging by his press conference I'm sure that Brendan Rodgers agrees that effort & a desire to represent the club & the city to the best of your abilities is a minimum requirement.

IF Aquliani changes his attitude & demonstrates a determined desire to play every week for LFC at a consistently high level then fine, but given the past two loans I'm not expecting him to stay.